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ZariusTwo
02-02-2005, 11:56 PM
Enterprise is DEAD.
Cancelled.
Gone.
Bye-bye.
Aurevoir
Rest in Peace.
...About time as well, as decent as the series was FINALLY becoming under Manny Choto, it was too little, too late, DAMN Berman and Braga for not stepping down earlier, lord knows they did far more damage to the franchise during Voyager's Fourth Season, and did'nt stop after that.
The new series of Battlestar Galactica, (which the U.K saw in it's entirty first) in thirteen episodes, showed Star Trek how to do seven years.
Anarky
02-03-2005, 06:29 AM
Sad for all the trekkies out there, but I never really got into the series. I mean, DS9 was great and Voyager had me hooked. I wathch TOS whenever I can and sometimes I even see a TNG-ep. But I don't even care about enterprise...
damnhooligan
02-03-2005, 08:36 AM
Countdown to a ranting email from my father about how the world is an evil, evil place in 5, 4, 3, 2...
I've not really kept abreast of Enterprise, but what few episodes I have seen lately seem more formulaic than any series before it. If I had a bar of gold pressed latinum every time an energy conduit is ruptured, a warp core gets breeched or the dilithium crystals go wonky again, I could be retired by now and kickin' it on Haven for the rest of my days.
Spitfire
02-03-2005, 09:10 AM
I didnt really care for the show to much. Shows like that kinda bore me really. Ive seen alot of it thanks to my Dad so I know Ill have to hear about it. He likes the new Battlestar show and Star Gate so maybe he wont complain as much
Jester
02-03-2005, 09:33 AM
wow...were any trekies into Enterprise....i didn't watch cause i feel it threw all the past history of Star Trek, Kirk and the like, out the window....:( but maybe this means a new better trek series can rise like a phoenix from the ashes...sorry....i want a good star trek series on tv fo as long as i live....
ZariusTwo
02-03-2005, 10:12 AM
Voyager was great until they replaced Kes with Seven of Nine and made The Borg Janeway's b*chies, the show just got extremly repetetive, and started relying on apperances from classic characters for ratings, the Pathehfinder episodes were great though, and there should have been more made out of contact with Earth.
Enterprise became slightly darker in Season Three...with more of a purpose, but really, who wants to see a prequel series distract itself by going into the Delphic Expanse, a place NO TREK FAN HAS HEARD OF, and wasting an entire season there?
I've heard Berman and Bragga are writing the finale...great, just great.
Stargate owns Star Trek
ZariusTwo
02-03-2005, 12:28 PM
Poor Scott Bakula.
Doctor Sam Beckett never returned home
Nah, this is great news, now Bakula can work even more on the upcoming revival of Quantum Leap (he'll be a recurring character in the series, but will have a major role in the new movie "A Bold Leap Forward")
DrSpengler
02-03-2005, 12:40 PM
Anyone else see that episode of Family Guy...
"Al, why haven't I leapt yet!?"
"Ziggy says she has to love you back."
"I'll do it..."
Mondo J. Gecko
02-03-2005, 01:07 PM
:ohwell:
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Have to say I'm not suprised by this cancellation... Enterprise wasn't that well done... and the cast wasn't that amazing... and the story was confusing if you've ever watched the Original Star Treks... oh well... Battlestar Galattica is a much better series... The new ones anyways... very well written...
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:ohwell:
Even though I’m a born and raised Star Trek fan, I never got into this series. I stopped watching Voyager regularly somewhere in the middle of the series, as well.
Even my father, whom I get my love of the franchise from, didn’t seem too impressed after the first seasons. Had me stop recording them on days he worked late.
Demented Utrom
02-05-2005, 11:54 PM
What killed the show was scott backula.The doofus from Q leap show.
ZariusTwo
02-06-2005, 12:00 AM
What killed the show was scott backula.The doofus from Q leap show.
Errr...shut up, he was'nt the problem, and when will you EVER start contributing something that makes ANY sense?
