Batman Begins

[PizzaPower]

Many of you may allready know about this, bu there us a new Batman movie coming to theatures July 17, 2005. The movie is called Batman Begins. It looks really good, is anybody going to see it?

[Anarky]

We had a thread over at the GD for this movie.

And yes, I am really looking forward to that movie. a new start isn't a bad idea, seeing what they did with "Batman and Robin"

[PizzaPower]

yes I agree.

[cqb101]

I wouldn't be surprised if this movie kicks the **** outta the Burton version. Chrisitan Bale is the perfect Bruce Wayne and Batman. I just hope they use the Joker in a sequel.

[Rat Wings]

First of all this is the poster from the original board known as TMNTPOWER2k3
But for some reason the board wouldn't let me log onto that name. :ohwell:
Anyway, I am here to provide the boards with some new pics from my most anticipated film of all time... Batman Begins:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/legionsofgotham/Gordon.jpg
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[Rat Wings]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/legionsofgotham/Batmanonladder.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/legionsofgotham/BatmaninArkham2.bmp
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[Rat Wings]

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[Hannah]

What a ****** birthday present for me. Burton's were kickass and that's all there is to it. Not seein' it.

[Rat Wings]

What a ****** birthday present for me. Burton's were kickass and that's all there is to it. Not seein' it.
It's going to be darker and more accurate potrayl of the comics than Burton's distorted vision. Why are you being negative towards it before you even see it ? That is kind of ignorant.

[Hannah]

I just like Burton.

[Peanut]

I'm not all that into Batman, but this movie looks awesome. I used to love Batman back in the day, maybe this'll get me back into it.

[Brodie]

She's biased over a crappy film maker.

Just like me and Kevin Smith.

Those pics are awesome, thanks, Rat Wings.

[ZariusTwo]

Burton's were kickass and that's all there is to it. Not seein' it.

Wow...you're really Little Miss constructive are'nt you?

Planet of the Apes 2000 sucked by the way

[Rat Wings]

No problem, just here to add some of the hype to my fellow TMNT fans. I figure you gusy will really like this version for many reasons. Mainly because there is alot of ninja's and similair dark themes and it is so close to the original comic. A great mix of Batman Year One and the Long Halloween. I wil continue to post more pics to help build hype here. Also check the trailers at this link.http://www2.warnerbros.com/batmanbegins/video.html
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v161/MWizzle/18411594.jpg
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[Rat Wings]

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[ZariusTwo]

This is the most faithful live-action Batman approach, in design, style, and story, since...wow...ever.

[Anarky]

Wow! those pics are awesome, I can't wait to see this film. And it's getting worse with every picture I see.

But wait, isn't this a gun? Please tell me that it's the grappling hook...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/legionsofgotham/BatmaninArkham.jpg

[Barkworm]

It's definitely the grappling hook.

[cqb101]

I'd say it's the grappling hook. He wouldn't be pointing a gun up into the air like that.

[Rat Wings]

It is definetely the grappling hook. One of Chris Nolan's favorite movie is Blade Runner and he uses the gun from that movie as the concept for this one.

[Doppleganger]

Hmm odd Gotham looks sort of like Chicago. Could be because they filmed part of the movie here. I almost thought I was looking at the Magnificent Mile in those shots.

[Misfit]

I am, I can't wait. I've been a Batman fan since the early 1990s, and although I love the first two Tim Burton movies (Batman Forever is okay, and let's just not talk about Batman and Robin!) and the classic animated series/new adventures I think Batman Begins will be the definitive Batman movie. It looks really awesome. :)

[Voltron]

Yeah, let's hope they do a good job with this. I'm totally psyched. Today my boss bought Batman Cupcakes for us, and I straight up punched my co-worker in the face because of it. Werd.

[The Stryker]

Im excited for the movie and scared for it at the same time, Im worried that it'll be crappy and the legacy of Batman as a fallen-franchise will continue.

I have high hopes that it is successful and Joker appears in the Sequel, Jokerz 4ever!

[Anarky]

I am so looking forward to this. I mean, the trailers and all look fantastic and Bale does seem to make a good Bruce Wayne. Really awesome.

[The Stryker]

Upon Retrospect those Burton movies weren't all that hot. 1 was great and the best Batz movie since the adam west days. it just went downhill from there.

Burton goes crazy when you give him power and Batman Returns is possibly the best example of this. taking out reality and supplanting it for deranged Camp.Not a fan of an overrated film "Maker".

Nolan better do good with this, Unless he wants a plastic batarang in his ass.

[Brodie]

Looks like a major let down, to me.

[Spitfire]

Wow...you're really Little Miss constructive are'nt you?

Planet of the Apes 2000 sucked by the way
But Sleepy Hallow and Edward Scissorhands didnt. Everyone loves him so much now because of Nightmare Before Christmas and every Hot Topic poser has to love that movie or they wont be accepted into their group of posers.

And Burton has made a few bad movies like all directors. Planet Of The Apes wasnt the only one....lets not forget Mars Attacks! Which was only midly funny

[the Dark Knight]

All I'm going to say is that I love Tim Burton, and I think his Batman films are the best Batman movies. but that doesn't mean that I'm not beyond pysched for Batman Begins and it could be even better than Burton's movies. I plan on seeing this wednesday night, I should probably reserve my tickets.

[The Stryker]

Batman will Hopefully breathe new life into Superhero Movies, Driving them away from all the long drawn out angsty storylines that noone cares about.

*Cough*Spidey/MJ*Cough*

[Peanut]

11 Spider-Man Sony $821.7 $403.7 49.1% $418.0 50.9% 2002
15 Spider-Man 2 Sony $784.0 $373.6 47.7% $410.4 52.3% 2004

Gee...I guess you're right. Absolutely no one cared about it. The worldwide numbers show that.

[JameO]

Bang! Crash! Owned!

[The Stryker]

People went to see spider-man for the love of the character and shite like action, through all of the five-hour love-scenes it stumbles badly.

Damn people with their numbers and Pie-charts

[Peanut]

Damn people with their generalizations and opinions they state as facts.

[JameO]

Peanut Eliminated Stryker, RUNNING RIOT!

[Anarky]

Who is the person that came up with "Nobody cared about Peter/MJ? blahblah"? I mean, the relationship of the two is a vital element of the whole Spider-Man universe. How could one possibly say, that he likes Spider-Man but loathes the Peter/MJ-Parts?

[Peanut]

Who is the person that came up with "Nobody cared about Peter/MJ? blahblah"? I mean, the relationship of the two is a vital element of the whole Spider-Man universe. How could one possibly say, that he likes Spider-Man but loathes the Peter/MJ-Parts?

Hell may have just frozen over. I actually agree with Anarky, he speaks the truth!

[Raph's Girl]

Batman has sunk to a new low...He's doing Got Milk adds now:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0506/09/batmanmilk.jpg

*rotflmao* :lol:

[Ryona]

That's pretty sad...

Why would they demean Batman like that?

Him and Spiderman are like, the only cool superheroes.

Way to go, morons... *shakes head*

[Anarky]

Hehe, that's a pretty funny image. I never got that "Got Milk"-campaign though. Why are these ads even there?

But what still bothers me, is the color scheme of teh new Batman movies. It looks like it's going to be an orange/reddish movie. But a blue/blackish movie would suit the character of Batman way better. But it's just concerns and nothing like "This movie is going to suck". A while back, I played around with the promo-posters to the blue-blackish. Here's what they look like. Oh, yeah, click to enlarge.

http://batmans.de/images/anarky_batmanbeginsfinalposter4gt.jpg (http://batmans.de/images/large/anarky_batmanbeginsfinalposter4gt.jpg) http://batmans.de/images/anarky_batman-begins06.jpg (http://batmans.de/images/large/anarky_batman-begins06.jpg)

[ZariusTwo]

That's pretty sad...

Why would they demean Batman like that?

It's a commerical, there's nothing "demeaning" about it, hell, Stone Cold Steve Austin appeared on a "Got Milk" ad once, it does'nt take anything away from the guy.

[the Dark Knight]

Yeah, besides, it's just the WB trying to market the film. Hell, if you go to Toys R' Us, you'll probably find Batman Begins party favors and wrapping paper and lollipops and all kinds of other far worse things.

People went to see spider-man for the love of the character and shite like action, through all of the five-hour love-scenes it stumbles badly.

Yeah, I hate it when they try to put "love" in my movies, I wish they would just keep my two hours of senseless violence "love" free! ;)

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, I hate it when they try to put "love" in my movies, I wish they would just keep my two hours of senseless violence "love" free! ;)


Spider-Man is'nt about that at all

[Brodie]

Batman and Spider-Man the only good superheroes? Oh for f'uck's sake.

[Raven]

just saw the movie not to long ago, this movie kicks spidermans ass! It makes Tim Burtons batman films look like **** (that is if you liked them)

so many twists and turns, this deserves a 10/10

[Mecha Cow]

I'm really looking forward to this movie, probably going to see it sometime this week.

[Shadow Leonardo]

This movie will be great heck I put a Batman Begins teaser poster in my signature well now I don't, but this will be a good movie nonetheless too bad I wasn't able to go to a midnight showing.Though I plan to go today.

[Weapon X]

This BATMAN actually does look promissing, the only thing I dont get is the Bat Mobile/Tank..."What the hell?!?!?!", but anyways it will sure topple "BATMAN and Robin". :lol:

[The Stryker]

Well the new Mobile is supposed be alittle more "Practical" Not like the old movies which were more like Plastic Husks on a RC engine.

[Anarky]

Actually, I must say that I do like the design of the Battank. It is very different from what we have seen and it serves as a good basis for future versions of the Batmobile (because this is, after all, the first Batmobile). It already has some familiar things on it like the exhaust in the back.

Great thing that tank. I would drive one.

[Raven]

just saw it again, if you havent seen this movie yet, do so now! It's that good, this movie gets batman right, and every other character. I had very high expectations for this movie, and I was just blown away, I plan on seeing this again real soon.

