Konami fu*ks With Turtles in Time

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, I never post in here do I :D

I've seen some official videos of the game (sorry, can't post them), and I can say for certain that the Turtles in Time game in TMNT:3 coming up is a recompiled version and NOT the original.

They have placed in more enemies, and replaced the Pizza Power song with the sh*t theme from the new series. It is possible that more changes will be made before release (possibly even character designs)


I am a video game purist, and to me, fu*king with what I consider history's greatest brawler is evil. Don't get me wrong, I love the new series with a passion, and I believe it should have video games based off of it, but Turtles in Time is based off the old TMNT, and it should stay that way. If the recompile was to make it perform better, I'd be fine with it. But they're screwing with it for the modern audience and covering up the old day's existence. This is wrong IMO, and frankly, I'm mad over it. If they didn't listen to fans, the original TMNT arcade game wouldn't have been in the last game.

[Ryona]

Tell them to leave it alone! God! I can't believe they're ****ing with it! This world we live in today angers me. :evil:


One thing that especially pisses me off is that they're replacing an awesome song with the crappy theme song of the new series! :sick:

[ThirdMarioBro]

Amen to that. People shouldn't mess with the classics, especially ones as loved as this one. It's just wrong on so many levels.

Pizza Power is an immortal theme song. It's the same as if Sega went back and jerked out the old classic Sonic the Hedgehog music and replaced it with....oh, I dunno, "GOTTA GO FASTER, FASTER, FASTER< SONIC X!"

Yeah, scary thought.

Hell, I still go to Chuck E Cheese once in a blue moon just to play this sucker when I'm depressed. Replacing the music alone is wrong, but the other stuff they're considering is plain sacriligious.

[Ninja Tiptup]

What?!?!?!? THEY DARE REPLACE PIZZA POWER?

Konami = FAIL

This is worse than replacing the music in the original arcade game.

But for the record, that's the arcade version and the SNES version isn't the exact same so they aren't ruining the game design itself just the music again.

The arcade of Turtles in Time has larger sprites, different bad guys and less levels.

So don't get too bent out of shape about this. It should be an exact emulation like the other arcade game but with different music again. But no Pizza Power makes me sad, very sad indeed.

I loved when Konami annouced they release the old arcade games on the next gen games but playing them without the original music just isn't the same.

I guess it can't be helped if someone else owns the music and Konami can't use it but darn it... why can't it be the exact same when it's the same company porting it to next gen systems?

[KROW]

The hell? There was nothing wrong with TMNT IV. If they wanted to make it better, they could have made Slash a little easier to beat. :P But really, why tamper with something so great? I don't despise the theme of the new show per se, but to replace "Pizza Power" with it is ridiculous.

I say Konami should just leave the game alone.

[Weapon X]

Jeez what a bunch of douche's, why mess with something so great which is part of a completly different period of time, the simpler days that is. Man and to mess with the music should be a federal offence, Im glad I still got the SNES version.

[OA]

That game was the sole reason I picked up a SNES...to make ANY changes is uncalled for becuase the game is practically perfect...so i definately don't want to see this game altered..not one bit, esp replacing the classic Pizza Power

[Space Lieutenant Josh]

I wouldn't mind if a few of the typos were fixed up... it's "slimEballs," Metalhead. Geez, you'd think a robot could spell.

But I totally agree, they need to leave Turtles in Time alone. After all, it isn't about the new cartoon. The new cartoon did not exist yet.

It's not about the old cartoon either, or the movies, or the Archie or Mirage comics. It's about all of those put together-- a reminder of the turtles' legacy... not to be ****ed with.

[Spitfire]

What the Hell! My favorite arcade game...myfavorite Super Nintendo game and they want to rape it? No...they don't need to change a damn thing! Unless they replace the mud monster with Slash like in the home version. I don't mind it they change that but anything else is a NO. Why is it Megaman and Sonic can get whole collections of their games unaltered but TMNT has to get this treatment? Gah that pisses me off! And they better not do what they did with the last game and make the music the same for every level that was boring and LAME!

[Jester]

Ok...I'm gonnaplay devils advocate....I'd like to see both first. Yes the original TiT wasa great game....I just wish I could see the visual changes first. The changing of themes....that's just bogus...I love the Pizza Power opener....in fact that opening bit led me to track down the song...But I'd still like to see the visual redux....would they replace characters from the OT and movies with NT counterparts. I think it'd at least be interesting to see a retooled version....rather than just go off and say, "They're screwing with a classic!" I say, if it's not to much trouble, put both versions on...have the option on the title screen of "Classic" or "Re-mix" or something....I'd like to see how they retool it is all...call me curious.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, I just found out they're scrapping the whole soundtrack and replacing it with some modern crap. Most likely the 4Kids underscore from the new series.

The original Turtles in Time music reused the classic theme here and there throughout the game, and they don't want to pay for the rights to reuse it (which isn't much, believe me).

This burns my ass because it's no longer the same game without that mucic, and it was written by th same guy who did the Gradius series at Konami back in the day. This is wrong on so many levels. The new music won't even be done in the old style. It'll be some heavy metal sh*t.