Quantium Leap was far superior to Enterprise
Jester
02-06-2005, 10:10 AM
I loved quantum leap....but i never could get myself to watch enterprise just fo bacula....oh well...like i said maybe a new good trek series can come to the for front....maybe a kind of the "Lost Stories of Trek" no regular cast, just a collection of shows that take place between the diffrent series...the unsung heros of the trek universe....maybe...
ThirdMarioBro
02-18-2005, 08:09 PM
Star Trek: Enterprise Cancelled!
After four seasons, Star Trek: Enterprise has reached the end of its mission ...
PRESS RELEASE
UPN and Paramount Network Television have jointly announced that this will be the final season of Star Trek: Enterprise on UPN. [Production will continue until the end of this season, which will finish shooting in March.] The series finale will air on Friday, May 13, 2005.
"Star Trek has been an important part of UPN's history, and Enterprise has carried on the tradition of its predecessors with great distinction," said Dawn Ostroff, President, Entertainment, UPN. "We'd like to thank Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and an incredibly talented cast for creating an engaging, new dimension to the Star Trek universe on UPN, and we look forward to working with them, and our partners at Paramount Network Television, on a send-off that salutes its contributions to The Network and satisfies its loyal viewers."
David Stapf, President of Paramount Network Television, said, "The creators, stars and crew of Star Trek: Enterprise ambitiously and proudly upheld the fine traditions of the Star Trek franchise. We are grateful for their contributions to the legacy of Trek and commend them on completing nearly 100 exciting, dramatic and visually stunning episodes. All of us at Paramount warmly bid goodbye to Enterprise, and we all look forward to a new chapter of this enduring franchise in the future."
A prequel to the original "Star Trek" series, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE premiered on UPN on Sept. 26, 2001, and aired for its first three seasons on Wednesdays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT). On Oct. 8, 2004, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE moved into its current time on Fridays (8:00-9:00PM, ET/PT). Through its four-year run, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE produced a total of 98 episodes and earned four Emmy Awards.
Well, that was the last one. After bailing out on Saturday morning, this was the final American show I watched (TMNT on DVD) on actual TV. Now that it's dying, I officially am giving up american television. Goodbye Star Trek, it was nice knowing you. Hello video games full time.
There was already a thread about this.
http://www.thetechnodrome.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11567
That there was. No need for this. Thread closedz0r.
GK Punk
02-18-2005, 08:56 PM
Threads merged ;)
Bested by AC. I'm going to go kill myself now. :cry:
GK Punk
02-18-2005, 09:02 PM
This is fun... we should all constantly work on one-upping eachother....
Or you could get on Yahoo and we can talk about the days of old...
Voltron
02-18-2005, 10:24 PM
Or you could get back on topic! Hmph...some mods you two are. :P
I don't care if it's cancelled now. I got my answer to the "Great Klingon Mystery" that's been causing me to pull my hair out for years. I know in reality it was a matter of budget and current makeup technology, but I really wanted an in-show explanation.
ThirdMarioBro
02-19-2005, 02:22 PM
Yeah, but still. I'm done with American TV. Star Trek was the only thing holding me on.
ZariusTwo
02-19-2005, 02:33 PM
I don't care if it's cancelled now. I got my answer to the "Great Klingon Mystery" that's been causing me to pull my hair out for years. I know in reality it was a matter of budget and current makeup technology, but I really wanted an in-show explanation.
Now THAT was the most respectful thing given to Star Trek in years, taking the time to acknowledge a budget flop as a legit occurence is something Enterprise should have done more frequently
Andrew NDB
03-04-2020, 03:18 PM
Just got through re-watching all of season 1. Maybe it's because of me dealing with STD seasons 1 and 2 and... let's just say, eh, "large parts" of STP, but I really had a whole different viewing experience this time around. I mean, I never hated ENT but I seem to recall really not being crazy about season 1 and 2.
Some really interesting moral dilemmas at times. In one, on a planet with two races, Archer has to decide if he saves the more advanced one that's dying out... or do nothing and let them die in order to allow the less advanced race a chance to thrive. It's interesting.
They definitely pushed things way too fast at the start of the season. After the third episode or so, it already feels like they've been in space forever and used to everything.
