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KROW

01-13-2005, 10:56 AM

Check this out.

New Jack and Super Crazy may be heading to the WWE.

It was reported that former ECW wrestler New Jack was at a Smackdown! show and worked out with Val Venis in the ring for a short period. He even pitched an idea to the powers-that-be that he could be the man who "stabbed" John Cena a while back.

Also, the WWE has contacted Super Crazy about joining the company. Paul Heyman contacted Crazy about coming in back when he was still on the creative team. However, Crazy suffered a hand injury a few weeks ago and only wants to come in to the WWE when he feels he is 100%, wanting to make the best impression possible. It's said that the WWE is still very interested in him and are eagerly anticipating his arrival.

azure turtle

01-13-2005, 10:58 PM

Super Crazy!! I loved that guy. It was so cool when the crowd counted to ten in Spanish whenever Super Cracy climbed the turnbuckle and punched his opponent. If these rumors are true, I think it'd be awesome for him to come to Smackdown. Just imagine him in matches against Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, Rob Van Dam... A new, skilled heel might just be what SD needs.

Lisardo

01-14-2005, 02:05 PM

ZariusTwo

01-14-2005, 06:00 PM

I personally don't care for Muhamad Assan. He does make valid points and I accept that, but just his attitude, I dunno. Not that I'm trying to get into a policial correctness or Arabs vs. Americans debate or anything. The Revolution PPV was pretty good except for HHH still retaining his title. Oh well, they'll prolly do more with him and his title at Wrestlemania 21.

Hunter regained the belt at New Years' Revolution, he lost the belt in December during a triple threat match between himself, Edge, and Benoit, Edge and Benoit drew with each other and the belt was vacated.

Hunter is now a ten time WWE Champion, more than any other in WWE history.

EZweasel

01-14-2005, 06:55 PM

i seriously wish wreslting would get out of this slump...That need some big stars or something, but there just isnt any there. also the arab guy is a pretty good heel, but i think hogan needs to come back and whoop him to show him what a real american is! What i think would realy help wrestling is more gimicks like it was in the early 90's. I would even accept something like the attitude era because it was great. it had a mix of both gimicks and seriousness.

ZariusTwo

01-14-2005, 08:21 PM

also the arab guy is a pretty good heel, but i think hogan needs to come back and whoop him to show him what a real american is!.

Err...and what DEFINES a "real american" I might add? Someone who mercilessly beats up an Arab-AMERICAN who just wants to be accepted by his own country and gets p*ssed when they chant "U.S.A" in a hyporcritical fashion? :roll:

Oh, and here is some info on Cenas' new movie

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/CenasAussieDiva/marine.jpg

Leo656

01-14-2005, 10:41 PM

I actually watched wrestling (as in new wrestling) last night for the first time since March, when my cable went out. Yeesh, I have like NO idea about ANYTHING since Benoit won the belt, except for the fact that he lost it to Orton and HHH has it now. Man I got some catching up to do.

Thankfully, I have a big collection of tapes and DVDs to get me through. The Ric Flair Collection IS really great, but there wasn't enough of it. All the attention to the feuds with Hogan and Piper, and yet NONE of the 8,373,742 Flair/Hogan or Flair/Piper matches is on the DVD, nor are there any of his great matches with Savage. And they really should have put the match with Sting from the first Clash of the Champions before any other Sting match. Great set, but it needs a Volume 2 desperately.

The Rise and Fall of ECW was indeed a great set, though you really get the sense that Paul Heyman is kind of a nitwit. Creative genius? Sure, why not. Business genius? If Paul E. ran Microsoft, we'd all be using manual typewriters and the "internet" would be two foam cups connected with a piece of string. I've never seen anyone so completely blind as to why a business venture failed. But I guess nobody likes to notice any of their faults.

Hard Knocks: The Chris Benoit Story is another DVD I highly recommend, especially for all the old Japanese matches against Liger, Sasuke etc. Great stuff. Benoit's probably the best in the game right now.

Finally on the subject of DVDs, a 6-disc Hulk Hogan collection is set to come out in the Spring. Am I excited? Ohhhhhh hell yeah! :D

EZweasel

01-15-2005, 08:24 AM

Err...and what DEFINES a "real american" I might add? Someone who mercilessly beats up an Arab-AMERICAN who just wants to be accepted by his own country and gets p*ssed when they chant "U.S.A" in a hyporcritical fashion? :roll:

Oh, and here is some info on Cenas' new movie

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/CenasAussieDiva/marine.jpg

hogan is my favorite all time wrestler and i dont realy care who he is beating up....that dude just whines about his problems although he is a good heel like i said.

KROW

01-15-2005, 10:56 AM

I think Lawler said it best when he said that it's not the fact that he's Arab-American that we hate his ass, but because he's a bonafide asshole -- figuratively speaking, of course.

ZariusTwo

01-15-2005, 12:38 PM

hogan is my favorite all time wrestler and i dont realy care who he is beating up....that dude just whines about his problems although he is a good heel like i said.

Hogan is a crappy wrestler, don't get me wrong, he's probably the biggest draw in wrestling history, and I'm a Hogan fan, but even I know he could'nt beat the s*it out of anybody younger than him.

Leo656

01-16-2005, 07:54 AM

I'unno about all *that*... after standing about a foot away from the guy, and seeing up close how freakishly huge he really is, I'd be willing to bet he could hold his own in a "real" fight against a decent percentage of people. Probably not anyone like, y'know, UFC fighters or anything, but in a "normal" fight I think he'd still do okay. He might be getting up there in age, but he's insanely built and he obviously can take an enormous amount of pain considering he walked and wrestled on a completely destroyed knee for 15 years before finally having surgery on it (if you don't know how bad his knee is, he has no cartilage at all and most of the ligaments, particularly his meniscus, have been almost completely worn away due to all the abuse he's taken in his career), and if that ain't the sign of one tough old bastard I'unno what is.

Plus, I personally know a lotta people even older than Hogan who aren't anywhere near as buff who can kick the crap outta most people. Don't always judge someone by their age, lest you find yourself getting smacked across the face with their cane. :lol:

And I wouldn't go so far as to call his wrestling "crappy", either... for his style, he is/was a damn good wrestler. Fans these days are too demanding now that wrestling is "exposed" and people toss around words like "high spot" and "work rate" like it's goin' outta style. Back in MY day, not all wrestlers were expected to conform to one style in order to "not suck". Fans got into a wrestler based on his personality, his look, his finisher, and the way he told a story in the ring, not what they said in an interview or how many flips he could execute before landing a top-rope splash. And as far as telling a story in the ring and getting the fans into the drama and excitement of a match no matter WHO he was wrestling, Hogan is in the elite class alongside guys like Flair, Savage, Sting, Bret, Michaels, and Piper. People didn't get into these guys because they had a clever catchphrase or a hit movie (Rock, I'm looking at YOU), but because they were the best at getting the fans' attention in the ring and actually getting the people in the crowd to forget or just not care that wrestling was fake. And that, to me, is the sign of a "good" wrestler, way more than somebody's "work rate" or how many bumps they take. Ring psychology is so sorely lacking in wrestling these days, and it shows, not only in the in-ring product, but in the fact that people no longer seem interested in soap opera skits and B-level acting by non-union actors. Knock Hogan and guys of his ilk all you want, but things were a lot better during their heyday than they are right now.

Not singling you out or anything dude, just venting a bit about all the Hogan criticism in general that floats around these days. I'm the biggest Hogan mark ever, but even I like to take my shots at him every once in a while. I mean... "Santa With Muscles"? What the F*CK was THAT sh*t??? :lol:

Anarky

01-16-2005, 08:29 AM

Uhm, to change the subject. I have seen an episode of Poltergeist - the legacy last wednesday. The episode was about some guy's brother who came back from the dead for a "trade". The brother may live if the guy working with the legacy dies. Well, that's the deal. Everybody agreed on that except for the guy. So, there is this HUGE guy playing some sort of soul collector.

I am pretty sure that that guy is a pro wrestler. he wore black leather and had some sort of red glowing sword/dagger-type of thing. Well, anyhow. he fought like a wrestler, walked like a wrestler and, you know, was a wrestler. And yeah, he had tattooed arms. he made a really creepy appearance and knew how to be "demonic".

Does anybody know this guy? Who was that?

That Matt Guy

01-16-2005, 08:42 AM

It was Mark Calaway aka The Undertaker.

Anarky

01-16-2005, 08:57 AM

Man, the guy has changed since I last saw him in the early 90ies. Back in the day when wrestling was popular here.

Barkworm

01-16-2005, 10:15 AM

And that was really loooong ago. I think I was still in elementary school when we had the big wrestling hype here.

EZweasel

01-16-2005, 07:05 PM

ZariusTwo

01-16-2005, 08:00 PM

amen to everything you said. me and you think alike...i agree and personality is so much more meaningful than wrestling skill..why do you think wrestling sucks so bad these days and is losing ratings so badly.

Because Hunter's screwing Stephanie and is'nt elevating anyone?

Becuase everyone knows Bradshaw, despite having a great gimmick, sucks as a wrestler?

Austin and The Rock had BOTH great characteristics and amazing wrestling ability

EZweasel

01-17-2005, 10:51 AM

Because Hunter's screwing Stephanie and is'nt elevating anyone?

Becuase everyone knows Bradshaw, despite having a great gimmick, sucks as a wrestler?

Austin and The Rock had BOTH great characteristics and amazing wrestling ability

i agree, but i think bradshaw is a decent wrestler..but it needs to go back to its roots ala the attitude era, HAlf Gimicks/half kick butt.

Leo656

01-18-2005, 02:36 AM

Anybody else see that "HHH fears Divorce" sign on Raw tonight? :lol:

ZariusTwo

01-18-2005, 09:16 AM

Canada rules

Micheals was booed out of the building...which is always good to hear, and to hear the fan reaction to Christian was...beutiful.

Orton was booed...thank goodness there wrapping this feud up and moving on to Hunter/Batista (although rumours suggest Hunter Orton, and Bastista will main evewnt Wrestlemania in a triple threat match)

KROW

01-19-2005, 11:49 AM

Anybody else see that "HHH fears Divorce" sign on Raw tonight? :lol:
That was priceless, absolutely priceless. :lol:

Now, can Canada think of another reason to boo Michaels other than the incident in Montreal? For Chrissake even Bret is over it.

And Zarius, if you have such high regard for Canada for booing Shawn, what do you think of them for cheering Hogan? Just asking.

Peanut

01-19-2005, 12:06 PM

The Bret screwing is all we need to boo Michaels. There doesn't need to be another reason.

Anyways, that was the only part of RAW I've caught in the last 3 weeks. Can someone fill me in on what's going on? What's the big fued happening right now?

ZariusTwo

01-20-2005, 10:19 AM

And Zarius, if you have such high regard for Canada for booing Shawn, what do you think of them for cheering Hogan? Just asking.