A few more comments, and I'll start getting the letter ready.

[Spitfire]

God damn it! And when you say heavy metal you mean some lame ass trying to play guitar and some loser trying to play drums. Just like the last game <_< GAh that bites

[Jester]

Ok...this does wang chung....the music made the game...:(

[Ninja Tiptup]

Turtles in Time had some of the best video game music ever IMO. So this is sacrilige!

[Ecto Jedi]

I honestly can't even begin to comprehend what those idiots at Konami are thinking...Yes, including the old arcade games in the new console beat-em-ups is a good idea; indeed, the prospect of playing these classic arcade brawlers on our PS2s has had many fans excited. But altering these great games (which came out at the height of the Turtles' popularity back in the 90's) to make them more like the new series is an atrocious offense to all things Holy and good on this Earth.

The idea that Konami is totally scrapping the old soundtracks and replacing them with new music is appalling, quite frankly. This simply goes to show you that Konami doesn't really care about fans of the old cartoon --- by altering the game, the company is trying to appease newer fans and is literally giving us old-schoolers the finger. (Jesus, I'm only 17 and I'm considered an old-schooler??) No matter how good the newer version of "Turtles in Time" will play, changing the core formula is not a smart move on Konami's part: they've advertised the inclusion of the old arcade game, not some half-assed version with music pulled from the new series and altered graphics.

I was peeved about a year ago at the state of the original Turtles arcade game in "TMNT 2: Battle Nexus", too. The classic theme of the 1987-1996 cartoon plays an integral part in the richness of the old TMNT property, and replacing it with an annoying, nerve-gratingly repetitive song from the new series was a huge mistake. The game just ended up looking and feeling unpolished --- a real travesty, in my opinion. If they really want to alter the original arcade games, why don't they keep the music and sound effects, but change the game code so that you can't keep inserting quarters over and over again when you haven't yet died...!

"Cowabunga! Cowabunga! Cowabunga! Cowa-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cow-Cowabunga!"

Jesus, that was one of the most annoying things I've experienced in a video games. At the very least, I thought Konami would learn from its mistakes and include a full, unaltered version of "Turtles in Time" in the new "TMNT 3: Mutant Nightmare"...Instead, they're making the same mistakes and all new ones, too.

Jeez I am pissed about this...

[Spitfire]

Well theres two things to do to fight this. Start a pention online to make the game unaltered or don't buy it.

Or Find someone who knows programming and download a MAME rom of the arcade game and them replace that with the one in the game and then burn a copy of it and play it that way. But that's pretty diffcult...I say pention

[Jester]

Heck....I haven't even been able to play the clasic arcade game in my TMNT 2, for the PC...:(

[Ryona]

It's official. Konami sucks as much ass as Playmates now.

[Spitfire]

It's official. Konami sucks as much ass as Playmates now.
It's been that way for a long time...unless it's Metal gear or Castlevania they don't care about it.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'll be citing the Technodrome in this letter and including all of the best quotes in this thread from you guys, seeing as we represent a widespread core of the TMNT fanbase. Konami needs a wake-up call.

[Spitfire]

Make sure you post it here before you send it to em so we can see it ^_^ Sitck it to them good!

[Ninja Tiptup]

I talked to a friend about this and he brought up a good point... It might have been 4kids that caused them to replace the music. They do afterall replace the music in all foreign properties and never used any of the music from the old TMNT show or even tryed to remix it like Transformers does. In which case I'd finally have a reason to dislike 4kids when it relates to TMNT besides the DVD releases.

Konami is getting lazy on their license games though. No doubt about that. Even so there's no good reason not to pay the royalties to use the old music. They had a better excuse with the first arcade since it borrowed heavily from the old shows music but Turtles in Time had mostly an original score and a VERY awesome one at that. Only a few tunes used the music from the cartoon and even remixed it. I don't think Konami has a lack of appreciation for the old music given the first GBA game's final battle with Shredder has some kind of remix of the old Shredder theme from the TMNT arcade game.

Yeah... I'll go with my gut feeling and blame 4kids. I always do for just about everything else...

[Space Lieutenant Josh]

This is sorta a microcosm of why I don't buy video games anymore period. It seems like the care and precision has gone out of it. I mean, sure they still make good games, but the polish isn't really there. Mario Sunshine was a lot of fun, but it wasn't as polished as Super Mario 64, it felt somewhat rushed. Don't even get me started on recent Starfox games as compared to the first two. There was a lot of care put into these old games that new ones just aren't getting.

In the case of Turtles in Time (and even SNES's Tournament Fighters), Konami obviously wanted to give fans a last hurrah. Now the industry is a lot more about dollar competition. Competition has gotten so heated between 1st party developers, 3rd party developers, and again between 1st and 3rd parties, that things are more about hype and profit than the actual game.

