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Spitfire
01-24-2005, 11:40 PM
I saw this one dvdaficionado.com. Their always right so this is exciting to me

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Season 2 1988
Return of Shredder, The 10/1/88
Incredible Shrinking Turtles, The 10/8/88
It Came From Beneath the Sewers 10/15/88
Mean Machines, The 10/22/88
Curse of the Evil Eye 10/29/88
Case of the Killer Pizzas, The 11/15/88
Enter: The Fly 11/12/88
Splinter No More 12/24/88
Teenagers From Dimension X 12/24/88
Invasion of the Punk Frogs 11/19/88
New York's Shiniest 12/10/88
Cat Woman of Channel Six 12/26/88
Return of the Technodrome 12/3/88

Release date: Apr-26-2005

Also saw this one a different site
http://www.dvdempire.com/Exec/v4_item.asp?userid=00000750225065&searchID=461112&item_id=660206
Season 3 of the current show will be on DVD in April

ZariusTwo
01-24-2005, 11:45 PM
Thanks Spitfire

Kazari
01-24-2005, 11:46 PM
Awww I was hoping for more bonus red sky episodes *poutz* I'll still buy the DVD .

Spitfire
01-24-2005, 11:51 PM
With hope they will put the Red Sky episodes on their own season DVD
I like how both DVDs come out in the same month too. Cant wait to see the box art lol

Duke
01-25-2005, 12:38 AM
Well, I thought it'd be all of season 2 and it is so, i'm happy.

MrPliggins
01-25-2005, 05:24 PM
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Season 2 1988
Return of Shredder, The 10/1/88
Incredible Shrinking Turtles, The 10/8/88
It Came From Beneath the Sewers 10/15/88
Mean Machines, The 10/22/88
Curse of the Evil Eye 10/29/88
Case of the Killer Pizzas, The 11/15/88
Enter: The Fly 11/12/88
Splinter No More 12/24/88
Teenagers From Dimension X 12/24/88
Invasion of the Punk Frogs 11/19/88
New York's Shiniest 12/10/88
Cat Woman of Channel Six 12/26/88
Return of the Technodrome 12/3/88
Release date: Apr-26-2005


Are those dates next to each episode? They don't make much sense.
They are all out of order.

Weapon X
01-25-2005, 05:45 PM
Great news, and yeah the episode order is right but whats with the date's :-? and I'm glad theres no "Bonus" "Lost" episodes, episodes I saw that arent "lost" arent a special feature. We need Tv spots and PSA's. :tthumbsu:

Deathknight
01-25-2005, 07:14 PM
does anyone even know for a fact the original order?

Silent FOx
01-25-2005, 07:16 PM
I want extras with commercials! And commentary and stuff. *goes to pray to the tmnt god*

Weapon X
01-25-2005, 07:17 PM
Season 2
6. 01-Oct-1988 Return of the Shredder
7. 08-Oct-1988 The Incredible Shrinking Turtles (1)
8. 15-Oct-1988 It Came From Beneath The Sewers (2)
9. 22-Oct-1988 The Mean Machines (3)
10. 29-Oct-1988 Curse of The Evil Eye (4)
11. 15-Nov-1988 The Case Of The Killer Pizzas
12. 12-Nov-1988 Enter: The Fly
13. 17-Dec-1988 Splinter No More
14. 24-Dec-1988 Teenagers From Dimension X
15. 19-Nov-1988 Invasion of the Punk Frogs
16. 10-Dec-1988 New York's Shiniest
17. 26-Dec-1988 The Cat Woman of Channel Six
18. 03-Dec-1988 Return of the Technodrome

Spitfire
01-25-2005, 11:10 PM
Those were on the site their supposed to be the days the episodes aired I guess. Im not sure that site does that sometimes

azure turtle
01-26-2005, 02:02 AM
Wow, I can't wait to see all of those episodes again! This is very exciting news. For extras, I wish they'd include things like the "Turtle Tips" or even concept art (if any of it still exists). Thanks for sharing the info, spit.

LionO
01-26-2005, 06:42 AM
I can't wait!!! Seriously, I'm so looking forward to seeing this in Best Buy at the end of April. :D

PizzaPower
01-26-2005, 08:05 AM
sweet, to bad there is no release date for when we do get the DVD on Season 2, :-?

