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4Kids (Turtles Forever) 16 45.71%
Nick (TransDimensional Turtles, Wanted Bebop and Rocksteady) 19 54.29%
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Old 09-13-2017, 09:11 PM   #1
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Turtles Forever vs the Nick crossovers

There was a thread like this before titled TransDimensional Turtles vs Turtles Forever but I'd be interested to see what people think when comparing Turtles Forever and all of the Nick crossovers overall, both equalling 1 hour, 20 minutes in total so its a more fair comparison.
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Old 09-13-2017, 11:49 PM   #2
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Nick hands down. Just better overall. Likely because the OT VOs were actually involved
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Old 09-14-2017, 04:03 AM   #3
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Nick.

The disrespectful pigs that made Turtles Forever can burn in the abyss forgotten for all time.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:46 AM   #4
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Nick's portrayal was not "perfect" with the FW Turtles but it was closer to 80-85 % rather than the 30% or so from Turtles Forever. Probably one of the biggest issues I had with the recent crossover was the Turtles highly reluctant to use their weapons on the Foot Soldiers. The FW's had no problems slicing and dicing those robots. Another issue, is they had trouble with basic "training". They were NOT slackers(not usually anyway). Splinter would not have allowed that to go on for too long.
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:01 AM   #5
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Just in terms of writing? Turtles Forever. It tied into the main storyline, Ch'rell had a clear goal, you felt more tension and you didn't go away from it feeling like it was a waste of time.

The Nick crossover are kind of forgettable and pointless, I could barely remember anything from the second one a few hours after I watched it. The first one breaks the flow of the space arc and is just kind of bizarre to watch, while the second one feels like it's at least 60% filler, pretty boring. Ironically the only parts I like about them are when they poke holes in the FW cartoon, which is about the only criticism some people here seems to have. Also, I don't think it was more "respectful" in any way, the FW character were still depicted as dumb and incompetent.

I've said my piece on the "insults" before, I just don't care if they were insulting (which I don't think they were, it's an exaggeration to say they were). The Fred Wolf cartoon is just another crappy kids' show from the 80's and no, boosting the popularity of the characters is not enough to earn it respect.
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:59 AM   #6
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Nick.

The disrespectful pigs that made Turtles Forever can burn in the abyss forgotten for all time.
You said it!

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Also, I don't think it was more "respectful" in any way, the FW character were still depicted as dumb and incompetent.
Whatever you say pal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4soeXHbSfGs&t=1s

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The Fred Wolf cartoon is just another crappy kids' show from the 80's and no, boosting the popularity of the characters is not enough to earn it respect.


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Putting aside being a fan of the series, I think of it as the best quality kids' show that started in the 80's.
The production and writing was I would say B level which is pretty damned good still.

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Old 09-14-2017, 09:02 AM   #7
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The Fred Wolf cartoon is just another crappy kids' show from the 80's and no, boosting the popularity of the characters is not enough to earn it respect.
Putting aside being a fan of the series, I think of it as the best quality kids' show that started in the 80's.
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Putting aside being a fan of the series, I think of it as the best quality kids' show that started in the 80's.
Not a very high bar...

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JThe Fred Wolf cartoon is just another crappy kids' show from the 80's and no, boosting the popularity of the characters is not enough to earn it respect.
sigh..smh...
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:19 AM   #10
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Turtles Forever. Other than having the original voice actors, Nick's second crossover didn't give the OT turtles any better treatment.

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The disrespectful pigs that made Turtles Forever can burn in the abyss forgotten for all time.
Really dude, what is wrong with you?
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:21 AM   #11
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Turtles Forever was awesome.

they just needed to characterize the 80s turtles a bit better and get the original voice actors. would have been epic with a redub.
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Putting aside being a fan of the series, I think of it as the best quality kids' show that started in the 80's.
Compared to the average kid cartoons today? FW TMNT is like Casablanca.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:30 PM   #13
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The vote seems to be far more evenly split this time while in the previous thread, it was about 60/40.

I'll admit, I like Turtles Forever more as a movie in general but as a tmnt fan looking for a tmnt crossover, I'd take the Nick ones anyday.

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Old 09-14-2017, 12:36 PM   #14
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I feel like it gave the OT Turtles just a little more dignity, personally. Sure, it did the "physics works differently in the other universe" thing, and the nervousness about being violent was more a jab at the parenting climate at the time.

So that made OT Leonardo's first taste of "actual" violence a lot more fun.

The Space Heroes discussion was pretty funny, when they say it's "live action" in the other universe and I'm just...trying to imagine what that means for them.
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The disrespectful pigs that made Turtles Forever can burn in the abyss forgotten for all time.


Anyways, I would rather watch Turtles Forever. The Nick crossover is too stupid, even for me.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:40 PM   #16
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Turtles Forever. Other than having the original voice actors, Nick's second crossover didn't give the OT turtles any better treatment.
This.

I've given people crap about their Turtles Forever whining, but at least you knew what you were getting up front with that. Nick gave us a good crossover episode with competent turtles, & then completely retconned them to useless idiots in the second one. They lose major points for that. Having the original voice cast made them very enjoyable all the same, but season 5's 3 parter left a bad taste in my mouth.

Turtle's forever has super high stakes, gave the Mirage turtles their first animated appearance, & was just overall more enjoyable for me.
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This.

I've given people crap about their Turtles Forever whining, but at least you knew what you were getting up front with that. Nick gave us a good crossover episode with competent turtles, & then completely retconned them to useless idiots in the second one. They lose major points for that. Having the original voice cast made them very enjoyable all the same, but season 5's 3 parter left a bad taste in my mouth.

Turtle's forever has super high stakes, gave the Mirage turtles their first animated appearance, & was just overall more enjoyable for me.
I guess they are willing to accept any portrayal of FW Leo if he's voiced by Cam Clarke? I mostly just think of Clarke as the guy who spouted nonsense about genetic engineering and war for 10 minutes so I don't care who's voice it is.
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I guess they are willing to accept any portrayal of FW Leo if he's voiced by Cam Clarke? I mostly just think of Clarke as the guy who spouted nonsense about genetic engineering and war for 10 minutes so I don't care who's voice it is.
Not me with the amount of complaints I had about OT Leonardo in my review of the special.
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Turtles Forever. Other than having the original voice actors, Nick's second crossover didn't give the OT turtles any better treatment.:
Agreed. I thought Nick's first crossover was decent but didn't care much for the second one. Turtles Forever was better overall even though it had its own problems.
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