[ThirdMarioBro]

deleated for security reasons

-TMB

[XERO]

Add this:

Why mess up what is cosidered by many the BASE of all Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles videogames? This is nothing but an pure insult to the people. People that spent MILLIONS of dollars on YOUR TMNT software that YOU'VE made. Why not just give us our money back if you're just going to sell us out like this? We've supported the company ever since the first videogames debuted in 1989. And even though this is 2005, there are some things that must not be tampered with in any fashion. Turtles In Time is one of them. Perhaps you should just make a TMNT videogame collection instead, because this is a HUGE mistake. This is Game of Death all over again...

[Kid Icarus]

Bad idea, Konami. And you wonder why people are starting to ignore your games, especially the new TMNT games?

How about, while you're porting or emulating Turtles in Time, you pay attention what you did RIGHT, and apply it to the new games? Then you won't have to put ten year old games in as a gimmick to get them to sell to fans.

Hell, how about instead of wasting our time pumping out more TMNT crap you rerelease the old games by them selves on one disc, hm? Sega, Namco, and Midway have all done, and Nintendo's even offering their classic titles on a download service on the upcomming Revolution. It'd be cheap, TMNT fans would buy it, brawler fans would buy it, and casual players love those $20 5-in-1 games.

If you change anything with Turtles in Time, I will NOT buy TMNT 3. It won't be worth it, when as far as I can tell TMNT 3 plays exactaly like TMNT 1 and TMNT 2.

Really, Konami, you're turning into EA Games with this crap.

[Tigerfog]

If you change anything with Turtles in Time, I will NOT buy TMNT 3. It won't be worth it, when as far as I can tell TMNT 3 plays exactaly like TMNT 1 and TMNT 2.


Agreed. Personally, I've bought TMNT1 on PS2 because I wanted to support Konami at first. Then, when TMNT2 was released, I rented it on PS2 but I was skeptical... and my fears were confirmed. The game was not as good as expected. I didn't unlock the classic game since the game was rented but since everybody here's being telling how butched the port was, I totally gave up on TMNT2... it was hopeless, even for a long-time TMNT fan like me.
When I saw previews of TMNT3 on PS2, I crossed my fingers and hoped that the game itself would be a lot better than TMNT2(PS2). From what you guys said so far, I think the Turtles in Time arcade game would be the only redeeming point in the whole package. Unfortunately, it seems the nostalgic feeilng we all expect will be totally absent.

Did you guys know that petitions from fans might work if we express ourselves enough? For instance, take Ys6:Ark of Napishtim. Before the game was to be released here, Konami said that the game's original soundtrack would be replaced by a newly orchestrated soundtrack (which was actually remixes from all previous Ys installments). Fans did not accept this and expressed their discontent to Konami. Somehow, when the game was finally released, the original soundtrack was back to where it belonged and Konami was able to win back the hearts of loyal Ys fans.

Perhaps we can make a little difference this time for TMNT3. I hope so, for I don't see a glint of hope for the TMNT video game franchise's future if things remain the way they are.

[Demented Utrom]

What is wrong with origional music,they made the music.
The guy, made the music for game is probably really mad about that.
They, better have the same levels and the length to.
What, are the extra enemies being adding in.
There goes, the Shredder final boss theme.
I have played, both Arcade verison and the Super Nes verison.
I prefer, the Arcade game more.
Dumb move, on konami's part replacing the origional music.

[tOkKa]

-->> So to get it straight.. this is not port of the SNES version of TMNT in time.. but the arcade ?!

..my mind is racin' as fast as sonic right now so it's hard to make clear what all is going on with dev- on this game.


In TMNT 2 :B.N. .. the real meat of the game was the actual game it self.. the arcade port of TMNT 1 wasn't all that.. and yeh like you guys are sayin' .. cuz the laziness to import the original music kind of killed it. The boss music just repeated over and over. It was ok to play the orginal game.. but the audio element smooshed down to some generic 'made up on a whim' theme did make it less of an experiance.

.. i dunno..

i like the the new TMNT games.. the 'extras' seem lazy and pointless if they aren't gonna port the whole thing.. music and all. :(

..i'm kinda sad too..

is Konami and Mirage,4Kids really that lazy and cheap to say ..'****.. we aren't gonna pay extra for license fees for some silly theme songs ..no.. let's just hire that Monkey n' organ grinder again !!

http://www.georgeglazer.com/prints/illus/wein-monkeygrind.JPG

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[tOkKa]

-->> ..gee i must be out of it.. i totally missed TMB's letter..

GOOD JOB,Dawggy @@ !! :)

[tOkKa]

-->> TMB ,Can you add my comment please ?! :sick:




"Please keep the classic and beloved game..TMNT :Tuerles in Time in it's original form. Altering it in anyway would ruin it for so many older Ninja Turtles fans and hurt the chance for new fans to enjoy it in it truest form. All the original elemnts of 'Turtles in Time' are why this game continues to remain so important and memorable to many fans ..altering it in such a manner as has been reported would destroy it.Please keep it in tact for preservation of this beloved game for old and new TMNT fans alike. Thank you"

[Coola Yagami]

I hope this works... I have the feeling no matter what we do they'll go ahead and do whatever anyways, maybe replace Bebop and Rocksteady with Hun and Baxterfly with Ultrom Baxter or something.