I like Hogan, he's probably the most entertaing wrestler on Earth next to maybye Austin or Rock...I just know he's a crappy wrestler, so I'm fine with Canada cheering a guy who put wrestling on the map.

The Bret screwing is all we need to boo Michaels. There doesn't need to be another reason.

Anyways, that was the only part of RAW I've caught in the last 3 weeks. Can someone fill me in on what's going on? What's the big fued happening right now?

Oh sure

Well, it seems they are building up Batista to main event Wrestlemania against Triple H, Orton has become the number one contender and will face Hunter at the Royal Rumble, before moving on to a rumoured match with The Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

Shawn Michales will face Edge at the Rumble as well, this was supposedly going to happen at Wrestlemania, but the company wants to go ahaead wirth Shawn vs Kurt Angle.

ZariusTwo

01-20-2005, 02:12 PM

http://www.tbwts.com/101reasons/

Dammn good trailer, the movie will be pretty good.

Konnan: Is BRADSHAW the best you can do as a champion?

That line pretty much said it all

Greatest line in the trailer

New Jack: "TNA is not a Disney attraction, it f*cking ain't"

Peanut

01-21-2005, 05:52 AM

Thanks for the update Zarius.

BTW that was a kick ass trailer. New Jack is hilarious! "B*tch, that ain't my baby!"

KROW

01-21-2005, 11:10 AM

New Jack is hilarious! "B*tch, that ain't my baby!"
I second that.

"I said, 'Look, b*tch. Cocaine is a powerful drug, but it ain't my baby.' " :lol:

I also like O'Haire's cursing and Vampiro's lisp.

Jamezer

01-22-2005, 12:28 AM

i havent watched wrestling in like 2 years. i wish that it were real, that would be some kind of entertaining!!!

KROW

01-22-2005, 04:30 PM

i havent watched wrestling in like 2 years. i wish that it were real, that would be some kind of entertaining!!!
It is real, just like breast implants.

ZariusTwo

01-26-2005, 11:47 PM

SMACKDOWN is getting axed by U.P.N, which means we either get the same crap on the U.S.A Network, or a live Thursday show on SPIKE TV

Peanut

01-27-2005, 09:21 AM

I haven't watched Smackdown for oh so long now. I just wish they'd end the damn brand split.

Lisardo

01-27-2005, 01:41 PM

I personally like Smackdown, I think it's gotten better esp. with the GM now Teddy Long. Tho I wish that RAW and DS would collide more often, as in, having more RAW vs. SD matches. Kinda like how they did for Wrestlemania 20 last year with Kane vs. Undertaker and Goldberg vs. whatshisname *sorry, brainfart* Can't wait till Wrestlemania 21 tho, and can't wait to see the matches. Also forgot that Royal Rumble is this Sun.

ZariusTwo

01-27-2005, 05:44 PM

It turns out SMACKDOWN getting axed was a false alarm, it MAY be cancelled by U.P.N, not WILL be cancelled.

As for SMACKDOWN's product...it's rubbish, John Cena barly wrestles and seems to be relying on his stale gimmick, J.B.L is entertaining, but limited in the ring, Angle is broken down, Eddie is being misused again, Mysterio never gets a chance...

RAW is superior in leaps and bounds, especially with building up a main eventer (batista)

It was Goldberg vs Brock Lesnar by the way...and MAN did that match suck

KROW

01-27-2005, 06:38 PM

Don't worry Lisardo. Brock is pretty much a brainfart anyway.

ZariusTwo

01-31-2005, 01:21 PM

Batista won the Rumble

LOL, The "Randy Sucks" chants got louder every minute during Orton's match, just for the record, he was'nt really concussed, it's part of a new development for him now that he's returning to the mid-card

EZweasel

01-31-2005, 03:53 PM

ZariusTwo

01-31-2005, 04:17 PM

smackdown is 10X better than raw in my opinion and it still sucks. both shows suck actually..just one sucks more than the other.

And you have substanial evidence to back up that up constructivly?

Lisardo

01-31-2005, 08:56 PM

Brock was pretty good but I didn't like his quitting attitude.

The thing I can't stand about both shows is the damn divas (all except the 'wrestling' divas). Christy's pretty cool I guess, but the other ones are so dumb and pointless. Just kinda annoying I think. Sorry to any WWE diva-lovers.

EZweasel

02-01-2005, 12:58 AM

And you have substanial evidence to back up that up constructivly?

i like the people on smackdown more because of the gimicks, but like you say everyone gets misused. Taker & hiedenriche??? however you spell his name. The undertaker is the man and they put him against that piece of ....cake.

GK Punk

02-01-2005, 03:55 AM

Raw and Smackdown were awesome tonight.

...Maybe I was biased 'cause I was there :O

Peanut

02-02-2005, 01:20 PM

GK Punk

02-02-2005, 09:37 PM

I watched the last 40 minutes of RAW on monday. I'm kinda angry that Orton got short changed, his face turn really hurt him. He desperately needs a big heel turn to at least get a solid reaction from the fans, he deserves that much after they f*cked him over on his first title run, and basically on this whole face turn. I'm glad to hear Batista won the Rumble though, should make for some interesting TV. I plan on trying to catch RAW more than I have in the last month or so leading up to WM21.

You know what was funny, the cheers for Randy Orton were MUCH louder in person than they seemed on TV. Lots of people (inculding myself) were buying the RKO DESTINY shirts, and TONS of people sang along with his entrance theme when he came to the ring.

ZariusTwo

02-02-2005, 09:45 PM

You know what was funny, the cheers for Randy Orton were MUCH louder in person than they seemed on TV. Lots of people (inculding myself) were buying the RKO DESTINY shirts, and TONS of people sang along with his entrance theme when he came to the ring.

You guys were one city, one night earlier, the Rumble crowd was booing his ass, Orton still does have his fans (including me) but it's time to throw him down to the mid-card for now until he's ready as a main eventer

GK Punk

02-02-2005, 10:01 PM

Acually, most of the people at Raw also went to the Royal Rumble, Fresno and San Jose are really close to eachother. I just think they should have given him Midcard status longer in the first place instead of bumping back down. He should have had like 2 lengthy Intercontinental Title reigns before sending him to Main Event.

I almost say, send him to Smackdown, they could use him there

EZweasel

02-03-2005, 02:47 PM

they should just fire orton's butt along with most current superstars. In with new and out with the old exept for a few.

Peanut

02-03-2005, 03:00 PM

they should just fire orton's butt along with most current superstars. In with new and out with the old exept for a few.

Do you ever stop complaining?

KROW

02-04-2005, 10:15 AM

Wow. I expected a more lengthy response from Peanut on that.

But, since when is Orton "old"? He started around two years ago. Fire him? Why? Maven's been in the WWE longer than Orton. There's no need to fire him. He's got great ring presence, good mic skills, and he can wrestle. Fire him? Unnecessary. Tell that to Vince and he'll wipe his ass with your request.

Anyway, to quote John Cleese, "Now for something completely different."

Did anyone see the Wrestlemania 21 commercial with Triple H and Flair during Smackdown! (those of you who watch it)? It was hilarious.

Peanut

02-04-2005, 12:07 PM

Wow. I expected a more lengthy response from Peanut on that.

Oh there probably would have been one, but he's not worth my effort.

GK Punk

02-04-2005, 12:51 PM

Yeah that commercial had me rolling. It was great. :lol:

I watched Smackdown last night, only because as I said, I was in attendance for the taping. Man was I surprised to see how different it looked on TV. They LOWERED The Cheers for Eddie Guerro. In the arena during several Matches "We want Eddie!" chants broke out throughout the taping, and when he came out, the Pop was Deafening.

ZariusTwo

02-05-2005, 02:41 PM

The RAW and SMACKDOWN tapings wrapped up in Japan today

Regal and Tajiri won the World Tag Team Championships from La Resistance, Triple H defeated Edge to keep his championship (no bloody suprise), Orton defeated Tyson Tomko, proving once and for all his push is dead

SMACKDOWN: Nothing much happened at this show, except for a great match between Kurt Angle and Rey Mysterio

KROW

02-05-2005, 10:29 PM

The thing I like about watching wrestling in Japan is the audience are so appreciative of the performers. There's more applause than cheers.

Peanut

02-07-2005, 10:11 PM

Decent RAW tonight. Looks like an Orton/Christian fued, which sounds pretty entertaining to me. Tajiri winning the tag titles was a pretty obvious one, but it was enjoyable all the same. I loved the look Batista was giving the title belt at the end of the show. Good stuff.

KROW

02-08-2005, 10:19 AM

RAW was definitely a good show. The one thing I could've done without was the diva fashion show. But, I did enjoy Lawler's ring presence. It's always good to see him in there.

Triple H's match with Edge was pretty good, too. I could watch it with little wincing. Speaking of matches, Benoit and Jericho were superb. Great show for the fans everywhere like always.

The Batista/HHH rivalry is getting more and more interesting, with the humanity they're continuing to give Batista and the constant Smackdown! footage being shown, which I think will be revealed to be HHH's doing. Also, the sign-off last night was excellent. Those last two minutes of airtime showed so much.

Great show. I applaud the respective performers for this one.

KROW

02-09-2005, 06:33 PM

Interesting news.

February 08, 2005 - While this may not be the description you'd expect from one of the toughest wrestlers and action stars around, The Rock is a soft spoken, nice guy. That's not to say that I'm not absolutely sure he could twist me into a pretzel, but just to say that he totally and completely negates the stereotypes many of us have about a pro wrestler acting in movies. He's well spoken, highly intelligent and approachable.

IGN FilmForce caught up with The Rock recently to talk about some exciting upcoming projects he has lined up. Mr. Dwayne Johnson also discussed some future hopes for his career.

After filming wraps in Prague for Doom, The Rock will take a brief videogame reprieve to shoot Gridiron Gang before returning to the Czech Republic for John Woo's Spy-Hunter. "Yeah, but I'm probably gonna do, well I know for sure, I'm going to do a movie first called Gridiron Gang before Spy-Hunter. Gridiron's gonna be with Sony and that is supposed to shoot [in Prague] as well. It's supposed to be."

Playing a gay country-singing bodyguard in Be Cool, The Rock is doing his best to break away preconceived notions or limitations many may have of The Rock. "I think after a movie like Be Cool comes out and a movie like Gridiron Gang, which is a true story, it's about hope. I don't want to place it into the same category as Coach Carter, because that was about the coach and what he did. This is about one man and what he did for all these kids. And all of these kids, half are alive, half are dead, but you care about each individual kid and there are stories about each one… It's really incredible. I think after a movie like that I really wanted to make movies in basically every genre and try to do well in it."

Rock promises he wasn't going after specific videogame movies, it just turned out that he was doing two of them. "Purely coincidental. You know what? I lucked out. Really, with a movie like Spy-Hunter, same studio, really went after the writing aspect… We had great producers with this, but with Spy-Hunter as well. We went after John Woo and really wanted to make sure that we delivered, and not just, you know, making a movie just because the video game was popular, really making an awesome movie. And with Spy-Hunter, it's great. With the car and the comedic elements as well, a little bit of True Lies as well."

