New Ep Discussion: Still Nobody

[Anarchistguy]

Since nobody bothered to do start this thread, I figured I would (If you mods don't mind)

I thought this episode was pretty damn cool. I pretty much think Hun's lost a bit of respect for the Shredder now.

[Nturtle]

Heh, see, nobody made a new thread! Get it? Get it?

...

Ah, nevermind. Machi is on a little break, so yeah its cool. *stickies thread*

Anyway, pretty good episode, I thought it could have used at least a little more focus on the turtles, they were almost superfluous. Jeinco made for a hillarious villain, a parody of gang villains everywhere... I half expected him to break into song "West Side Story" style.

[creativerealms82]

This was an average episode with a great ending.

[userpjx]

The episode was strictly OK. I love Nobody but the episode seemed too generic. By far the most interesting part was at the end with Hun and Karai. We finally see Hun's reaction to the fact that Shredder was an Utrom. Well Karai seems more intent to kick turtle butt then before. This is definitely building into some sort of climax. I just hope it comes soon. I'm starting to get impatient. We haven't had any two parters this season so far, what's going on?

Oh yes! The preview for next week looks fun. I heard they were going to do something like this on the usagiyojimbo.com message boards. But didn't Usagi come to New York during the Christmas special? Oh well, this should be a more in depth visit. Hopefully it won't turn out like the old cartoon :D .

[Katie]

I liked this episode.

Someone needs to make a poll and one of the quotes should be "No one man handles my husband!"


The reason I liked this episode was the last five minutes. Hun and Karai finally come together and we get the feelings from hun that we have been waiting for.

God I love it when a season comes together.....

[rayfillet101]

I hate the leader of the jerks, i mean turks. they seem familiar are they in the dreamwave comic or something? but he reminded me of a latin nelly. when he said "say hello to my little friend" it bothered me. nobody seemed too scruff mcgruff for me. i liked the ending.

[Turtle Dove]

This was a pretty cool episide- the gag of "nobody" made me laugh a bit, and what's with the dark costume? Does everyone wantto be "Batman" all of a sudden?
This episode kinda makes you think- when you join a gang you are at risk to get beaten by heartless jerks like that one guy. It teachs a good message. The fact that Mikey kept calling Donnie his husband just made me laugh and say,"You truely are open-minded" and a true "Dork' I wish Mikey called me his husband....no wait I called Donnie my husband....:o whatever..:evilgrin:

Well Leo was calmer! I bet he got time to relax and not be such a "hard shell". Seeing Karai was cool-but it looks like she's gonna plot something but hopefully she snaps out of it before killing our heros. Hun lost respect for Shredder -that's a fact. But I wonder what Hun has planned for our heros. Will Hun be destoryed someday?--we'll have to wait & see.....

Next weeks episode, I nearly busted a gut. I think in the Xmas special, all they saw was the sewers. Having them see New York is gonna be a blast. And yeah Raph was funny to say what the hotdog was made of. That's a question never to answer just make it up.

Raph rocks sometimes...that's the turtle I'd marry:P

[ZariusTwo]

hopefully she snaps out of it before killing our heros

Yeah, because evolving a character no matter what road he/she takes really is a bad concept is'nt it?

[Sakirules]

I'm surprised Hun and Karai are in the same room getting along without the shredder. Most interesting part was hun's reaction of shredder being an utrom. Everyone swore that Hun knew when i knew all along that he didn't know about Saki being an Utrom. I been telling yall for the longest that if Hun did know he'd betray shredder

[Katie]

He was just so creeped out by the knowledge the shredder was a "slug" Too bad we couldn't see his face when Karai was explaining that she cared for him as her father

[Turtle Dove]

He was just so creeped out by the knowledge the shredder was a "slug" Too bad we couldn't see his face when Karai was explaining that she cared for him as her father

I wanna know how-was she an oprhan and he adopted her? Or was she like a "Tube baby" I'd love to know how that became to be her dad

[Katie]

She's adopted.....see the City at War episodes

[Turtle Dove]

She's adopted.....see the City at War episodes

THanks!I knew I missed something

[Ryona]

*creeps in*

For some reason, I feel more comfortable to post in today's episode thread.


