Turtles Forever vs the Nick crossovers - Page 2

*pferreira* · 09-14-2017, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Compared to the average kid cartoons today? FW TMNT is like Casablanca.

It's a B list cartoon so it stacks up pretty good to today's stuff which isn't that great anyway.

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Not a very high bar...

You're using one of the worst cartoons of the 80s as a comparison??? Watch more 80s cartoons!

*CyberCubed* · 09-14-2017, 06:08 PM

They were both good, but Turtles Forever being the overall finale of the 2k3 series with Ch'rell returning and giving that series a proper ending makes me choose it. The Nick crossovers were fun too, no real complaints.

Everyone needs to get their heads examined when the say the Turtles were too incompetent at fighting. I've marathoned the original cartoon many times, have probably seen every episode 10 times or more, and the Turtles were never that good at fighting in the old show. Even in their most "competent" seasons, like Season 1, 7 or 8, etc. So it's an accurate portrayal when they go up against truly strong opponents.

*Ninturtle* · 09-14-2017, 07:23 PM

I prefer Nick's portrayal of the FW turtles but prefer TF overall. I though the Wanted Bebop and Rocksteady special was one of the funniest episodes in a while, but the relevance of TF to 4kids story and the fact that it was the finale to the 2k3 series gives it the slight edge.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 09-15-2017, 03:10 AM

I've watched the 2nd crossover about 3 times now over the course of the last few days and I have to admit, I'm coming to like and appreciate it more every time.

Its pairs pretty well with TransDimensional Turtles played before it, and unlike many here, I think it actually pays alot of love and respect to the Original Toon Turtles.

Ulisa · 09-15-2017, 10:40 AM

I really dunno if I can pick between them honestly. They all have flaws and strengths and what I despise about one, I love about the other. They seem like they have opposite pros and cons:

Turtles Forever--Excellent plot but poor character interaction(namely due to misrepresentation of the FW Turtles
NICK Crossovers--Lackluster plot but much improved character interactions

Neither one is perfect but I can enjoy each for different reasons. I guess I'd end up saying Turtles Forever because I can head-canon reasons why the FW Turtles ended up acting like they did but the NICK Crossovers introduce a lot of ideas that I just don't think mesh with the OT timeline.

That being said though, both are a lot of fun to watch!

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 09-17-2017, 04:58 AM

I wish Transdimensional Turtles was at least a double-episode, giving more time for more explaination than just jumping between realities.

*pferreira* · 09-21-2017, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Everyone needs to get their heads examined when the say the Turtles were too incompetent at fighting. I've marathoned the original cartoon many times, have probably seen every episode 10 times or more, and the Turtles were never that good at fighting in the old show. Even in their most "competent" seasons, like Season 1, 7 or 8, etc. So it's an accurate portrayal when they go up against truly strong opponents.

Nah, Turtles Forever was not an accurate portrayal of them. From having watched episodes as well yeah they could mess up (to sometimes hilarious consequences) but they were at least still competent crime fighters, getting the job done. What you're saying is selling themselves short.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 09-21-2017, 12:16 PM

Even in the 2nd Nick Crossover, they competently fight just like their Nick counterparts halfway into the episode, initially having problems with the fighting style but adapting and having the correct personalities, something that Turtles Forever lacked.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 09-21-2017, 12:54 PM

Is this some kind of record for bringing back a specific fictional universe years after it ended?

*Powder* · 09-21-2017, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Is this some kind of record for bringing back a specific fictional universe years after it ended?

Nooooo, not even close. The '66 Batman show has had current returns & that was from, well, '66.

I'm sure there must be even older ones.

*CyberCubed* · 09-21-2017, 08:25 PM

Uh, Star Trek? Kirk, Spock and the original crew came back years after the series ended for movies and crossovers. Not even counting the recent reboot.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 09-22-2017, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Uh, Star Trek? Kirk, Spock and the original crew came back years after the series ended for movies and crossovers. Not even counting the recent reboot.

But isn't that the same Universe, just different eras of time.

~~ABrown~~ · 09-22-2017, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Not a very high bar...

Right, like the original TMNT cartoon didn't have as many animation errors or episodes with pi$$ poor animation quality as any other action cartoon at the time.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-22-2017, 06:01 PM

Nick crossovers hands down both for having the original VAs come back but also for how fun it was. I liked how 80's Leo was talking about violence because at the time that was a big concern then so when he actually gets to use his swords, he really enjoys it which makes me laugh.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 09-23-2017, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Nick crossovers hands down both for having the original VAs come back but also for how fun it was. I liked how 80's Leo was talking about violence because at the time that was a big concern then so when he actually gets to use his swords, he really enjoys it which makes me laugh.

But the concern was Michaelangelo. not Leonardo. It would be better to have the joke focus in him.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 09-23-2017, 02:58 AM

I really liked the scene in the 2nd Nick crossover that has the 80s turtles see Ice Cream Kitty and Chompy.

