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rayfillet101

11-18-2002, 10:53 AM

I have a figure oRay fillet and I was wondering if he was in the comics or cartoons.Is Venus,from next mutation, planing to be in the new cartoon?I hope so! :roll: [/b]

Kali

11-18-2002, 11:10 AM

Ray Fillet, or Man Ray, whatever you wanna call him, was in the Archie comic run. I can't remember if he was ever in the cartoon. Venus isn't gonna be in any official-Mirage-approved projects (though I have a PLAN), and there's a pretty good chance Ray won't be either.

Karpo_007

11-18-2002, 11:43 AM

Peter Laird has promised, that Venus wont ever appear again in any official TMNT product. And thats a good thing.

Jephael

11-18-2002, 02:25 PM

Venus was such a stupid idea!

Man Ray and his fellow Mutanimals were awesome characters, and alot of them made it to the cartoon show! I've written a fic about them. If you would like to read it, go to http://members.aol.com/Jephael/tmntadv_74.html

Karpo_007

11-18-2002, 03:13 PM

Many archie character made their way to the cartoon, but they were much much better in archie. Slash for example.

Nickokapo

11-18-2002, 04:07 PM

Yeah ray fillet was in the cartoon along with your typical mad scientist :D
He looked different than in the comics tho.

MzTheInsomniac

11-18-2002, 04:10 PM

ray filet is my fav, i wish he would be in the new show though, he was a good character

PWDESAI

11-18-2002, 04:42 PM

rayfillet was best portrayed in the archie book issue #4 i believe...

Jephael

11-18-2002, 05:18 PM

You're off by an issue there, PWDESAI. His first appearance was #5, and #4 was Part 2 of "The Incredible Shrinking Turtles"

PWDESAI

11-18-2002, 05:22 PM

w/e

Karpo_007

11-19-2002, 08:14 AM

You know too much about archie... I used to own most them when i was little, but they are all gone now.

rayfillet101

11-19-2002, 12:49 PM

i never knew any of that.
I think the next mutation tv show was a little too, well, i dunno how to put it, confusing. But i do like the idea of having a female ninja turtle. Does anyone have pictures of Ray in the Archie comic?and another question:Is there and othere regulars that help the ninja turtles(Kinda like how knuckles helps out Sonic from time to time) thanks.

Ray

heretic888

11-19-2002, 12:57 PM

a female mutant turtle is a complete mockery and contradiction of the ninja turtles mythology.

the whole POINT of the tmnt saga is that they are four teenage brothers trying to grow up and come of age in a world where nobody accepts them, and they are more or less completely alone. They arent SUPPOSED to have romantic relationships or the possibility of children. It's like an alone in the universe kinda thing.... and coming to terms with that...... Venus just ****s that all up.

rayfillet101

11-19-2002, 01:07 PM

so are u tring to say that there should only be four mutant turtles in te world?Im not sure if i understand.All i know is everyone hates Venus for one reson or another.

heretic888

11-19-2002, 01:09 PM

i think what you dont understand what im trying to say is that is WHY Eastman and Laird NEVER gave the tmnt ANY romantic involvements in the comics. its supposed to be a coming of age story for four brothers that are completely ostracized from the rest of the world.... and coming to find their place in that world.

Kameko

11-19-2002, 01:13 PM

Heretic, one word: COPE.

Kali

11-19-2002, 01:13 PM

Ray Fillet topic:
Check the official site, he's got a profile up there: http://www.ninjaturtles.com/
And, at least in the Archie comics, the Mutanimals, which included Ray, sometimes helped the Turtles. I'm not well versed in TMNTA lore.

Venus topic:
Yes, I agree on some of those points. Venus shouldn't have entered the Mirage TMNT universe, but I think she was fine just where she was. But just because she was there did NOT mean there was an automatic chance of romance or children. They could have easily made her and/or the guys sterile. A tragic irony. They could have easily made it a strictly sibling relationship. I agree, I don't want to see romance in the TMNT comics. That's why I read fan fiction.

Peter was afraid Venus would ruin the turtles' underlying theme of loneliness. But as head writer, doesn't he have complete control over what the characters do? It would be his choice about what would happen between tham. And I notice the guys aren't exactly unaccepted and alone in the new series. But I don't disagree with him getting rid of her. It was his method I frown upon. He should have sent her back to China, or even killing her off would have been better.

rayfillet101

11-19-2002, 01:14 PM

I'm not saying if there was a girl rtle the tmnt would go gaagaa over her.A little diversity wouldn't hurt anything. She could be a long lost sister, and that would just be wrong to have a crush on her!