[Brodie]

After seeing this movie, let me just say this:

I jizzed everywhere in the theatre.




Everywhere.

It was so good. All the other Batman movies come in behind this one. The way the origin flows makes sense, the major hints and cameos by comic book characters (I.e., Carmine Falcone, the murderer of the Wayne parents, etc.). It got me so excited. This is the way Batman should be. Burton handled Batman the way any emo-***, 'my parents dont love me' prick would: Like The Nightmare Before Christmas. Now, thats not saying I dont like the original movie, I do. But this was so much better.

It was handled more like a horror / thriller / action flick. And that, to me, is the perfect way to handle Batman. The comics, and cartoons, they aren't these Action/comedy movies. Batman movies aren't supposed to be a buddy-flick, like with Batman & Robin. Batman is supposed to strike fear into people, and you'd think Bat-flicks would be kind of spooky/scary. This one is. Fear has so much to do with Batman, why wasn't it dealt with in the other movies?

Who ever doubted this movie will be sadly mistaken.

The Scarecrow is ****ing awesome. If you like maggots crawling on burlap sacks, you'll dig him.

And on a sidenote: MP, the dude to the far right in your sig looks like Tim Burton's version of Casey jones...weird.

[the Dark Knight]

WOW


that's all I can say. I just saw the movie a little over an hour ago. I would've gone to a midnight showing, but I didn't know about it in time to get time off from work, but anyway, I got to see it today. I haven't been this excited about a movie since the first Ninja Turtles movie. And holy jeezus was I pleased with the result. This movie was amazing. Christian Bale as Batman was perfect, the villians, Gordon, Alfred, Lucius Fox, all the characters were great. Christopher Nolan did really good, giving the film a good pacing, and realistic look, as opposed to be overly comic book-like. The music was great too, not as catchy as Danny Elfman's theme from the first two movies, but still great stuff. The movie was just great. Go see this movie now.

[The Stryker]

Any Mention of the J-man? it'll be beyond perfect if there is....I likes me Joker

[the Dark Knight]

You've got to go see it to find out, man! :o :o :o :o :o Don't waste time in front of your computer, go see it NOW!! In the words of Arnold Schwarzenegger in Predator , "Get to da Choppa'!!"

[The Stryker]

I can't see it till SATURDAY!!!!!! :o :o :o damn money and transportation issues!

PM me...i don't care aboot spoilers

[Dr. Doom]

I seriously cannot find the words to describe how amazing this movie was. It was that good.....maybe I can think of some later when I'm wearing clean pants...

[PiffDaddy]

Just saw the flick tonight, it was perfect. The "dark" tone behind the movie was great. The history of Batman was portrayed very well, and was much truer to the DC comics. The casting director really did their job well, and all the actors did great performances, in my opinion.

I love how this movie works perfectly independent from the others, but sets them up with a flow that makes perfect sense.

They set up the Bad-guy in the movie extremely well, and alotted a very good time into them, because they had to spend the first half of the movie setting up Bruce to become Batman. The movie has a really good plot that has a very appropriate flow, answering a lot of questions that one would have about Batman's past.

Plus, they kept Batman to just a couple cheesy lines, but I wouldn't expect a Batman movie without them.

A definite must see, in fact, why haven't you seen it yet? Why not twice?

[Ryona]

Just saw this movie! It's bloody awesome!!! :o Not only the best Batman movie, but also the BEST superhero movie EVER!! Absolutly amazing!

[Barkworm]

I won't be able to see the movie till Sunday. :(

[raphael_is_cool]

I've read that Mark Hamill wants to play The Joker in the sequel. Anyone think that's a good idea? Considering he's done voice-acting for the character already.

Considering his performance in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back I think he coud ham it up in an Ian McDarmid as Palpatine way.

I am going to see this film tomorrow, during the day. I don't care if none of my friends are free.

[Leo656]

Best. Batman. EVER.

That's all anyone needs to know. All those reviews calling it "movie of the year" are dead-on, I can't think of a single movie I've seen in the last five years that was better. Not Spider-Man/Spider-Man 2, not either X-Men flick, not Star Wars, not ANYthing. And it goes beyond comic/sci-fi movies, it's just a great, GREAT frigging movie period. I had high hopes for this one, but all I expected was for it to be a worthy successor to the first Tim Burton Batman flick.

Imagine my surprise when "Batman Begins" took the Burton Batman, which I have always loved, and made it look as silly and pointless by comparison to the extent that Burton's "Batman" made the Adam West Bats look like unwatchable crap. I love the Burton flick, but I can no longer ever watch it with the same appreciation, ever, ever again, because Batman begins does so much right that every single other Batman flick did wrong. The origin, the casting, the villains, the acting, every single thing was just what it needed to be.

I went to see it with my girlfriend last night, and she was mesmerized throughout the whole thing. At the end, she said, "Motherf****er, that was the BEST f***ing movie I have EVER f***ing seen!" And we've seen just about everything. The fact that the entire audience in our theatre gave the flick a standing ovation at the end seems to say that some people agreed with her. I dunno about "best ever", but definitely the best Batman movie ever, best comic book movie ever, and definitely a new standard in comic book movies. Fantastic Four, X3, and everything else comic-related is gonna need to do a lot to not look silly compared to this flick. A masterpiece, plain and simple.

As for the Burton flick... I'unno, man, it did kick ass for its time, but just to deny oneself an experience to see a damn awesome movie just b/c they're a mark for a certain director is downright shortsighted and closed-minded. Burton's a good director, but he aint great. He's more a gimmick than a director; his movies get huge hype based solely on the fact that he's directing them, whether they're good or not. He definitely has way more good flicks than bad, but he's no genius by any stretch. Go read up on some of his ideas for "Superman" back in the day, for example, and you'll start to wonder if his brain even receives adequate oxygen.

Bottom line: "Batman Begins" takes Burton's flick and out-"darks" it, has better acting, a real storyline, better effects, better costumes, more action, and most important, a heart and soul to it that makes you give a rats ass about the characters you're watching. Not a great "comic book" movie. great f*cking movie. Period.

[Raven]

I loved all the little easter eggs, like zsacs, who shows up a few times.
I really cared for Thomas wayne in this movie, they actually gave him a personality, this movie made me beleive that batman could really happen.

[Leo656]

Oh, dude, I almost spooged when I heard the name "Zsasz", I'm like "WHAT?" And then when they showed him he actually had all the little slash scars all over his body! There was so much "inside" stuff, like Flass (Gordon's partner in "Year One") and Zsasz, any hardcore Batman fan oughta be having a blast with this flick.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Bottom line: "Batman Begins" takes Burton's flick and out-"darks" it, has better acting, a real storyline, better effects, better costumes, more action, and most important, a heart and soul to it that makes you give a rats ass about the characters you're watching. Not a great "comic book" movie. great f*cking movie. Period.


Okay, I'm going to see it now since everyone loves it so much. Star Wars & Batman in one month's time period....nice combo :D

[DrSpengler]

God, that was a damn good movie. Puts Burton's mediocre picture to shame.

Save for Alfred's Australian accent, they got everything right. Even the stuff from the comic I never liked, like Joe Chill were handled excellently.

Esily the best movie I've seen all year, if not the only GOOD movie I've seen all year.

[Dr. Doom]

Australian..?

That was Cockney if I've ever heard it.

[Voltron]

Who Cares!!!?? That was exquisite in every sense of the Word!!

[The Stryker]

Dammit the wait is KILLING ME!!!!

and this Combo of Movies is Awesome! First Star wars Now Batman and Land of the Dead on the 24th! :sick: :dead:

[damnhooligan]

Saw it yesterday. And yes, it was quite awesome. It was filled to the brim with Brits with American accents too, thanks to Christopher Nolan. Bale and Oldman are masters at accents, but Wilkinson (Falcone), Roache (Thomas Wayne), Murphy (Crane/Scarecrow) and a bunch of others surprised me.

I really like how the movie didn't feel formulaic in the sense that most blockbusters of this size do. And nor did the "And so this is how Batman got [this]" feel strained or forced at any point. It all just seemed flawless and believable.

[The Stryker]

I've heard alot of Criticisms on the Editing of the flick itself. any kind of thought on that?

[raphael_is_cool]

Save for Alfred's Australian accent

Haha. Sure, I think Michael Caine learned his cockney accent from Dick Van Dyke...

How can you say Michael Caine has a terrible Australian accent? :lol:
When I see it, as an Englishman, I'll comment on it.

[Rikirk]

Three words...


In-Freakin-Credible...


In other words, a damn great movie. Thats all I can say really. Just a great movie.

[DrSpengler]

Haha. Sure, I think Michael Caine learned his cockney accent from Dick Van Dyke...

How can you say Michael Caine has a terrible Australian accent? :lol:
When I see it, as an Englishman, I'll comment on it.

Sounded Australian to me, but yeah...it did resemble Dick Van Dyke's "accent" from Mary Poppins. Weird.

[BartAllen]

ive seen the movie twice. man. what an awesome movie. honestly. jim gordan was my favorite character in the movie. he even criticised batman at the end, wont tell you why though.

[DrSpengler]

That's another thing I was happy to see, Gordon getting some screen time and character developement. In the original movies he was a total background character, I barely even noticed him.

[Dr. Doom]

Haha. Sure, I think Michael Caine learned his cockney accent from Dick Van Dyke...

Michael Caine IS cockney.

[Brodie]

Speaking of ****, did I mention how much I jizzed when I saw this flick?

[Spitfire]

I liked this movie alot ^_^ The Scarecrow was awesome....too bad he was such a wuss >_< Some people say it was better then Spider-man 2 but Im a Spider-man fanboy so I disadgree. Though I think it was better then Spider-man 1



EDIT: Sorry, Spitfire. I had to edit your post a bit. You put a major spoiler in there. ;) :)

~ Ryo

[Brodie]

Oh come on, I love the SPidey Comics, I always have, but the movies suck, and suck pretty hardcore compared to this.