[B]WWE is now talking about producing their own movies, but The Rock says his days of donning those tights are in the past. "No. They've been wanted for a long time to get into the movie business and, I'm not too sure, I think like low budget movies, a lot of them straight to video. I think they wanted to and were looking for different distributors. No, my contract is actually up with them, it was up last year, so I'm done…"

As far as expanding his horizons in the movie business, The Rock has a whole slate of plans for his career. Some may be a little surprising, but judging by how well his career has been progressing in the past couple of years, he may get a chance to do all of them. "Oh yeah. You know like in comedies, I'd love to do something with Will Ferrell. We have a couple of ideas. There was a movie, yeah, and it's a constant process. Sometimes I bog my own self down because I've got so much s*** in my head, man. What's going on here? Action-wise, I would love to do something with Jason Statham. I really, really like what he does. He was the guy from The Transporter. Yeah, I met him one time. He was really, really cool. Johnny Bravo is another one that's coming up. Do you guys know Johnny Bravo? Yeah, I'm not doing a cartoon on it, but yeah it's great; Very, very funny."
-- Jeff Otto
Damn.

ZariusTwo

02-09-2005, 08:39 PM

They've got Austin back for three movies, but they've now lost the one mainstream draw they have left that can actually wrestle, unless they get Foley back again...

Demented Utrom

02-10-2005, 01:45 AM

You mean The Rock Real Name Dwanye Johnson rather do B movies instead of wrestle.

Peanut

02-10-2005, 03:44 AM

Well...The Rock is officially a sell out. Go ahead and forget the company and the industry that made you a success, asshole.

ZariusTwo

02-10-2005, 11:46 AM

Well...The Rock is officially a sell out. Go ahead and forget the company and the industry that made you a success, asshole.

I think New York were basically telling him that back in 2002 when he jobbed the belt to Brock, hence his heel turn in 2003 during his final "real" run with the company.

Batista is the fan favourate right now, but I doubt he'll pull in the mainstream

KROW

02-10-2005, 11:58 AM

You mean The Rock Real Name Dwanye Johnson rather do B movies instead of wrestle.
No. He meant that he thinks the WWE would rather do straight-to-video movies instead of big-budget films.

This really doesn't mean Rock sold out. He had a dispute with the WWE, his contract ran out, he's still making movies and letting other guys take over the ring. He's passing the torch as it were. He's not a sell-out just because he didn't renew his contract. Maybe he wanted to, but the WWE wanted other things from him that he disagreed with.

Demented Utrom

02-11-2005, 05:07 PM

Hogan had to job to the Rock that was leaving to do another movie.well the nwo was going on.

ZariusTwo

02-11-2005, 05:25 PM

Hogan had to job to the Rock that was leaving to do another movie.well the nwo was going on.

What are you talking about now? MAKE SOME SENSE, for the love of God.

And for the record, Hogan left the NWO the following night

Demented Utrom

02-13-2005, 02:54 AM

Actually Hogan was supposed stay in the nwo.It would have had the then WWF spraypainted nwo on it.Well the fans had to ruin it by cheering him.

ZariusTwo

02-13-2005, 09:47 AM

Actually Hogan was supposed stay in the nwo.It would have had the then WWF spraypainted nwo on it.Well the fans had to ruin it by cheering him.

I know that, but Hogan was never a heel in WWE, so the loyal WWE fans could'nt cheer him for long.

ZariusTwo

02-14-2005, 10:56 AM

I just watched TNA Against All Odss...screw No Way Out, that is'nt going to top that PPV.

Nash/Jarret was great, which is surprising given Nash is usless, Billy Gunn and Syx-Pac returning were quite a shock, (maybye Wlatman will be more motivated now), Jarret retained the belt after hitting three strokes on Nash.

A.J Stylrs vs Daniels was off the chart, that iron man match should by all rights have bene an hour. Robbery.

Abyss and Jeff Hardy had a decent TLC match, looks like Abyss is Jarret's next challenger.

KROW

02-14-2005, 01:52 PM

Here's a little moment of zen.

http://roughkut.com/images/hhhe-man.jpg

GK Punk

02-14-2005, 04:23 PM

Krow, you are my hero. I have to show that to my girlfriend, she'll get a kick outta that.

Peanut

02-14-2005, 09:17 PM

RAW has been pretty good so far tonight The Orton/Christian match was DAMN good. Those two work really well together. I hope that fued gets a little more heated.

Edit: RAW was definately good tonight. The Tag Championship match was pretty boring, but other than that it was great. I wonder if Batista will actually show up on Smackdown.

ZariusTwo

02-14-2005, 11:55 PM

That Orton/Christian match will be better than the entire No Way Out PPV.

Peanut

02-15-2005, 12:07 AM

That Orton/Christian match will be better than the entire No Way Out PPV.

:lol: Well that goes without saying. Most things Smackdown releated are crap, but I'll have to watch it on Thursday to find out what's going down with Batista.

The Clerk

02-16-2005, 01:36 AM

I just got back from the Gundarena, in cleveland, from SmackDown!

it was pre-taped, i actually liked it, even tho i'm not a huge fan of SmackDown!... but hey, i got to see JBL, Angle, and Undertaker.... worth it

ZariusTwo

02-16-2005, 12:01 PM

Speaking of Angle...

(If you thought The Rock leaving was bad...)

UPN Cleveland (the US channel we get Smackdown on here) to mention they talked to Kurt Angle. It was to promote this week's Smackdown in Cleveland. During said interview, Angle mentioned that he'd be retiring after the WM21 match with Shawn Michaels. So then we scoured the net a bit, didn't see it mentioned on any of the reliable news sites (WO, Torch, PWI). I've since gone on some message boards at some popular sites and saw people seeing this same story, so yes, it is legit.

Peanut

02-16-2005, 12:18 PM

Angle had some great matches a couple years back, but I haven't been enjoying anything he's done lately. I say he should retire, he's too worn out. WWE needs to get Austin back.

ZariusTwo

02-16-2005, 03:07 PM

WWE needs to get Austin back.

Austin IS back with the company, but it's in a non-wrestling capacity.

Besides, Austin is broken down as well, and is practically finished as a wrestler, plus he did'nt done anything for the buy rates or ratings since he stopped wrestling and became the co-General Manager of RAW.

I'd rather see new stars developed by the company rather than watch them bring back a relic from a boom period that is long since finished and will never happen again. The days of Austin, Rock, and Mankind are dead and buried

Peanut

02-16-2005, 04:27 PM

ZariusTwo

02-16-2005, 04:55 PM

No kidding, but they aren't exactly doing well with developing talent, and the good talent they do have they misuse. Take a look at Booker and RVD. I'd much rather watch them go at it for the title than JBL and The Undertaker.

I agree, unfortunatly, Hunter does't beleive either of those two are championship material, and as long as he has Steph in his corner, there permanent mid-carders who will get the occasional title push, but will never win it.

Peanut

02-17-2005, 11:41 PM

Man...Smackdown is terrible, I watched it tonight. Just pure garbage.

ZariusTwo

02-17-2005, 11:47 PM

Man...Smackdown is terrible, I watched it tonight. Just pure garbage.

I'm glad the U.K is airing the PPV for free, Christ...it took them one show to add several more matches to a three-match card. Rubbish.

Peanut

02-17-2005, 11:50 PM

Even for free I wouldn't watch that PPV. That is one of the worst cards I've ever seen.

ZariusTwo

02-18-2005, 11:00 AM

Even for free I wouldn't watch that PPV. That is one of the worst cards I've ever seen.

Tell me about it. SMACKDOWN sucks and it draws worse money than RAW does, J.B.L is'nt a convincing champion, and Cena has become a one-move wonder.

Oh, and apparently it's now been confirmed that promo videos are being prepared for a new interpromotional match at Wrestlemania 21

Randy Orton vs Undertaker

There will also be a triple threat match betwen Matt Hardy, Kane, and Gene Snitzky

The Clerk

02-18-2005, 02:52 PM

ugh, Undertaker best win, i'll cry if he looses his WM streak to Ortan... it was bad enough that Ortan killed Beniot's winning streak for the title.

Yeah, this coming PPV has a stupid card. The Barb Wired Steel Cage match sounds good on paper.... but with those two superstars... it just isn't gonna work, it would be awesome if the barb wire was on the whole cage instead of the top of it. They aren't even gonna go that high since you can just pin or make then submit in cage matches now... which i hate...

I don't really like Cena all that much, never really did, but he'll beat Angle, someone with talent, and go on to WM to prolly face Batista and JBL. Cena isn't a main eventer in my mind, not at all.

the only match i wouldn't mind seeing is the tag championship match, just because of Rey Rey.

Peanut

02-18-2005, 03:26 PM

I'm looking forward to Orton vs Undertaker. Legend on Legend Killer after all. Taker's career is coming to an end, and I recently read he's looking to put someone over big time before his career ends. It might be a nice little push for Orton to be the one to break Taker's WM winning streak.

I'm not overly interested in the title matches for WM, which will end up being HHH vs Batista and JBL vs Cena in my mind. I'd want the title to change hands both times, but I don't know if I see it happening both ways. If only one is going to win, I'd pick Cena over JBL to do it.

Probably the one most talked about match I'm looking forward to is Angle vs Shawn Michaels. Supposed to be Angle's retirement match. It should be a good one.

What worries me, is that at this time we usually know straight up who's going for what title at WM, things are in such a big jumble right now. I guess it's ok though, we do still have a while before WM. I just hope they can get some good angles and feuds going, because this years WM doesn't really look all that impressive.

Head Spinnin' Bebop

02-19-2005, 12:32 AM

Even for free I wouldn't watch that PPV. That is one of the worst cards I've ever seen.

Ugh, I could say the same for almost every PPV these days. I hardly even pay attention to WWE anymore and personally sometimes I feel I even wouldn’t mind if they just went away. I knew how it used to be before, wouldn’t always last forever, but I never imagined the company would get as bad as it is now. The odd good thing will happen in a blue moon to bring back the days of when it was good and pull me in, like Gangrel returning. But its just a tease and you quickly have to get used to those days being over all over again. Sure, Viscera stayed, but look how he’s been used..or not used. All I really do now is read some results, I just don’t care enough to watch anymore. I used to have hope it would turn around again, but I can clearly see its only getting worse now. Its sad, really it is.

Only thing I’m looking forward is the release of the Doink the Clown figure!!! :eyemouth: A WWF fan I’ll always be…..a WWE fan I’ll never be.

ZariusTwo

02-19-2005, 02:36 PM

You guys are going to HATE this

The current plan is for Orton to BEAT Undertaker at Wrestlemania

Demented Utrom

02-19-2005, 02:47 PM

Undertaker losing to jobber mcjobber Randy Orton ah no.I don't watch Smackdown at all either.Randy Orton sucks and should stay in the midcard forever.