[Spitfire]

You know I don't get it...I mean their so lazy isn't it eaiser to just port the thing the way it is anyways. Changing stuff makes them do work. And so does changing the music. Stupid really...I mean what's the point of spending all the time changing it when they could be spending it on other stuff. What their gona take out Krang? And make the turtles knee and elbow pads brown? And make the Shredder look like he does in the new show? And Splinter? And April? And the foot soliders are going to be human? Hell why don't they just make a whole new game and call it the same name for that <_<

[GK Punk]

Maybe they don't own the rights to the song anymore.

It happens with WWE Games all the time, they don't hold the licence for certain entrance themes, so they are replaced with other generic ones.

[The Stryker]

^ True. You don't know the flap that goes around when Batista's theme isn't right.

But still this a matter that we can't really help, They're gonna do this apparently and i doubt a couple of guys like us are gonna change their minds.

Plus im kinda interested in it...i have a TMNT:Turtles in time cabinet anyway.

[Spitfire]

Maybe they don't own the rights to the song anymore.

It happens with WWE Games all the time, they don't hold the licence for certain entrance themes, so they are replaced with other generic ones.
Well fine change ONE song or all of them but why these other changes?

[tOkKa]

-->> ..isn't there something disturbing.. (maybe trivial ..) happening here ?!

They are toying with history in a way.. Peter Laird and company are kinda caving into the corprate control and away from the needing to kep control that originally made TMNT a powerhouse to begin with.

I've been open minded to new game plays.. i've enjoyed the incarnations of TMNTs as the years have gone by. I really like the past few Turtle games (yeh..that's just me..).

If it's letting Fred Wolf control every single aspect of the rights to the old cartoon..(thus apperantly not leting anyone use anything from the original including theme music..). So it's ok for Mirage to create the characters..and own the rights to that. But Fred Wolf and his pals can just take that ball away from them and everyone and run with it saying.. "No No No .. it's mine !!". Sh5t.. so it's no wonder ..just short of ebay.. kids prolly won't ever get a decent and official release of things like the TMNT anime (Wolf owns that too !!)

Peter Laird wants to alter some of the clasic TMNT volume one books.. might as well be considered TMNT 'Special Edition' .. becuase he's had fallings out with people ..and now that he's total in control.. he can alter history any which way he wants. What a great trend..

..just cuz he doesn't like something.. he has the right to alter anything. 4Kids picks up that trend.. and now we're getting an official hack and alteration of a classic game.

Fabulous.

Maybe Konami and 4 Kids just don't care .. $$ is always the bottom line.. and they figure enough kids and fans are gonna buy the game to turn a hot buck.

..gee..

Alot of people don't like me.. thinking i'm just some crazy f7ck. But all these little alterations and twisting of things is really bothering me. Maybe i am crazy .. maybe you don't consider me to be less of of a Turtle fan cuz i really enjoy the classic TMNT versosn,Next Mutation, and alot of the less popular elements TMNT's currrent incarnation. Whatever. I get this stuff all the time.

There's some really bothering things happening here.. i kind of hope TMB's letter will wake some people up. And i'm applauding his effort and the people contributing to it.

Hey ..ignore me if you want. I don't post regulary enuff' to have clout around here.

But i'm not retarded.. i think i have some valid points. I saw this crap happening last year when they altered the original TMNT arcade game. :(

[Kid Icarus]

The Music, GK, isn't the point.

They're talking about changing the way it *looks*. Yes, graphics arn't important... but why waste time, money, and talent upgraded an old game when they *should* be paying attention what made the original games so good? And why the hell would you mess with a classic look like this? Yes, Nintendo changed the original Metroid, but those were accompanied with new gameplay mechanics and improvments on level design. You can't change the level design in a brawler like that... you walk left to right, hit things, move on.

Variety, my friends, is what made those games fun. Each level had some new formation to take down, introduced some new element to the design. Another top notch example of this kind of game development in action is Super Mario World. All 96 levels of that game had at least one new thing in it, be it a new enemy or a new block, it kept new things comming your way. Konami needs to impliment this. Brawlers get boring quickly, but by tossing new things at you left and right, it'd keep it fresh. It shoulden't be that hard, with Konami's experiance, to understand this simple concept of game design.

[Ecto Jedi]

Even more people should put their quotes into this letter --- we may not change Konami's mind about this issue, but at least we'll have our voices heard!

I'll post this whole thing up on my Blog, too. The more people who see this, the better.

[jestergoblin]

Odds are the rights for the music aren't owned by Komani. It was probably done by the the studio that used to do the TMNT toon.

As a complete aside, what is with all the anime butt's as sigs?

[tOkKa]

..
As a complete aside, what is with all the anime butt's as sigs?

-->> http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3333/spitfiresigsplit028tc.jpg

..it's where we're all gonna be takin' it when Konami puts out this game..