[Spitfire]

Well their two different movies. Spider-man is more fansty, Batman is more realistic. I mean Batman could happen in some aspects. Spider-man is impossible on every level. Plus Spider-man takes place mostly during the day. Batman is a night person hence all the crime fighting takes place at night. It all boils down to what style you like more

[ZariusTwo]

Oh come on, I love the SPidey Comics, I always have, but the movies suck


Bulls*it, there humane, unlike any Batman comic or movie that only appeals to an aspect of good vs evil.

There two differeing styles

[Brodie]

Im not saying there arent two different styles, but Batman Begins was a film that surpassed Spidey 1 & 2. And I'm a guy who loves his SPider-Comics, but I hate those movies. The first time its magic, yeah, but you can't watch them over and over again. They just arent that as good.

[Voltron]

Oh come on, I love the SPidey Comics, I always have, but the movies suck, and suck pretty hardcore compared to this.


I hold with Brodie. This movie surpassed Spider-Man by a long shot. And DH took the words out of my mouth.

[Spitfire]

Im not saying there arent two different styles, but Batman Begins was a film that surpassed Spidey 1 & 2. And I'm a guy who loves his SPider-Comics, but I hate those movies. The first time its magic, yeah, but you can't watch them over and over again. They just arent that as good.
haha maybe you cant watch it more then once. I saw Spider-man 2 3 times in theaters and twice on Imax. Then I watched it again when I got the DVD :lol:

[BartAllen]

I love when people state opinion as fact.. anyways. yeah.. spiderman and batman are two very different concepts. both are equally good, and for two very different reasons.

[Brodie]

haha maybe you cant watch it more then once. I saw Spider-man 2 3 times in theaters and twice on Imax. Then I watched it again when I got the DVD :lol:


.....I don't see how...the...laughing face...is.....relevent...


I like how Zarius jumped my **** for having an opinion, especially a good opinion about Batman. You know what that means, friends, no opinions when Z is around.

[ZariusTwo]

I like how Zarius jumped my **** for having an opinion.

It would have been more helpful if you had went into detail over why they sucked..not to mention pasted the words "My opinion" in your post, because for chirsts' sake, it is'nt fact, I still watch Spider-Man I and II, as others have clearly stated.

[The Stryker]

Im suprised this movie is being compared to Spidey so much when X2 was praised as the best comic movie ever.

[愛]

I saw the movie tonight, and I thought it was unbelievable in every sense of the word. Voltron was explaining to me that it was told like the comics, and you gotta appreciate that. I really do love Batman.

[Rikirk]

spiderman and batman are two very different concepts. both are equally good, and for two very different reasons.

Hear hear...

I feel the same way.

[Mandi-chan]

I loved this Batman movie, got to see it last night. I do feel it was better than the Burton films, but they were two different movies.

I don't get why people are comparing Spider-Man and Batman. I thought they were both very good. Superman on the other hand...I hoping the upcoming movie will change my opinion of him. I've always thought that character was dreadfully boring (But I loved Supergirl stuff for some reason... :P Maybe it's because I'm a girl? I don't know, I just think she's more interesting, got more of a personality...I'll be quiet now :lol: )

Anyway, this movie rocked! I'm looking forward to the next one!


Off Topic: Did you guys catch the trailers? Disney's new superhero movie looks really lame, it made me feel as if they were trying to milk off of "The Incredibles" fame!

[raphael_is_cool]

not to mention pasted the words "My opinion" in your post, because for chirsts' sake, it is'nt fact

Are you telling me that when someone posts what they think you still read it as fact unless they've put 'IMO' or 'IMHO'?

Grow up and don't be so stupid. If someone is saying something sucks of course it's opinion. Use some goddamn common sense.

ps. Saw the film. It was awesome. Even though fight scenes were mostly just black blurs. But the focus was more on the brilliantly told and tightly scripted story. And Michael Caine, the cockney, surprise surprise, had a good cockney accent.

Michael Caine IS cockney.

I was being sarcastic.

[Lord Nightwalker]

Batman begins surpased my expectations. I was extremely happy with this movie, they have finaly caught the essence of the Batman comics. And In my opinion, this film will be hard to beat. And while Batman is one of my all time favorite Comic book heros, I'm not being biased here. I was one of the first people to rip Batman Forever and then Batman and Robin to shreds. I don't understand why they are comparing it to Spiderman. Batman and Spiderman are to different people, with different lives and methods. And while I prefer the Bat, Spidey does a good job. And most of the negative stuff I've read, I can tell alot of them are from people who don't know Batman aside from the last series of films or cartoons. Anyway, I give this movie my reccommendation. I realy thought it was great. Aside from Batman, the only comic book properties I'm looking forward to right now are the new TMNT film project, and Sword of Dracula. But I will see Spiderman three, no doubt..I would like to see Superman do well, But only time will tell man.

[verminator_x]

still not got the chance to see this movie batman begins
i was big fan of the films with michael caine in the role as batman and i loved that tim burton made the two first movies. but after batman returns the next two movies forever and batman and robin did not stand up to the two first movies. even with so many great actors.

[KROW]

I just got back from seeing this not but a few hours ago.

It was very well done. I liked the story and all, but I have a few gripes.

First, Gotham City didn't look gothic; it looked more Metropolitan to me. Second, the fight scenes were hard to follow, being so close-up and in your face (though it was easier on the eyes than the duels in Star Wars -- no seizure-inducing blinking lights). Third, I hoped the Batmobile had looked a bit more bat-like than it did.

Other than that, I loved the film. Gary Oldman did a great job as James Gordon, Liam Neeson as Ducard was also superb, and Michael Caine as Alfred was well-placed. I also deeply enjoyed Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox. The dialogue was entertaining. I especially liked these lines:

Batman (to Ra's al Ghul): I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you.

Gordon: I never thanked you.
Batman: You'll never have to.
Not to mention this revelation in the film:

Ducard is actually Ra's al Ghul.
The fact that the movie was set up for a sequel made it even better.

Christopher Nolan did a better job than Burton, I think.

[Leo656]

I think the reason people are comparing Batman Begins to the Spider-Man flicks is because even though X-Men came out first, it was the first Spider-Man movie that "legitimized" comic book films since the Tim Burton Batman, meaning that comic movies were finally seen as "good movies" on their own right and could be enjoyed by people who never read comics. X-Men did it to a point, but Spider-Man is a much more well-known character among non-comic fans. I know tons of people who never have and never will read comics, but they saw - and loved - the Spider-Man movie. That "legitimcay" is why people are comparing "Batman Begins" to the "Spider-Man" films; not similar content, but because they are seen as more than "niche" movies.

That said, every single comic movie before this one now has the stigma attached to it as still somehow "cheesy", because Batman seemed entirely plausible and aside from one or two lines there was nothing really laughable. As opposed to the Goblin's completely horrid "We'll meet again, Spider-Man!" and Aunt May's "deliver us from evil" stuff. Note to Raimi, Singer, Ratner, and any other comic directors: Just cuz a line works in comics, that doesn't mean it won't sound like ass on film.

However, sometimes things stated "as opinion" are, actually, applicable as fact. For example, the statement "'Batman Forever' was wretched and 'Batman and Robin' was just one long gay joke that was so abominably, unspeakably bad that some DVD copies have actually burst into flames rather than allow themselves to be played and let any more people suffer and have to gouge out their eyes" isn't an opinion. It's fact. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.

[Mandi-chan]

Which movie introduced Robin? I always get those confused :P . T thought that one that introduced Robin was decent (keep in mind, it's been YEARS since I've watched the Batman films of the past), that last one pre-Begins sucked beyond reason to me. The acting and plot were just-yech! I loved the Burton films! Thought both were really good! This one was better, but it doesn't kill my love for the two Burton films.

[Leo656]

"Batman Forever" was the one who introduced Robin, and that was only one of the many problems the two Schumacher films had. Not the Robin concept, but the fact that Chris O'Donnell was a whiny bitch and completely unlikable as Robin. Dick Grayson was supposed to be a likable character; O'Donnell played him more like Jason Todd, who was hated by so many that they eventually voted to have the character killed off. And while it wasn't as bad as "Batman and Robin", it (like so many movies back then) suffered from Jim Carrey disease, where every movie company thought they needed Jim Carrey in it to turn a profit. No, contrary to popular opinion, I thought his performance as the Riddler was horrendous, even moreso because it took the tragic, mentally disturbed character of Two-Face and ruined it for the sole reason of Tommy Lee Jones feeling he had to upstage Carrey. In the comics, Two-Face's duality and his psyche went much deeper than the shallow, "babbling idiot on crack" that Jones portrayed him as. And I do feel that given a better script and no Jim Carrey, Jones would have made a really good Two-Face. Shame.

Well, I do think that as long as there's a contract stipulating that Joel Schumacher, Jim Carrey, Governor Arnold, and the rubber Bat-Nipples aren't even allowed on the set of a Batman movie (or any DC comics movie, for that matter) ever, ever again, the Batman franchise should be safe for the forseeable future.

[The Stryker]

Ok, Saw Begins Last Night and let me start off by saying, The Burton movies were a Very Big part of my life and they have left a Mark on my youth that will never go away, Those movies, Not superman made me believe that a superhero movie could not only be done, But done well. That being Said.

BATMAN BEGINS F*CKING TRUMPS IT.

Breaking away from the Comic movie norm, Nolan and Company bring a movie that Highlights Batman's TRUE origins (Although taking some liberties but theres no Jack Napier shooting his Parents).

The First scene of Batman in Full costume is where the Hero becomes something completely different from Spider-man and Wolverine, Not Attacking a Group of Guys in a Rage, Not fighting Thugs to save a Girl. Batman Picks off the Thugs one by one in a scene that looks more like a horror movie than a Superhero movie. The Whole concept of Gotham being seperated into the Nice metropolis and the Slums was alittle weird but worked near the end.

