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Old 08-23-2017, 04:46 PM   #21
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Wasn't there a big fiasco about Whedon equating a sterile woman to a "monster" in the last Avengers movie that made him delete his Twitter and all after all the backlash? It still went on to make $1.4 billion dollars and is the second highest grossing MCU movie behind only the first Avengers.

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Old 08-23-2017, 04:54 PM   #22
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I'm not shocked by this, to be honest. I never really thought Joss Whedon was a feminist anyway as evidenced by the way the character of Cordelia Chase was written towards the end of the tv show Angel. I still have no problem being a fan of his work, though.
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Old 08-23-2017, 05:23 PM   #23
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Old 08-23-2017, 05:27 PM   #24
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There's being tempted, there's following through on that temptation, and then there's blaming the temptation for the fall.
Again, I think the line gets blurry here... If you say "It was the temptation that made me do it!" aren't you technically blaming yourself by saying "I was weaker than the temptation"? It's bit of a circular way of thinking...

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This isn't cheating.
Didn't say it was; merely stressing how common the lifestyle of having multiple partners in the film industry is.

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Begin? People have been doing this from damn near day one.
The guy is very fond of his tropes, and there are folks who are very VERY vocal about not liking those tropes.
Sorry, yeah, I meant his newly detached fanbase following this news. I know he's always had his haters.

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It's my understanding that Whedonesque was beginning to wind down anyway, and this just cut that wind-down shorter.
Ah, okay. I don't visit the site so I had no idea

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Finding out this guy is a douche in his personal life might give me pause, or it might taint things of his that I love...but I'll still likely watch what he makes.
I think there was a thread about this not too long ago... I generally conceded that unless there was an occurrence that was personally targeted against me, I have no problem consuming art or entertainment from whatever source it comes. A favourite youtuber of mine, Passion of the Nerd, posted this and pretty much sums up my feelings...
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I am of the belief that art, once it's shared, no longer belongs to the artist and is its own thing. I don't think any of what has come to light tarnishes Buffy, Angel, or Firefly and I try and stay out of news relating to celebrities personal lives. But like it or not, some of the complexity and nuance to Buffy is probably there BECAUSE Joss is a flawed and complicated individual.
Especially in the case of Whedon, where things like television and film have so many hands involved in the creative process.
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Old 08-23-2017, 05:42 PM   #25
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Again, I think the line gets blurry here... If you say "It was the temptation that made me do it!" aren't you technically blaming yourself by saying "I was weaker than the temptation"? It's bit of a circular way of thinking...
At the end of the day it's just semantics, but to me blaming the temptation is like saying one had no control.
One has control, one just decided not to heed it.
It's...cowardly passing of the buck.

I'd expect better from a guy who's really vocal about being against the whole, "Guys just don't have self control. Amirite?" thing.

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Didn't say it was; merely stressing how common the lifestyle of having multiple partners in the film industry is.
It's not just the film industry, but I catch your meaning.
The issue here isn't that he wanted to sleep around, it's that his committed lifepartner didn't give consent.

At very least that's a betrayal of trust, at most...he literally put her life in danger.


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I think there was a thread about this not too long ago... I generally conceded that unless there was an occurrence that was personally targeted against me, I have no problem consuming art or entertainment from whatever source it comes. A favourite youtuber of mine, Passion of the Nerd, posted this and pretty much sums up my feelings...

Especially in the case of Whedon, where things like television and film have so many hands involved in the creative process.
For me it's a matter of money.
Do I want my money going into the pocket of someone I find abhorrent?
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A lot just get older and older and angrier and angrier, all the while waiting for the world to bend to their whim, never, ever really being satisfied with any of the "victories" achieved at large and wondering why no one outside of whatever construct bubble they've placed themself [sic] (look, I did it!) in wants to mess with them.
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Old 08-23-2017, 05:54 PM   #26
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At the end of the day it's just semantics, but to me blaming the temptation is like saying one had no control.
One has control, one just decided not to heed it.
It's...cowardly passing of the buck.
All fair points. Well said.
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For me it's a matter of money.
Do I want my money going into the pocket of someone I find abhorrent?
I can understand that reservation. But again, when speaking in terms of film or television where Joss doesn't get nearly every nickel and dime when someone buys a Buffy boxset, would you condemn the other producers and distributors by association?

I suppose there's always...
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Old 08-23-2017, 06:07 PM   #27
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I can understand that reservation. But again, when speaking in terms of film or television where Joss doesn't get nearly every nickel and dime when someone buys a Buffy boxset, would you condemn the other producers and distributors by association?

I suppose there's always...
HA! That or the library. Or a streaming service.
Or....you could be like me old enough to already have all of Buffy, Angel, and Firefly on dvd.
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Old 08-24-2017, 10:00 AM   #28
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I'd also like to say that if Whedonesque is shutting down because it's owner's opinion on the man changed overnight then that's hilariously sad.
I read a bit of the comments section and the site's admin said there had been a plan to close the site for sometime, they just picked this incident to speed up the process.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:02 PM   #29
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Respect the creations, but remember that the creators are only human. And like many humans, they can often be assholes.

I met one of Marvel's top current writers when I was in college (not saying his name for the sake of not being petty) after inhaling a lot of stuff he did for DC during my childhood and early adolescence. He was a real dick in person, and
I got a strong vibe of elitism from him. It was kind of ironic to see him post a lot of SJW-oriented attacks directed towards various people on Twitter not too long after.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:04 PM   #30
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Respect the creations, but remember that the creators are only human. And like many humans, they can often be assholes.

I met one of Marvel's top current writers when I was in college (not saying his name for the sake of not being petty) after inhaling a lot of stuff he did for DC during my childhood and early adolescence. He was a real dick in person, and
I got a strong vibe of elitism from him. It was kind of ironic to see him post a lot of SJW-oriented attacks directed towards various people on Twitter not too long after.
Is it Dan Slott? I bet it's Dan Slott.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:09 PM   #31
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Is it Dan Slott? I bet it's Dan Slott.
No, it wasn't him.

PM me if you really want the details.

I don't care for Slott's Spider-Man, and I know a lot of people can't stand his Twitter interactions with fans, but his She-Hulk was all right.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:48 PM   #32
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Wasn't there a big fiasco about Whedon equating a sterile woman to a "monster" in the last Avengers movie that made him delete his Twitter and all after all the backlash?
It was typical SJWs typically taking words from context.
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Translation: people had a different opinion than me.
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