Kali
01-26-2005, 12:36 PM
sweet, to bad there is no release date for when we do get the DVD on Season 2, :-?
Release date: Apr-26-2005

MrPliggins
01-26-2005, 07:55 PM
Yeah weapon x, I remember that Teenagers from Dimension X played on Christmas Eve, but I didn't know it was the first airing that I saw. That list of dates looks much more accurate. Still odd how Return of the Technodrome wasn't aired last.

Kazari
01-26-2005, 10:16 PM
http://images.dvdempire.com/gen/movies/661028h.jpg

ZariusTwo
01-26-2005, 11:42 PM
http://images.dvdempire.com/gen/movies/661028h.jpg


...Wow.

...Jesus...f*cking...Christ...that is beutiful.

PenguinCleese
01-26-2005, 11:44 PM
No way if that's the cover art I would freak. that is awesome. This news is also up at TVshowonDVD.com here: http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=2808

They say even DVDempire.com has it up so I'm guessing it's official now? Rock on, I love the company who is releasing them. They deserve more of my money, what else do they produce? Lol.

Spitfire
01-27-2005, 12:37 AM
Artisan is putting them out ^_^

Thanks for posting that Kazari! That does look awesome! I wonder if that means Don and Raph will be on the Season 3 box art

Speaking of...
The first Season came out 4-20-2004
This new one comes out 4-26-2005
So I guess we can expect Season 3 sometime April '06
How many seasons of the orgnial show are there? Maybe they will start putting out the seasons faster if there are alot. One a year might take awhile

MrPliggins
01-27-2005, 05:28 AM
Don and Raph are on the back cover... I like this art much better than season 1!

Kazari
01-27-2005, 06:18 AM
I hope they are! How do you know if Don and Raph are on the back?

Weapon X
01-27-2005, 06:23 AM
That cover art is freaking awsome god I cant wait till April now,nice find. I really hope they keep doing it in this style it'show they should have done season one,but ten again I'm not exactly dissapointed with season one. :)

ZariusTwo
01-27-2005, 11:12 AM
How many seasons of the orgnial show are there?


There were ten seasons, with four episodes from the final season already released alongside the episodes from Season One.

KROW
01-27-2005, 12:50 PM
I wouldn't consider the cover art that great but it is indeed better than the featured art for Season One's release.

BigApple3AM
01-27-2005, 03:33 PM
At first I thought that cover art was terrible with the weird orange background, but when I enlarged the picture (I first saw this on dvd empire) it doesn't actually look too bad, the only beef I have with it is that it looks like a combination of the new style turtles and the old ones. Like they took the new style turtles and added the older colors. Their heads are a bit too small, but that's just the perfectionist in me speaking. This dvd is going to be AMAZING especially if they keep with the full season sets! Doesn't matter if they're out of order since there's really no ongoing story most of the time, but just to have them all together as part of a season is great.

Jed
01-27-2005, 03:40 PM
The cover of season one never bothered me and I really like this one, so I can't wait to pick them both up when I'm in the US this summer. I have 'em on VHS but I hate VHS :P

Anarchistguy
01-27-2005, 04:39 PM
http://images.dvdempire.com/gen/movies/661028h.jpg

It's not that great. The artist just took these two pics and redrew them "old show" style.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/anarchistguy/mike_02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/anarchistguy/don_06.jpg

The guy obviously turned the Don pic into a Leo one.

MrPliggins
01-27-2005, 05:11 PM
I hope they are! How do you know if Don and Raph are on the back?


http://www.dvdtoons.com/news/722

This website shows both the front and back cover, and even the spine.

anarchistguy: interesting..I didn't even realize that. Well, what do you think they took the back cover art from?

Weapon X
01-27-2005, 05:17 PM
Cool and I didn't even think to go there.

Anarchistguy
01-27-2005, 05:39 PM
anarchistguy: interesting..I didn't even realize that. Well, what do you think they took the back cover art from?

I'll show you

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/anarchistguy/s2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/anarchistguy/raph_06.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/anarchistguy/leo_05.jpg

The guy must've turned the Leo pic into a Don one.

