Why Is Lord Dregg An Unpopular Villain?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's just that i see a lot of negative comments about this guy.

[EZweasel]

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[Zelda]

I've only seen the 'bonus' episodes...somehow I missed seeing him on TV so I don't know much about him. He doesn't seem that bad though--just the whole 'mutate out of control Leo' 5 million times was getting annoying.

[Anarchistguy]

That's because The Shredder was in the old show for WAAAYYY too long. So when he left the show, the fans got so used to him that they couldn't accept Dregg. I liked the guy, I didn't mind him. I REALLY hope it doesn't turn out the same way in TMNT 2003 . People just don't give people a chance. They watch like 2-3 episodes, he automatically sucks!! This is LAME!!!

[J Legault]

I agree that the 2 episodes with Leo becoming a Mutated monster was annoying.

Course I haven't seen all the episodes from the Red Sky series yet.

I just know Shredder is trapped in Dimension X I think, then this other villian Lorg Dregg just steps in and becomes the new villian. only he does the same thing Shredder would do try to take over the world.

Not sure which episode had the TMNT met Dregg. But he's not the best villian I'd choose for TMNT. As long as he won't make an appearance or camoe in the new show.

[Kazari]

Actually I did kind of like Dregg. He just seemed spooky. I hate Mon or whatever his name was. HE was annoying. I liked Hi Tech. But I couldn't stand Carter

[J Legault]

You mean Mog?

[cqb101]

I like him....I still don't see why he got so much ****.

[Kazari]

Yeah it's probably Mog. Sorry! LOL Yeah I liked Dregg! I even liked Chronus and Titanus! LOL I love Red Sky much more than I did the old show.

[Anarchistguy]

Actually, his name is MUNG.

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I agree that the 2 episodes with Leo becoming a Mutated monster was annoying.

Course I haven't seen all the episodes from the Red Sky series yet.

I just know Shredder is trapped in Dimension X I think, then this other villian Lorg Dregg just steps in and becomes the new villian. only he does the same thing Shredder would do try to take over the world.

Not sure which episode had the TMNT met Dregg. But he's not the best villian I'd choose for TMNT. As long as he won't make an appearance or camoe in the new show.



I too think fans hated dregg because they were too used to shredder and he replaced Shredder. Shredder was the turtles long time eneomy, like Dr. Claw with inspecter gadget and skeletor with he-man. I enjoyed shredder more because he had krang bebop and rocksteady. Dregg was just a darker villian. I only saw the unaired eps of dregg and he was more serious than shredder and krang and I thought his henchmen were more boring. I did not have as much taste in dregg as I did with shredder.

[Deathknight]

I didn't like Dregg because I didn't consider him to be a good villian not because he replaced Shredder. He was trying to conquer the Earth yet he didn't even participate in any of the assaults against it. Shredder didn't always fight against the turtles but he was always there trying to accomplish his goal. Dregg was too much of a watcher from the safety of the Dreggnaught. He also relied on mistrust from the people of Earth in season 9 rather than really being a villian. I found that to be just stupid.

[Kazari]

Yeah well at first I hated the mutations of Red Sky but there are a lot of eps that I really like for instance: Wrath of the Rat King, Cyber Turtles and Turtle Trek! Those were really good not to mention Get Shredder, Divide and Conquer, Cry HAVOC and HAVOC In the Streets, Mobster from Dimension X. I mean I did find some aspects that I hate with the old show. I always though Leonardo was very annoying since he was always whining about what "Splinter says." also Raphael was a wise cracker but he didn't have the anger problem. Honestly I like old show Don especially Red Sky Don better than new show Donatello. New Show don is too quiet. Old show and Red Sky Don got angry easier.

[Aaron]

I personaly preferred Krang and SHredder.

[R-iZZy]

Lord Dregg was cool, in my book.

[Kazari]

Yeah I got tired seeing Shredder. it was ALWAYS shredder. Sometimes I liked seeing someone new .

[That Matt Guy]

Basically he came in to the series when it was already losing fans, so it just made it worse in my opinion.

[KROW]

I thought Dregg was alright. Didn't really take to him, though. I preferred Shredder but I didn't mind Dregg. I just didn't like the fact that he stuck around so long. I was waiting for him to leave, die, or something so that Shredder and/or Krang could come back.