The Suliban storyline and the Temporal Cold War that Paramount forced them to do is interesting at times, but other times it feels just that... forced. Like almost at the end of the season, they finally make it to Risa (which they'd been talking about going for 2-3 episodes) and Archer's story is just Suliban, Suliban, Suliban. When all I really wanted to see in it is the crew letting their hair down and having fun. There's a little bit of that... but just for Hoshi. For everyone else, all bad. Like Trip and Malcolm meet 2 girls and it ends up they're dudes who just rob them.
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-04-2020, 04:14 PM
Some really interesting moral dilemmas at times. In one, on a planet with two races, Archer has to decide if he saves the more advanced one that's dying out... or do nothing and let them die in order to allow the less advanced race a chance to thrive. It's interesting.
The Suliban storyline and the Temporal Cold War that Paramount forced them to do is interesting at times, but other times it feels just that... forced. Like almost at the end of the season, they finally make it to Risa (which they'd been talking about going for 2-3 episodes) and Archer's story is just Suliban, Suliban, Suliban.
Was that the Phlox dilemma episode? That's a good one.
I personally really enjoyed the Suliban / Temporal Cold War story arcs, and wish they hadn't been dropped by the wayside eventually. Still no conclusion as to who Future Guy was. (Though theories abound...)
For me, the best parts of Enterprise are the Andorians and the Vulcans (and Tellarites). Great stuff.
Galactus
03-05-2020, 01:31 AM
Watching things like Voyager and Enterprise now in a completely different context you definitely appreciate them more than when they were first airing.
Voyager seemed to figure out the show it was supposed to be midway through season 3 and really became the best version of itself in Season 4 onwards.
Problem is it coincided with the television landscape significantly shifting towards less cutsey episodic tv towards more serious arc driven shows. The writing of Voyager even in it's new found imperial phase seemed stodgy and out of date by comparison.
There's also the fact that the best of Voyager rarely stacked up against the best of TNG. It often felt you were watching the same show but with better fx and lesser writing. Fans begged Berman and Braga to fix these problems to do arcs and trust your audience to follow, give your characters other than Seven and the Doctor growth, exploit the show's unique points like The Maquis more than one obligatory episode a year. Berman and Braga just seemed to dismiss these valid complaints as Trekkie nitpicking and the relationship between them and the fans became toxic.
Enterprise made some baby steps into addressing some of these issues but frankly it was too little too late.
Was that the Phlox dilemma episode? That's a good one.
I personally really enjoyed the Suliban / Temporal Cold War story arcs, and wish they hadn't been dropped by the wayside eventually. Still no conclusion as to who Future Guy was. (Though theories abound...)
For me, the best parts of Enterprise are the Andorians and the Vulcans (and Tellarites). Great stuff.
Dear Doctor is a good one. Not sure I agree with the outcome. Even if Phlox was right that the evolving Menk were to become the dominant species on the planet why did they think that saving the then more evolved but dying Valakians would impede that or that they would even want to?
Had this been a Voyager episode we would have likely found out that the Valakians were bad guys exploiting the poor Menk and so justify the decision they should die off. The fact that you can actually debate the ending to Dear Doctor is to it's credit.
Wasn't a huge fan of the Temporal Cold War episodes other than the one the Tholians. It was clear they no real plan and didn't know we're they were going with it. It was no suprise to learn years later they had no idea who Future Guy was.
Sumac
03-05-2020, 02:29 PM
Holy mother of necroposts!
I have nothing else to say, since I haven't watched anything Star Trek, except for JJ movies and an old movie about "Viger".
Maybe I should.
Andrew NDB
03-05-2020, 02:41 PM
Was that the Phlox dilemma episode? That's a good one.
Yeah! Where he makes the cure but doesn't want Archer to hand it over.
I personally really enjoyed the Suliban / Temporal Cold War story arcs, and wish they hadn't been dropped by the wayside eventually. Still no conclusion as to who Future Guy was. (Though theories abound...)
If it was up to me, I'd put STD to some good and wrap that up somehow. They can even get back James Horan, who played him. A very nice guy, btw, who played a badass on Highlander.