All in All This movie satified me more than Star Wars and even though it ain't gonna make History making Money, its a Good Movie that Deserves an Audience.

Heres hoping the Sequel is Greenlit and Nolan and Company Plus Crispin Glover Will all return.

BTW i had the biggest Fangasim with the last scene Where Organized Crime is now gone in Gotham and The Crazies are coming out of the woodwork, JOKER CARD!!!!!

[KROW]

"Batman Forever" was the one who introduced Robin, and that was only one of the many problems the two Schumacher films had. Not the Robin concept, but the fact that Chris O'Donnell was a whiny bitch and completely unlikable as Robin. Dick Grayson was supposed to be a likable character; O'Donnell played him more like Jason Todd, who was hated by so many that they eventually voted to have the character killed off. And while it wasn't as bad as "Batman and Robin", it (like so many movies back then) suffered from Jim Carrey disease, where every movie company thought they needed Jim Carrey in it to turn a profit. No, contrary to popular opinion, I thought his performance as the Riddler was horrendous, even moreso because it took the tragic, mentally disturbed character of Two-Face and ruined it for the sole reason of Tommy Lee Jones feeling he had to upstage Carrey. In the comics, Two-Face's duality and his psyche went much deeper than the shallow, "babbling idiot on crack" that Jones portrayed him as. And I do feel that given a better script and no Jim Carrey, Jones would have made a really good Two-Face. Shame.

Well, I do think that as long as there's a contract stipulating that Joel Schumacher, Jim Carrey, Governor Arnold, and the rubber Bat-Nipples aren't even allowed on the set of a Batman movie (or any DC comics movie, for that matter) ever, ever again, the Batman franchise should be safe for the forseeable future.
I agree there in a way. I did dislike O'Donnell as Robin, but I never compared him to the Jason Todd version until now. I simply never noticed the comparison until you pointed it out. Now that I realize it, I have a new perspective on the film, which I thought was still pretty good.

Also, though I am a big Jim Carrey fan, I didn't particularly care for his performance of the Riddler. It reminded me too much (way too much) of the Joker. To me it was as if he was trying to actually be the Joker instead of the highly intelligent villain he was cast as.

I also agree that Two-Face's part in the movie wasn't done to the character's justice either. I think Tommy Lee Jones could have done a great job if he wasn't stuck with such a bad direction to play the part. I think that instead of having the acid that burned his face and his psyche go so deep as to make him a cackling and raving lunatic (again, like the Joker) and more of a sinister and diabolical man obsessed with the number two and trying to brandish out a perverted form of justice, then perhaps the movie could have been more enjoyable.

As for the uber-colorful and uber-terrible 4th film, I'll simply say that I hated it for all the right reasons... just like everybody else on the planet.

I also hated the music and the Bat-nipples, but I won't get into that. :lol:

[The Stryker]

"freeze Da HEROOOOES!!"

[XERO]

'You're not cinding meee to da coola!' :lol:

[The Stryker]

Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman have signed to star in a second Batman movie, but love interest Katie Holmes has been dropped. Movie bosses are thrilled with the response to Batman Begins - it took $46.9 million in its first weekend at the US box office - and have snapped up the film's stars for a sequel. Bale as Batman was the first to put pen to paper, followed by Caine as butler Alfred and Freeman as Bruce Wayne's business associate Lucius Fox. But Holmes won't reprise her role as district attorney Rachel Dawes - reportedly because Warner Bros is angry her engagement to Tom Cruise has stolen media attention away from the movie. A source tells Pagesix.Com, "Everyone is in agreement that the movie's strength is with Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman." Adding of Holmes, "She won't be in the sequel... the next romantic interest will be a much stronger actress. Warner is happy that people are now focusing on who'll be playing the Joker rather than Katie and Tom."

source-imdb


:D :D :D :D :D No Katie Holmes, Although IMDB isn't that trustworthy even this bit of news is Encouraging!

[Mecha Cow]

Just got back from seeing it. Great movie, very well done, loved it.

I'll be getting this on DVD for sure.

[IceFlash78]

Just got back from seeing it. Great movie, very well done, loved it.

I'll be getting this on DVD for sure.


Definately... This, Constantine (maybe) and Sideways are definately my next DVD purchases.

You know guys... I"m HAPPY that they're making a sequel (as long as it doesn't suck -_-).. but you know... I'm also happy that they ended the movie the way they did...leading right into the Tim Burton's Batman, so that if the sequel goes kabumpt, Batman Begins STILL ties in with the subsequent four films (even though they suck... it still counts for something..)

[Barkworm]

Wooohooo! I think I'm the first person in this thread who didn't like it. Actually I don't really think that it was bad but if there's one thing that ruins a movie for me, it's a rushed plot and bad editing. I missed slower scenes. Even the calm scenes felt too hectic to me.
Other things I didn't like:
- Ra's Al Ghul (I wish he were more like in the comics)
- Some extremely cheesy lines (that line from Gordon after he saw the Batmobile was painful)
- James Gordon (Oldman looked great as Gordon but I thought he was kinda wimpy)
- Annoying kid ("Boohoo Batman, I want my mommy!!!")
- Scarecrow's end (pathetic)

To sum up, I don't see what all the hype is about. But maybe I have a fever or something because my brother loved it and we usually agree about every movie.

[ZariusTwo]

The movie was excellent, and next to Burtons', the greatest interpretation of Batman on screen.

Bale IS Batman, his version of the character was far truer than previous versions, Gordon actually acted like Gordon this time, and the acting from everybody was great, but I had a problem with some scenes blatantly ripping off Burtons' first Batman movie, like when Batman takes Rachel to the Batcave after a veichiculer chase, giving her the antidote to the fear gas before sedating her again, not to metion the fact I did'nt give a damn about Rachel, why did'nt they use Silver St. Cloud or Vesper Fairchild? Mary Sues in Batman movies provoke NO reaction from the comic audience, she just came off as typically generic

There was also minimum use of The Scarecrow, and his fate was ridiculous, the guys' the first person to kick Batman's ass and he's later owned by Rachels' taser. Yeah. Innovative. :ohwell:

Return of the Joker still owns every Batman movie overall

[ZariusTwo]

don't be so stupid.

Don't be so f*cking ignorant, the guy was pushing it as fact

[Brodie]

Whoa, settle down, prick. You're just pissed people have independent thought, we all know you hate anyone who has an opinion that isn't yours.

You're a lot like MP, but with a bigger vocabulary.

[The Stryker]

^^ So true


You know guys... I"m HAPPY that they're making a sequel (as long as it doesn't suck -_-).. but you know... I'm also happy that they ended the movie the way they did...leading right into the Tim Burton's Batman, so that if the sequel goes kabumpt, Batman Begins STILL ties in with the subsequent four films

How does it end leading into Burton's Batman? In 89 Batman was an Established crime fighter and pretty confident and The Joker was Still Jack Napier and at the End of Begins it clearly Suggests that Joker has already transformed into the Clown

[DrSpengler]

Not to mention that simple fact that

In Begins, Bruce's parents are killed by Joe Chill and in Batman '89 they're killed by Jack Napier.

Have you even watched these movies!?

[The Stryker]

I just hope in the sequel, They Introduce Dent, Even if something crazy happens and he's scarred by the main Villian i don't care.

As long as we don't have another Joker Knock-off Two-face running around. Im good

[Spitfire]

I read Two Face was going to be the villian in Batman 3 o_O Hey just like he was in the old series

[DrSpengler]

I just hope in the sequel, They Introduce Dent, Even if something crazy happens and he's scarred by the main Villian i don't care.

As long as we don't have another Joker Knock-off Two-face running around. Im good

Yeah, I think they plan to introduce him as Dent in the second film and have him as the main villain in the third (get a little character developement going).

That's why they killed off the DA in Begins, so he can be replaced by Dent. The reason it wasn't Dent in the first place is because they didn't want to cast/spend money on another big-name star.

And please, no Billy D. Williams this time. Or, at least give him more to do than just stand there drinking Colt 45.

[The Stryker]

Dent actually being developed into a Likeable character would be great so that the people who don't know his fate will be suprised when he becomes Two-face.

If i was writing the sequel it would end on a Cliffhanger note (Ala TAS) with Dent Discovering the scars. But thats me

[Barkworm]

BTW, if the fighting and insulting in this thread continues, it'll be locked.

[Anarky]

BTW, if the fighting and insulting in this thread continues, it'll be locked.

Means: Shut up, for once I want to post on a new movie here. I was so pissed because of the Constantine-thread, don't ruin Bats.

And now I'll go and cry a river.

[Dr. Doom]

-=Fights with and insults people=-

[Dane E5R]

I'm gonna have to dip in for a minute here, going back to folks claiming that Jim Carrey was trying to act like the Joker - I've actually read a few times that Jim was trying to immitate Frank Gorshin's version of the Riddler; and when you think about it, you can really see that's where he drew his inspiration from.

EDIT: By the way... Crispin Glover. All the way.

[Dr. Doom]

I've probably gone into this before, but I can actually sorta see what Schumacher was going for with those two movies. I don't think he just like hit his head and threw all this wacky sh*t together, they both really seemed like a sort of updated version of the old TV series. I mean, both are very steeped in ridiculous visuals and pop culture influences of their specific times. Everything is very melodramatic and surreal in both situations. He didn't want to make something realistic, he wanted larger than life. FYI, I can't stand the old TV series, I think it makes a complete mockery of the everything thatt Batman is. And I'm not saying I enjoyed either movie, but if that is indeed what Schumacher was going for, I think he acheived what he set out to do. It just didn't make for a very good movie, especially with the disgraceful performance of Chris O'Donnell.

[Barkworm]

I LOVE that old series. It had an awesome sense of humour and some of the funniest lines I can imagine. It's just that after two excellent Burton, it was blasphemy to try o make Batman goofy again. Plus those sh*tty movies were nowhere as funny as the old series.