I did like his voice, though.

[Kazari]

I did like his plans though! I mean with the microbots and all! But the weird thing is that he seemed to die twice in the show! So it was very confusing! I remember one ep to where shredder and Dregg did work together. But Shredder seemed to change in Red Sky too! I mean it was a different voice actor and he didn't have that whole sarcastic to him as well! Plus Bebop and Rocksteady actually ACTED smart! LOL Dregg was cool but they needed more Shredder every once and awhile and get rid of Carter!!:P No Mutating either!

[Coola Yagami]

the thing is, after so many eps, they kinda fell into a trap. We were tired of shredder all the time, but then they put in some stupid scientist, it was like..'bring back the shredder!'. the other bad guys were also minor, Rat King wasn't really a 'take over the world' type and Leatherhead just wanted to beat people up and Baxter was more of a guest star than anything else.

maybe what they shoulda done is have Dregg as a new villian, but not THE villian kicking Shredder out. You know, make up other villians too so it wouldn't be Shredder all the time, but not Dregg all the time too. Kinda like Batman/Spiderman, where the TMNT would have a rogue's gallery, and they'd sometimes face Shredder, or Dregg, or Slash, or Rat King or HAVOK, etc, and not Shredder/Dregg all the time.

[Kazari]

Yeah like I said I didn't mind Medusa or Chronus! But that ep "The Showdown" so reminds me of Big Brawl it's not funny!:P

[Spitfire]

Lord Dregg is another attempt to have a bad ass space villian hesnot very exciting and hes just like everything we have already seen in the show. Hes cool sure but hes nothing special

[Kazari]

Well I think some of the eps with him were more exciting than Shredder in the old show. For instance I ALWAYS knew that the turtles were going to beat Shredder. Now the GET SHREDDER in Red Sky ep with Shredder is a different story. But the Red Sky ep where Dregg sucked the turtles' life force from them and they were dieing now that was pretty intense.

[kyabetsu]

he looked like a strung out heroine junkie-version of huckleberry hound... with a bad bad hat.

...that's why i could never take him seriously.

When Dregg scrolls around, check it out (sorry spitfire, yours was the only image of LDrg i could find online):
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3883/Blooperreel.gifHuckleBerryHound:
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[Kazari]

Well for awhile I couldn't take old toon shredder too seriously either :P He sound wimpy sometimes and whining! LOL For some odd reason Shredder in ROTH new show ep reminded me of old show shredder by the way he was acting.

[Kameko]

Honestly, if it weren't for the fact that Dregg predates him by roughly a year, I'd be convinced he was just a sorry Lord Dragaunus (Mighty Ducks: The Animated Series) knockoff. I'm just not terribly impressed by him as a villain.

[Kazari]

Amazing though how it was Lord Dregg and now it's Lord Drako

[Spitfire]

he looked like a strung out heroine junkie-version of huckleberry hound... with a bad bad hat.

...that's why i could never take him seriously.

When Dregg scrolls around, check it out (sorry spitfire, yours was the only image of LDrg i could find online):
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3883/Blooperreel.gifHuckleBerryHound:
http://www.crittersbythebay.com/bios/images/resume_penh/Huck.jpg
Thats kool but theres a bunch in the screen caps topic in fact thats where I got the pics for my sig
http://img73.photobucket.com/albums/v223/wakko91/dreggfull.jpg

[Kazari]

Dregg was cool for awhile yes! I NEVER found him annoying but I mean after awhile he got to the point like old show Shredder to where all he wanted to do was kill the turtles and that's it though I mean some of his schemes were pretty intense! Like in the new show like I said even Shredder is becoming this way. At first he was trying to get at the utroms and take over the world but like in ROTH all he talked about was going after the turtles.

[Eye of Sarnath]

Dregg just doesn't look as cool as Shredder. That aside, he really was a better villian than Shredder when you think about it... I mean, he actually posed a threat to the TMNT.

[Kazari]

Yeah Shredder was hilarious while Dregg was more serious. Yeah but Dregg did pose more of a threat to the turtles than Shredder and Krang. For some reason you just knew that the turtles would always beat shredhead.