So, what did I think of today's episode? I think it was great. Lots of good stuff. I like that it was down to earth and realistic. Street gangs is a real problem, and I'm glad that it wasn't the typical Purple Dragons.

I actually thought it was funny when Donnie slapped Mikey and Raph says "Donnie, don't slap Mikey... That's my job!". And I was thrilled that for once Mikey actually spoke up against the slapping.

Nobody was awesome. He's just like he is in the comics. I was very happy with the way he was portraid. :)

The Donnie and Mikey scene in the apartment was too good. And Mikey still wanting to wear the dress... Gold. :lol:

I was glad that Leo wasn't so abrasive in this episode for two reasons...
One, it was nice to see him mellowed out. And two, hopefuly people in the Technodrome forums won't feel the need to be asses and bash him. :sweatdro:



Yeah, because evolving a character no matter what road he/she takes really is a bad concept is'nt it?

My thoughts exactly.
Too many people are too close-minded to allow character developement for some reason. A shame really.





Oh! And I'd like to add that I think it was cool to see Dane in a TMNT episode! ...even though he was the bad guy...


j/k! :lol: :tanime:

[Aska_Badoura]

I am SO going bananas...
...I'm still really uncomfortable with these drastic mood swings for both Leo and Karai. Yes, Saki was her father, but she knew he was evil, and what's done is done. I thought for sure she would feel free to be her own person after he was gone... but I guess in losing him, she feels like she owes it to him to genuflect to his shadow even now. If he'd gone peacefully as was originally planned, her attitude would be much different. She's still too selfish to see the bigger picture, and how the galaxies are much safer with Saki gone. I think she knows it deep down, but she's still fastened on the unfairness of his demise, to heck with the rest of the universe.

I guess it all boils down to: is family more important, or is honor? Leo and Karai have both chosen family over honor, and it's not like them. Of course, neither had ever been so close to losing their families, and it badly frightened them. And I suppose Karai has the extra incentive in that she actually did lose her family.

But considering how Leo and Karai usually mirror each other like this in the show, I think any change Leo makes will happen to Karai too. And I'm still reasonably sure things will go the way Mirage Vol 4 is, and they'll end up as allies of some sort. It's just that getting there is a rough road.

Yeah, because evolving a character no matter what road he/she takes really is a bad concept is'nt it?Oh, thhhppptpt, Zarius. :goof: It's just sad to see it turn out this way, is all.

I was glad that Leo wasn't so abrasive in this episode for two reasons...
One, it was nice to see him mellowed out.
*noddles* Yes, it definitely was. Other than the "pull-ups marathon" and commenting that Nobody was slipping. But *shrug* he's been very performance-oriented lately. That I can deal with. It's the anger that kind of scares me, since he usually has such a handle on it.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I didn't love this episode but I thought it had some great funny points. I do like nobody and the episode preview was really clever.
I knew Mikey would be the one in drag, and it was hilarious when Donny said he was glad he wasn't refferring to him as his husband anymore. What were they doing that whole time Raph and Leo were fighting. Still protecting the man and his wife?
The end is the only part that really glued me to the television. Karai is going to make a comeback soon I think. Her and Hun are getting along without the Shredder but that is gonna suck when/ if they team up and go after the guys. It's gonna make a great episode though. There is the two parter.
I can't wait for next weeks ep. I really love Usagi. I wonder if he will notice Leo's new attitude?

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Kick ass episode, I love how they toned down the sci-fi, and started using more urban and violent stories. And I just love Nobody.

9 out of 10.

[Doppleganger]

This was an okay episode. It was nice to see the turtles battling more regular problems like street gangs. It seems that they will be fighting more crimes this season. That they are focusing on that. At the end when Jeinco mentioned someone had sold him those weapons I knew it had to have been Hun. I mean he has become a major player in this dance. Still it was disturbing the ending... Hun and Karai in the same room conversing almost civilly. Man if those two pool their resources together...

And of course it was chilling to see them pan up from the library and slowly showing you the Foot Tower. Uh-oh. :o

I can't wait to see what happens when Usagi and Gen come to New York. I get the feeling the reason they are going to do that is so Usagi can try and help Leonardo. Not that I'd think it's help. :( This is something Leo has to work out on his own.