[Anarky]

I LOVE that old series. It had an awesome sense of humour and some of the funniest lines I can imagine. It's just that after two excellent Burton, it was blasphemy to try o make Batman goofy again. Plus those sh*tty movies were nowhere as funny as the old series.

Hell yeah. Best thing ever was the line "Good thing I always carry my Bat Shark-repellant-spray with me" I wonder how often Bats gets attacked by sharks.

Forever was watchable. I liked the mix between the darkness of Batman and the cool lighting effects (all those neon glowing things).

Batman and Robin was rather daft. No real story and Ah-nold as Victor Fries was a big mistake.

[ZariusTwo]

FYI, I can't stand the old TV series, I think it makes a complete mockery of the everything thatt Batman is

...Are you joking? The original series is one of the most defintitive comedies ever produced.

For your information, the comics were EXACTLY what the original series was based on before it even premiered during the silver age, go ahead, read a comic from that period.

[DrSpengler]

I enjoy the original series for what it is. But DC comics and Tim Burton made great strides to try and DROP the campy image Batman had been stuck with after the tv series. Schumacher just did his best to undo years of work and progress by making his movies reflect the atmosphere of the 60's series. It was NOT the direction Batman needed to go in.

Schumacher's a good director. Falling Down and The Client are awesome flicks. His vision of Batman is what was terrible.

[Dr. Doom]

...Are you joking? The original series is one of the most defintitive comedies ever produced.

For your information, the comics were EXACTLY what the original series was based on before it even premiered during the silver age, go ahead, read a comic from that period.


-=rolls eyes=- It makes a mockery of Batman as I know him. There, happy? I got into Batman because of TAS. The Batman I know and love is serious f***ing business. Some friends of mine tried to watch taht horsesh*t movie and I ended up sitting in the basement by myself because it was such a horrendous sham to me. To ME. You see what I did there, I stated my opinion as just that, an opinion, not a fact.

-=mumbles=- Whiny lil rassinfrassin....

[BartAllen]

...Are you joking? The original series is one of the most defintitive comedies ever produced.

For your information, the comics were EXACTLY what the original series was based on before it even premiered during the silver age, go ahead, read a comic from that period. Nope he isnt joking, up until about 55 batman would regulary kill people. which is the golden age version the silverage version was slightly less violent. but really became campy around the start of that show. i would say the show influenced the comic more so then the comic influening the show. but go ahead and disagree with me. youll need the final word on the subject.

[ZariusTwo]

up until about 55 batman would regulary kill people. which is the golden age version the silverage version was slightly less violent. but really became campy around the start of that show.

The latter parts of the 50's saw the comcis gradually become campy and humerous, five year or so before the series gave it more bravado and reason to be what it was.

but go ahead and disagree with me.

Evidence of this actually disagrees with you

What a boner huh? (Batman reference here, you're a fan, try and guess what I'm talking about :P )

-=rolls eyes=- It makes a mockery of Batman as I know him. There, happy? I got into Batman because of TAS. The Batman I know and love is serious f***ing business. Some friends of mine tried to watch taht horsesh*t movie and I ended up sitting in the basement by myself because it was such a horrendous sham to me. To ME. You see what I did there, I stated my opinion as just that, an opinion, not a fact.

Thank god somebody did :lol:


It all comes down to editorial politics, and adaptation, Batman was a victim of "Seduction of the Innocent", which is why the 1940's serials were slightly darker and featured some amounts of death.

[BartAllen]

The latter parts of the 50's saw the comcis gradually become campy and humerous, five year or so before the series gave it more bravado and reason to be what it was.



Evidence of this actually disagrees with you

What a boner huh? (Batman reference here, you're a fan, try and guess what I'm talking about :P )



Thank god somebody did :lol:


It all comes down to editorial politics, and adaptation, Batman was a victim of "Seduction of the Innocent", which is why the 1940's serials were slightly darker and featured some amounts of death.lol i know what your talking about with the boner thing. who has pulled a bigger boner bats or the joker?

[raphael_is_cool]

Don't be so f*cking ignorant, the guy was pushing it as fact

'Oh come on, I love the SPidey Comics, I always have, but the movies suck, and suck pretty hardcore compared to this'

That does not sound like someone stating cold, hard fact.
I can't believe the number of times you criticise people for their opinions being stated as fact yet you miss the blatant hypocrisy when you try and force your own views.

Let's leave it at that.

[愛]

And we are going to leave it at that. Barkworm warned you guys already, so this is the last warning before the thread gets locked.

[IceFlash78]

Not to mention that simple fact that

In Begins, Bruce's parents are killed by Joe Chill and in Batman '89 they're killed by Jack Napier.

Have you even watched these movies!?



DrSpengler and Stryker.. Its been ages since I've seen Burton's Batman.... and I didn't watch Begins with captions, so I don't know the specific details as the killer's name, or which supervillian batman is fighting. I only suggested that the two movies were in continuity as Begins establishes how Batman became Batman and introduces the Joker (and Who is Clown anyways?) and Burton's Batman fights the Joker... I just thought that even though Batman is still a newbie in Begins, and in '89 he was a veteran... maybe we could assume that several years had passed in Gotham between the two movies.. I dunno.. Like I said before, its been ages since I've watched Batman. I was just merely suggesting that if a second movie WAS NOT being made (which I know now is wrong) Batman Begins could serve as a prequel to Batman, despite continuity errors...

I'm sorry for any misunderstanding.. I speak as a casual viewer without a GOOD knowledge of the burton movies nor fo the comics...

[KROW]

I'm gonna have to dip in for a minute here, going back to folks claiming that Jim Carrey was trying to act like the Joker - I've actually read a few times that Jim was trying to immitate Frank Gorshin's version of the Riddler; and when you think about it, you can really see that's where he drew his inspiration from.
True. The dancing and giggling reminded me of Gorshin. Everything else reminded me of Joker.

[The Stryker]

Wow now i Look at Carrey's Riddler differently. Good show Mr.Carrey just don't make Majestic 2.

Two-Face is still Blasphemy. and BANE oh my god Bane!

[DrSpengler]

DrSpengler and Stryker.. Its been ages since I've seen Burton's Batman.... and I didn't watch Begins with captions, so I don't know the specific details as the killer's name, or which supervillian batman is fighting. I only suggested that the two movies were in continuity as Begins establishes how Batman became Batman and introduces the Joker (and Who is Clown anyways?) and Burton's Batman fights the Joker... I just thought that even though Batman is still a newbie in Begins, and in '89 he was a veteran... maybe we could assume that several years had passed in Gotham between the two movies.. I dunno.. Like I said before, its been ages since I've watched Batman. I was just merely suggesting that if a second movie WAS NOT being made (which I know now is wrong) Batman Begins could serve as a prequel to Batman, despite continuity errors...

I'm sorry for any misunderstanding.. I speak as a casual viewer without a GOOD knowledge of the burton movies nor fo the comics...

Nah man, don't sweat it. It's aiight.

[The Stryker]

Its Just the Natural Bat-fan reaction, Pay no mind

[Peanut]

Finally saw it on Saturday, loved it. It was awesome. I did think his origin dragged a bit though, it's probably just me.

[Jo Dawn]

Well... because of going with two diferent people, I have seen this new movie twice in less than 24 hours. It's good. I knew Christian Bale would be an AWESOME Batman. And I agree, that the origin went on a BIT too long.

If we just coulda lost Katie Holmes, it woulda been almost perfect.

And, by the way, I adore Adam West's Batman. I love the serious stuff, but, come on.
I love it. But I can see where others wouldn't. Not to start a debate, but it's like TMNT then and now. *shrugs* Kinda. I dunno... heh.

Anyway, good movie. Awesome Batman.

And, oh yeah! Jim Carrey WAS trying to do the Riddler like Frank Gorshin played him. It was an homage. ;) :)

[Spitfire]

Well... because of going with two diferent people, I have seen this new movie twice in less than 24 hours. It's good. I knew Christian Bale would be an AWESOME Batman. And I agree, that the origin went on a BIT too long.

If we just coulda lost Katie Holmes, it woulda been almost perfect.

And, by the way, I adore Adam West's Batman. I love the serious stuff, but, come on.
I love it. But I can see where others wouldn't. Not to start a debate, but it's like TMNT then and now. *shrugs* Kinda. I dunno... heh.

Anyway, good movie. Awesome Batman.

And, oh yeah! Jim Carrey WAS trying to do the Riddler like Frank Gorshin played him. It was an homage. ;) :)
Well dont worry Katie wont be in the next Batman. Their kicking her out because shes engaged to Tom Cruise

[The Stryker]

Finally saw it on Saturday, loved it. It was awesome. I did think his origin dragged a bit though, it's probably just me.

Naw i thought it too, I would've liked to see more Young Bruce in Gotham and less of the whole Training thing, Which confused me to no-end.

[Leo656]

I was waiting for someone to mention "Seduction of the Innocent". Yes, because of that book, and all the pop-psych hoopla about comics turning kids into juvenile delinquents, almost all the darkness and noir feel of Batman got sucked out, and in came Batman attending Boy Scout meetings and marching in parades in broad daylight and such. Then the Adam West TV show came, and the show and comic both bit off of each other a bit, but that doesn't change the fact that both the 60s TV show AND the 60s comics were miles away from what Batman was originally perceived as being.

KROW, I love your avatar.

the Jim Carrey/Frank Gorshin Riddler comparisons puzzle me, however; I have an old interview in some magazine with Carrey from before "Batman Forever" came out, and he said he wasn't looking to anyone else for inspiration, that he wanted his Riddler to be entirely his own. And I guess that makes sense; Carrey plays the same damn role in almost every movie anyway.

Saw it for the fourth time today and was pleasantly amused by an elderly couple who left the theatre raving about the spectacular quality of the film, and how it looked like it was ripped from the comics. This movie better get some awards, it deserves it. I can't wait for the sequel.

[The Stryker]

I really hope the Sequel kicks Equal or More Ass, Although now that the Origin is out of the way, They can jump right into the Action. its all up in the air right now. Hopefully they'll pick someone good to portray the villian, If they Mess him up....AGH!