[Spitfire]

The old show was a comdey so there was no room for a serious character

[Kazari]

Well Shredder in the first what 3 episodes was pretty serious I think!

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the thing is, after so many eps, they kinda fell into a trap. We were tired of shredder all the time, but then they put in some stupid scientist, it was like..'bring back the shredder!'. the other bad guys were also minor, Rat King wasn't really a 'take over the world' type and Leatherhead just wanted to beat people up and Baxter was more of a guest star than anything else.

maybe what they shoulda done is have Dregg as a new villian, but not THE villian kicking Shredder out. You know, make up other villians too so it wouldn't be Shredder all the time, but not Dregg all the time too. Kinda like Batman/Spiderman, where the TMNT would have a rogue's gallery, and they'd sometimes face Shredder, or Dregg, or Slash, or Rat King or HAVOK, etc, and not Shredder/Dregg all the time.

That is not a bad idea of having the rouge's gallery, they should have done that in season 9 and 10. Well I think that the random villian thing like sopho, lloyd pysclod (the scientist from donatello makes time), Talbot Breach (the captain shrinking ships) and tempester were kind of having the batman/spiderman thing. I LOVE YOUR IDEA ALOT. I didn't mind shredder all the time because of bebop and rocksteady's foolish antics were interesting. Doing that could have brought the show up until now, but maybe not since interest was starting to wane in 1992.

[Drtooth]

I really gotta say, why I hate Dregg? He was too bland, and he was unappealing as a villain. He was too evil. He just did warmed over "Darth Vader" schtick. I mean, the writing did get a bit better (compaired to the seasons just before the change, throwing in random Mutants in to sell action figures) but the over all stereotypical evil of Dregg and the "Out of control" Mutations just drug the show down.

I mean, I liked the darker, grittier type of feel, but the magic died along with Shredder and Krang for me. As soon as Carter came in, I gave up watching....

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It looks like more people are negative about Dregg, despite that he was suppoesed to a "big-hitter" main villain to ease the somewhat on-going and out of steam adventures against Krang and Shredder.

Despite my lack of knowledge of the later season, i did see some episodes from the '95 or '96 Season a few years ago on a German Channel. I was surprised to see completely new enemies including Dregg. Sadly, i couldn't understand most of the German, and didn't have a clue what was going on. I've never heard Dregg's English voice-over, but would like to,as voice's do sometimes make or break a villain's reputation.

However, i like the sound of the guy if he's suppoesed to be darker than Shredder. :D

I didn't vote in the poll because of that.

Maybe, one reason why most people don't like him because Dregg came so late on in the cartoon. You got so used to Shredder and Krang and liked them from the start. And if you started watching the cartoon in the 80s ( and remember seeing it!), maybe by 1995, you were in your teenage years or late childhood and at that age you could be more critical of what new is put into you're loved programmes. Or you weren't easy to please anymore.


Or then again, maybe he just sucked. And i can't be the judge of that!

[Drtooth]

Hmmmm... those are valid points. Maybe it's how I slightly feel about it.
Personally, I liked the writing, but by the last season that version of TMNT ran out of steam. Plus, the Mutating Leonardo thing was pointless...

But I would have to agree, he's EXACTLY like the guy from Mghty ducks... probably because it's the same voice actor.

Plus, Mung was pretty annoying, and he looked like a bad ripoff of a character from "The Dark Crystal" (in animation form) with coat hanger hooks coming out of his head.

I think the only reason why Krang and Shredder were successful is they had weird personalities, and they had character flaws that made them funny at points. But Dreg was just pure evil with the stereotypical "Hell bent on thatking over the world" personality seen on way to many other cartoons at this point.

[Kazari]

I really liked Dregg. True he did get annoying but so did Shredder after awhile! I really liked the HAVOC Mutants myself.

[Shreddette]

That's because The Shredder was in the old show for WAAAYYY too long. So when he left the show, the fans got so used to him that they couldn't accept Dregg. I liked the guy, I didn't mind him. I REALLY hope it doesn't turn out the same way in TMNT 2003 . People just don't give people a chance. They watch like 2-3 episodes, he automatically sucks!! This is LAME!!!