Weapon X
01-27-2005, 05:41 PM
I wonder why they couldn't have come up with something original. :ohwell:

MrPliggins
01-27-2005, 09:16 PM
wow, good observations, I would have never noticed. The most obvious one to me is probably Mike because I have seen that pic around.

Spitfire
01-27-2005, 09:17 PM
Well blame the guy they hired to draw it because Im sure they let him do what he wanted

CyberCubed
01-27-2005, 09:34 PM
I wonder why they couldn't have come up with something original. :ohwell:

Isn't it obvious? They're trying to make the Turtles look more serious, to appeal to the kids watching the new Turtle show.

The Season 1 DVD had the TMNT looking a little TOO "happy and goofy" looking. This Season 2 cover makes them look a bit more serious, so an 8 year old watching TMNT on Cartoon Network will be interested in seeing the old series based on the cover art.

It's all marketing. Why do you think the back of the Season 1 DVD had the first two lines of the new show theme song?

They're trying to get the kids watching the new TMNT today, to buy the old toon DVDs.

ZariusTwo
01-27-2005, 09:38 PM
Season Two is pretty damn thrilling to an extent, so the serious look of the cover is a neccesity either way

Weapon X
01-27-2005, 09:41 PM
Isn't it obvious? They're trying to make the Turtles look more serious, to appeal to the kids watching the new Turtle show.

The Season 1 DVD had the TMNT looking a little TOO "happy and goofy" looking. This Season 2 cover makes them look a bit more serious, so an 8 year old watching TMNT on Cartoon Network will be interested in seeing the old series based on the cover art.

It's all marketing. Why do you think the back of the Season 1 DVD had the first two lines of the new show theme song?

They're trying to get the kids watching the new TMNT today, to buy the old toon DVDs.

I fully agree except the old toon was "happy and goofy" after the second and third seson it pretty much went on without much fighting. So kid's today that are watching the new too with the "Serious" tone might be dissapointed with the goofyness.

CyberCubed
01-27-2005, 09:43 PM
I fully agree except the old toon was "happy and goofy" after the second and third seson it pretty much went on without much fighting. So kid's today that are watching the new too with the "Serious" tone might be dissapointed with the goofyness.

Yes, but kids today don't know what the old toon was like. Kids today would simply look at the cover of the DVD and think the TMNT will act just like the ones in the new show.

That's the whole reason the art of the DVD mimics the new toons art. They're not only trying to get older fans to buy the DVD for nostalgia, but they want to target to kids as well.

They probably realized the mistake in making the TMNT look too "happy" on the Season 1 boxart.

Weapon X
01-27-2005, 09:45 PM
As long as it's coming out it doesn't matter to me. I'll be watching the episodes not the cover art. :D

LionO
01-27-2005, 10:08 PM
Not bad for the box art. Definetely better than the first season but I still don't understand why they couldn't just use some of the good art they had. The artist ho drew this was pretty lame. Honestly, there are better artists than that, especially ones that don't have to trace over curent illustrations :roll: Anyway, I'll stil pick this up but I don't understand why the majority of 80's cartoon have the cheapest, least imaginative art. it was the best decade for cartoon and they can't come up with anything better? Don't get it.

Weapon X
01-27-2005, 10:10 PM
Yeah but again what ya gonna do? :roll: It's not like you shouldn't pick it up just because of the cover art. ;)

LionO
01-27-2005, 10:32 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm defenitely picking this baby up. Its just a shame that classic 80's cartoons get no justice when it comes to DVD releases. They're treated like trash.


I like Hanna Barabara's boxes. They have the plastic cell covering as well as colorful character art that goes all the way around the box. Flinstones, Jetsons. I thought about picking these up just because they have so much appeal let alone their classics as well.

Jester
01-27-2005, 10:47 PM
Don't forget the first DVD had some new tmnt's theme song lyrics on the back....the 3rd season will have the new toon logo at this rate....:(

ZariusTwo
01-27-2005, 10:58 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm defenitely picking this baby up. Its just a shame that classic 80's cartoons get no justice when it comes to DVD releases. They're treated like trash.

Last time I checked, the Transformers box sets were given a lot of good features and extras...

Weapon X
01-27-2005, 11:07 PM
Yes "Transformers". :P

Anarchistguy
01-27-2005, 11:29 PM
Last time I checked, the Transformers box sets were given a lot of good features and extras...