Watching things like Voyager and Enterprise now in a completely different context you definitely appreciate them more than when they were first airing.
Absolutely. And especially after such a drought of any "real" Trek for so long.
There's also the fact that the best of Voyager rarely stacked up against the best of TNG.
The best of VOY rarely stacked up against even some of the middle of the road episodes of TNG. But it was never BAD, IMHO, it just kept an even keel of "OK."
It often felt you were watching the same show but with better fx and lesser writing. Fans begged Berman and Braga to fix these problems to do arcs and trust your audience to follow, give your characters other than Seven and the Doctor growth, exploit the show's unique points like The Maquis more than one obligatory episode a year. Berman and Braga just seemed to dismiss these valid complaints as Trekkie nitpicking and the relationship between them and the fans became toxic.
Huh. I'd never heard that or I've forgotten that.
Enterprise made some baby steps into addressing some of these issues but frankly it was too little too late.
I think the biggest "problem" with ENT, is that it was in too much of a hurry to dive right into telling exactly the same kinds of stories as VOY and TNG. Like you could almost take any script from ENT season 1 (or 2, if memory serves), swap in the various TNG or VOY characters and it'd be about the same. Which I guess is true of even "Dear Doctor," I guess (like, replace Phlox with the Doctor and Archer with Janeway... it could be the same episode), but I don't mind because it's so good.
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if 90% of the scripts for season 1 and 2 were rejected and repurposed scripts from TNG and VOY, pulled out of the drawer.
Dear Doctor is a good one. Not sure I agree with the outcome. Even if Phlox was right that the evolving Menk were to become the dominant species on the planet why did they think that saving the then more evolved but dying Valakians would impede that or that they would even want to?
They said the Valakians would somehow keep the Menk suppressed and prevent them from flourishing.
I have nothing else to say, since I haven't watched anything Star Trek, except for JJ movies and an old movie about "Viger".
Maybe I should.
You've got a lot to watch. :)
Holy mother of necroposts!
I have nothing else to say, since I haven't watched anything Star Trek, except for JJ movies and an old movie about "Viger".
Maybe I should.
I avoided Enterprise like the plague when it was new. Always felt like it was a step back and unnecessary.
Then I went back and watched it on Netflix years later during a sci-fi dry spell. Easily one of my favorite Treks and the crew easily becomes one of the most likeable crews....
Galactus
03-06-2020, 06:19 AM
I think the biggest "problem" with ENT, is that it was in too much of a hurry to dive right into telling exactly the same kinds of stories as VOY and TNG. Like you could almost take any script from ENT season 1 (or 2, if memory serves), swap in the various TNG or VOY characters and it'd be about the same. Which I guess is true of even "Dear Doctor," I guess (like, replace Phlox with the Doctor and Archer with Janeway... it could be the same episode), but I don't mind because it's so good.
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if 90% of the scripts for season 1 and 2 were rejected and repurposed scripts from TNG and VOY, pulled out of the drawer.
Enterprise seemed to be more of a prequel to the 24th century series than the original Star Trek which makes sense as Braga never really cared for the original series. Allusions to holograms and holographic environments, the Klingons looking and acting like their 24th century counterparts, Fherengi and Borg showing up (although Regeneration was suprinsingly one of the good ones). I even think the Temporal Cold War was a backdoor for possible guest appearances from the 24th century. Deana Troi: Temporal Agent.
They said the Valakians would somehow keep the Menk suppressed and prevent them from flourishing
Phlox compared it to Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens existing on Earth at the same time which was a poor comparison. Both the Menk and Valakians were more evolved than civilised early man. The idea that one would have to die off for the other to thrive seems dodgy.
The implication seemed to be that if the Valakians were still around as the Menk evolved they'd try and suppress them. This doesn't square with Phlox pointing out earlier in the episode that the Menk were not oppressed and were treated ex as well as they wanted. There's no reason to think the Valakians would necessarily try and oppress the Menk. Even if they did they'd likely fight for their civil rights much the same way oppressed minorities on Earth did.
So yeah I was Team Archer on this one until he did his last minute change of heart.