[Raven]

Batman Begins is my new crack! just kidding.

Saw it at the Imax a few days ago, than saw it again for the fourth time on Saturday with my parents, my sister wasent there. I have to tell you it felt very surreal as the scene with Bruce and his parent at the opera house came on, right before they were killled.

I kept looking at my parents, just thinking how grateful I am to still have them, after the movie I told them that we should stay away from any alley :D

I still plan on taking my sister some time this week, so far every one ive talked to really likes this movie.

[Midnight_Tanuki]

I saw it with friends. I thought it wasn't... "B-Movie bad" but the dialogue was cheesy enough to the point where we could make fun of it in the theater. Which is good if you're just basically just screwing around and blowing a summer afternoon anyway. It's not a terrible movie, if simply for the fact that it can be made fun of. The dialogue in the movie was horrendous and at times almost deadpan, but the movie gets my vote because it had the elements that make a superhero movie good- Ninjas (yes!), Explosions (yes!), A convoluted supervillain plot involving "blowing up the water supply?" (C'mon, you know it wouldn't be a superhero movie without this!) That and the fact that in one of the final scenes, boing! Katie Holmes's nipples. (a little bit cold there, Katie ;) ) I did have fun while watching the movie though- which should be the point of the movies anyway. The bottom line: go see it with your nerdy friends. It's definetely enjoyable but in different ways for different people.

A few minor complaints: The Bat-SUV, the horrible acting and dialogue, the scarecrow being nothing more than a disposable henchman

After the movie, my buds and I went to see Land of the Dead. I like Zombie Movies!

[Barkworm]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! I didn't really like the movie either but I don't see what was wrong with the acting. The dialogue was also pretty good but some of the one liners ruined it for me.

[IceFlash78]

This is little bit off topic, but i was wondering...

What's the big deal about Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise? Why are the producers so pissed off at them for expressing their love? I maen... the producers actually comfirmed that Katie Holmes would nto be returning to Batman II just because of the Tom Cruise thing, which I don't really get at all...


Also... when should Batman meet Robin? and who should be casted as Robin?

[Raven]

Also... when should Batman meet Robin? and who should be casted as Robin?

recentaly David Goyer said that he dosent plan to bring in Robin any time soon, I think thats cool, I think Batman Forever brought him into soon.

[cqb101]

Also... when should Batman meet Robin? and who should be casted as Robin?

Chris Nolan said that there won't be a robin as long as he's directing, and he wants to do two sequels. He then went on to say that if Robin was cast, it would be a younger Tim Drake Robin and he'd like to see Frankie Muniz in the part.

He also said that Crispin Glover is his number one choice for the Joker. God, I hope that's true. Crispin Glover ****ing rules.

[Barkworm]

I'd prefer Adrien Brody, he has the looks and the skill to do it.

[Dane E5R]

Crispin Glover was born to play the Joker. He looks like God had a jam session with Bruce Timm. As for Nolan and Robin, I remember reading that he said he didn't believe he'd still be involved by the time Robin came around, but that he WOULDN'T do it, just that he didn't think he'd be around by then. And if Robin ever does come around, I'm sure it'll be Dick Grayson. As much as I love Tim (in my opinion, the best Rob) Dick is the original Robin, and the one that most people know. I think there'd be a huuuge uproar if they decided to use Tim instead of Dick.

[The Stryker]

http://www.villainousvamps.com/crispinjoker.jpg

Looks pretty good to me, And i Agree it's way too early to bring Robin into the fold. If it even gets that far i think robin would join around number 5.

[Brodie]

A convoluted supervillain plot involving "blowing up the water supply?" (C'mon, you know it wouldn't be a superhero movie without this!)

They weren't blowing up the water supply, they were

turning the chemical for the fear toxin into a breathable toxin. When water evaporates it goes into the air, and thats how the toxin would be ingested. Duh.

DId you really watch the movie?

[KROW]

Yeah, I caught that remark, too. It left me wondering just how one could actually blow up water...

[Jester]

Robin's return also marks the Bat-directing return of JOEL SCHUMACKER!!! MUHAHAHA!!! Bat-nipples all around!!

[Spitfire]

Yeah, I caught that remark, too. It left me wondering just how one could actually blow up water...

They weren't blowing up water. The machine they stole from Wyane Enterprises turned water into gas. The pressure caused the sewer lids to blow off and the air to be filled with the fear gas

[KROW]

They weren't blowing up water. The machine they stole from Wyane Enterprises turned water into gas. The pressure caused the sewer lids to blow off and the air to be filled with the fear gas
Tell him that.

You can't really blow up water, just like you can't burn it. Water is shapeless.

[XERO]

Tell him that.

You can't really blow up water, just like you can't burn it. Water is shapeless.

You put water into a cup, it BECOMES the cup. Put it into a bottle, it BECOMES the bottle. Put it into a teapot, it BECOMES the teapot. Water can flow, or it can crash.

Be water, my friend.

Bruce Lee. 8)

[Spitfire]

Tell him that.

You can't really blow up water, just like you can't burn it. Water is shapeless.
Sorry read your post wrong haha I thought you were questioning why the water was blowing up o_O

[BartAllen]

Tell him that.

You can't really blow up water, just like you can't burn it. Water is shapeless.
yes, but if you boil water it turns to a gasious state.

[Midnight_Tanuki]

I know, I know, the whole fear gas thing. I was merely making a reference to the Cheat Commandos (http://www.homestarrunner.com/cheatcommando.html) web toon as well as an old GI Joe plot in which Cobra Commander invents a ray with the power to blow up water. Don't ask me how Cobra planned to do it, ok? eighties cartoons operate on an entirely different set of physics.

[KROW]

yes, but if you boil water it turns to a gasious state.
Yeeeah...

Why are you telling me this when I learned it from Professor Honeydew 20 years ago?

[Brodie]

ZING!

Look, we all know water doesn't explode. That one dude is just.....mmmspecial...

[CyberCubed]

Coming from the far flung future of 2019 and looking back at 2005, it’s pretty surprising the amount of replies in this thread with people saying they didn’t like the movie or found it too dark. This, and it’s superior sequel The Dark Knight, are the two best DC movies for the entire 2000’s-2019 pretty much 20 year span

[Leo656]

It's definitely interesting and strange how the collective opinion on certain things changes dramatically with time. Indeed.

Also, what's with the necroposting lately? Doesn't really bother me but it's strange.

[Andrew NDB]

Bottom line: "Batman Begins" takes Burton's flick and out-"darks" it

Does it, though?

[Leo656]

Sh*t, I'unno, probably? Is that what I said? :lol: I didn't actually re-read this thread when I replied to Cubed earlier. I didn't remember even commenting on this one because I don't remember having internet access the year the movie came out. I was constantly losing computers to porn viruses back then.

I'm also rarely sober when I post so I never remember what I've said later on. Looks like I've got some reading to do after work later. :lol: Should be interesting.

[IMJ]

I'm also rarely sober when I post so I never remember what I've said later on. Looks like I've got some reading to do after work later. :lol: Should be interesting.

:o :teek:
:lol:
:tlol:

[Shark_Blade]

Coming from the far flung future of 2019 and looking back at 2005, it’s pretty surprising the amount of replies in this thread with people saying they didn’t like the movie or found it too dark. This, and it’s superior sequel The Dark Knight, are the two best DC movies for the entire 2000’s-2019 pretty much 20 year span

Both movies are a bit boring and slow (except for Ledger’s scenes) imo. Bale with his batman sore throat voice as if he’s having throat cancer is too absurd for me to take him seriously. Joker (2019) is far superior imo. I even prefer Batman Returns than those two (Batman Begins/Dark Knight).

Ranking them up:
1. Joker (2019)
2. Batman Returns (excellent story, cast, outfit, music all of them)
3. Batman v Superman (Ben Affleck is the most comic accurate Bruce Wayne/Batman ever. Huge, bulky, broody. I like the fact that Batman kills in this movie as he does in some of the comics (e.g. the iconic Dark Knight Returns - Batman snapped Joker’s neck cause he’s had enough), moving away from that tired old trope of Batman doesnt kill cliche. Also Wonder Woman debuted in this movie so thats a huge plus too)
3. The Dark Knight (thanks to Ledger, Two-Face & Gary Oldman only)
4. Batman
5. Batman Forever
6. The Dark Knight Rises (it always bother me how anticlimatic this movie is with Joker completely missing from this movie. All that build up in Dark Knight and now the city is at war, you think Joker would stay out of it and remain quiet somewhere? No. That’s not who he is, he’ll want in in all that madness. Yes the actor died but they should've recast someone else. Dumbledore actor died in the second movie and we were fine with the replacement for the rest of 6 harry potter movies. They’re just too scared that other actor couldnt be as good or better than Ledger - which Joaquin Phoenix clearly proved them wrong. A missed opportunity but the damage is done
7. Batman Begins (too little on scarecrow and long boring origin story for batman)
8. Batman & Robin (Mr Freeze and George Clooney batman are cringe. Poison Ivy, Robin and Batgirl are great tho)

[Andrew NDB]

1. Batman Begins
2. Batman
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Dark Knight
5. Batman Returns
6. Joker
7. BvR
8. Batman Forever
9. Batman & Robin

I think I like TDKR a lot more than other people, though.

[sdp]

I loved Begins since it came out, overall I remember opinion being very high even back then on forums, however it wasn't until The Dark Knight that everyone and their mom was talking about Nolan's Batman and how amazing it was.

[AquaParade]

1. Batman Begins
2. Batman
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Dark Knight
5. Batman Returns
6. Joker
7. BvR
8. Batman Forever
9. Batman & Robin

I think I like TDKR a lot more than other people, though.

I wouldn't rank The Dark Knight Rises that high, personally, but I love it.
There was a lot there for me, including the sewer fight scene against Bane, the opening airplane sequence, Batman's return go Gotham after years away, as well as his "death". I also loved the way they illustrated that Batman had become a legend of Gotham. Kids drawing his symbol in chalk, the statue they put up for him, etc.