[Raph's Girl]

I loved this ep!!

Interesting points:
We saw Nobody's face!
Nelly?
Karai!

Michelangelo calling Don his husband was just too hilarious! *rotflmao* They made a cute couple. :P

Hey Karai. Uh do you have any other dresses you can wear??? I mean yea that outfit looks good on you but it's soo last season. And I mean that litterally since you wore it last season!!! Seriously girl...go shopping like yesterday. :roll:

Was the name of the gang Turks short for Turkeys???

When I saw the name of the building as Oroku Saki Memorial Library I was like WTF?! Too bad it didn't show the turtles watching this on the news cuz then they'd know that Karai is back.

[Wes]

I'm with the strictly average votes -- I could've done without this episode. Then again, I could've done without almost every episode this season, as almost all of them have felt more or less like rehashes of previous eps to me. And while it sounds like this aspect of the new show is fairly true to the comics, I've never been keen on the presence of superheroes in the TMNT universe. Aliens, fine, and I kinda miss the mutants, but Batman's understudy and bootleg Alpha Flight could've stayed home as far as I'm concerned. Maybe that's just me, though. :P

I did like the end of the episode, though, mostly because the very notion of a Shredder library put me in stitches. :lol: And I think a more interesting episode than anything we've seen recently would be a clip show with Karai and Hun discussing their former master over tea and commenting on their various memories of him. I agree with Aska about Karai's apparent change of heart, though. While some may think it constitutes character development, I actually think it's very much out of character for her, given her struggles with honor and, on several occasions, her willingness to work against the Shredder. Moreover, her last words before being imprisoned (how did she get out?) were, "This is not what I wanted." So why would she commit herself to evil as soon as she got loose? Granted, I'm not saying there aren't answers to these questions -- namely, that Shredder was her "father" and that losing him really brassed her off -- but I don't think they fully explain her actions, seeing as how towards the end she seemed to realize just what a dishonorable and vicious dude he really was. But admittedly I've had a ton of respect for Karai ever since she leapt into the air and hit my character thirty times in the space of two seconds, so I kinda want to see her do the honorable thing. 8)

[StealthNinjaScyther]

Another pretty good episode.

There's been a lot of build up this season, though I am getting a bit impatient for something big to happen, but I have a feeling it's going to pay off. The turtles basically know what Hun's been up to, and so far he's been able to stay ahead of them. Bishops plans are a bit more of a mystery, but he's obviously up to no good. Then theres Karai, and I don't even think the turtles realize that she's in the picture. And if they did I suspect Leo would be foaming at the mouth or something.

I think this is what Leo's outburst was about last episode, they're up against forces more powerful than they can take on by themselves, at least at this point. I can't be sure, but I have a feeling that the turtles may suffer a major defeat sometime this season.

[cowabunga14]

This episode was all right. I wish there coulda been more action instead of one big action scene. I liked the fact that the Turtles fought a street gang instead of your garden variety aleins. I liked the Scarface reference and the disguises for Mikey and Don. That was classic. That was good to see Nobody as a cop. I liked how Nobody spoke to ganag and they put their guns down. I just wish this episode wasn't wrote by Baz Hawkins cuz his aren't the best. Last week's episode was better and next week's episode looks like it'll be better than this one. I give it a four out of five.

[blue_angel99]

A good episode. I love the ending. I wish that more teens would stop throwing their lives away with gangs. All they need is somebody to care, like Nobody did. Mikey sure likes to wear dressess. :o First on D'Hoonob and now this.....it's funny that his bro's always make him to be the girl. :ohwell: I give this episode 4 out 5 stars.

The scene with Karai and Hun has me worried about what they're planning. I think there is hope for Karai to see the light. The only thing thats keeping her with the foot is her loyalty to her "father'. I'm still suspicious about Saki just happening on Karai. I think he did something to her real parents in order to get to her.