Sumac
03-06-2020, 11:51 AM
You've got a lot to watch. :)
This is the reason, I most likely will never watch it.
I can't even finish last two seasons of Stargate Atlantis, which I've started watching back in 2014. :lol:
Andrew NDB
03-08-2020, 11:32 PM
This is the reason, I most likely will never watch it.
I can't even finish last two seasons of Stargate Atlantis, which I've started watching back in 2014. :lol:
Atlantis was all right... though not much of an ending. Not as frustrating with how Stargate Universe was left.
About halfway into season 2 of Enterprise again. Yeah, I can see it kind of coming off the rails a bit. The episode where Malcolm forgets his communicator on the planet... that was pretty bad. And why couldn't they just lock onto it and transport it away, exactly? The one where T'Pol plays the part of her grandmother in a 1950s episode with Vulcans settling on Earth was decent.
Andrew NDB
03-16-2020, 01:38 AM
More good stuff in season 2! I really dug the episode where Archer ends up sent to Rura Penthe by the Klingons. "The Crossing" was pretty creepy, too, with the giant ship that swallows Enterprise and the energy being replacing the crew. The Enemy Mine sort of episode with Trip on the planet slowly getting hotter was sound. "Cogenitor" with the third gender and Trip being super curious about it probably hasn't aged super well, at least in the eyes of many.
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-16-2020, 09:06 AM
More good stuff in season 2! I really dug the episode where Archer ends up sent to Rura Penthe by the Klingons. "The Crossing" was pretty creepy, too, with the giant ship that swallows Enterprise and the energy being replacing the crew. The Enemy Mine sort of episode with Trip on the planet slowly getting hotter was sound. "Cogenitor" with the third gender and Trip being super curious about it probably hasn't aged super well, at least in the eyes of many.
That Congenitor episode was really similar to the TNG episode where Riker falls in love with a monogender alien or something like that... and it (sorry, don't know appropriate pronouns here) gets sent to conversion therapy at the end of the episode.
Andrew NDB
03-17-2020, 11:45 PM
That Congenitor episode was really similar to the TNG episode where Riker falls in love with a monogender alien or something like that... and it (sorry, don't know appropriate pronouns here) gets sent to conversion therapy at the end of the episode.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Definitely similar!
Ah, I'm back into season 3. This time around, I'm getting big "Attack of the Clones" vibes with those Xindi meetings. Like with the meetings between the Trade Federation, the Geonosians and all that. I do like the vibe of them being really pissed off and heading into the Expanse with Marines, as a change of pace. They definitely made T'Pol the main player in the "we better sex up the show a bit!" push. Just hit the "everyone goes down to the planet in the Expanse and transforms into cavemen-like aliens"... eh, I get what they were going for but it's a little embarassing.
Also, what's with them continuously saying "more power to the hull plating!" "We just brought hull plating back online!" "Forward hull plating is off-line!" That's... eh, what? It's like writers were writing "shields" and then they had to correct it on set or something. Or it's the dusting off old, unused TNG or VOY scripts thing.
Andrew NDB
03-21-2020, 05:29 PM
Saw "Twilight" in season 3. Great episode. Archer gets some kind of trans-phasic eels in his brain from a distortion that takes away his short term memory... then 12 years later after the Xindi destroy Earth Phlox realizes if he can neutralize the eels, Archer will go back in time and change history. It's really well done. Also fun that the human settlement is Ceti Alpha V.
Andrew NDB
03-25-2020, 02:28 AM
Finished season 3. An amazing season! My faith in my memory of it is restored... but oh man, what a terrible season finale. This I had forgotten entirely. When they get their spectacular defeat of the Xindi weapon... suddenly they're in an alternate WWII? All I wanted to see was them welcomed home with bells. Kind of like the series finale of VOY.
neatoman
03-25-2020, 07:54 AM
Damnit, I keep looking at this thread thinking it's STD that has been cancelled...