I could nitpick it, of course, but overall I feel like I also enjoy it more than most vocal fans.

I won't make a list, but I'll say that my favorite Batman movie is a toss up between Joker and The Dark Knight. Yeah, I really enjoyed Joker that much. Too early to say though. I've seen The Dark Knight about 50 times more than the Joker. Glad as hell to have them both though.

After that, I'd probably count in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. I really enjoy all the movies on at least a passive or nostalgic level. And not just cause I'm willing to eat Batman-**** for breakfast. I have standards, okay? But I appreciate the cinematography in BvS, and I enjoy the goofy fun of Adam West's Batman movie.

The only ones I'm sort of puzzled about lately are the Burton films. I grew up loving them like most everyone else. I adore the aesthetic and the musical score. But everytime I try to watch them I lose interest.

[Shark_Blade]

We should rank the animated movies too because some of them are just so amazing too.

1. Batman vs TMNT
2. Batman: Son of Batman
3. Batman vs Robin
4. Batman: The Killing Joke (disregarding the batsex bs at the beginning. I refuse to acknowledge its existence)
5. Batman: Under the Red Hood
6. Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders
7. Batman vs Two Face
8. Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (Part 1 & 2)
9. Batman Year One

I havent seen the others wow theres a lot. Or i should make a separate thread hmm

[Leo656]

:o :teek:
:lol:
:tlol:

At any given time - unless I'm posting at work while on a break (Shhhh!) - there's about a 10% chance I'm at least half-drunk, and a 98.6% chance that I've been ripping bongs.

......A lotta sh*t suddenly makes a ton of sense now, I know. :lol: ROLE MODEL! :tcool:
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Upon review, I'm actually surprised how little my opinion of the film has changed. I remember absolutely gushing about Dark Knight Rises after seeing it on opening night, and nowadays I can only barely get through it and would much rather poke fun at the bad parts. But while "Dark Knight" is arguably a superior film and Ledger's performance is unparalleled, "Begins" is still my sentimental favorite solo Batman film and I doubt that's going to change anytime soon. A solo Affleck movie might have managed to knock it off the perch, but we'll never know.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Ranking all the theatrical Batman films I've seen(with Batman as one of the main characters and one of the main focuses):

1. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
2. Batman Returns
3. Batman
4. Batman Begins
5. The Dark Knight
6. The Dark Knight Rises
7. Batman vs Superman

[IMJ]

Everyone is forgetting about the original Batman '66 movie, "Batman: The Movie", which was basically terrific. C'mon guys there's a Bat-Copter and Batman fights a Shark and his entire rogue's gallery in that movie...

[sdp]

After Begins, many people debated how it was indeed a prequel to 1989, I don't even remember how they explained the inconsistencies.

[CyberCubed]

I remember people thinking Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul were "too obscure" villains to start off a movie franchise with. Which is pretty odd because they're fairly mainstream.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. Batman V Superman

5. Justice League
6. Joker

97. Batman Forever
98. Batman '89
99. Batman & Robin
100. Batman Returns

There. That's my ranking. Hate the Burton/Schumacher stuff, because I didn't see those as a kid, back when I would have viewed them with joy and forgiveness.

Joker ranks as low as it does because... well, I probably WOULD watch Justice League again before it. I liked Aquaman and Wonder Woman in it. :tlol:

[CyberCubed]

Batman '89 is still the closest portrayal of Batman in a live-action movie, both Batman Begins and the later movies opt for realism and the other ones are just too campy/silly.

Most people try to make Batman too realistic where he could live in our world like the Nolan trilogy did, or others just make him and his universe way too campy/silly where you can't take them seriously like the other movies.

Batman '89 felt like well...this is a comic book movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Batman '89 is still the closest portrayal of Batman in a live-action movie, both Batman Begins and the later movies opt for realism and the other ones are just too campy/silly.

Most people try to make Batman too realistic where he could live in our world like the Nolan trilogy did, or others just make him and his universe way too campy/silly where you can't take them seriously like the other movies.

Batman '89 felt like well...this is a comic book movie.

Batman '89 had the guy sleeping hanging upside down like an actual bat. It's BURTON, man.

Nolan's always gonna be better than Burton. :tlol:

[Sumac]

Batman '89 had the guy sleeping hanging upside down like an actual bat. It's BURTON, man.

Nolan's always gonna be better than Burton. :tlol:
Only if you like boring "semi-realism" with no style. :lol:

[Leo656]

Batman '89 is still the closest portrayal of Batman in a live-action movie, both Batman Begins and the later movies opt for realism and the other ones are just too campy/silly.

Most people try to make Batman too realistic where he could live in our world like the Nolan trilogy did, or others just make him and his universe way too campy/silly where you can't take them seriously like the other movies.

Batman '89 felt like well...this is a comic book movie.

You don't even read comics. :lol:

Batman '89 and Batman Returns are great Tim Burton movies that have Batman in them. But as "Batman Movies" they're not great, especially if you want to say they're "Like the comic books". They are nothing like the comic books, not even close.

Which doesn't mean they're not fun movies to watch. Batman '89 is an absolute classic film. I'll always watch Batman '89 if it's on ("Returns", I need to be in the mood for; if you don't absolutely LOVE Burton's style, it's a pretty bad movie, objectively). But they're both as close to the comic books as my ass.

"Batman Begins" is the closest to the comics by far, "realism" and all, and that's partly why it's my favorite even though Dark Knight is ultimately a "better" film. BvS is a close second place if we want to include team-up movies. Both of those movies include tons of things that are directly from the books, including things that are fairly obscure. After that, sadly, "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin" would be the next most "faithful", since the costumes are on-point and they do incorporate a lot of comic book storylines. The acting and execution was simply dreadful, but technically, they're "accurate" in more ways than not. The tone was just completely wrong.

Burton's Batman and Nolan's second and third Batman films are about equally "faithful", just from polar opposite directions; but in both cases, the characters and situations are still "In Name Only" versions.
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PLEASE note, I'm NOT getting into any of the films' quality or how "good" or enjoyable they are. I'm simply stating that as far as which Batman films are "faithful" or "accurate" to their source material, it's easily "Begins" in first place. To say Batman '89 is the most accurate is provably false. BUT, it's a great f*cking movie, anyway.

[MikeandRaph87]

I remember people thinking Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul were "too obscure" villains to start off a movie franchise with. Which is pretty odd because they're fairly mainstream.

I hear "Glory Days" in my head now. Thanks, Cubed.

Scarecrow and Ra's were the next ones up after the seven in the four big budget films. They are not as well known as the seven, but are more prominent now. They were the next likely ones used in a film so it in a way followed the first four by continuing the different villains and used the next likely ones. The next two used repeats.

I am one of those who did not like the Ras takeout twist. It like Catwoman makes me want to see another film take on Ra's al Ghul. I got my wish with Catwoman in The Dark Knight Rises. Perhaps Ra's al Ghul too one day.

[newfan]

I enjoyed this movie and would rank it my favourite of the movies. I liked that we saw his past with Ra's Al Ghul on screen, showing the 'how' he trained up and got his skills. I liked all 3 Nolan movies, in order of production, the 3rd fell below the other two but I still enjoyed watching it. As usual I can't compare to comics so just go by what I have seen and enjoyed.

I notice from this thread an the animated movie thread that people seem to like Mask of the Phantasm, I might look it up.

So far as ranking the movies, I'd have to watch Batman and Batman returns again to order those 2 against each other. Batman and Robin would be at the bottom with Batman Begins at the top.

[The Deadman]

8. Batman Begins
7. Batman vs Superman
6. The Dark Knight Rises
5. Batman Returns
4. Batman (1989)
3. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Forever
1. Batman & Robin

I can appreciate the campy and the cheesy of the first 2 movies on the list, even if they arent masterpieces. Besides....everyone needs to chill.

[Egon1982]

I remember people thinking Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul were "too obscure" villains to start off a movie franchise with. Which is pretty odd because they're fairly mainstream.

Weren't people introduced to them on Batman TAS?

[CyberCubed]

Weren't people introduced to them on Batman TAS?

Fans knew them of course, but not mainstream movie audiences. Batman's most known villains to casuals are Joker, Riddler, Penguin and Catwoman, largely thanks to 60's Batman.

[Egon1982]

Fans knew them of course, but not mainstream movie audiences. Batman's most known villains to casuals are Joker, Riddler, Penguin and Catwoman, largely thanks to 60's Batman.

But wasn't Batman TAS the most popular animated show back in 92 along with X-Men and brought in a big audience of all ages?

[Leo656]

Pssst. Lemme tell ya a secret:

Most people stop thinking about the stuff they liked as kids once they are no longer kids.

90% of the people who probably watched Batman:TAS as little kids completely forgot about it once they found football and girls, as is wont to happen. So even if most of the potential movie audience had seen or heard of Scarecrow or Ra's al Ghul from the cartoon show, odds are they wouldn't have remembered it 10+ years later.

Try and find a "passionate" fan of Rainbow Brite from the 1980s, one who had all the dolls, etc., and ask 'em which one is Murky and which one is Lurky. They can't tell ya. Most people grow up. You can't expect them to know and remember stuff they watched when they were little, c'mon.

Forums like this are outliers in the big picture because by design they're tailored to fanatics. We're like 1/10th of the wider audience who watched those shows. People forget that and it makes me laugh.

[Egon1982]

Pssst. Lemme tell ya a secret:

Most people stop thinking about the stuff they liked as kids once they are no longer kids.

90% of the people who probably watched Batman:TAS as little kids completely forgot about it once they found football and girls, as is wont to happen. So even if most of the potential movie audience had seen or heard of Scarecrow or Ra's al Ghul from the cartoon show, odds are they wouldn't have remembered it 10+ years later.