I think G.I. Joe did too. Am I wrong?

Jed
01-28-2005, 05:11 AM
Not that it really bothers me or would stop me buying it, but why is Raph orange?!

Weapon X
01-28-2005, 06:16 AM
If you look really close he's darker than Mike, but I agree he does look a bit orange.

Bry
01-28-2005, 01:52 PM
but why is Raph orange?!

He isn't. The problem is that whoever scanned the back cover messed up the hue. This is what it should really look like:

http://www.brydude.com/tmnts2case.jpg

TheRATKING
01-28-2005, 03:06 PM
cant wait for this thing to come out. it sucks that they didnt come up with there own poses but its still cool. lazy artists, but i guess i can relate to that :D

LionO
01-28-2005, 08:32 PM
Last time I checked, the Transformers box sets were given a lot of good features and extras...

The extras features were great but where are the commercials? Every fan would have loved watching the commercials and that itself would have been nirvana to fans. The boxes themselves were alright but plain. Aside from them being so fragile that every finger nail mark or scratch gets magnified 10 times. They screwed up the intro for Season One by adding extra effects as well as adding extra mistakes on some of the episodes. The art work within the box was also a let down. I still enjoy watching them but I think they could have done better.

LionO
01-28-2005, 08:37 PM
I think G.I. Joe did too. Am I wrong?

I don't know, I don't buy them (was't a big fan as a kid :ohwell: ) watched them back when they were on Cartoon Nerwork though but I don't like them enough to spend the cash to buy all the sets currently out.

Shadow Leonardo
01-31-2005, 09:58 AM
how much will this cost? The same as the first one or slighty bit more expensive? :-?

KROW
01-31-2005, 10:06 AM
how much will this cost? The same as the first one or slighty bit more expensive? :-?
Hmm... 13 episodes, one disc...

I think it's a safe bet to say that it will cost the same. Even if it's a bit more costly, it shouldn't reach anywhere above $22.95.

MrPliggins
01-31-2005, 01:01 PM
I read somewhere the SRP is $14.99.

moonfog
01-31-2005, 08:55 PM
cool cover, did anyone mention the arm pads are brown? dont know why but it bothers me.
I payed in excess of 20US on ebay for the first dvd because it didnt get released in Australia, now im in the process of d/ling all 193 episodes from torrents...

J Legault
02-01-2005, 09:13 AM
I heard news about this, and sounds good to me. I knew there'll be a season DVD of TMNT old series.

I know I never seen these episodes before. I can see this is the season when they start to show more mutated animals and first debut of Irma.

I'm surprise they're able to fit 13 episodes into on disc, mostly you see 2 discs with that many over 13.

Anyways I'll sure to get it around Easter and end up having 22 episodes in total on DVD! :D

Weapon X
02-01-2005, 04:57 PM
Now we have season three to wait for. Sence there's 47 episodes in season three they will either do multi disk or seperate season three since there doing them by "Volume's" in stead of "Season's". :ohwell:

J Legault
02-01-2005, 05:15 PM
Question which season did mikey start using his Grappling Hock instead of his Nuckchas? I notice he still has them on the cover of Season 2.

Weapon X
02-01-2005, 05:17 PM
Question which season did mikey start using his Grappling Hock instead of his Nuckchas? I notice he still has them on the cover of Season 2.

I beleive it was season 5 1991,but I'm not sure and I'm also not sure where to exactly find out.

cormano
02-01-2005, 11:37 PM
WOO

I don't like the cover art, but honestly, I didn't expect a full season release, so I'm happy either way. Season two is ALMOST as good as season one. I hope they all get released, but these two seasons are the only ones I consider really "essential." I have all of them on cd-r, but I needed these two seasons at full quality!

Weapon X
02-02-2005, 06:23 AM
Can someone please explain to me why there's so many people who didn't think it was going to be a full season set,it's only 13 freakin episode's you might have more to worry about with season 3 but thats even if they keep releasing them and they probably will.