:o

[Spitfire]

Fear my unbelievabley perfect anime ass!

[tOkKa]

Fear my unbelievabley perfect anime ass!

-->> http://www.tinowa.de/Bilder/juli-notizen/cottage%20cheese.jpg

:P .. ;)

[ThirdMarioBro]

Okay guys. The letter has been submitted to all branches of Konami. The president, vice president, development studio, and a copy to the developers themselves. Thank you for your hard work, and I'll post any responces here.


I'll also be deleating the post before sending the letter. If you want a copy, PM me.

[XERO]

Thanks, TMB. Let's hope this works out to a agreement on both accounts.

And yes, I'd like a copy, please. :D

[Ecto Jedi]

And now, we inevitably play the waiting game.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Am I the only person here that really dosen't care about what theyr'e doing to Turtles in Time that much. I just care about the main game. I want to know how well thats gonna play.

Besides, as long as the gameplay remains the same on Turtles in Time, what's the big deal.

[Ryona]

Am I the only person here that really dosen't care about what theyr'e doing to Turtles in Time that much. I just care about the main game. I want to know how well thats gonna play.

Besides, as long as the gameplay remains the same on Turtles in Time, what's the big deal.


The thing is, they're messing around with a classic.

I don't think it would be ok if someone decided to **** up the classic Mona Lisa protrait just to modernize it.

This kind of behaviour is just uncalled for.



Here's two sayings that come to mind...

"Why mess around with a good thing?"

"If it ain't broken, don't fix it."

[XERO]

I agree, Ryona.

They're called 'classics' for a reason...

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I understand that your upset, but it just dosent really phase me. Like I said, I'm getting this game for the main game. Turtles in Time is just, more bang for my buck.

[The Stryker]

If you want to play the original download a rom or play your old cartridges. geez its not like Konami is sending guys to your house to destroy and burn any evidence of the original.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, like I said in the letter, when George Lucas screwed around with Star Wars, he altered a classic, and everyone reised hell. Its the same thing here, except the "classic" in question applies to a much smaller fanbase. They want a new audience to like it like we did, but they feel that because its old, they've got to make it "cool" for that audience, and loose why we liked it in the firstplace.

What they don't realize is that the majority of the TMNT fanbase is over 16 by quite a margin. They piss us off, they alieniate their core users, and the game sells poorly. Hell, most young fans I meet are actually very interested in the TMNT's past. They think that what they've grown to love so recently, actually has a past and has been around for some time. They don't diss it because "its something their dad watched" or something. They resepct it a little more when I tell them about all the old stuff. Its actually rather amazing. Konami TMNT consumer base today, is pretty much the same as it was then. Just that we're older now. They're probobly just going to go ahead and do what their "focus testing" (aka, the fat guy in the marketing department who watches the WB to find out about modern culture) tells them to do and fu8k it up, but if we boycott it, perhaps they'll never do something like that again. Of course it'll be too late as there isn't really any other TMNT games to fu*k up that they'd bother with, but whatever.

[jestergoblin]

"Unfortunately, like the previous port of the first arcade game, Konami was unable to get the rights to use all of the original music and sound effects (due to mildly complicated licensing reasons), so many sounds have been replaced or eliminated." - Gamespy

[Ninja Tiptup]

So help me if they got rid of the hillarious sound clips!!!

"Aw... and I just got out of the shower"

"Should have brought the sun screen"

Classic, every last one of them

[Spitfire]

If you want to play the original download a rom or play your old cartridges. geez its not like Konami is sending guys to your house to destroy and burn any evidence of the original.
The rom version sucks and my SNES cart is starting to show it's age...I played it last weekend and it has a growing number of glitches. As for the ROM I hate playing games like that with a keyboard it isn't the same. And also you can't play the arcade version on SNES...

I understand that your upset, but it just dosent really phase me. Like I said, I'm getting this game for the main game. Turtles in Time is just, more bang for my buck.
That's a good postive way to look at it. But the point everyone is trying to make is. What's the point of having it in there if your not going to play it. Their just spending wasted time on something no ones going to bother unlocking if they know it's going to be a destroyed version of their beloved Turtles In Time.

[StealthNinjaScyther]

I'd rather that Konami wouldn't have to replace the music, but realistically they might have to do that. Hopefully they'll do the right thing and make sure they do it the right way, unlike what happened to the first arcade game. But adding more enemies on screen? Why would they do that? Honestly, I just played it (not the real deal, unfortunately) but the game is already cheap enough. Really, the game hasn't aged that well. I think that the SNES version, despite downgraded graphics, less soundbytes, and no 4-player, plays far better. So if they're going through the trouble of altering the game they should at least try to fix some of the flaws in the original; namely cheap AI and the annoying auto run function.

Oh, and Spitfire666xXxXx, you say your SNES version is glitching? What do you mean specifically? 9 times out of ten I'd say that the contacts need cleaning and that should fix any problems.