Shellfox

11-19-2002, 01:17 PM

true in the short run the guys are usually alone, but in the furtre they are almost all ways excepted, so them being alone for the rest of their lives is hard to believe, so in a way its implied that they could find love, but its that time that we rarley see

MzTheInsomniac

11-19-2002, 01:19 PM

look thre hould be no fifth turtle espeicially from japan, considering tgri(or whatevere it is) was an american company, and how did venus get magic?

rayfillet101

11-19-2002, 01:21 PM

Im not nesseceraly talking about love... Im talking about friendship. How many girls in the tmnt universe do you know of?I only know two April and Irma.I admit im not the smartest prson when it comes to the turtles. I just think it would be cool to have a female turtle in one of the series(cartoon or comic). Im not saying they need her to bring rmance to the comic, maybe alot of people could relate to her,I dont know!

Kali

11-19-2002, 01:27 PM

look thre hould be no fifth turtle espeicially from japan, considering tgri(or whatevere it is) was an american company, and how did venus get magic?
*counts off points on her fingers* Venus is from China. She was in the same glass jar as the others, and was mutated by the same ooze. She was then washed away and taken in by a Chinese mystic visiting America who took her back to China and raised her, teaching her magic. When he died, she came to America to save Splinter from the same dragon creatures who killed her master. Having no where else to go, she stayed with the other turtles.

But that's JUST within TNM universe. Not Mirage, or any other universe (as much as some love to mix and match.)

Karpo_007

11-19-2002, 01:35 PM

And just to make it clear, Peter Laird had almost nothing to do with Next mutation. It was Eastman who worked on it.

heretic888

11-19-2002, 01:37 PM

And I notice the guys aren't exactly unaccepted and alone in the new series. But I don't disagree with him getting rid of her. It was his method I frown upon. He should have sent her back to China, or even killing her off would have been better.

Yes, but that symbolizes another stage in their growth, in which they have begun to find their place in the world. Remember that they are no longer teenagers, and the original series was basically a commentary on teenage growth. The new volume 4 therefore deals with another stage of growth.

I think Laird handled the Venus issue quite well. Considering that the next mutation was cancelled, and that was the ONLY major tmnt medium she appeared, simply never referring to her character again was probably the most appropriate choice.

Heretic, one word: COPE.

if that is supposed to be some attempt at a stab, it is not appreciated.

I'm not saying if there was a girl rtle the tmnt would go gaagaa over her.A little diversity wouldn't hurt anything. She could be a long lost sister, and that would just be wrong to have a crush on her!

The original Venus character was consciously created so that she is not really their sister and so the tmnt could have a relationship with her. This was implied once when she spoke with Leo.

Besides, in their teenage years at least, the tmnt are supposed to be the only ones of thier kind. There is a whole mythology and psychology behind this. Later on, the tmnt begin to find their place in the world a bit more and this may change.

true in the short run the guys are usually alone, but in the furtre they are almost all ways excepted, so them being alone for the rest of their lives is hard to believe, so in a way its implied that they could find love, but its that time that we rarley see

Like i said, this applies mostly to their teenage lives. The original story was a commentary on the isolation and ostracization teenagers feel (among other things). Once they have matured, this mythos may indeed change (just as you said) but Venus herself is just a stupid character.

Im not nesseceraly talking about love... Im talking about friendship. How many girls in the tmnt universe do you know of?I only know two April and Irma.I admit im not the smartest prson when it comes to the turtles. I just think it would be cool to have a female turtle in one of the series(cartoon or comic). Im not saying they need her to bring rmance to the comic, maybe alot of people could relate to her,I dont know!

If what you are talking about is friendship, then a female turtle is not needed. Human friends would amply suffice. The point of the story during their teens was to grow up knowing you are along and the only one of your kind with no hope of romantic connection or ever having a child. The tmnt had to come to terms with that. Once they mature a bit, the mythos and theme may change a little... but not during their teen years.

Spike The Xenomorph

11-19-2002, 01:40 PM

Didn't Raph have a gf in the cartoons?

Karpo_007

11-19-2002, 01:41 PM

The final fact. Fox ordered a female turtle, mirage had to come up with one. Show was crap, venus was crap, and neither will be seen again.

Everyone can have their own opinnions, but this is the most popular one.

Spike The Xenomorph

11-19-2002, 01:42 PM

Wasn't Venus the female Leo that would just annoy every1?

