Dreamwave comics

[AquaParade]

I was wondering...is this series worth pickin up? I know its only 8 issues..but I thought it might be something cool to read...is it dark? funny? what? ...does it manage to fit in an interesting story in 8 issues? ...anddd does anyone know a good site for ordering cheap comics? A site that includes back issues as well..

[bedbugjones]

um basicly it collects the first four episodes of the current tv show but thorgh another chrecters point of view(#1a purple dragon member#2april o neal#3baxter stockman#4casey jones)its pretty cool and the art is amazing 5-7is a origanal storyline it okay and #8was never released you can order them for less then 2 bucks here enjoy http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=86407528575&snumber=1

[Aztec General]

IMHO it's really not worth picking up at all.

[mogu-pills-of-life]

The first four are not worth the money as you can see them on TV, but the other issues in this series are alot of fun to read. However, I am an iconoclastic human being :lol:

[DrSpengler]

I tried but was unimpressed on all counts. LeSean's art just isn't my thing; way too "stylised", like Humberto Ramos and Francisco Herera. Not to my taste. And I really had no interest in reading stories recycled from the cartoon even if it was from another character's POV.

[mogu-pills-of-life]

Yea true, but the artwork doesn't matter to me as much as the story and plot.

[Tigerfog]

Yea true, but the artwork doesn't matter to me as much as the story and plot.
...which could have saved the TMNT Dreamwave comics. It's sad, but I thought the Dreamwave comics had a lot of potential: Great catchphrases, amazing artwork and great action scenes...but unfortunately I think the storywriter expected to do much more interesting character development and stories in later issues. So what we got in the first seven issues was probably just a fraction of what he had in mind. Would it have been epic? Tragic? Classy?
*sigh* We'll never know. But the issues 5-7 had the turtles actually interact with people from the surface. Coolness. ;)

[mogu-pills-of-life]

Its plot wasn't bad :ohwell:

[Space Lieutenant Josh]

Well, the writer, from what I've heard, wasn't a TMNT fan-- he was doing it for his kids. Of course, we'll never know now.

[jestergoblin]

the whole series had more of a "huh... that's interesting" reflection on the cartoons. Then it kinda fell apart.

[zkarlette]

I think that being only 7 issues is not a bad investment I finally got all of them am Im happy about it cause the art is good and the last stories are well written

[Coola Yagami]

It was ok, but you know... they shoulda shown stuff like Shredder and the Triceratons to make the series last. If they skipped the whole 'Raph meets the lil girl and Leo trains a street kid' storyline and just went straight to the T4 one, the series would have probably still been running today.

[Jaf]

Would'nt be running. Good old Lee brothers didn't pay their artists. The whole Dreamwave thing is a big Enron-like fraud. Their books were best-sellers and they still could'nt pay the bills. Sad for the TMNT book cuz it was a nice hip-hop twist for the turtles. And the first four issues gave a new light to some secondary characters (n°4 with Casey Jones is quite enjoyable, since the caseman's past wasn't really explored in any other media). Not essential, but better than the whole Image vol.3, Eastman/Bisley's Bodycount or the Savage Dragon crossovers.

[Space Lieutenant Josh]

Aw, that's cold... Bodycount was fun. It wasn't huge on character development or anything like that, but it was just a big bunch of fun. Of course, to each their own, and I guess I can see where you're coming from.

As for Casey, the one major thing they've changed about him is his motivation. Originally, he wanted to fight crime because of TV crime shows like the A-Team and Charlie's Angels, etc., etc., and now he has the more traditional vigilante's origin of having watched tragedy befall someone he loves at the hands of gang members. Which, y'know, prolly gives writers more to work with, but I still like the old origin a little better.

[Jaf]

Well, if you read the issue carefully, you'll notice that Casey's father didn't die at the hands of the Purple Dragons, but just ran away, leaving his family behind. And so did his mother after Case was labelled «brain damaged». What's interesting about how his origin is told in DW is that it focuses on the one profound motivation of Casey : he never cared about «fighting crime»; the whole vigilant business is just a way for him to work trough his culpability. He's blaming himself because of the failure his family was, so he's doing «heroic» things to prove his value, which he thinks will get his family back together. The fact is, is family was a mess anyway, his father an arrogant coward, and the Purple Dragons had nothing to do with it (Mr. Jones would probably have paid them if he had the money). But aknowleding this would reduce Case's self-construction to zip, so he has to find a scapegoat : Purple Dragons, crime, gangs, etc. All in all, watching the TV shows was just the trigger that slowly woke Casey's childhood trauma and made him adopt an ultraviolent behavior. Heck, he's as dangerous as any organized gang member, and the scene on the last pages with the family in his block shows that most people can't see a difference between him and other gangs. This behaviour will eventually led to the events of «Shades of Grey», where he finally realizes what the true nature of his vigilante mask is. And Casey's profound desire for a stable family, as shown in this issue, helps explain why he befriends so easily with big green mutants : the turtles, Splinter and April are everything he never had as a child, i.e. a tightly knitted family, where people tell the truth and courageously stand for one another.

And, yeah, Bodycount was fun. But that kind of comics wouldn't keep me into TMNT if it was only that.

You'll get no extra points knowing where I come from, buddy : it's right in «location» Now you try finding it on the map! :D

[cowabunga14]

I have a friend that's gonna give me number three along with TMNT # 10 Vol. 1 and some X-Men comics. I looked on the offical website at number three of the Dreamwave series. How did Baxter get that body cast? Was he involved in a fight? Was number three good? It was different from the Attack of the Mousers episode. I'll read it and debate if I like it or not. It looks pretty good though.

[Space Lieutenant Josh]

Well, if you read the issue carefully, you'll notice that Casey's father didn't die at the hands of the Purple Dragons, but just ran away, leaving his family behind.

I'm well aware that he didn't die, I just said Casey befell tragedy-- in this case that tragedy involves his parents leaving. The one flashbulb memory that continually appears is that of the Purple Dragons burning down the store, thus his association of tragedy with them.

But yeah, it is explored more fully in Dreamwave, and Casey is given a past, when before it was only very vague, involving a brass cow and an old farmhouse, some money in a brick in the wall, and violent aggression resulting in damaged walls.

[Jaf]

Oy! Sorry, S. Lt. Josh; Jaf reads to much theatre theory (where the word «tragedy» implies that someone dies at the end). We be all very wise mon!

(And you forgot to mention that strange and deranged habit of refusing to assume the name Arnold!)


I heard the DW run will be published in U.K. Wonder if the elusive n°8 will be in it. Anybody as info?

[Space Lieutenant Josh]

Number 8 actually isn't coming to print, I don't think. Last I heard, LeSean was selling the few pages of pencils that were actually finished at this point.