A quiet moment contemplating another world, kind of like the 4Kids turtles meeting 80s Splinter.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 09-23-2017, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I really liked the scene in the 2nd Nick crossover that has the 80s turtles see Ice Cream Kitty and Chompy.

A quiet moment contemplating another world, kind of like the 4Kids turtles meeting 80s Splinter.

Never a fan of Ice Cream Kitty. I prefer Klunk and Mortimer when it comes to pet cats in TMNT.

*ToTheNines* · 09-23-2017, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Mortimer.

Oh my god. Stop.

*neatoman* · 09-23-2017, 10:52 AM

Who the hell is Mortimer?

*ToTheNines* · 09-23-2017, 10:58 AM

Remember Blodgett from season 2's "Curse of the Evil Eye"? Mortimer was his cat that had like 12 seconds of screen time.

View Poll Results: Which did the crossover better.
4Kids (Turtles Forever)	16	44.44%
Nick (TransDimensional Turtles, Wanted Bebop and Rocksteady)	20	55.56%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

09-17-2017, 04:58 AM	#26
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	Transdimensional Turtles I wish Transdimensional Turtles was at least a double-episode, giving more time for more explaination than just jumping between realities.

09-21-2017, 12:16 PM	#28
FredWolfLeonardo Big Blue Boy Scout Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Bark Town Posts: 4,476	Even in the 2nd Nick Crossover, they competently fight just like their Nick counterparts halfway into the episode, initially having problems with the fighting style but adapting and having the correct personalities, something that Turtles Forever lacked. Last edited by FredWolfLeonardo; 09-21-2017 at 12:21 PM.

09-22-2017, 06:01 PM	#34
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Nick crossovers hands down both for having the original VAs come back but also for how fun it was. I liked how 80's Leo was talking about violence because at the time that was a big concern then so when he actually gets to use his swords, he really enjoys it which makes me laugh. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-14-2017, 06:08 PM	#22
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,053	They were both good, but Turtles Forever being the overall finale of the 2k3 series with Ch'rell returning and giving that series a proper ending makes me choose it. The Nick crossovers were fun too, no real complaints. Everyone needs to get their heads examined when the say the Turtles were too incompetent at fighting. I've marathoned the original cartoon many times, have probably seen every episode 10 times or more, and the Turtles were never that good at fighting in the old show. Even in their most "competent" seasons, like Season 1, 7 or 8, etc. So it's an accurate portrayal when they go up against truly strong opponents.

09-14-2017, 07:23 PM	#23
Ninturtle Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2014 Location: Earth Posts: 1,534	I prefer Nick's portrayal of the FW turtles but prefer TF overall. I though the Wanted Bebop and Rocksteady special was one of the funniest episodes in a while, but the relevance of TF to 4kids story and the fact that it was the finale to the 2k3 series gives it the slight edge.

09-15-2017, 03:10 AM	#24
FredWolfLeonardo Big Blue Boy Scout Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Bark Town Posts: 4,476	I've watched the 2nd crossover about 3 times now over the course of the last few days and I have to admit, I'm coming to like and appreciate it more every time. Its pairs pretty well with TransDimensional Turtles played before it, and unlike many here, I think it actually pays alot of love and respect to the Original Toon Turtles.

09-15-2017, 10:40 AM	#25
Ulisa Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Various Fantasy Realms Posts: 145	I really dunno if I can pick between them honestly. They all have flaws and strengths and what I despise about one, I love about the other. They seem like they have opposite pros and cons: Turtles Forever--Excellent plot but poor character interaction(namely due to misrepresentation of the FW Turtles NICK Crossovers--Lackluster plot but much improved character interactions Neither one is perfect but I can enjoy each for different reasons. I guess I'd end up saying Turtles Forever because I can head-canon reasons why the FW Turtles ended up acting like they did but the NICK Crossovers introduce a lot of ideas that I just don't think mesh with the OT timeline. That being said though, both are a lot of fun to watch!

09-21-2017, 12:54 PM	#29
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	Is this some kind of record for bringing back a specific fictional universe years after it ended?

09-21-2017, 08:25 PM	#31
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,053	Uh, Star Trek? Kirk, Spock and the original crew came back years after the series ended for movies and crossovers. Not even counting the recent reboot.

09-23-2017, 02:58 AM	#36
FredWolfLeonardo Big Blue Boy Scout Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Bark Town Posts: 4,476	I really liked the scene in the 2nd Nick crossover that has the 80s turtles see Ice Cream Kitty and Chompy. A quiet moment contemplating another world, kind of like the 4Kids turtles meeting 80s Splinter.

09-23-2017, 10:58 AM	#40
ToTheNines [sic] Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15,098	Remember Blodgett from season 2's "Curse of the Evil Eye"? Mortimer was his cat that had like 12 seconds of screen time.