Try and find a "passionate" fan of Rainbow Brite from the 1980s, one who had all the dolls, etc., and ask 'em which one is Murky and which one is Lurky. They can't tell ya. Most people grow up. You can't expect them to know and remember stuff they watched when they were little, c'mon.

Forums like this are outliers in the big picture because by design they're tailored to fanatics. We're like 1/10th of the wider audience who watched those shows. People forget that and it makes me laugh.

Why find girls and football? to act "adult" when your a teen and all? Batman TAS can still be enjoyed as an adult.

C.S. Lewis once said "
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

― C.S. Lewis"

[Leo656]

I don't dictate the standards for Human Behavior, man. I merely observe and report.

[Egon1982]

I don't dictate the standards for Human Behavior, man. I merely observe and report.

Do you think CS Lewis is right?

[Leo656]

In theory.

In reality, most grown adults desire a social circle and some form of acceptance from others that goes with that. Thus, the decision must be made as to how much of one's "true self" is put on display for other people, and how far a person is willing to go, including how much of their personal interests they're willing to sacrifice, in order to be popular and accepted.

Me, personally, I have very little free time for friends and family and no desire to put my own interests on the back burner just so other people will like me. What's "fun" for me is not "fun" for them, and vice-versa, so we simply only maintain very casual relationships. I don't do sports and I don't hang out at bars; likewise, most of my friends are very, very casual about comic books and video games, compared to me, so while we have things in common there's not enough shared enthusiasm to actually fill our shared time productively. They kinda think I'm silly for not selling my comic book collection and spending more time and money at the strip club, "Like an adult"; in turn, I think they're silly for the things they prioritize, as well.

I, personally, make the choice to put my own happiness ahead of whether or not people like me or want to "hang out" with me. If I were to make those sacrifices - sell my comics, pretend to like sports, piss off my wife by going to strip clubs with The Fellas - I'd undoubtedly have a larger social circle, but I wouldn't in fact be any happier. I am a Materialist; "Things" make me much happier than People do. That's me, and that's how I choose to live.

All that said, however, MOST people opt for the path of being Socially Accepted. Whether it's peer pressure, parental pressure, just wanting to pursue a much hotter type of female, whatever... most people do in fact opt to put their toys away and "grow up" so that more people will like them (or rather, pretend to like them). I agree that, in the end, most people probably regret sacrificing so much of themselves and putting on a false front - usually around middle age, most people do realize that it was a waste of time and those "relationships" didn't pan out anyway - but it doesn't change the fact that it's what society says you are "supposed" to do.

So, short answer: Yes, I agree on principle, but in reality that's not how it works for most people. Most people would rather get laid than watch cartoons, especially in their teens and early-20s. That's reality.

Also, you didn't need to PM me to ask me this same question. Just FYI. My inbox is at 99%, please do not PM me unless it is important. Nothing personal, it's just very likely that it will bounce and I'll never see it. One day, I'll go through my Inbox, but not today. Or tomorrow.

[Egon1982]

The fear of childishness is childish itself.

Everyone needs to learn from CS Lewis's amazing quote and be themselves.

[Leo656]

"In theory".

In reality, most people like Sex a lot more than toys and cartoons. They adjust their priorities accordingly.

Again, I do not make the rules, nor do I fully agree with them. I just point out that That's How It Works.

I don't think a single teenage boy ever got a girl to sleep with them by proudly unveiling their wall-to-wall army of TMNT toys, or inviting said girl over to binge-watch Batman cartoons. I know for a fact that I got laid in spite of my interests and hobbies, NOT because of them. And that most likely had a lot to do with the fact that I was banging much older women, whose lustful desire for a much younger male was stronger than any shame they might feel getting sexed up next to a Legend of Zelda poster. Had I tried chasing a high school chick, my options would have been either trash the toys and cartoons, or stay celibate. There's very little middle ground on this.

Most high school guys want high school girls, though, along with the acceptance of their same-age male peers. Thus, the "kids stuff" goes in the closet and is forgotten until a movie remake comes out many years later, at which point they were "Always a fan!" despite not paying any attention since they were ten. Again, it's not how *I* chose to do things, but it is, indeed, how most people choose to do things.

[Egon1982]

"In theory".

In reality, most people like Sex a lot more than toys and cartoons. They adjust their priorities accordingly.

Again, I do not make the rules, nor do I fully agree with them. I just point out that That's How It Works.

I don't think a single teenage boy ever got a girl to sleep with them by proudly unveiling their wall-to-wall army of TMNT toys, or inviting said girl over to binge-watch Batman cartoons. I know for a fact that I got laid in spite of my interests and hobbies, NOT because of them. And that most likely had a lot to do with the fact that I was banging much older women, whose lustful desire for a much younger male was stronger than any shame they might feel getting sexed up next to a Legend of Zelda poster. Had I tried chasing a high school chick, my options would have been either trash the toys and cartoons, or stay celibate. There's very little middle ground on this.

Most high school guys want high school girls, though, along with the acceptance of their same-age male peers. Thus, the "kids stuff" goes in the closet and is forgotten until a movie remake comes out many years later, at which point they were "Always a fan!" despite not paying any attention since they were ten. Again, it's not how *I* chose to do things, but it is, indeed, how most people choose to do things.

Japan knows how to embrace animation as they see it as a medium there that isn't seen for kids like Ninja Scroll, Akira, Princess Mononoke, Cowboy Bebop and they know how to take the medium seriously there. Teens and adults enjoy them in Japan.

What makes Japan different?

[Leo656]

The fact that they sell the used underpants of schoolgirls in public vending machines, and sexually fetishize octopods.

...There are probably more reasons why Japan is different. But those are the two that stand out the most. Since you asked.

[Egon1982]

Well Leo, geek culture is mainstream now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZeEZPvHOkI

[Egon1982]

The fact that they sell the used underpants of schoolgirls in public vending machines, and sexually fetishize octopods.

...There are probably more reasons why Japan is different. But those are the two that stand out the most. Since you asked.

Only kids say "kiddie" fact. I'm an adult and I've never seen a single adult refer to something as "kiddie". I HAVE seen plenty of young people around ages 14-23 refer to light-hearted fare as "kiddie". These are young adults desperate to establish themselves as adults and thinking they can achieve said goal by "shedding" themselves of "kiddie" things. How do they do that? The same way most emos their age do: run toward "dark" and "serious" material as a way of showing how "mature" and "adult" they are.



Little do these young adults realize is that, as an adult, your taste in everything changes. You stop caring about trivial things such as "how will people perceive me for liking this?" Thoughts like those are thoughts that exist in the minds of very young people trying to establish themselves in the world and worried about criticism. It's the angsty age where everything is about image and cultivating your "adult" status.



Seasoned adults in their late 20's and above adopt a very different mindset. It's the "I don't give a s hit what people think" mindset. Little do these very young adults realize is that, as a seasoned adult, we often crave a VARIETY of tones and themes and don't single one out as "too kiddie for me". Adults don't think that way. In fact, as seasoned adults, it's much more likely for a person to choose a light-hearted movie at the end of a hard workday or workweek even animation. It's a way to "unwind".



For all those calling the MCU "kiddie", I've seen far more adults around my age 38 and even older than I did teenagers when attending them in the theaters. On the contrary, I see far more teens/early twentysomethings at the few nowadays horror movies I attended at theaters.



As seasoned adults, we embrace a VARIETY of different themes and tones. In my experience, I've seen many people in the 14-23 bracket embrace darker material more than any other form.



My point in all this? Only a very young person would bash a product for being light-hearted or proclaim it to be "kiddie". Adults--seasoned (been in the real world for several years, paying bills and such) adults don't think this way at all. We don't go around, calling things "kiddie" or "Mature and adult".



All this grasping for "grounded" and "realistic" CBM's...there is an old expression that basically says that: "Adults crave fantasy even more than children". And, it's true. Fantasy is a form of escapism. Only a very young mind has this constant "need" for an uber-realistic product all the time. Adults enjoy a BLEND of fantasy and realistic products. Children or very young adults have tendency to gravitate toward the darker, more serious and more "realistic" material because they have this idea in their minds that "fantasy is for kids"...but, what they don't realize, is that you reach a certain point in adulthood where fantasy becomes appealing again. When that point arrives, you no longer care how that fantasy "makes you look" to others. You appreciate it as an escapism from everyday life. As a more seasoned adult, a craving for constant realism becomes less prevalent because, at that point, you already know enough about the world to decide "Hey--I need a little escapism".



Now, that's not to say that seasoned adults don't want realism--we do. We just don't need a CONSTANT dosage or CONSTANT emphasis on it. We don't need it to define our lives/entertainment.



THAT is the fundamental difference between real adults and young adults still trying to establish themselves.



All that I think of when I see someone refer to something as "kiddie" is a very young person who is ashamed of their young age and only wants to be seen as older. And what I stated is something that a very young mind can't possibly understand until they reach that point in life...and most of us do. Those who don't become, well, manchildren.


Levity and maturity go hand in hand. The harder you try to force maturity and "seriousness" the more immature and juvenile your work appears. Human beings use humor even in the most dire of situations to deal with bad things, when a person is at their lowest they want nothing more than to laugh again.



When someone here compared Batman vs Superman to some humorless 90's grim gritty comics, Some of those '90s comics trying to be so dark to look "grown up" make me think of what it was like to be a teen-ager. Every teen tries to do their imitation of how they think an adult should be--wearing dark clothing, brooding, treating others like they're crap, posturing. Usually by the time you hit twenty you figure out that's not what being grown up is really about. If you don't, you're going to have miserable life when reality finally does hit you. And they are right, some did took the wrong lessons from Kevin Eastman's Ninja Turtles with Akira by Katsuhiro Otomo, Alan Moore and Frank Miller without understanding what made them successful comics in the 80s.

Geek culture is now mainstream and we accept it.

[Powder]

Why are you here? Honestly wondering. You write really strange essays about weird banal things & 90% of it isn't TMNT related.

[newfan]

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What on earth was that?