Bebop & Rocksteady

[raphael90]

I just like Shredder's henchmen. I liked them better actually before they were mutated, but they were always good for a laugh later on when they appear more regularly after Baxter was gotten rid of. I love that scene on the Technodrome in 'Enter The Shredder'

SHREDDER: Bebop, Rocksteady...destroy them!

ROCKSTEADY: Rar! With great pleasure master Shredder!

Both goons charge the Turtles.

MICHAELANGELO: Jump for it!

KONK! Both goons run into themselves.

SHREDDER: You idiots!

DONATELLO: The mutation didn't up their IQs any....


Also when they trap them in the zoo...

RAPHAEL: Now you boys have fun together and we'll be back to check on you...in about ten years!

:lol:

[Shellfox]

I do kinda wonder what happened to them while they were in D-X, before they seemed pretty smart, when they came back their IQs seemed to drop a few points. Always figured either the animal sides were getting stronger or Krang decided to experimant on them.

[heretic888]

when were those retarded characters ever smart??

[Karpo_007]

Never. But atleast they could fight in the first season.

[heretic888]

i wouldnt call running into each other the definiton of 'fighting'.

[Karpo_007]

Well Bebop almost broke splinters neck.

[Deathknight]

Actually, in Leonardo is missing Bebop and Rocksteady get the best of the TMNT when Leonardo isn't with them. The tmnt are winning at first but then Rocksteady throws Mikey into a machine and the turtles go over to see if he's ok and then Bebop and Rocksteady slam a machine into them.

[Shellfox]

Ok maybe smart was the wrong words but the first 5 eps, they actually worked pretty well, I mean the fights actually seemed like they were hard for the guys to win. Maybe its just cause they were new and the guys learned how to deal with them as the show progressed, but they seemed to have skill in the early eps that disappeared when they came back from D-X

[Karpo_007]

Thats because the whole show changed. The first season was action adventure, the rest were just slapstick comedy.

[Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan]

I never appreciated Bebop and Rocksteady for their physical prowess, or their ability to fight. I always liked those two goons because they could make me laugh. I know some people think they were stupid, but since I love to laugh, I thought the comedy they brought to the show was great. There are so many great episodes that feature those two bungling mutants, it's hard to decide which one to recommend:

Super Rocksteady and Mighty Bebop
Plan 6 from Outer Space
Rhino Man

Those are just a few worth mentioning if you're looking for something to make you laugh.

"It's RHINO-MAN!!! And his trusty side-kick, Mighty Hog."
"Hey! I thought you was gonna be the trusty side-kick!"

Rocksteady and Bebop, from "Rhino Man"

[Karpo_007]

Well I don't think that comedy is all bad. There were some comedy in original TMNT but the cartoon went overboard. Kids seemed to like it tough. Hell I even liked it when I was a kid. I stil like some episodes but i guess the show was made for younger audience.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Bebop & Rocksteady were cool, yeah they were part of a great show. And they do change a bit i noticed that after watching the first five episodes a few weeks ago. Rocksteady's voice is diffrent its more tougher and gruff then it was before. But i just loved them and its going be hard to have a new show without them, its going take me a while to adjust to with the whole new look and e verything, but its still going be a great show i'm sure.

[Karpo_007]

Probaby much better than the original. If the Overview is true, it will be hard work for them to make it bad.

[Nturtle]

don't count on it just yet Karpo, there are still plenty of ways this new show could be bad

[Karpo_007]

True. But I trust it wont.

[Nturtle]

hopefully, Jackie Chan adventures got old after a while and looking at some of the character designs like Shredder and Splinter and of course hearing the new theme song, I'm not so sure :dead:

[Karpo_007]

It going to follow the original plot line so it can't become boring. Of course after they start writing completely new plots it could, but i doubt it. And I like the Splinter design and I can live with Shredder if he can just fight fast. All in all i think it will be good.

Of course there is a down side. Playmates is funding the show again, and thus we will get the vehicles. But if they don't come up with new ones in every other episode I belive it won't be a problem.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Ah good Nturtle some agrees with me on the theme song and the designs for Splinter and Shredder

[Deathknight]

I dunno about the new show... Shredder being a successful business man? wtf is that about? I think the theme song is terrible and painful to listen to... if I encode the new show, don't except any eps with the theme.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Exactly i hate Shredder being a business man, and that song. Bring on the old show anyday.

[Karpo_007]

Well Original Shredder was kind of business man aside of leading the NEw York Branch of Foot. But this time On a much bigger scale. Well if you are waiting for a Clown Shredder like in first cartoon, you are going to be disappointed.

[Deathknight]

I just don't expect him to be a business man, he's a master ninja that never pays for anything, he justs steals it, :P

[heretic888]

Shredder is not a ninja.

[Mondo_Gecko]

He's not a ninja? WHAT??

[heretic888]

no, he's not. i could elaborate on this if you want....

[Kali]

Please, just not the long version. In a sense, Shredder's no more a "true" ninja than a HS biology student is a scientist.