Now this is my theory...maybe Karai's father was a Guardian and she was learning to be one too. Seeing this potential, the Shedder gets rid of her parents. Thinking that her parents have abandoned her she is angry, bitter and vunerable. Oroku Saki comes in and "rescues" and raises her as his own so she would one day become leader of the Foot in his stead. Karai finds out the truth and no longer has any reason to hate the turtles. She will then make peace with herself and try to help New York. The End! :)

[Jester]

Interesting episode. Not the best, but not Nano either....:P

I'll do a pros and cons list and you can comment as you see fit:
Pros
*Mikey and Donnie as the old couple....priceless and hilarious.
*Leo mellowing out, good to see him seemingly getting it together.
*Hun and Karai's heart to heart, a real character moment. Now we know Hun wasn't a fan of working for an "alien slug."

Cons:
*Leo and Raph being psudo-sidelined in the fight against the Turks. They basically stood around while Nobody kicked butt and took names.
*Karai's seemingly expunged criminal record. Didn't the Utroms turn her over to earth athorities?

That's my feelings on this episode, story wise...ehh....but the ending was good. Can't wait for next week...Gen and Usagi seeing not just the NYC sewers but also the city that never sleeps herself....and what will Usagi's presence do to Leo's mood? Only a week will tell...:P

[stege-chan]

Not that bad an episode, but I don't really like Nobody. He's like a ripoff of Batman. Different origin, but saaaame tude.

Mikey getting scolded for not turning off his shell cell...THAT was funny. I wonder if Leo's been hanging out with college professors to pick up that trait? XD I'm surprised he didn't take it away >.> I know a few teachers that would. And I was SO sure that the "Nobody." (on the phone) thing would turn into a dialogue like 'who's on first' or something. And sadly it did not. *sniffle*

Donnie and Mikey dressed up as the elderly couple cracked me up too. Suuuure, let the slashy fangirls run amock. XD I don't know why, but Don with glasses cracked me up more than Mikey in a dress.

The ending confused me a little bit. Hun still seems to be acting in memory of his "late, great, master," yet he goes on that rant about the Shredder being an alien blob and yadda yadda yadda. And Karai...I still think she's possessed or something. And doesn't she have any other dresses? T_T It'd be kinda neat though to see Karai and Hun team up now, after despising each other so much. I've always thought they'd make a cute couple! XD

And though this episode had some funny parts, my favorite part was the preview for next week. *girlish squeal* Usagi! With SUNGLASSES!!! *runs off giggling in fangirlish delight*

[XERO]

So far, I've read at least 15 Nobody puns.

Who's idea was that?


...






... nobody's.:P

Very sweet episode. Although, Mikey and Donny as the odd couple was chilling as well as classic. I mean, they have a great chemistry and all, but GEEZ! :lol:

Next week's episode I'm REALLY looking forward to.:D

[TheGreenMagic]

Yeah, because evolving a character no matter what road he/she takes really is a bad concept is'nt it?

Well, to be fair, I hope she snaps out of it before she kills the turtles too. Otherwise... we don't have much of a show left if they're dead, do we? ;)

An all right episode, though nothing spectacular. Though it was nice to see Nobody again... hopefully he doesn't suffer his comic book fate anytime in this series.

The ending certainly has me intrigued... nice to see Shredder's old towe again... though the TMNT must be quite blind not to notice a big building with the Foot Symbol makings its return. Interesting that Karai kept going on about the Shredder's destruction. Yeah, it's easier to keep up appearances and tell the media that Oroku Saki died and wasn't an alien slug who was banished to the farthest reaches of space... but she kept that up with even Hun. Perhaps the writers are being oh-so-subtle and want to drill into our heads that while Shredder wasn't flat-out killed in Exodus, the characters all believed he perished on that frozen rock with no resources. Granted, there's no information available that I know of that states if Utroms even need food, water, etc.

Anyway, the next episode does look rather amusing. Can't wait. And at least that preview as a little more informative than the last two.

[Raph's Girl]

Now this is my theory...maybe Karai's father was a Guardian and she was learning to be one too.