[Spitfire]

Oh, and Spitfire666xXxXx, you say your SNES version is glitching? What do you mean specifically? 9 times out of ten I'd say that the contacts need cleaning and that should fix any problems.
Yeah...when I'm playing randomly it will glitch out. Like the sprites will get all warped in certin areas when I fight and stuff. Doesn't happen too often but often enough.

[lilonardo]

What have Playmates done wrong?

Konami sucks as much donkey as Playmates

[lilonardo]

3rd Mario bro, ask Konami if they can give us the original Turtles in time instead of a modded one!

[Kid Icarus]

Am I the only person here that really dosen't care about what theyr'e doing to Turtles in Time that much. I just care about the main game. I want to know how well thats gonna play.

Besides, as long as the gameplay remains the same on Turtles in Time, what's the big deal.
The new game is going to play like utter crap. Why? Because Konami doesn't understand what made the originals so much fun.

As I tried pointing out, if they would try to LEARN from TiT instead of altering it, just *maybe* TMNT3 would sell better. That's the point. Don't waste your freaking time updating a game that doesn't need it, worry about your current products and how to make them just as good as the past ones.

[NeoBix]

This definitely sucks. They should keep the oldschool Turtles in Time music, but what did you expect? They already butchered the music in the original turtles arcade game when they put it in Battle Nexus.

They're just idiots. That's all I can say about it.

[lilonardo]

Did Konami modify the original TMNT arcade game too?

since everybody here's being telling how butched the port was, I totally gave up on TMNT2

[Ryona]

What have Playmates done wrong?

Practicly all the action figures of the new series are awful in sculpture. I think the biggest problem is how ****ed up the TMNT heads are. The original TMNT are fine and the toddler TMNT are fine too, but the rest of them have misshapen heads. >.<


3rd Mario bro, ask Konami if they can give us the original Turtles in time instead of a modded one!

That's what he's trying to do. That's what this whole thread is about.

Please read posts carefully so you know what's going on.

[NeoBix]

Did Konami modify the original TMNT arcade game too?

Yeah they did. The one that is unlockable in Battle Nexus. As far as I know all they modified in it was the music and the sound effects, but it really made all of us oldschool TMNT fans upset. :(

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

That's a good postive way to look at it. But the point everyone is trying to make is. What's the point of having it in there if your not going to play it. Their just spending wasted time on something no ones going to bother unlocking if they know it's going to be a destroyed version of their beloved Turtles In Time.

Well how do you really know it's gonna be that bad. Maybe it's only gonna be the music and sounds that will be altered afterall. And while those things do matter sometimes, they don't change how the game plays. The first arcade game was still fun to play, I'm this will be too. This is just like all those people looking down on the Gamecube because it didn't play dvds, it didn't have online capibility, and it's substational lack of M rated games.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

The new game is going to play like utter crap. Why? Because Konami doesn't understand what made the originals so much fun.

As I tried pointing out, if they would try to LEARN from TiT instead of altering it, just *maybe* TMNT3 would sell better. That's the point. Don't waste your freaking time updating a game that doesn't need it, worry about your current products and how to make them just as good as the past ones.

How do you know how it's gonna play? The game isn't do out for another few months. In case you haven't noticed the new series is diffrent from the old. So naturally, the games should be diffrent. But then again, the games formula have stayed the same. Basically theyr'e both beat-em ups. It's just that the new games are trying to incorporate more elements. Really, the biggest thing the old games have going for them is the nostalgic factor.

[lilonardo]

I believe he is asking "what should I say to Konami? " . I was answering his question.


asking konami to include the original "Turtles in time" game is what he's trying to do

[The Stryker]

How do you know how it's gonna play? The game isn't do out for another few months. In case you haven't noticed the new series is diffrent from the old. So naturally, the games should be diffrent. But then again, the games formula have stayed the same. Basically theyr'e both beat-em ups. It's just that the new games are trying to incorporate more elements. Really, the biggest thing the old games have going for them is the nostalgic factor.


Sad thing is, He's true

[Ra]

I really hope they try to actually WORK on the game this time, but I wouldn't hold my breath. They just got wind down at Konami about the Tamogochi's down at Wal-Mart :(

Seriously, I personaly think all they do when they're supposed to be working on the game is play in with slinkies. They just even give a c*** about us, the fans

[The Stryker]

A slinky mini-game! GENIUS!

[Ferneu]

Really, the biggest thing the old games have going for them is the nostalgic factor.

Yeah!!! And I really think Konami is underestimating how powerfull that
factor really is.

Perhaps they should take a look on what Nintendo has done with SNES's
Super Mario All Stars and learn a thing or two on how these kind of stuff
should be done.

[NeoBix]

I really hope they try to actually WORK on the game this time, but I wouldn't hold my breath. They just got wind down at Konami about the Tamogochi's down at Wal-Mart :(

Seriously, I personaly think all they do when they're supposed to be working on the game is play in with slinkies. They just even give a c*** about us, the fans

lol as funny as that is Ra it is probably true. It's so sad that they can't just listen to their fans for a change. they would sell a lot more of their games I bet.

maybe someone should go into Konami headquarters and steal all of their slinkies so they can get back to work and maybe even listen to us about how to make their games lol.