Reznorite420

11-19-2002, 01:48 PM

Is Venus,from next mutation, planing to be in the new cartoon?I hope so! :roll: [/b]Die.

heretic888

11-19-2002, 01:49 PM

female Leo?! heh hehe !!! thats pretty good!!!! :lol:

rayfillet101

11-19-2002, 01:55 PM

Is Venus,from next mutation, planing to be in the new cartoon?I hope so! :roll: [/b]Die.
wow people aint very welcoming to a newbie anymore..I don't mean to start anything, it's just my opinion.I didn't like th show but it was a good idea for another turtle. Sorry, didnt mean to get on anyones nerves

heretic888

11-19-2002, 01:56 PM

he probably just really, really, really, really, really hates Venus (an understandable sentiment for any tmnt fan).

Kali

11-19-2002, 02:00 PM

I think Laird handled the Venus issue quite well. Considering that the next mutation was cancelled, and that was the ONLY major tmnt medium she appeared, simply never referring to her character again was probably the most appropriate choice.
She was also an important character on the Official site. She had a big role in the ongoing "TMNT Letters". She had her own column for awhile, even after TNM was cancelled. And they still have sections of the site for TNM. If it had only been a profile that disappeared, I would have been fine. But she's a character in the Letters, then she just disappeared. She's helping them fight the Rat King, then *poof* I realize Laird himself does not write those Letters, but he must know how sloppy the whole thing was.

The original Venus character was consciously created so that she is not really their sister and so the tmnt could have a relationship with her. This was implied once when she spoke with Leo.
A scene that I couldn't stand, BTW. But face it, the whole show was stupid. It was SABAN. They required a female character, so Venus was created. I notice that very few fans objected to Ninjara, Mezcal, Lotus Blossom, Kala, Mona Lisa, Renet, Jhanna, Pimiko, or any of the Turtle's other potential love intrests.

Karpo_007

11-19-2002, 02:32 PM

This is something i've said many times before, but even without venus, Next mutation wouldnt have been any better.

Kali

11-19-2002, 02:44 PM

No, it wouldn't have. But it's not fair to blame a single character for "the downfall of the TMNT", which is what many fans do.

Karpo_007

11-19-2002, 02:57 PM

If people need someone to blame, blame Saban.

Shellfox

11-19-2002, 06:28 PM

I've defended her time and again and I'll do so now, Yes I like Venus. Ok so in the show she wasn't great, but that was the show not her, no one in the show was all that great. The concept of Venus is a good one, a fifth turtle simalar but diffrent from the boys, with magic and knowledge they don't understand. Look at a lot of the fanfics that came out at that point with venus in them, most are quite good and bring her to the level they should have been if the right people were handling the show.

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2002 2:40 pm Post subject:

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Didn't Raph have a gf in the cartoons?

yeah Mona Lisa, she was a salamander/Human mutant with what 1 ep under her belt

Wish Dreadmon and Jagwar could have appeared on the show, but given how the other Mutanals were done I dought the team would form.
Speaking of which do you thinkLeatherhead may appear in the new show?

Kali

11-19-2002, 06:32 PM

Yeah, since Leatherhead was a Mirage creation, there's a good chance he'll appear.

Kameko

11-20-2002, 10:25 AM

Heretic, one word: COPE.

if that is supposed to be some attempt at a stab, it is not appreciated.
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Awww, you don't appreciate me? I'm hurt. Really. :roll:

HorseTechie

11-20-2002, 11:10 AM

And the never ending debate rages on....

To be honest... I also liked the idea the TMNT weren't meant to reproduce (or clone themselves, whatever). But the idea of throwing another male or female turtle in the mix doesn't irk me. I thought the concept o Venus was okay. For there to be Venus, is like the cartoons and the Archies series to come up with other randomly appearing mutants.

In fact... if it wasn't for Saban, I'm sure Venus's introduction would have gone much smoother. And that the producers would have heard out the creators wishes and made Venus like a long lost sister (or a warrior that's sworn to lifelong cellibacity). Just cause there's a female appearing out of nowhere doesn't ALWAYS mean someones gonna get married, buy a house, have kids and live happily ever after. Stupid Hollywood ideologies. :roll:

Karpo_007

11-20-2002, 12:49 PM

Eye of Sarnath

11-20-2002, 01:39 PM

Shellfox

11-20-2002, 02:33 PM

Skeletoncrew

11-20-2002, 02:54 PM

All I know is that I like my Venus action figure!
http://skeletoncrewsvault.homestead.com/files/figs/venus.jpg

:evilgrin:

Gotta get my hands on some more NM turtles...