Wouldn't it be funny if Karai ends up being related to Master Yoshi somehow? Like his granddaughter or something. :lol:

[Tinuvielsdreams]

Wouldn't it be funny if Karai ends up being related to Master Yoshi somehow? Like his granddaughter or something. :lol:

Definitely a funny idea...
Haha try explaining that one on a kids show... It would be the gasp heard round the world :lol:
Maybe she snap out of her craziness and take some lessons from him at least

[creativerealms82]

Yeah they are taking too long with this Leo/Karai change but I have a feeling that this will be resolved near the end of the season. One problem about the Turtle's seasons being so long. Takes to long for a plot line to be resolved.

I still like Karai and I still think she can be saved, however soon she will be beyond saving. Her and Leo both. I hope then snap out of this before they do something they will both regret.

As for Hun, well he lost all respect for the Shredder as a person but he is not dumb enough to throw away everything he learned from the Shredder just because of that. He is putting that knowledge to create his own criminal empire, one probably better then his late master, or at least he will try to make his better. Hun while not an idiot is piggybacking on the actions of others and his crime empire will fall quickly because of it.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

but Batman's understudy and bootleg Alpha Flight could've stayed home as far as I'm concerned. Maybe that's just me, though. :P

Yeah, that is just you :P

[iris]

This episode bored me a little in the "big" action/fighting sequence followed by Nobody's lecture. The anti-gang message is totally cool, but in real life kids turn to gangs for reasons not adressed here, and don't exactly have mutant ninja opposition to worry about. Still a good message, though... and heck, if gang leaders prance around barking orders and telling people to say hello to their little friends, I'd rather be a kickass cross-dressing mutant turtle any day!

That was like the best-looking gang leader ever. He was hot! That made me laugh... a lot. Jeinco, honey, your Career Exam didn't say "faschist," it said "fashionista!" Seems Hun is only going to work with beautiful thugs from now on. He's working protection for Calvin Klein.

Poor Donny...
A new library! Woo!
Dedicated to Oroku Saki. Oy!
So torn!! :lol:

If the guys didn't know that Karai was back, still dedicated to Daddy, and therefore probably not liking them very much, then she pretty much announced it by opening the library.

I think that Karai wanting vengeance on the Turtle clan is completely plausible, and, though she may change her mind eventually, I wouldn't characterize it as a "mood swing." (What Leo is going through is also not a "mood swing.") For one thing, we tend to idealize people when we lose them; in her mind, she may see redeeming qualities that we don't see in Saki, all magnified... indeed, deserving of a huge jade statue. Perhaps she feels that she failed to bring out those redeeming qualities.

Clearly, Karai loves her father, and she is bitter over her loss, and has someone specific on whom she can lay the blame for everything that went wrong. Besides, didn't the Turtle clan want Oroku Saki dead long before he became a threat on all existence? Different circumstances, yes, but I'm betting Karai has developed all sorts of justification for what she is doing. And for Karai, using the Foot and joining forces with Hun may be the most expedient means of achieving vengeance.

Switching gears...
It bugged me when Don slapped Mikey upside the head because this time Mikey wasn't intentionally trying to exasperate anyone. Granted, unanswered questions (like, who's calling Mike?) are probably an easy way to get Donny's wires in a knot. Mikey looked none too pleased with the situation. Maybe he should've gotten my fortune cookie last week: "others treat us the way we teach them to treat us."

Leo ... I think "performance-oriented," as Aska put it, is a good descriptor. I also hope a visit from Usagi will lift his spirits. Even if Usagi TOTALLY stole the whole "sunglasses in Times Square" thing from me! :tcool: haha

Raphael and that motorcycle! It's like the Testosterone Express! Normally I'd be rollin' my eyes at a display like that, but dude for some reason when it's Raphael I love it. I'm glad the bike isn't all, um, "turtle-ized"... no offense meant to Donny's aesthetic preferences.

[TheGreenMagic]

I still like Karai and I still think she can be saved, however soon she will be beyond saving. Her and Leo both. I hope then snap out of this before they do something they will both regret.


I have a feeling those two are each other's only hope in getting over their recent problems. Not talking romantically, mind you. I almost see their inevitable fight going down the same wasy as the confrontation between Angel and Faith in the Five by Five episode of... well, Angel... working out their frustration with violence (not something a condone mind you) only with both of them breaking down emotionally at the end instead of just one.