[Raphael29]

Yeah, I never post in here do I :D

I've seen some official videos of the game (sorry, can't post them), and I can say for certain that the Turtles in Time game in TMNT:3 coming up is a recompiled version and NOT the original.

They have placed in more enemies, and replaced the Pizza Power song with the sh*t theme from the new series. It is possible that more changes will be made before release (possibly even character designs)


I am a video game purist, and to me, fu*king with what I consider history's greatest brawler is evil. Don't get me wrong, I love the new series with a passion, and I believe it should have video games based off of it, but Turtles in Time is based off the old TMNT, and it should stay that way. If the recompile was to make it perform better, I'd be fine with it. But they're screwing with it for the modern audience and covering up the old day's existence. This is wrong IMO, and frankly, I'm mad over it. If they didn't listen to fans, the original TMNT arcade game wouldn't have been in the last game.

What the F*ck? That's just F*cking wrong, leave the game the way it was, they got George Lucas back their or something? It's part of mine (and many others) childhood and shouldn't be updated for today's audience. Besides why shouldn't todays kids play the game the way we played it? They should be able to experience what we experienced the first time we played it, and not some tampered with piece of Sh*t.

[Silent FOx]

Im glad I still got the SNES version.
Same here, best $4 I ever spent.

[NeoBix]

This really angers me. I can't believe they would do this crap, but then again they ruined the original in Battle Nexus with that crap music. :cry:

[pwnage]

Look fools, you aren't buying that game for the classics are you? Hell no, why would you do that when you can just download an emulator and a rom for and get an accurate complation of the orignal game? Sure, it was pretty bad of Konami to do this, (Well, THEY made Turtles In Time.) but I'm not buying the game for Turtles in Time.

That would simply be a waste of my hard-earned cash. I really don't care about this, I wouldnt whine because instead of dropping $50 on a game with an altered version, I can just get a rom or a SNES for free or cheap, respectivley.

It's not like Konami threw all the existence of Turtles In Time into an oblivion and replaced it with this. Calm down.

[raphaelprime]

why would you do that when you can just download an emulator and a rom for and get an accurate complation of the orignal game? .


ok, A: Its the arcade port you can play on your favorite platform
B: you can't play 4 players on a computer,(you can but its cheaper to buy it for a system for the 4 player action)
C: if you have a GC or slim PS2, its not that hard to pack up n take to a friends house or in car and play instead of having to pack up your computer and take it.

[pwnage]

A: Consoles are overrated
B: I bet there is a 4 player rom
C: You dont have to pack anything. Ever hear of the internet?

[raphaelprime]

A: Consoles are overrated
B: I bet there is a 4 player rom
C: You dont have to pack anything. Ever hear of the internet?


A: not really
B: highly doubtfull
C: but what if you wanna play it in your car and dont have a laptop? or your friend has dial-up or no internet?

[pwnage]

A: YA RLY. Consoles are lame. I can play any console game that I need to simply with a converter and an emulator. Easy.
B: If there isn't one, I'm sure it isnt hard to make one, considering the arcade coding is already written for mulitplayer.
C: Burn the rom to a disc that the PS2 will read. Rom's arent that big, and you can burn the game to a disc. Or you can just buy a SNES, which arent that big in size.

ALSO since you're complaining about Konami screwing with Turtles in Time, last time I checked, the SNES version isnt compatible with 4 players. So if they are making a 4 player mode for console, is that screwing with Turtles in Time still? Still dicking around with history?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Wrongo. The SNES is off the hook because the lack of players and game modifications had to be made due to system modifications. The Gamecube version should be able to emulate the arcade perfectly, but it dosen't because Konami is too damn cheap to pay the licensing fees to get the old theme songs and such back. Why? Budget release.

[raphaelprime]

ALSO since you're complaining about Konami screwing with Turtles in Time, last time I checked, the SNES version isnt compatible with 4 players. So if they are making a 4 player mode for console, is that screwing with Turtles in Time still? Still dicking around with history?


right, it doesnt. But they're not screwing around with the SNES version. This is the Arcade port. Theres a big difference there. As i believe the SNES had an extra level, graphics were a lil different and there was 4 player co-op on the Arcade version. So they're not messing with history either cause the Arcade version came out before the SNES version, so if anything the SNES had to sacrifce the 4 play co-op.

[pwnage]

Wrongo. The SNES is off the hook because the lack of players and game modifications had to be made due to system modifications. The Gamecube version should be able to emulate the arcade perfectly, but it dosen't because Konami is too damn cheap to pay the licensing fees to get the old theme songs and such back. Why? Budget release.

Are you sure its a license issue? Sounds more like Konami is trying to appeal to a newer type of crowd at the same time while bring back the nostalgia of the arcade port.

[Kid Icarus]

*ahem*

Pwnage. Peter Laird has stated many times, on the official site, that the reason they don't, and won't, put up images from the old cartoon is because the people who own those images/sounds/animations charge insane ammounts to use them.