Andrew NDB
04-30-2022, 01:34 AM
Ship has sailed on a new season (and thank god, with who is in charge of things right now). Also, water is wet:
https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2022/04/27/star-trek-enterprise-actor-says-spaceship-has-sailed-on-a-potential-movie/
member_removed
04-30-2022, 02:38 AM
Lord Jesus!
It's dead Jim!
Look, season 3 and 4 were heaps of fun. But unless you could convince Manny Coto to come back and give him 100% creative freedom. Let it RIP.
It doesn't seem to have nostalgia that of TNG or Voyager. It's deader than a red shirt.
I hope Avery Brooks stays retired, I don't need to see DS9's corpse displayed and made to dance for the amusement of Kurtzman (****, I have to admit, I've actually enjoyed Prodigy, so Mulgrew's legacy seems safe ATM).
Andrew NDB
04-30-2022, 03:00 AM
Lord Jesus!
It's dead Jim!
Look, season 3 and 4 were heaps of fun. But unless you could convince Manny Coto to come back and give him 100% creative freedom. Let it RIP.
It doesn't seem to have nostalgia that of TNG or Voyager. It's deader than a red shirt.
I hope Avery Brooks stays retired, I don't need to see DS9's corpse displayed and made to dance for the amusement of Kurtzman (****, I have to admit, I've actually enjoyed Prodigy, so Mulgrew's legacy seems safe ATM).
There is evidence of the "Secret Hideout" people having a reverence for Enterprise. It was even baked into 2009 ("Admiral Archer's beagal") and Beyond, of course, with that Enterprise era ship and crew.
But yeah. There is absolutely no reason to get excited about any of these people writing some new Star Trek. Unless they invite the old guard.
member_removed
04-30-2022, 04:54 AM
I stopped watching Enterprise during the second season.
I felt I'd seen it all before. It's wasn't doing anything new. It felt like old TNG and Voyager scripts rehashed. T'Pol felt like a Seven clone. Hot girl, big boobs in a catsuit acting cold to everyone.
After it was cancelled I went back and watched "In a Mirror Darkly" loved it. Watched Seasons 3 and 4 at the recommendations of others. S3 is great stuff and S4 is what I wanted from the start. Even back and finished S2, there was some good stuff with the Klingons and the House of Duras there as well.
I was enjoying the Temporal Cold War arc episode's in the early seasons, but they few and far between.
Compared to the garbage of Disco and Picard, I'd take the early seasons of Enterprise all day and night.
neatoman
04-30-2022, 05:22 AM
I think it's pretty obvius for a long time that Enterprise won't ever get a fifth season. The closest we'll ever get is the cast members reprising their roles for a guest spot on STD or Picard.
CyberCubed
04-30-2022, 01:59 PM
I do wish they'd bring back Archer, T'pol and Trip for one episode in a show though, maybe even in Strange New Worlds. Just do a time travel plot where they save Trip's life or something, and Archer/T'pol aged in real time like their real life actors.
Andrew NDB
04-30-2022, 03:25 PM
Very good odds T'Pol shows up in Strange New Worlds. Also very good odds it will be written horribly.
Galactus
04-30-2022, 06:28 PM
I hope Avery Brooks stays retired, I don't need to see DS9's corpse displayed and made to dance for the amusement of Kurtzman (****, I have to admit, I've actually enjoyed Prodigy, so Mulgrew's legacy seems safe ATM).
Avery Brooks isn't retired by choice or at least not according to Cirroc Lofton. According to him Brooks quit acting on tv because he kept encountering racism in the industry. He says he's also spoken to him about whether he would come out of retirement for some kind of DS9 revival and he'd be up for it under the right conditions.
ZariusTwo
07-11-2023, 03:21 AM
Manny Coto, executive producer and showrunner of Enterprise's highly acclaimed fourth season, has died
https://trekmovie.com/2023/07/10/star-trek-enterprise-executive-producer-manny-coto-has-died/
Andrew NDB
07-11-2023, 10:49 AM
Manny Coto, executive producer and showrunner of Enterprise's highly acclaimed fourth season, has died
https://trekmovie.com/2023/07/10/star-trek-enterprise-executive-producer-manny-coto-has-died/
And third season. Which I hold as the best Trek ever made.
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