Jester
02-02-2005, 08:52 AM
yep...season 3, which is what....46 episodes.....yozza.....either it's gonna be multi volume or multi disk....cause that's a lotta episodes....but if they can get 13 episodes on a disk, sans features.....it'd only take 4 disks.....:P

cormano
02-02-2005, 03:09 PM
Can someone please explain to me why there's so many people who didn't think it was going to be a full season set,it's only 13 freakin episode's you might have more to worry about with season 3 but thats even if they keep releasing them and they probably will.cuz the first set wasn't labeled "season 1" or "volume 1" even. I had doubts whether there would be another dvd at all. Also, releasing four episodes on the dvd as "bonus material" showed me even more that they didn't seem to care about releasing season sets.

raphael90
02-09-2005, 03:47 AM
MUCH better artwork in my opinion...I like it. Not so cheesy as the first volume.

TMNT4787
02-11-2005, 01:12 PM
Hey. I saw this awhile back and I was able to order it for $9.99 from some site. I read in the article that the episode on season 2 will be in order by production and it will be labled volumne 2 because they will be doing volumne sets from now on because the season are 2 big. Season three and probly the next couple will be broken into volumes. Can't wait till 4/26/05

Deathknight
02-12-2005, 09:09 PM
Hopefully not too many volumes. I really don't want to be buying 4 or more volumes for a season. The Gi Joe seasons were just as big and they were divided into 2 parts each which sounds about right to me for TMNT.

Head Spinnin' Bebop
02-12-2005, 09:24 PM
I hope we don't have to wait another year to get season three. It would be cool if they had like Season Three Volume 1, released in October and Season Three Volume 2 released in like February/March. :tthumbsu: I don't see why they can't just have more than one disk either. Season two is listed as coming with 2 disks, according to tvshowsondvd anyway.

Now that it looks like the first release was popular enough to warrant more, one DVD a year is kinda long to wait for a show that went as long as TMNT went and you're wanting to complete the series. Awesome to be getting the DVDs, so many eps I forget or some I havent even seen. I love watching them all again! :tcool:

Turtledude2k3
02-13-2005, 07:01 PM
If you heard on some of the other threads, there is indeed finally the release of season 2 of the original teenage mutant ninja turtles cartoon.

April 26 is the date.

Now the question remains.. why did the 2nd season take so long to be released? and why!!!?

If you all rememeber I wrote the offical thread for season1 dvd of the tmnt.
Please write anythign related to the dvd on here if you can! I'll make the offical thread soon!

Weapon X
02-13-2005, 07:07 PM
Posted at Tvshowsondvd.com on 1/26/2005

The 289 min DVD will include English stereo sound, and a 1.33:1 picture. DVDEmpire has cover art on their site, but we'll try and get some unmodified artwork from Lions Gate directly. We were unable to get ahold of anyone at the studio to ask about special features; DVDEmpire doesn't list any. The SRP for the disc is $14.98, though Empire is preselling it for just $9.89.

1/30/2005

Just a few days ago we pleased to pass along info posted at DVDEmpire.com about the second DVD release of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (the original 1987 series). According to the online e-tailer, it arrives on April 26th at an SRP of $14.98, but you can pre-order it right away for a mere $9.89!

The listing at DVDEmpire shows cover art that says "Season 2", and lists a 289 minute run time for 13 episodes. We headed over to EpGuides.com and verified that the 2nd season did indeed show only 13 episodes, the same ones we listed last time in airdate order. But now Lions Gate has provided front and rear cover art for this release, and there were three things of interest that were revealed:

1) instead of calling this "Season 2", the box reveals that the accurate title is going to be Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Volume 2 instead. Considering that the 3rd season ramps up to 47 epsiodes, and the per-season episode count is erratic from year to year, it makes sense that Lions Gate would plan to break the future releases into "Volumes" rather than "Seasons".

2) The listing of episodes on the back of the box shows that these will be ordered on the DVD by production date, rather than airdate.

3) There will be no bonus episodes or any other special features on this release, which differs from the first DVD.

Deathknight
02-13-2005, 07:47 PM
No special features? Oh come on, what a rip off. Oh well, at least we're getting the eps. Next time, they should interview David Wise or some of the other writers.

CyberCubed
02-13-2005, 08:55 PM
Be greatful the original cartoon is coming to DVD in the first place, Artisan could have just stopped after the first DVD, but because of good sales it seems that they're continuing the series. Extras are a dream though.

I bet Season 3 will be broken into two seperate DVD releases though, there are over 35 episodes.