I agree in that people were so used to Shredder it was hard to accept the new bad guy.

I think I stopped watching that show when James Avery stopped being the voice for Shredder. It was like Shredders very soul was taken from the show.

le sigh.

I try to hear Shredders voice in Uncle Phil, but it just isn't happening. :lol:

[Serp]

I think Dregg was Okay but it was sort of too much of the same thing. I like Coola Yagami's Idea about the Rogue Gallery think that would have worked.


I can very much so hear uncle Phil's voice in the Shredder.

[Shreddette]

I can very much so hear uncle Phil's voice in the Shredder.


I can hear Uncle Phil's voice in Shredder, but not Shredder's voice in Uncle Phil.

Not the last episode I watched, anyways. Maybe it was because I have to hear him get mad at Wil to hear Shredder.

[Kazari]

Actually I taped a "Fresh Prince of Bel Air" episode where Carlton and Will got in jail and Uncle Phil was mad at the 2 cops and he said a line that sounded JUST like Shredder because he was so angry! I taped it! LOL

[Shreddette]

Oh, great now I'm gonna have to make sure to watch Fresh Prince in the next couple days to try to hear it. Phil gets mad at Wil often enough I should soon hear it, eh?

EH??

Good thing it's a fun show. CARRRLTON!! Bahaha.

[Kazari]

I don't remember exactly what ep number it is. But the ep is when Phil's boss lets Carlton and Will borrow his car to take it somewhere for him. It's a BMW. Well 2 cops are suspicious of them having the car and arrest them because they think that they stole it. When uncle phil goes to the jail to get them out he says one line that sounds EXACTLY like Shredder!

[Coola Yagami]

I think Dregg was Okay but it was sort of too much of the same thing. I like Coola Yagami's Idea about the Rogue Gallery think that would have worked.


I can very much so hear uncle Phil's voice in the Shredder.


Thanks, I just always liked the 'Rogue's Gallery' kinda shows a bit more than the 'Same bad guy with his minions' kinda show. I loved Krang and Shredder, but was also quite interested in the eps that dealt with Leatherhead, Rat King, Slash and Baxter (I know the Baxter eps had Shredder in em, but they were more centered around baxter and his plans than Shredder's). For some reason I liked the characters actually based on figures than original ones. They were more fleshed out or interesting I guess. Maybe cause the other villians were lame mobsters and stupid scientists. The only original character I really liked was Lotus.

[Shreddette]

I don't remember exactly what ep number it is. But the ep is when Phil's boss lets Carlton and Will borrow his car to take it somewhere for him. It's a BMW. Well 2 cops are suspicious of them having the car and arrest them because they think that they stole it. When uncle phil goes to the jail to get them out he says one line that sounds EXACTLY like Shredder!

Ha, I think that's the episode I remember him sounding like Shredder!! Even BEFORE I knew Avery was Shredder.
It's all coming back to me nowww... *walks like zombie*

Ayup.
I gotta seeee that episode now.
*slams drink down*

[Mobius One]

That's because The Shredder was in the old show for WAAAYYY too long. So when he left the show, the fans got so used to him that they couldn't accept Dregg. I liked the guy, I didn't mind him. I REALLY hope it doesn't turn out the same way in TMNT 2003 . People just don't give people a chance. They watch like 2-3 episodes, he automatically sucks!! This is LAME!!!


Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Kazari]

Yeah I mean I like other bad guys besides Shredder but I mean as long as they make sense though! I mean some baddies off the old show did get annoying but the new show is like the turtles are not out looking for trouble or whatever they just stumble upon it. So far in the new show I have liked all the bad characters such as Nano and the Garbageman. I wish they would actually put the Garbageman back in the new season but I don't think that they will. I also liked Zogg :(

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Yeah I mean I like other bad guys besides Shredder but I mean as long as they make sense though! I mean some baddies off the old show did get annoying but the new show is like the turtles are not out looking for trouble or whatever they just stumble upon it. So far in the new show I have liked all the bad characters such as Nano and the Garbageman. I wish they would actually put the Garbageman back in the new season but I don't think that they will. I also liked Zogg :(

It seemed that replacing shredder came at a bad time because he repalced Shredder almost at the end of the show. IT seemed that when they wanted more viewers, they made things worse. But I heard shredder appeared in a 3 parter and that made up for it. I just loved bebop and rocksteady's silly antics.