[Mondo_Gecko]

I didn't know that cuz in the TV show he was amember of the foot clan .

[heretic888]

to paraphrase Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi, the foremost requirement of a true ninja is 'seishin', purity of heart and intention. Saki is no doubt quite skilled in some of the physical aspects of ninpo, but his heart is so filled with rage and hatred that it would be impossible for him to truly practice ninjutsu.

in short, Shredder possesses some ninja skills... but he lacks the 'essence' of the ninja way.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Ahh it all m a kes sense now thanks man.

[Kali]

Well, he is a fictional ninja, there's no doubt about that. But there's a huge difference between fictional ninjas and real life ninjas. Heretic's just hung up on the issue. Saki studies the physical aspects of ninjutsu but totally ignores the philosophy and morals behind the teachings. Corrupting the teachings, as it were.

[heretic888]

yes, there is a difference between fictitious and real life ninja.... but a fictitous ninja can still convey the 'feeling' of what ninjutsu represents.

Saki is not a true ninja within the context of his character. Mike, however, is.

Its not really a matter of not following certain ethical teachings either (althought that is part of it). Saki doesnt possess a certain feeling or quality that makes him a true ninja.

[Kali]

Well, Saki is the bad guy.

I still think you're too hung up on the issue.

[Mondo_Gecko]

And Shredder is an awesome badguy.

[heretic888]

yes, Saki makes an excellent antagonist.

hung up, neh? you really dont know anything about my motivations, intentions, or life activities... so i think that would be a callous judgment to say the least.

[raphael90]

I think Shredder is the perfect enemy. Here we have someone who was bad from the beginning but he was once a normal ninja. Then he saw the right time to get rid of his master whom he obviously hated. Then he changed names just like Darth Vader, masked his face and took up a life of crime.

I guess it would be too cliche if they just picked up the show where it left off eh? I never even watched the last few seasons when I left the Turtle realm for a while.

[Karpo_007]

Well, Saki was trained to revenge his brother. Actually they used his desire of vengeance to motivate his training. True Ninja or not? Im not sure they ever said he was a ninja.

[Sparvid]

Well Original Shredder was kind of business man aside of leading the NEw York Branch of Foot. But this time On a much bigger scale. Well if you are waiting for a Clown Shredder like in first cartoon, you are going to be disappointed.One thing that isn't clear from the series overview is if Shredder's Foot is the only one, or a branch of a larger organization. It only says "The Foot is a well-oiled organized crime ring, led by the Shredder". Personally, I'm hoping there will be more Foot branches, which could make some interesting stories...

[Karpo_007]

Yeah... I dont belive they would change the plot that much.

[FreshRazz]

They made ya laugh
They made you cry
they always gave it their best try
tryin to make the turtles fry
it's to bad them two didn't die...:P

I'm kidding they were classic who would of guessed they'd be the best source of comic relief! :lol: Too bad they ain't in the new show!

[heretic888]

In the comic series itself, Shredder was just the leader of the New York branch of the Foot. Karai was the leader of the Foot in Japan (and thus the leader of the Foot as a whole). She claimed that Saki had diverted from the teachings and wishes of the Foot and had purused his own agenda.

[Sparvid]

"Under Saki's leadership, the Foot was soon involved in many criminal activities: drug smuggling, arms running... And their speciality, assassination."
-TMNT #1

[heretic888]

its never really made clear the nature of the Foot in Japan, although they are definitely psycho-killers under Saki.

[Sparvid]

Yoshi was "the greatest Shadow Warrior" of "the famous Foot clan, the most feared warriors and assassins in all Japan". So they were assassins, but did no criminal activities :)

[heretic888]

assassin or criminal does not necessarily mean 'evil'.

[Karpo_007]

What is evil is a matter of opinnion but assasination is against the law. Well it doesnt matter anyway.

[heretic888]

no 'evil' per se is not a matter of opinion either.

[Karpo_007]

Well atleast it's against the Law. And in my opinnion assasination can be considered evil. If you think otherwise, then it's matter of opinnion.

[heretic888]

uggh... you want to talk about morality here, and this is an area most people just cant understand.

i'll put it this way. all actions have both good and evil consequences, no matter what they are. it is the intention and motivation behind the action that determines its morality.

you say assassinatons are 'evil'. If Hitler was asassinated, I doubt the Jews would have seen it that way. Yet, the German people as a whole would have mourned. every action has positive and negative effects on different people. thus only the intenton behind actions is a true determinate for morality.

[Karpo_007]

Í didnt say it was wrong. Besides You cant say that the Japanese foot werent killing Priests or whatever. IS it good or Evil right or wrong depends on the reader. To me it's all same. Foot were assasins, thats fine with me.

[heretic888]

like i said, the nature of the Japanese Foot is never revealed by Eastman and Laird. They DID say that the intentions of the original foudning members of the clan were not 'evil'.

right and wrong is a matter of intention, not percpetion. if an individual's intentions are selfless and compassionate, then he or she is doing 'good'. why? because, ultimately, we have no control over the repercussions of our actions in that we all lack omniscience.