KROW

02-19-2005, 02:56 PM

Hmm... You know, I have so much to say about all this but it's tiring now. The matches, the plans, the direction. It could have gone so much better. The WWE is just... tiring.

Wait a minute. How is Orton a "jobber mcjobber"?

ZariusTwo

02-19-2005, 03:31 PM

Hmm... You know, I have so much to say about all this but it's tiring now. The matches, the plans, the direction. It could have gone so much better. The WWE is just... tiring.

Yup.

Too bad TNA shot itself in the head years ago...it's still alive, but with Jarret as champion, it is'nt cutting it.

GK Punk

02-19-2005, 06:49 PM

I could see why Orton would beat Undertaker. Undertaker has been thinking of retiring, and Randy is the "Legend Killer" so it's not that bad of an Idea. I swear to god, reading this thread i see so many wrestling fans that just let what you are suppoused to think (Because it's the cool, internet fan thing to do) Affect how they think about wrestling, instead of just enjoying it and watching it for what it is.

Internet fans make me sick.

ZariusTwo

02-19-2005, 06:58 PM

I hate Internet fans who think they can run the company better than the people who actually do, nothing more.

I still watch RAW, a lot of people in this thread do, we just hate SMACKDOWN a great deal, (which IS'NT ejoyable, even to the marks) beleive me, Internet fans still greatly admired the last boom period regardless.

GK Punk

02-19-2005, 07:17 PM

I hate Internet fans who think they can run the company better than the people who actually do, nothing more.

THAT drives me up a wall.

I still watch RAW, a lot of people in this thread do, we just hate SMACKDOWN a great deal, (which IS'NT ejoyable, even to the marks) beleive me, Internet fans still greatly admired the last boom period regardless.

I dunno, sometimes I can watch SmackDown and have an ok time watching it, except of course when JBL Is involved :|

The thing that bothers me is you are suppoused to love or hate certain guys just because it's the cool thing to do on the internet. Like it was cool to love Randy a few months ago, now it's the cool thing to bash him. Why not just Oh I don't know... like who you want and not worry about what's cool on the internet.

Ok so i am talking on the phone while typing this so if it makes no sense sorry!

ZariusTwo

02-19-2005, 07:25 PM

Like it was cool to love Randy a few months ago, now it's the cool thing to bash him.!

Actually, Orton's face turn blew up in his face, it had nothing to do with the Internet dislike for him.

Peanut

02-19-2005, 10:10 PM

Oh, my poor Randy Orton, what has become of you? He's still my favourite wrestler of this new "era", but yeah GK is right. Orton bashing is the new cool thing to do on the internet. Just like when RVD showed up during the Invasion, it was the cool thing to praise him to the high heavens. Then everyone decided "oh too many people like him now, I have to be different." and he was bashed a ton. I dunno, I just think GK makes a good point. I like who I like and hate who I hate for my own reasons. I don't hate/love anyone because that's the general feeling of the IWC. I'd also like to add that the majority of the IWC makes me sick.

ZariusTwo

02-19-2005, 10:47 PM

I'm still an Orton fan, but my god, as a face, he just SUCKS, the IWC were still cheering him for a few weeks after he became champion but I saw through the flaws instantly after Hunter kicked him out of Evolution, I'm hoping he turns heel again, he's not ready as a top line face, and that was obvious after he was shoved down everybody's throats

RVD is bashed by the IWC speficially because he is'nt as motivated as he used to be, Hunter saw to that, personally I've never liked him, he was a glorified bump machine in ECW, very few who come out of there I consider a real "star" (Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Snow, Raven, Lynn, Richards, and Dreamer being the only exceptions)

I hear where you're coming from Peanut, the IWC have a bad reputation due to the amount of wannabe know-it-alls who think they know who should be champion, who should be squashed, who's good for buisness etc, that throughly disgusts me, only the WWE knows what's good for buisness, even when they make mistakes themselves, it should NOT fall to fifteen year old pot smoking nerds to assume the posistion of booker and dictate what they should do to save thier skin.

Peanut

02-19-2005, 10:55 PM

I'll have to agree with you.

Orton's face turn was a disaster, both to the WWE and to his career. He makes a great heel, but he just doesn't seem to have that same appeal as a face.

As for RVD, well I like him. He does entertain me, much as Mick Foley, who has a severe lack of any wrestling skill entertained me. If the IWC bashes RVD for being a bump machine, than what should they be thinking of Foley?

Sometimes I wander over to the Wrestlezone forums, and what I see is usually beyond ridiculous. If any of those people had their hands in the business it would be doing even worse than it is now. Speaking of how bad the business is, does anyone see another boom coming in the next couple years, because I don't.

ZariusTwo

02-19-2005, 11:00 PM

Sometimes I wander over to the Wrestlezone forums, and what I see is usually beyond ridiculous. If any of those people had their hands in the business it would be doing even worse than it is now. Speaking of how bad the business is, does anyone see another boom coming in the next couple years, because I don't.

You have people claiming TNA is the next big promotion, when in all honesty, it's the solution that COULD have been, Jarret is not the greatest choice as champion, the X Division and Tag Team division is great, but that's it, they've screwed up more times by wasting money on broken-down crap like Hall and Nash, and hiring anyone who happens to be fired by the WWE in seconds, regardless of how good they are. It's a shame, I'm a fan of TNA, but I'm not as deluded as most of it's fanbase is. It's not big, and it's losing a lot of money.

Peanut

02-19-2005, 11:07 PM

TNA looked like a bright spot, but I don't see that anymore. Jarret is probably the worst champion they could have. I also agree with their spending money on broken down wrestlers. Especially ones as undependable as Hall and Nash. The X-Division and the Tag division are great to be sure, but they even lost one of their bigger X-Division talents in Frankie Kazarian. How long is it before they start losing the even bigger ones? Petey Williams and AJ Styles? With their style they would go over like crazy in the WWE.

GK Punk

02-19-2005, 11:21 PM

The problem I see, is that Petey Williams and AJ Styles would be looked over by Vinnie Mac because they aren't big enough. AJ Styles especially has all the tools to be THE guy in the Industry though.

As for TNA, I enjoy it quite a bit. I see what you guys are talking about, I think they should put the World Title on AJ Styles, or Raven, or hell, even Jeff Hardy. (You heard me, Jeff Hardy would be a better champ) I'm a fan of Jarrett, but he doesn't need the Championship. I also think they should re-introduce the NWA North American Title in to TNA. (I believe that's still an active Title also) With a new champ, and a better (and possibly live) TV Deal, TNA COULD be the big promotion it's trying to be, it has all the right tools, they just need to get their act together.

Peanut

02-19-2005, 11:29 PM

I think the TV deal is a thing that's killing TNA. As of right now they still don't have a deal to show Impact in Canada. All we get is the old PPV's on ESPN Classic Canada. Canada is a huge wrestling market. They need to get a deal done over here, then focus on getting a better deal in the States. They were supposedly close to a deal with TSN to air Impact here, but the WWE put it's foot down and stopped that pretty quickly. I guess they still feel a little threat from TNA.

GK Punk

02-19-2005, 11:33 PM

I agree completley. Canada is a CRUCIAL Market for them (And any wrestling promotion when you get right to it.) and they need to get a deal there desperatley.

Speaking of which I finally got Team Canada's theme!!! YAY!! (I've been wanting it FOREVER)

ZariusTwo

02-20-2005, 10:20 PM

Well, No Way Out was'nt that bad.

The Barbed Wire Steel Cage was a knock-off, it was just the same ordinary cage with fake barbed wire attached to the top, the only highlight was when The Big Show chokeslammed J.B.L through the ring, which allowed J.B.L to cralw UNDER the ring and win the match.

John Cena defeated Kurt Angle (no Shawn Micheals interference at all) to become the number one contender at Wrestlemania.

Peanut

02-21-2005, 09:20 AM

Just read the results and see Batista did show up. It makes me wonder if he'll go against JBL or not. I guess we'll find out tonight. I really don't see him jumping to Smackdown, because if he does end up facing JBL, who could they possibly get to face Trips?

EZweasel

02-21-2005, 06:09 PM

doesnt realy matter what happens in wrestling anymore. Ya know i think you people should all just stop watching it. If enough people quit watching it maybe they would put a little more effort into the storylines.

EDIT: also quit going to their live shows.

Peanut

02-21-2005, 06:10 PM

Get out of the thread if you don't like it. Don't troll.

EZweasel

02-21-2005, 06:11 PM

Get out of the thread if you don't like it. Don't troll.

this thread is about wrestling all together..Not just how good it is.

Peanut

02-21-2005, 06:17 PM

If you hadn't noticed, we were discussing completely different topics. All you do is come into this thread and spout off about how bad wrestling is. I'm sure I'm not the only one tired of hearing it from you, so either post something constructive or don't post anything at all. You're entitled to an opinion of course, but just coming into the thread and saying "wrestling sucks" without any type of basis to the arguement is pointless and will only induce flames. So I ask you nicely to stop, once again, unless you have something constructive to say.

Now, if you'd like to state a reason why we should all stop watching it on TV or going to shows, please tell us.

ZariusTwo

02-21-2005, 06:38 PM

EZ, you're starting to look REALLY desperate in terms of trolling this place now, you're a broken record, you say the same s*it day in, and day out, with nothing constructive to offer.

You might no longer like wrestling, but there are fans here who have been watching it long before you ever did, and have stood WITH it through the good and bad times, the WWE is no exception, and there are plenty of other promotions out there to watch.

GK Punk

02-21-2005, 09:30 PM

EZ, for someone who was trying to get your warning removed, You are very close to getting another one.

Peanut

02-21-2005, 09:37 PM

Wow, RAW is just...not good tonight. A bunch of squash matches that belong on Heat, none of which served a purpose, with the exception of debuting Masters, which was a completely dead match anyways. It seems like most of the night hasn't even meant anything so far. Benoit vs Hassan at WM21? I sure as hell hope not. To shove Benoit down like that is a complete travesty. Very little coming out of this show, and there's only about 35 minutes left. It seems like the only thing they focused on is Batista, then they threw the rest of the show together without purpose.

GK Punk

02-21-2005, 09:44 PM

I enjoyed the Edge and Christian Vs Randy/HBK Match. But that's really about it.
The Women's title match wasn't so bad (Considering it was the Women's title) and if Snitsky wins my Intercontinental, I mean Shelton's Intercontinental title at WM21 I'm gunna be pissed. I ****ing hate Snitsky.

Peanut

02-21-2005, 09:48 PM

Yeah, the E&C vs Orton/HBK match was cool, if only to see E&C back together, and boy can HBK get the crowd going. All he needs to do is ask! I hope the Snitsky/Benjamin thing is done. I'd like to see a decent IC title match at WM.