Demogoblin87 I think them not liking dregg after 2 or 3 episodes is because they were too attached to shredder. The show just felt different without him. By the way who is this uncle phil. The globfather was lame in the mobster from dimension X. That was one of where Dregg was not shown until almost the end, which it showed that he was in cahoots with dregg. Globfather reminded me of Pizza the hut from spaceballs.

[Shreddette]

By the way who is this uncle phil.


Uncle Phil is off of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. James Avery, who is Uncle Phil's character on the show, does the voice for Shredder in the old toon.

[Drtooth]

Actually, that one episode of Fresh Prince... errr... they threw a pool party and both Uncle Phil and Will told different sides of some story (I haven't seen it in a while...) Phil sounded just like the Shredder in Will's side of the story.

anyway, I don't think Dregg sucks, I just don't like him... but then again, I've always liked Crazy villains, like the Joker from Batman... Dregg was too deadpan for me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It is funny when Uncle Phil speaks normally he doesn't sound much like Shredder, but when he shouts does! I know i'm repeating someone else here but what i'm getting at that when James Avery plays Shredder's voice he is constantly shouting!!

James Avery was sometimes absent and there was a Shredder replacement voice. He was probably absent than more of the other voice actor's, because i did not hear different voices for Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Rocksteady or Splinter.

Maybe the reason why James Avery packed it all in, in 92or 93, was because of what all that shouting can cause to your vocal cords and can make your throat sore if you keep shouting at the top of you're voice! Just try it!


JAMES AVERY (banging the desk): THAT'S IT! ALL THIS SHOUTING IS GIVING ME MIGRAINES!! WILL AND CARLTON DON'T GIVE ME THIS TROUBLE LIKE KRANG DOES! I QUIT!! (storms out the door)!

[Jasta3xB]

he was a very lame character, shredder takes it

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are you series about james avery not playing shredder because of loosing his voice, well when the red sky season started he played Haroud (Abis mal's advisor) in the aladdin the tv series.

About Dregg when I saw him on the bonus eps, he did not do much more than supervise to see if his plan is working. BUT what i liked was how he threatened mung a few times, showing how much a villian he was. In spite of that I still did not find him as likeable as shredder sinec he was the villian from the start and had to put up with rocksteady and bebop's goofy antics.

I never saw the first ep of dregg, but heard he tricked the people into saying that he is here to help them and how did he get everyone against the turtles. Was everyone against the turtles because they still feared them because of burne badmouthing them because of the channel 6 explosion ( I never saw the ep, but heard he badmouthed the turtles so bad they became outlaws to the city and did that (the turtles being blamed for channel 6 linger on into season 9, I wonder that because of people being against the turtles). DID THE TURTLES REALLY GET THEIR NAMES CLeared because in the ep where leo attacks the stadium (a bonus ep), the newsreporter says a bad thing about those turtles. HOW WAS DREGG ABLE TO CONVINCE THE HUMANS INTO LIKING HIM. BUT also having shredder, krang, the technodrome, krang's body and dimension X in season 10 (I never saw the eps with shredder, krang, the technodrome, krang's body and dimension X in season 10, but heard about them being in season 10) made up for dregg replacing shredder. Season 9 was all dregg and no trace of shredder (WAS SHREDDER EVEN MENTIONED OR SOMEHOW SHOWN IN SEASON 9??). I liked mung though. Dregg did seem like a challenge for the turtles, even more than shredder.

[MC]

No, there was no mention of Shredder in series 9.

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No, there was no mention of Shredder in series 9.

So it seems that shredder was just forgotten once season 9 started and shredder was forgotten until the 3 parter. They were making it like their battles with shredder never happened and were starting over with Dregg. But I agree with all of you that Dregg was trying to do the same thing shredder was doing, trying to conquer the earth. But Shredder was out of his base of commands more than dregg was. A whole season without shredder is bad since he was their main nemsis from the start and it seemed that turtle trek, which I never saw, was their last fight against shredder.

[KROW]

Dregg looked like a cross between a bulldog and a sh*tzu.