While Konami has the money to liscense them, why waste money on that when developing a game? As some insight to game development, here's the bare minimum you need to make a game now-a-days: Staff of around 50 people (including the 1-2 years of income for each, and computer programers don't come cheap), computers for those people, an office building to house said staff and computers as well as any additional staff (payroll, managment, ect), electricity, liscense fees to the console makers, advertising and marketing, market research, distribution, product placement, and packaging.

Just to make this simple TMNT game, I bet Konami had to have dropped a few hundred thousand, at least. Infact, most studios spend MILLIONS making a single title now.

Thank you, expensive 3D development. :roll:

Anyway, off that tangent. It's expensive, Konami's lazy, and they figure the kids won't know the diffrence. Sad thing is... is I bet it's only us older fanst that actually know what's goin on.

[NeoBix]

I'd rather plundge my own eyeballs out with forks than listen to the crap music on there now. I'll just download the original arcade music and burn it to disc and play it on my stereo when I play the game on my xbox. :P :lol: ;)

[Seurat]

It probably is rather likely that they no longer own the rights to the music, as suggested previously. I'm praying that the game itself still has the "old school" feel to it; I'd hate for them to replace the classic foes. I'm trying to stay positive, though, as I liked the SNES remake as much as the original (Especially cuz they added Rocksteady and Bebop, while getting rid of that ridiculous "Cement Man". Good grief!). I pray that the music is the only major change done to it, knock on wood...

[lilonardo]

I played this "new-toon-ified" version of Turtles in Time, I thought I wouldn't mind the changes that much, but I was pretty disappointed:

as well as swapping "Pizza power" with the new toon's theme, the intro was shortened so you just get the title screen,

they replaced some of the cool-sounding voice clips from the original arcade game with lamer sounding ones ( "Man, I just had a shower" instead of "MAN! I JUST HAD a shower! " for example) , some music I recognise from Mutant Nightmare on the DS and the first Turtles Gamecube game, the Channel 6 news theme is gone, and also:

The game itself runs slower than the arcade original!

In the words of Raphael: DAMN!

Those changes are nowhere near as toleratable as the changes made to the PSone "Madden NFL 98" and "Madden NFL 2001" games when re-released for the PS2; the old music was replaced by music from Madden NFL 2005, and the 1997/1998 and 2000/2001 rosters were replaced by the 2004/2005 rosters.

Well, at least in Gamecube Turtles in Time, they didn't replace April O'neil's voice with Dora the explorer's voice! That would have made me throw my controller at the TV for real!

But still...

*switches Gamecube off, Inserts "Turtles in time" into Super Nintendo, switches Super Nintendo on*

[NeoBix]

I played this "new-toon-ified" version of Turtles in Time, I thought I wouldn't mind the changes that much, but I was pretty disappointed:

as well as swapping "Pizza power" with the new toon's theme, the intro was shortened so you just get the title screen,

they replaced some of the cool-sounding voice clips from the original arcade game with lamer sounding ones ( "Man, I just had a shower" instead of "MAN! I JUST HAD a shower! " for example) , some music I recognise from Mutant Nightmare on the DS and the first Turtles Gamecube game, the Channel 6 news theme is gone, and also:

The game itself runs slower than the arcade original!

In the words of Raphael: DAMN!

Those changes are nowhere near as toleratable as the changes made to the PSone "Madden NFL 98" and "Madden NFL 2001" games when re-released for the PS2; the old music was replaced by music from Madden NFL 2005, and the 1997/1998 and 2000/2001 rosters were replaced by the 2004/2005 rosters.

Well, at least in Gamecube Turtles in Time, they didn't replace April O'neil's voice with Dora the explorer's voice! That would have made me throw my controller at the TV for real!

But still...

*switches Gamecube off, Inserts "Turtles in time" into Super Nintendo, switches Super Nintendo on*

Hahaha... yeah.. I have Hyperstone Heist for Genesis and Turtles In Time for SNES, but I still like my xbox version of Turtles In Time. :P

[Kendamu]

It probably is rather likely that they no longer own the rights to the music, as suggested previously. I'm praying that the game itself still has the "old school" feel to it; I'd hate for them to replace the classic foes. I'm trying to stay positive, though, as I liked the SNES remake as much as the original (Especially cuz they added Rocksteady and Bebop, while getting rid of that ridiculous "Cement Man". Good grief!). I pray that the music is the only major change done to it, knock on wood...
Classic foes didn't get replaced in the other game. Just the music. Speaking of such, it wasn't that the music got replaced that was so bad about the first one. It was bad, but not as bad as the fact that the music was repetitive and used in EVERY stage.

Had Konami taken the time to put some variation into the mix I wouldn't have been so angry about the music change. Now if I want to (legally) own the arcade game I'll need to get the actual real quarter-sucking machine!

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm no longer quite so looking forward to any Xbox Live Arcade of Nintendo Virtual Console ports because I know they will screw the games up, or alter the before putting them up for download. It's a sh*tty deal. Anybody who wants to know where they can download the original soundtracks, just PM me.