Edit: Offically Batista vs HHH at WM21. Batista put on quite a show tonight, the terrible hour and 50 minutes was almost worth enduring to see him slam dunk that punk HHH through the table.

ZariusTwo

02-21-2005, 10:36 PM

Great, so out of ALL the main events, the only person who can actually wrestle is Triple H (Batista being an overated three-move wonder, J.B.L being nothing but a gimmick, and Cena being an unmotivated one-move wonder)

By the way, it's been known for a while now Stephenie Mcmahon is booking the shows backstage, Vince tore both his quads at the Royal Rumble and is out of action on both fronts...

JameO

02-21-2005, 10:45 PM

KROW

02-21-2005, 10:50 PM

I have a question for Triple H. What in the blue hell is with that handlebar mustache?

You guys pretty much summed up the only good parts of RAW that I liked. E&C vs. Orton/HBK and Batista smashing HHH through the table. That was it. But I finally got to see that Basic Instinct spoof. That was great. As for this Stiff, I mean, Chris Masters? A few words: The Narcissicist 2.0.

JameO

02-21-2005, 10:57 PM

All I got to see was that joke they call new talent and Triple H get owned by Batista. I will have to tape it and see the rest of it.

GK Punk

02-21-2005, 11:19 PM

I have a question for Triple H. What in the blue hell is with that handlebar mustache?

He looks like Lemmy from Motorhead. he looks like a jackass.

And I'm a huge Triple H mark.

Demented Utrom

02-21-2005, 11:32 PM

Triple H was power bombed by Dave Bastita finally.

Peanut

02-22-2005, 06:17 AM

The Narcissicist 2.0.

That's the exact same thing I thought when I saw his entrance. What's up with WWE bringing in all these huge guys? Before, being a big guy in the WWE actually meant something, now every other wrestler is 6'5" pounds of muscle.

Demented Utrom

02-22-2005, 04:17 PM

I call him Generic hoss #10.

ZodiacAngel

02-23-2005, 02:41 PM

That's the exact same thing I thought when I saw his entrance. What's up with WWE bringing in all these huge guys? Before, being a big guy in the WWE actually meant something, now every other wrestler is 6'5" pounds of muscle.

That's very true.

Why the hell does WWE always focus it's attention on big guys? Half of them(Gene Snitsky, I'm looking in your direction) can't wrestle and give promos worth a damn.

I find that little guys like Rey Mysterio and other wrestlers such as Kurt Angle and Eddie Guerrero are very talented and should be focused on more in the future.

Demented Utrom

02-25-2005, 07:07 PM

Why do the WWE always focus on the big guys.Well Vince has a thing for the big guys.Refered to as Hosses by Internet wrestling fans like myself included.The WWE has a ton of giants right now.The generic brawler is what most hosses have as a move set.

Peanut

02-25-2005, 09:42 PM

Thanks for those words of wisdom.

Demented Utrom

02-28-2005, 09:46 PM

Hollywood Hulk Hogan inducted into the WWE hall of the fame.

Peanut

02-28-2005, 10:00 PM

Yeah. It was pretty obvious, glad he's in it though, and Austin back for Mania in Piper's Pit. Should be pretty interesting.

I really want to know what Jericho's idea is. My guess is it revolves around the IC championship, since there really isn't much going on there. I hope they involve Benoit in it, a program with Hassan is way under him.

Good to see they're going to go with Orton vs Taker too. Orton wanting to go where no wrestler has gone before and beat Taker at WM is a pretty neat idea.

Decent RAW tonight. More ridiculous matches again, with the exception of HBK vs Edge (which is still going as I type this), but some interesting spots. Batista and HHH was one of those spots, Batista has really gotten over in the last couple months.

Demented Utrom

02-28-2005, 10:04 PM

I call it botch night.The current match has tons of botching in it.Pipers going to get stunnered on piper's pit.Hogan will go after somebody.

Peanut

02-28-2005, 10:11 PM

The only botch I saw tonight was the ending of the Benoit/Hassan match. What the hell was supposed to happen there?

Demented Utrom

02-28-2005, 10:27 PM

I don't think there was supposed be a DQ in the match.I think the Ref botched.

ZariusTwo

02-28-2005, 10:30 PM

Piper, Hogan, and Austin...wow...

Angle beating Micheals up was pretty damn good, a perfect ending to a near perfect RAW, it was executed quite well.

Demented Utrom

02-28-2005, 10:36 PM

Undertaker vs. Randy orton.You might call Wrestlemania has been Mania since the WWE is bringing tons of has beens this year.Hogan will get more airtime then everyone else.The Hall of fossils induction fame.

Peanut

02-28-2005, 10:40 PM

Do you EVER stop? I'm serious. Just stop.

ZariusTwo

02-28-2005, 10:42 PM

Shredder Utrom, to quote Chris Jericho:

Would you please...SHUT THE HELL UP

The Hall of Fame is honoring the biggest draws the company ever had, the BIGGEST, last year? The only person I gave one flipping damn about was Heenan and Graham

This is HOGAN, AUSTIN, AND PIPER, the three greatest draws in the companies history, two of them being honoured for thier contributions, without Hogan and Piper, you would'nt be watching WWE PERIOD.

Demented Utrom

02-28-2005, 10:46 PM

I respect Hogan,Piper since he is canadian.Austin.Bret Hart should make the hall of fame before Bob Orton JR.I also respect Jimmy Hart he made a good manager and decent theme music.People I don't respect in the WWE hall of fame Pete Rose.

The Iron shiek is going to get booed.Most Guys this year are from the 1980s WWF.During the guys Prime.Hogan wrestled for the WWE a couple years ago.He badmouthed them after he was fired.

I thought vince held grudges against former workers that badmouthed him.

GK Punk

02-28-2005, 11:36 PM

I'm definetley looking forward to Mania.

I second what Peanut said about Jericho and the Intercontinental title (as many know, that's always been my favorite championship, and Jericho is one of my favorite IC champs of all time)

A really good Raw tonight, but as you guys said PLEASE END THE BENOIT/HASSAN FEUD. PLEASE. I BEG YOU. (And me and my friends were the only ones to chear Hassan when he came to the ring from Raw in San Jose)

Demented Utrom

02-28-2005, 11:39 PM

I think Chris Masters should be sent back to OVW.He botched on Steven Richards he has a broken nose now.Wrestlemaina is in 34 days or 4 weeks.I'm ordering it.I think the guys that botch should punished and not rewarded.

KROW

03-01-2005, 11:00 AM

More words other than derivitives of "botch" please. Try an internet search for "thesaurus" and feel refreshed and improved.

Stiff.. I mean, Chris Masters (still can't say it right :P ) doesn't need to be punished for breaking Richards' nose. First, in this business, bumps and bruises and other injuries are a given and all performers take them in stride. *cough* Mick Foley *cough* Second, Richards' has had worse happen to him. The only thing Masters would get punished for would be a form of unsportsmanlike conduct for not caring for what he did. If he didn't talk to Richards' after the match and what-not, that would have been different. You learn to take the good with the bad in professional wrestling.

Now, as for RAW, it was a good show. I also didn't care for the end to the Hassan/Benoit match. Benjamin vs. Snitsky was a good workout for the IC Champ. Jericho, hopefully, will get more recognition with the direction in which he's going. I enjoyed that small interview Batista had with Ross. He has great mic skills, and the small skirmish with Trips and Flair was nice, with Batista goading HHH to get in the ring. I loved that.

Michaels and Edge put on a good match. Angle's appearance was a real treat, and I ended up laughing my ass off as the show faded out, with Angle screaming in the crowd. I thought that was friggin' hilarious.

Demented Utrom

03-01-2005, 03:45 PM

If he stiffed on one of the big stars.I think he would be sent back or fired.He stiffed last night to.I don't think Chris Masters knows it's supposed be scripted fighting.

GK Punk

03-01-2005, 11:56 PM

If he stiffed on one of the big stars.I think he would be sent back or fired.He stiffed last night to.I don't think Chris Masters knows it's supposed be scripted fighting.

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have hired him, put him in a gimmick and sent him to the ring with instructions to win the match Via Submission at the 3 minute mark if he didn't know it was scripted.

Wingnut

03-02-2005, 10:52 AM

Peter Brady and X-Pac are going to get into a fight.

Just thought i'd add that.

KROW

03-02-2005, 11:04 AM

:lol:

Wow, Wingnut. Haven't seen you in a while. How've you been? And why would X-Pac want to beat up Chris Knight for? A Very Brady Syxx-Pac?

Wingnut

03-02-2005, 11:38 AM

:lol:

Wow, Wingnut. Haven't seen you in a while. How've you been? And why would X-Pac want to beat up Chris Knight for? A Very Brady Syxx-Pac?

Good to see you again. I'd figure i'd drop by for awhile since I have some new found time on my hands.

Anyway, I guess Chyna is on that show the Surreal Life on VH1 and X-Pac drops by and she gets pissed, then Peter Brady tries to get him out of the house or something.

I just saw it flipping through the channels.

KROW

03-02-2005, 11:41 AM

Good to see you again. I'd figure i'd drop by for awhile since I have some new found time on my hands.

Anyway, I guess Chyna is on that show the Surreal Life on VH1 and X-Pac drops by and she gets pissed, then Peter Brady tries to get him out of the house or something.

I just saw it flipping through the channels.
Likewise. ;)

Oh, yeah. I forgot she was on that. Too bad Celebrity Deathmatch has gone the way of the dodo. It would've been nice to see that fight in claytastic glory.

Maybe TNA will do something with this. :lol:

Wingnut

03-02-2005, 11:52 AM

Peter Brady is ripped, I would take him over X-Pac right now :lol:

Peanut

03-02-2005, 11:55 AM

I would take anyone over X-Pac. That guy is such a runt! I'm sure he's out of shape now too.

Demented Utrom

03-02-2005, 11:57 AM

Did you forget the Sean Waltman has a martial arts background.Will probably beat up Peter Brady.He is pretty nasty for a small guy.

KROW

03-02-2005, 11:59 AM

I would take anyone over X-Pac. That guy is such a runt! I'm sure he's out of shape now too.
:lol:

Elite5 is so going to wang you!

Wingnut

03-02-2005, 12:14 PM

Im not saying anything else about X-Pac :D

When Elite sees this he's gonna crap a brick :lol:

Lisardo

03-03-2005, 01:44 PM

Smackdown isn't on till tonight. I hadn't heard about this Orton/Taker match at Wrestlemania 21.

BTW those Hollywood promos are hilarious! The Pulp Fiction one was great! As for matches, I wouldn't mind seeing big man vs big man; JBL vs. Tripple H, since both are the main guys on each show. I know they can't tho since they both hold a title now. Sofar I like the matches I'm hearing about for Wrestlemania 21 tho. I was really glad to hear about the new members of the WWE Hall of Fame too.