Weapon X
02-13-2005, 09:07 PM
The best special features would be Tv spots,commercials,the PSA's,and commentary.

Head Spinnin' Bebop
02-13-2005, 09:23 PM
Well, tvshowsondvd still have volume two listed as a two disk set, you never know what can show up. http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/releaseinfo.cfm?ReleaseID=4515

I'd love to see all of season three come out at once on a multiple disk set and if not, at least have it where we don't have to wait so long for the next. Have volume 3 and 4 come out in the same year or better yet, something like volume 2 and 3 this year and 4 and 5 in 2006!

ZariusTwo
02-13-2005, 10:42 PM
I have two-disc Bucky O'Haire and Visionaries DVDs, and the only extras on them are crappy biographies and the episode scripts, the CGI Bucky O'Harie short did'nt even come with the set I had.

Krang
02-14-2005, 02:22 AM
If you all rememeber I wrote the offical thread for season1 dvd of the tmnt.
Please write anythign related to the dvd on here if you can! I'll make the offical thread soon!I appreciate the effort, but let's please keep all discussion related to the season 2 TMNT DVD in one thread since it's more organized that way. :) Once the DVD is released, feel free to start a new official thread for feedback and reviews.

Turtledude2k3
02-14-2005, 06:34 PM
I'm the one who created the offical thread for the season1 tmnt dvd so I should be the one to create the 2nd season!

ZariusTwo
02-14-2005, 07:24 PM
I'm the one who created the offical thread for the season1 tmnt dvd so I should be the one to create the 2nd season!

Bring out the parade, it's Captain Attention.

You have no claim on exclusivly creating a Season Two DVD thread just because you started the first one, and given how irritating you've been with posting the same topic about a billion times, why should we let you?

Shreddette
02-15-2005, 08:30 PM
Yaaay finally!
I can't wait to get all 3. I should probably go out and get season one soon. I'll probably buy it with the new ones. That'll rawk.

PizzaPower
02-17-2005, 09:22 AM
I think that Volume 2 or Season 2 of the old toon is going to be all 13 eps, and if you read the reviews on the sites telling about the dvd they say its season 2, and season 1 was volume 1. Jeesh some people are never happy.

TMNT4787
02-18-2005, 01:16 PM
I have two-disc Bucky O'Haire and Visionaries DVDs, and the only extras on them are crappy biographies and the episode scripts, the CGI Bucky O'Harie short did'nt even come with the set I had.

Where did you get the Buckey O Hare. That was one of my favorites growing up.

ZariusTwo
02-18-2005, 02:48 PM
Where did you get the Buckey O Hare. That was one of my favorites growing up.

It's availible exclusivly in the U.K, we're also getting a M.A.S.K DVD Box set in September.

Jasta3xB
02-22-2005, 01:39 AM
tightness... its about time they brought more. the first DVD was too short.

PizzaPower
02-22-2005, 11:36 AM
THe first DVD was short, but it was only the first season. I cannot wait untill season 2 comes out on DVD. It is killing me!

audman
02-24-2005, 08:29 AM
This is going to be a great year. TMNT season 2 and thundercats coming and possibly he-man the old series. Many reasons to say I love 2005

Kazari
02-24-2005, 09:16 AM
I miss 1994 LOL

Spitfire
02-24-2005, 12:15 PM
This is going to be a great year. TMNT season 2 and thundercats coming and possibly he-man the old series. Many reasons to say I love 2005
But the question is can it make up for how bad the movies were last year? Probly not lol
But 2005 is looking promiseing. I mean DMC 3 and RE 4 in the same year. Not to mention all the TMNT DVDs and suchs. Pretty cool

SS Kakarot
02-25-2005, 08:05 AM
It's availible exclusivly in the U.K, we're also getting a M.A.S.K DVD Box set in September.

That's awesome, but where did you find the information?

TMNT 100
03-03-2005, 12:25 PM
Don't forget the first DVD had some new tmnt's theme song lyrics on the back....the 3rd season will have the new toon logo at this rate....:(

They better not change the old logo to the new logo that would suck and it would confuse us a lot especially for those who only want the old toon.

Lisardo
03-03-2005, 12:56 PM
Alright, 'bout dang time!