Karpo_007

11-20-2002, 03:28 PM

Well i dont see the point in arguing this, Next mutation is never coming back and neither is Venus. And by the way, in archie, i dont remember the issue number, April turned into a turtle. She turned back in the end but the point is there was a female turtle in archie.

was this like a special/annual comic, I don't remeber that

It was a normal issue i think. Probably one of the later one. April broke in to some science lab, and got caught. Then they used her as a guinea pig of mutagen and she changed into a turtle. In the end they got anti mutagen, april gave it to splinter, but splinter threw the ooze on April.

azure turtle

11-20-2002, 04:14 PM

It's a pointless subject to argue. Either you hate Venus or you love her. Most TMNT fans choose to hate her. You are allowed to have your own opinions, but someone out there is gonna have a different opinion than you, and you have to respect these opinions.
Indeed. Everyone's got opinions, and disagreements will happen. However, I don't want to see anyone getting attacked for expressing their opinions. Let's try to stay away from bashing newbies or any other members, shall we? ;)

Kameko

11-20-2002, 04:39 PM

:tanime: Heh, alright, I'll be a good Venus-Hater, Azure. :P

Shellfox

11-20-2002, 06:34 PM

Jephael

11-20-2002, 06:58 PM

I'd love to see that issue, if it's out there somewhere! This actually brings to mind another funny thought - what if Casey Jones was turned into a turtle?

rayfillet101

11-20-2002, 07:49 PM

thanks everyone fro clearing that up. Now to get backto Ray. Is he a image,archie or mirage character?Besides casey and april are there any reacurring allies,i heard about someone named muredude but im not sure. thanks again, somepeople for making a newbie feel welcome. :wink:

Apple Cat

11-20-2002, 08:20 PM

Ray Fillet and Muredude are Archie characters.

Jephael

11-20-2002, 08:38 PM

Merdude was also in an episode of the cartoon, but his tale was rather different. He was never in the Mirage or Image comics though.

Apple Cat

11-20-2002, 08:44 PM

What episode was he in?

Jephael

11-20-2002, 08:48 PM

The episode "Atlantis Awakes" was done in 1993 and featured Merdude, AKA Aleam Sealacant (evidently he had a different real name from the one in the comics).

Apple Cat

11-20-2002, 09:15 PM

I didn't see that one.

Karpo_007

11-21-2002, 03:38 AM

It was a normal issue i think. Probably one of the later one. April broke in to some science lab, and got caught. Then they used her as a guinea pig of mutagen and she changed into a turtle. In the end they got anti mutagen, april gave it to splinter, but splinter threw the ooze on April.

Ok you sure it was archie? I'm going through this sites stores of covers, and I don't see jake relating to that, and I have all but a a hand full of the first 10 issues and don't remeber ever seening this.
Maybe its special #11 black figure "startaling secret" on the cover.
I have got to find a way to get these books, they almost never showed up down here

It wasn't a special, atleast here in Finland. If i remember right, on the cover was a Turtle who was in a shadow, I mean black. I cant remember those aliens names, but they ran the science lab. There was also somebody else muataed, a female scientist. She mutated in to a Squirel. She stayed that way.

Skeletoncrew

11-21-2002, 03:43 AM

I need to start getting some Archies. I only have a few of the first ones. I do have the first one with Ray Fillet though.

Karpo_007

11-21-2002, 03:48 AM

I had almost all of them, but they are long gone now... Besides Im not that much into archie anymore. Mirage is so much more interesting.

Shellfox

11-21-2002, 09:25 AM

It wasn't a special, atleast here in Finland. If i remember right, on the cover was a Turtle who was in a shadow, I mean black. I cant remember those aliens names, but they ran the science lab. There was also somebody else muataed, a female scientist. She mutated in to a Squirel. She stayed that way.
You mean like this
http://www.thetechnodrome.com/comics/archie_specials/tmnt_special_11.jpg

and again anyone know how to find these?

Karpo_007

11-21-2002, 09:41 AM

Thats it . In here that was ordinary issue... And one of the later ones.

Jephael

11-21-2002, 03:45 PM

I checked to see if they have any copies of it at Mirage, and they're sold out. That's kind of a bummer. :tconfuse:

Karpo_007

11-21-2002, 03:51 PM

There are much better places to get comics from. You should try www.mycomicshop.com or www.milehighcomics.com

Jephael

11-21-2002, 03:58 PM

I might as well try it anyway, but the reason I like ordering from Mirage is that they're the ones who produced the comics in the first place so it's basically the same as getting back-issues.

Karpo_007

11-21-2002, 04:03 PM

Mirage didn't produce the archie comic. And their suply of any comic is very limited. I have all other mirage TMNT comic now but volume 2, so thats what i need to get from there. As for any other comics, best place's for them are the ones I listed.

Jephael

11-21-2002, 04:14 PM

I believe they Mirage co-produced the Archie series. Infact, there was actually an ad for TMNT Adventures in the back of Mirage Vol. 1 #39.

As for Vol. 2, Mirage Publishing has all 13 issues of it that you can mail order.