About the most recent Smackdown PPV tho, I didn't see it. I didn't waste my time. I knew JBL would still somehow retain his title, unfairly like he always does, so I figured why bother. And he did end up keeping it, which I predicted all along. I really hope he looses it at Wrestlemania tho.

ZariusTwo

03-03-2005, 02:05 PM

J.B.L did'nt win "unfairly", he got out of the cage before The Big Show did, true, it was by emerging from underneath the ring, but it still counts.

Demented Utrom

03-03-2005, 03:58 PM

ZariusTwo

03-03-2005, 06:36 PM

Peanut

03-03-2005, 07:21 PM

I only watch Raw now.I don't touch Smackdown with a ten foot pole anymore.The WWE should hire new writers.The current writers are garbage and don't know anything about wrestling.It's the Triple H show and the JBL show boring time to move on with different guys.

You've told us that before, no need to keep repeating it.

My big problem with Smackdown (which I'm watching right now) is the commentating. Tazz and Michael Cole are just ridiculous. I can't stand them. Michael Cole was always a douche bag, but with Tazz by his side he's even worse.

GK Punk

03-03-2005, 11:38 PM

Haha I love Tazz. Maybe's it's 'cause I was a Tazz fanboy in the old ECW days. (same reason I love Raven so much to this day...)

I'm planning on buying one of the WWE Championship belts but can't make up my mind... I'm Considering the WWE Championship, the World Heavyweight or the Intercontinental. Or, If I can find one, the Big Eagle (Attitude Era) Belt. I hear they re-released those with the WWE logo on them, both with and without the Wrestlemania XX 6th plate.

Peanut

03-03-2005, 11:52 PM

I like Tazz as a wrestler, but he drives me insane as a commentator.

You're talking the real replica belts right? I've always wanted one of those, but they're so damn expensive. They'd be worth it though. If I were to pick...hmmm. I'd want the last WWF Championship belt. The current WWE championship doesn't look all that special, but the World Title is definately cool. Either way I envy you for getting one.

GK Punk

03-04-2005, 02:34 AM

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about one of the Replicas! Apparently you can now buy Real 24K Gold WWE/WCW/ECW or WWF Belts for over $3,000. Wouldn't that be the most awesome colectable EVAR?

The WWF Title you are talking about, is exactly the one I'm hoping to get. It's kind of hard to find, so I might have to settle for the WWE Version of it (Same belt just WWE logo instead) But thats fine. It was always my favorite World Championship Belt.

Peanut

03-04-2005, 01:43 PM

Oh man! That sig is amazing GK! HAHAHAHA!!! :lol:

GK Punk

03-05-2005, 05:37 AM

*Bows* thank you. thank you, I Exist 2 Inspire. :lol:

ZariusTwo

03-05-2005, 12:18 PM

Holy s*it

According to Matt Hardy, he's dumped Amy "Lita" Dumas because she cheated on him...WITH EDGE

I've always disliked Lita...an incompetent wrestler, now she's an incompetent tramp.

Peanut

03-05-2005, 12:49 PM

WAIT...isn't Edge married to Jericho's sister!?!?

Machias Banshee

03-05-2005, 01:01 PM

ugh.. I thought she was better than that. AFter the 'marriage' to Kane.... I dunno, she's not giving us a very good name... :ohwell: I'll have to prepare for the hatemail to come...

ZariusTwo

03-05-2005, 01:06 PM

WAIT...isn't Edge married to Jericho's sister!?!?

Yeah, he cheated on her.

Managment is apparently p*ssed at him.

Peanut

03-05-2005, 01:13 PM

Wow. I'm sure there'll end up being some stiff wrestling if Edge ever faces Matt or Jericho again.

ZariusTwo

03-05-2005, 01:15 PM

I guess this is ONE Triple H squash we'll look forward to

GK Punk

03-05-2005, 11:58 PM

So THAT'S Who that was!?!?! I've been dying to find out. I'm a member of Matt's official message board so I've been following this for awhile....

ZariusTwo

03-06-2005, 09:28 AM

Yeah, I'm part of the forums as well, I infreqently post there.

Matt should go back to SMACKDOWN now...he only jumped to RAW to be with Amy, and if this is how she repays him...it's just not worth it if he's going to waste his time there, it's not safe for Edge either.

Matt apparently got a call from Edges' now ex-wife telling him that Amy and Adam had been calling each other several times, I'm not even sure when this even began, but I'd guess around the time Matt was taken off the road with an injury, life on the road is extremly tough and sometimes, it's not stable for a relationship.

Matt confronted AMy, and she confessed that, although she loved him, she could'nt stop thinking about Edge...yeah, like that proves your loving intentions Amy.

Matt told her to get out immediatly.

Look out for Amy to either be released, or made less essential to the product than before

KROW

03-06-2005, 09:55 AM

I thought Edge was married to Val Venis' sister.

ZodiacAngel

03-06-2005, 03:17 PM

I thought Edge was married to Val Venis' sister.

He was, but they divorced and Edge got re-married.

To make matters worse, Edge was with Lita of all people. It's true, just read this (http://www.wrestlingexposed.com/headlines/7399.shtml)

ZariusTwo

03-06-2005, 04:45 PM

We already know it's Amy Dumas, as I have stated that fact in two posts already.

GK Punk

03-07-2005, 12:06 AM

Yeah Matt needs to be on Smackdown now. He was more over on Smackdown anyways, plus it'll give me a reason to watch that show. (I'm a Hardy Boyz fanatic, I can't help it! I even bought another pair of the pants they were/are sponsored by...)

If Amy gets released over this, I won't shed a tear. I've been cheated on, I know what it feels like, and I ****ing hate cheaters. They're scum.

ZariusTwo

03-07-2005, 09:44 PM

Hmm...WWE sure know how to punish talent, they gave Edge a win over Jericho in Matt's hometown, when the "You screwed Matt" chants were clearly being heard, I guess he'll be the one still going over in the match, as it will determine a new number one contender.

Orton vs Undertaker's confirmed...anyone find it funny that Bischoff had to basically ask for an R.K.O because Orton's bland challenge bored everyone to death?

GK Punk

03-07-2005, 10:32 PM

I loved the looks on Edge and Y2J's faces. Edge had this "Oh ****. What have I done" look, and Jericho had this "You are a douchebag, and I would kill you if this wasn't my lively hood at stake" look.

I've never boo'd Lita in my life. Untill tonight. Although, it was rather amusing, my girlfriend kept yelling "LITA"S A WHORE" at the TV :lol:

ZariusTwo

03-07-2005, 11:32 PM

Rewatching the Lita segment...it's clear they threw her out there to the wolves, the boos were louder than Edges'

GK Punk

03-07-2005, 11:44 PM

Just imagine if Matt Hardy came to the ring tonight. He would have been crazy over. Or maybe I'm just a crazy Hardy's fanatic.

Peanut

03-08-2005, 01:16 AM

RAW was pretty good tonight. Although it was kinda hard to watch the Jericho/Edge match. Jericho just looked so pissed off all night. That ladder match should be good. I love Christians entrance music, I just discovered that. I really think they need to give Batista some better music, not that his is bad, but it lacks the feel a main eventer needs. It doesn't have that signature feel to it.

GK Punk

03-08-2005, 01:40 PM

I LOVE Christian's new theme. I'm listening to it right now actually :O

ZariusTwo

03-08-2005, 01:59 PM

Edge's theme>Nearly every theme on RAW

Chrsitans' theme> Every theme in the company

Peanut

03-08-2005, 05:01 PM

What's wrong with Christans theme?

ZariusTwo

03-08-2005, 05:39 PM

What's wrong with Christans theme?

Nothing.

It owns the entire company's theme songs.

Peanut

03-08-2005, 06:43 PM

Damn, I read what you wrote totally wrong. I didn't really notice the > signs.

On another note, I'm starting to lean towards not reading wrestling news anymore. I kinda want to see what it's like to be surprised by things that are going to happen.

ZariusTwo

03-09-2005, 04:32 PM

Well, Batista is'nt doing s*it for the ratings anymore...something I knew was going to happen when he flopped on the mic last week, and this week, he had a crappy match with Flair.

Hunter looks to be winning the match, which is fine with me for once, Batista is utter rubbish, and Hunter is back to 1999 levels as a wrestler

Peanut

03-09-2005, 04:59 PM

Yeah...I actually want HHH to win the match over Batista too. He really isn't all that outstanding. I think the fans are getting tired of seeing his spinebuster 8 times a night anyways.

GK Punk

03-09-2005, 05:06 PM

people... other than me... praising Hunter...

I'm just going to sit back and soak it in.

Peanut

03-09-2005, 05:48 PM

My problem with HHH just comes from his business attitude. He's damn entertaining both inside and outside the ring. I don't know very many people I love to hate more than HHH. I just want to see Batista go down to him. Not only is he undeserving of holding the World Championship in the first place, but getting it at Wrestlemania is going too far. The guy has little charisma, and he's a two move wonder.

Honestly...in terms of the World Championship...I'd give my left and/or right nut to see Christian get up there. I don't think it'll happen. He's a small guy...but I can dream can't I?

ZodiacAngel

03-09-2005, 06:30 PM

GK Punk

03-10-2005, 03:15 AM

Peanut, you are going to love the Christian avatar I'm working on... Let's just say it involves his Titantron Video...

GK Punk

03-10-2005, 04:02 PM

Ooooh gift from the girlfriend today! The WWE Intercontinental championship replica! Complete with Randy Orton name plate (They were apparently sold out of the Chris Jericho Name plate)

I'll post pics later

Peanut

03-10-2005, 04:03 PM

I'm jealous now...damn. Can't wait for those pics.

ZariusTwo

03-11-2005, 09:17 PM

Here is some distrubing news on Randy Orton:

Apparently, he actually crapped in a Divas' bag when she ignored him a while ago, and was also partially responsible for AMy Webbers' depature, he not only poured a bloody mary on her, he also helped smuggle her image and phone number on a poster and placed it in a bar.

GK Punk

03-11-2005, 09:21 PM

Didn't Shawn Michaels once crap in Sunny's bag?

Peanut

03-11-2005, 09:28 PM

:lol: Nice! That's pretty damn funny, but he's just going to get in trouble for doing it. Damn Orton, what's going on with you?

GK Punk

03-11-2005, 10:31 PM

:lol: Nice! That's pretty damn funny, but he's just going to get in trouble for doing it. Damn Orton, what's going on with you?

lmao you know what the sad part is? me and you, with out doubt, the two biggest Orton Fans on the Forums are encourging him in a way :lol:

I'd be worried about him getting in major trouble, but when you look at the list of people Punished by WWE for Bad Behavior, you have:

Shawn Michaels
The Rock
Triple H
(And I'm sure more)
All Former World Champions.

I'm guessing Vince has a great "Humbling Policy" (that's what I've heard it refered to as lmao) and it actually works

Wingnut

03-12-2005, 10:26 AM

Didn't Shawn Michaels get into trouble for putting gauze in his tights?

Demented Utrom

03-13-2005, 11:42 PM

I heard about Undertaker and the Kliq taking a dump in Jerry lawler's crown before.Orton is immature and it's not funny either.He should be punished.Lose to the Undertaker at wrestlemania.

GK Punk

03-14-2005, 09:56 PM

OMG THE ROCKERS REUNITED FOR ONE NIGHT ONLY :O

I think I had an orgasm watching that match.

i grew up watching AWA, and the "Midnight" Rockers were my favorites, even when they went to WWF. You have no idea how excited I was watching that.

ZariusTwo

03-14-2005, 10:37 PM

Who the hell cares about Hunter vs Batistia at Wrestlemania?

YOU JUST SAW THE F*CKING ROCKERS ON FREE TELIVISION :D

GK Punk

03-14-2005, 10:47 PM

Who the hell cares about Hunter vs Batistia at Wrestlemania?

YOU JUST SAW THE F*CKING ROCKERS ON FREE TELIVISION :D

lmao that's seriously how I feel! If I never see another wrestling match in my life, I don't care. I just saw HBK and Marty Jannety as a Team for the first time in what, 13 years? It was specfreakintacular!!!

KROW

03-15-2005, 10:16 AM

Oh, hell yes.

The Rockers, Jake Roberts, Regal getting kicked in the pills. Excellent RAW last night. Excellent.

ZariusTwo

03-15-2005, 09:09 PM

I've recently learned the main event of TNA Lockdown will be a six-sided steel cage six-man tag team match, featuring Kevin Nash, DDP and Sean Waltman against Jeff Jarrett, The Outlaw and Monty Brown

Great...where the flipping heck is A,.J Styles? Why, he's wrestling Abyss, someone else who should be main eventing by now in a completly different match at the PPV.

ZariusTwo

03-21-2005, 10:57 PM

Wow...that RAW was ilargly inmferior to last weeks'

No Janetty, slopppy matches (barring Batista vs Kane and Jericho and Benjamen vs Edge and Christian), sloppy booking etc, what the hell was the point of hyping a new Evolution mmeber when nothing came of that?

But still...ORTON TURNED HEEL! Yes, when he R.K.O'ed the usless Stacy Keibler, I marked the hell out, THAT is how you build a match, not with a stale dark side gimmick.

GK Punk

03-21-2005, 11:35 PM

That RKO Saved the Show. That was the best moment of this weeks Raw in my eyes.

Peanut

03-22-2005, 12:30 AM

Hot DAMN! I just saw that. Great move making Orton heel again. That was the only good part of RAW tonight IMO.

KROW

03-22-2005, 08:25 AM

I laughed so friggin hard when Snitsky kept getting his ass kicked by Kane. I especially liked it when Kane was going to the top rope and saw Snitsky coming at him, and just booted him in the face. That was hilarious. I wish I had a .gif image of that happening repeatedly.

Demented Utrom

03-22-2005, 02:05 PM

The triple H promo went on a little long.Last week's raw was way better.

Undertaker should have come out during orton's promo and attacked him.

Wrestlemania is next week.Who is ordering it I'm who else.

Peanut

03-22-2005, 02:24 PM

Me and JameO are splitting the cost to order it. A couple of my other friends want to come see it, but I don't know if they will.

ZariusTwo

03-22-2005, 02:59 PM

Hmm...

Apparently, Orton has suffered a shoulder injury, and will be sidelined after Wrestlemania, I think 'Taker might go over after all now, which sucks, as I'm sick to death of the no-drawing, boring, stale, broken down waste, p*ss off Calloway.

Oh, and the Backlash poster features Triple H, indicating he's going to beat Batista, or is facing him in a rematch for the belt.

Demented Utrom

03-22-2005, 07:14 PM

Orton should retire.The guy is a walking accident.This is like the 3rd time he got injured.

Backlash is supposed to be a triple threat match since the WWE wants the winner to use it next PPV.

The rumoured match is triple H vs.Bastita vs Kane for backlash.

How did orton botch this time.He should wear shoulder pads during matches.He might end up in a wheelchair before he is 40 years old.

Undertaker should retire he is a gimp now.Micheals is better shape then he is.

Both of Calloway's knees are screwed up.He should wear Steve Austin knee braces from now on.

Calloway has a bad back from taking to many bumps over the years.

JameO

03-22-2005, 08:37 PM

All i can say is, John Cena the champion. WORD LIFE!

GK Punk

03-22-2005, 08:44 PM

All i can say is, John Cena the champion. WORD LIFE!

Rumor has it, Cena is going to have his own WWE TItle made. The rumor I heard is it will be based on the Old 80's Winged Eagle title belt. I hope that's true, I'd LOVE Them to bring the Eagle back!

I plan to get 'Mania, I actually delayed going to my girlfriend's house by a few days just to watch 'Mania before I left lmao.

JameO

03-22-2005, 09:11 PM

:lol: Awesome! Yeah this is more important no doubt. That would be awesome. John Cena is my favourite Smackdown wrestler along with Eddie Guerrero, so I want him to kick some JBL butt.

GK Punk

03-22-2005, 09:39 PM

I Love Eddie Guerrero! I just bought the DVD about him. It has so many Bonus matches on it. you should pick it up if you get the chance, it's a great DVD.

JameO

03-22-2005, 09:46 PM

Yeah I already own it. :) It sure is awesome, and interesting to see the problems in his life. I also love the Benoit DVD, the Owen Hart Tribute and everything, it is sad to see how Benoit took it. And of course I got the Word Life DVD, I love his rap battles. The matches in Japan, with Benoit and Eddie are awesome.

GK Punk

03-22-2005, 09:53 PM

The Benot and Cena DVDs are on my To get list. I just started collecting WWE DVDs, so far I just Own the Monday Night Wars, Eddie Guerrero Story, THe Rise and Fall of ECW, Hardy Boyz Leap of Faith and Lita it Just Feels right. (Small Collection so far)

I think the Benoit or RVD DVD is the next on my list. Do you own many of the WWE DVDs? If so, I could use Recomendations!

ZariusTwo

03-22-2005, 11:10 PM

All i can say is, John Cena the champion. WORD LIFE!

Yeah, here's to crappy matches and the same, repetetitive, homosexual joke rap references. WORD LIFE :roll:

And here are my DVD recomendations

So far, the Benoit and Guerrero DVDs are worthwhile purchases, as is the ECW DVD, The Monday Night Wars is 90% biased Bulls*it and is'nt accurate in the slightest, the only good parts on it are the matches (ESPECIALLY Micheals and Austin vs Owen and Bulldog for the tag team championships)

It's a pity the "Tagged Classics" are'nt availbile in the U.S, the DVDs basically contain two PPVs from the classic years, so far they've recently released the first five Wrestlemanias, plus the finest 1997 PPVs, Final Four, and Canadian Stampede.

As for the John Cena DVD...BLECH, one of the worst DVDs on the planet, whilst his initial heel raps were excellent work, his face raps rely on retarded homo-phobic humour, which, quite frankly, just makes everyone who cheers for it look stupid and narrow-minded. The matches on the DVD also suck.

Demented Utrom

03-22-2005, 11:13 PM

Yeha, here's to crappy matches and retarded homosexual joke rap references. WORD LIFE :roll:

Agrees I hate John Cena to.His gimmick is so outdated.It would work in the 1990s.not now.

ZariusTwo

03-22-2005, 11:21 PM

Agrees I hate John Cena to.His gimmick is so outdated.It would work in the 1990s.not now.

The sad truth is, both Cena and Batista can't wrestle a damn lick, except there so popular, the've been pushed into the main event scene before there even ready, Batista shows an eagerness to improve in different ways, but Cena is just completly unmotivated.

J.B.L is'nt a worthwhile choice as champion either, but he's a better worker than Cena currently is.

ZodiacAngel

03-23-2005, 04:09 AM

The sad truth is, both Cena and Batista can't wrestle a damn lick, except there so popular, the've been pushed into the main event scene before there even ready, Batista shows an eagerness to improve in different ways, but Cena is just completly unmotivated.

J.B.L is'nt a worthwhile choice as champion either, but he's a better worker than Cena currently is.

I have to agree with you on all points.

If John Cena wants to be champion so back, he should concentrate on his wrestling skills, not his so called "rapping" skills.

GK Punk

03-23-2005, 04:21 AM

I'm just curious. I'd like to know what everyone's dream list of Champions would be, including people in the title scene, using the current Rosters and Titles.

RAW:

World Heavyweight Champion: Jericho
Contender lists: Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Batista, Edge, Christian, Orton, Benoit and Kane. Of course, the title should be bounced back and forth semi often between any combination of those people. I may be Jericho biased, but I can't help it :P

Intercontinental Champion: Matt Hardy (Asuming he stays on RAW)
Contender lists: Shelton Benjamin, "Sugar" Shane Helms (Revert him back to his WCW Gimmick it was OVER) William Regal, Tajiri, and several of the World Title Contenders to make the IC Title seem that Important.

I'll ignore the Tag, and Women's titles, as there is practically no Tag Teams or Women's stars... Someone Bring Alexis Laree up from OVW!

Smackdown:

WWE Title: Eddie Guerrero
JBL, Cena, The Big Show, Booker T, Rey Mysterio, the Undertaker Kurt Angle, RVD

US Champion: Billy Kidman
Hardcore Holly, Chavo Guerrero, Jindrak, Carlito (as well as the list of WWE title contenders)

JameO

03-23-2005, 10:34 AM

World Heavyweight Champion: Benoit
Intercontinental Champion: Shelton Benjamin
WWE Title: John Cena
US Champion: Eddie Guerrero

And also Zarius, you suck. Simple but effective.

ZodiacAngel

03-23-2005, 10:47 AM

My list of champions:

World Heavyweight Championship: Chris Benoit
My other picks: Edge, Christian, Batista. Shawn Michaels

Intercontinental Championship:Shelton Benjamin
My other picks: Matt Hardy, Steven Richards.

WWE Championship: Eddie Guerrero
My other picks: JBL, Kurt Angle, Booker T.

US Championship: Carlito Caribbean Cool
My other picks: Rob Van Dam, Rene Dupree.

ZariusTwo

03-23-2005, 02:29 PM

And also Zarius, you suck. Simple but effective.

"Effective?" you could'nt have put a dent in a wall with that remark, thanks for showing just how narrow-minded marks for John "Two move wonder" Cena are when somebody expresses an opinion.

Did you see other marks for Cena like Allyson react to that line I made huh? NO, because she's you know...mature enough to respect my thoughts on Cena and continued the conversation, YOU did'nt

Cena sucks. Fact of life. Deal with it

JameO

03-23-2005, 03:57 PM

Well, it is called a joke, deal with it and stop being a SOB. And to make matters worse, Alison is not a chick. But if you want to think of him that way then be my guest.

Peanut

03-23-2005, 04:22 PM

World Heavyweight Championship: CHRISTIAN!
Contenders: HHH, Kane, Edge, Benoit, Jericho, HBK

Intercontinental Championship: Orton
Contenders: Batista, Shelton, Snitsky, Chris Masters, Maven

WWE Heavyweight Championship: John Cena
Contenders: JBL, Eddie, Angle, Big Show, Undertaker

US Championship: RVD
Contenders: Orlando, Mysterio, Booker T, Carlito, Jindrak, Dupree

KROW

03-24-2005, 12:10 AM

Since when is saying someone sucks a joke, JameO? :roll:

I.C. Champion: Maven
Others: Shelton Benjamin, Christian, Tajiri, Matt Hardy

U.S. Champion: RVD
Others: Mark Jindrak, JBL, Orlando Jordan, Hardcore Holly

Cruiserweight Champion: Spike Dudley
Others: Rey Mysterio, Paul London, Chavo Guerrero, Super Crazy (when he gets there)

As for the World Titles, I'd rather they unify the belts again, making one World Title, thereby having the champion exclusive to both brands, which was a good concept. Also, the Royal Rumble would make more sense and not be so damn confusing and frustrating.

World Champion: Chris Jericho
Others: Booker T, Kurt Angle, Edge, Chris Benoit, Randy Orton, Eddie Guerrero, RVD, Undertaker, and... why not? Christian. I think he's ready for a shot.

ZariusTwo

03-24-2005, 11:12 AM

Since when is saying someone sucks a joke, JameO? :roll:

It was a joke?

I apologise if it was

Jet-ski_Ninja

03-24-2005, 12:54 PM

World Heavy Weight Champion: Chris Benoit
Contenders: Randy Orton, Edge, Batista, HHH, Kane, HBK, Y2J

IC: Simon Dean (lol!) :D
Contenders: Shelton Benjamin, Gene Snitsky, Muhamad Hassan, Maven, Christian

WWE Champion: The Undertaker
Contenders: Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, John Cena, Booker T

US Champion: Mark Jindrak(Maybe)
Contenders: Carlito Caribean Cool, Kenzo Suzuki, RVD

ZariusTwo

03-24-2005, 02:38 PM

World Heavy Weight Champion: Chris Benoit
Contenders: Randy Orton, Edge, Batista, HHH, Kane, HBK, Y2J

IC: Simon Dean (lol!) :D
Contenders: Shelton Benjamin, Gene Snitsky, Muhamad Hassan, Maven, Christian[/COLOR]

Too bad Dean's chracter restricts his excellent wrestling ability, otherwise he'd be deserving of the World Championship.

Christian is far above the IC belt now, unfortunatly, managment refuses to acknowledge that.

Undertaker's a dinosaur, and is only holding people down, remember when he was putting over guys like Lesnar cleanly? Where the hell is THAT Undertaker? Someone who elevates somebody?

Peanut

03-29-2005, 07:52 PM

I thought RAW was ok last night. The match with Benoit was awesome though. I didn't catch all of it, but I would have expected a little better for the last one before WM though.

GK Punk

04-03-2005, 01:09 PM

Happy Wrestlemania Everyone! It;s the most magical day of the year!!!

ZodiacAngel

04-03-2005, 04:33 PM

I hope Wrestlemania will be good this year.

What are everybody's picks for the winners of the matches at Wrestlemania 21?

My picks are

World Heavyweight Championship
Triple H verses Batista
My pick: Batista

WWE Championship
JBL verses John Cena
My pick: JBL(I really don't want John Cena to win, but it seems that WWE is pushing Cena to win the belt.)

WWE Women's Championship
Trish Stratus verses Christy Hemme
My pick: Trish Stratus

"Money in the Bank" Ladder Match
(The winner earns a shot at the World Heavyweight Title)
Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho vs. Kane vs. Edge vs. Christian vs. WWE IC Champion Shelton Benjamin
My pick: Anyone but Kane

Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle
My pick: I really don't know. For the sake of choosing, I'll pick Shawn Michaels.

The Undertaker vs. Randy Orton
My pick: I really don't care who wins at this point. I guess The Undertaker.

Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio
My pick: Eddie Guerrero

Sumo Wrestling Challenge
Big Show vs. Akebono
My pick: Don't know, don't care.

The Piper's Pit: with Stone Cold Steve Austin
This will be very interesting.......

Peanut

04-03-2005, 09:10 PM

Thoughts on Wrestlemania? I thought it was pretty cool. There were some really cool moments, and the crowd was pretty good for the most part. Most of the matches were very good. The two main events and the womens match were probably the only ones that weren't up to standards. Very week ending for both title matches. All in all it was pretty good.

ZariusTwo

04-03-2005, 09:26 PM

Great Wrestlemania far better than Wrestlemania 20.

With the exception of the Women's championship match, 'and Batista winning the belt from Hunter, every match was pretty much well booked.

Eddie vs Rey was VERY dissapointing, Eddie looked unmotivated, and Mysterio's always been overated, fourtunatly the ladder match came along and showed them how to have a great match, Benoit broke his shoulder, nose, and cut himself open, and stole the match, Edge winning was the right decision.

Orton vs Undertaker...well...that was a great match, probably 'Takers' greatest match in a long time, but the finish sucked, Orton deserved to end the 'Taker's streak, and that dinosaur STILL did'nt job.

Fourtunatly, Micheals DID job...cleanly...to Angle in one of the greatest wrestling matches ever, seriously, the crowd were behind Angle and Micheals in this classic more than they were with the main event matches, Micheals tapping gained him far more respect.

J.B.L vs Cena was great for what it was, you have to remember...these guys suck, so seven minutes for them is perfect, and the right person won.

Peanut

04-03-2005, 09:31 PM

The only problem I had with the Michaels/Angle match was that it was super slow in the beginning. Real wrestling like that is all well and good, but Michaels putting Angle in a headlock time and time again for 5 minutes was pretty tiring. After that it was pure gold, the ending in particular.

Demented Utrom

04-03-2005, 10:29 PM

The reason Orton lost because he was being punished for his childish backstage antics.

He is also having shoulder sugery and will be out for 6 months.

JameO

04-04-2005, 06:26 AM

All I can say is, way to go Cena! All the matches were pretty crazy except for the women's as usual. It wasn't bad but they ended it terrible. Hulkamania still runnin' wild was pretty cool along with the double stunner. It will never get any better than the way Rick Flair reacts to moves, jumping around screaming "Woo".

That Matt Guy

04-04-2005, 06:26 AM

Wrestlemania could have been better................

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KROW

04-04-2005, 08:56 AM

Wrestlemania could have been better................
You're right...
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But I digress.

I liked Wrestlemania. Despite the boring Women's Title match and the Guerrero/Mysterio match, I was entertained immensely. I'm actually glad Batista won the belt. Let's see how he runs with it. As for Cena, well, at least it's not Bradshaw again. I don't know how long I could tolerate him as the champ any longer. The ladder match was brilliant. Benjamin's skipping along the rungs to deliver a clothesline was a great display of athleticism.

I'm also glad that Orton lost. I'm a big 'Taker fan, and I do see Orton's in-ring ability for what it is, but for 'Taker to lose wouldn't feel right. I thought the match wasn't that bad. I liked Orton's reversals and counters through it, but the interference of his father ruined the bout.

My favorite moment, though, was without doubt Piper's Pit. I might be the biggest Piper fan out there (I haven't met one more than me yet) and to see him back after his Smackdown stint was great. Him slapping Austin, welcoming him to his world, and getting smacked right back, only to smile and say, "I kinda like ya" was a definite highlight. Although I was half-expecting him to hit that menstrual cramp Carlito with the apple core a la Snuka and the coconut shell back in the day.

Great Wrestlemania, though. :thumbsup:

Lisardo

04-05-2005, 01:17 PM

I actually enjoyed WM 21. I think I like it better than WM 20 even. Most of the results were great, esp. in the Batista/Tripple H match, the Undertaker/Orton match, and the JBL/Cena match. I thought the Piper's Pit with Stone Cold Steve Austin, and the surprize visit by Carlito was 'cool'. Lastly having Hulk Hogan show up to kick the hell outta Muhammad Hussain and do his "one more match", as the audience yelled and begged for the night before on the Hall of Fame induction ceremony, was awesome too! It's too bad that Eugene was too hurt to say "Hi" to Hogan since he's prolly his hero, as Eugene immitates him alot. Can't wait till my dad comes home to visit cuz we taped it for him and he loves Undertaker. I think he'll be quite pleased with the outcome of that match!

XERO

04-05-2005, 01:57 PM

I'm glad that 'Taker won. Orton never had a chance. 8)

ZariusTwo

04-05-2005, 02:19 PM

There possibly going to have a rematch at Summerslam when Orton returns, only with Orton beating the stale dinosaur.

Peanut

04-05-2005, 03:12 PM

There possibly going to have a rematch at Summerslam when Orton returns, only with Orton beating the stale dinosaur.

As I believe it should have been last night. Orton should have won and then put the classic "sore winner" steel chair beat down on Taker, just to cement him as a big time heel. Losing to Taker was just pointless for Orton at this point in time.

ZariusTwo

04-05-2005, 03:28 PM

As I believe it should have been last night. Orton should have won and then put the classic "sore winner" steel chair beat down on Taker, just to cement him as a big time heel. Losing to Taker was just pointless for Orton at this point in time.

Apparently the reason he lost was due to his shoulder injury, 'Taker did'nt want to job to a guy doing a half-assed performance, whinlst the truth is that Orton was carrying that idiot to his greatest match in a long time.

Peanut

04-05-2005, 03:33 PM

Apparently the reason he lost was due to his shoulder injury, 'Taker did'nt want to job to a guy doing a half-assed performance, whinlst the truth is that Orton was carrying that idiot to his greatest match in a long time.

Thank GOD! Everyone I've talked to about this has bashed Orton's performance in that match. Why they have, I'll never know! For some reason all my friends are big on the Orton hating.

ZariusTwo

04-05-2005, 04:38 PM

Thank GOD! Everyone I've talked to about this has bashed Orton's performance in that match. Why they have, I'll never know! For some reason all my friends are big on the Orton hating.

Orton has only himself to blame, he's been crapping in Divas's bags and generally being a jerk backstage, but the, he's doing nothing that Shawn Micheals and Ric Flair hav'nt done in thier own careers.

A lot of people like bashing him purly because he flopped as a face, and bored everybody, it's the reason Batista was pushed when even the company realised Orton had flopped.

I really have no distinct problem with The Undertaker that much, but Orton had the proper gimmick that could have given him back the credibility he's been lacking since Hunter took the belt back from him, and 'Taker refused to put him over, it surpsies me that the many people who cry for someone new to be elevated completly turn around when they find out there facing people like The Undertaker "Oh wait...don't elevate him yet, let Undertaker beat him"

Hypocrites. Total hypocrites.