That or Splinter can knock some sense into them both.

[blue_angel99]

Wouldn't it be funny if Karai ends up being related to Master Yoshi somehow? Like his granddaughter or something. :lol:


:o :o :o :o I never thought of that!! What if she Master Yoshi WAS her father!!! Maybe her mother is cacasian which would explain in green/blue eyes!

Only time will tell.

[Buslady]

Raphael and that motorcycle! It's like the Testosterone Express! Normally I'd be rollin' my eyes at a display like that, but dude for some reason when it's Raphael I love it. I'm glad the bike isn't all, um, "turtle-ized"... no offense meant to Donny's aesthetic preferences.

Raph is walking testosterone, he knows he looks awesome on the bike, he knows it and loves it. heh..
I agree on the bike, it's normal..you can see the frame on it...I guess it's the one he was working on waaaaay back when he got thrown to the Planet Racers 'verse. I hoped it wasn't the shell bike cause it'd be so corny all of a sudden it's back.

[J Legault]

As great as the previous Nobody episode. He's by far my favorite superhero charater in the series next to the Justice Force guys.

About time we see a different street gang than the PDs. Course I knew they some how had a connection with the PDs, cause how else can they enherit those Triceraton/Federation like weapons.

Some good moments, here and there, nice to see Raph on his bike which has been repaired.

And a mission success with that Janko guy under arrest.

I was surprised to see that Karai made an "Oroku Saki Memorial" and N.Y. still believe Oroku Saki was a hero to them. Funny she was able to redesigned the first foot HQ even when the police probably already knew the Foot Activity that was there in RtNY But I guess they still don't have a clue that Karai is linked to the Foot.

Makes me wonder if Karai is back in New York does that would mean the Foot are back as well as the Eliete and Mystic Foot.

it's been a long time since they've shown the regular foot.

Anyways I give this episode an 5/5. Next episode is going to be good with Usagi and Gen in New York. I smell a simalarity to the first episode of Usagi in the old series.

[iris]

I was surprised to see that Karai made an "Oroku Saki Memorial" and N.Y. still believe Oroku Saki was a hero to them. Funny she was able to redesigned the first foot HQ even when the police probably already knew the Foot Activity that was there in RtNY But I guess they still don't have a clue that Karai is linked to the Foot.
The Shredder must have hired one shell of a publicist. :goofygri:

I don't think they have much reason to connect her to the Foot. But even if the police suspect something, they can't do anything if they can't find anything illegal going on.

[J Legault]

true, very true. Shredder did do a good job in hiding his "Oroku Saki's" true crimes.

Since this is a kids show, it would be a bit boring in explaining how Karai, Shredder and the Foot keep themselves clean from Criminal records.

[TMNTGal]

The episode that shows something interesting with Karai since her return, turns out to be the first episode I miss. :x

Got up to the Turtles following Nobody up the roof. That's it. Can anyone recap the episode for me? Sounds interesting from the comments I've read so far. Particularly the end.

Also I need a copy of this episode. If anyone wants to help me out please PM me. I also posted this in the Trading section. Thanks.

[LUCKFF]

This Episode Was Okay. I'm Not Really Into Nobody He's A Nobody To Me (pun Intended). I Feel This Character Has Way More Potential. He's Like Literally A Shadow. I Think More Could Be Done With Him. Its Hard To Imagine, With What They Have Showed Us From Him That He Gets Results With His Actions. He Feels Like A Wanna Be Super Hero. I Mean He Shares The City With The Turtles And We Can See The Change The Turtles Have Made (whether Bad Or Good). And If The Writers Or Laird Feel That He Needs To Live Up To His Name And Feel Like He's Nobody, Then That Is A Stupid Character.

The Message In The Episode Was Good And Probably Gets A Thumb Up From Older Parents.

The Gang Leader Was Annoying, I Couldn't Wait For Him To Be Done. The Action Was Okay And The Animation, Once Again Was Regular. I Miss 2 Parters Or 5 Parters, Whats Up????????

The End Of The Episode Was Gold! Oh Man Was I Excited. The Memorial Was Hott. It Felt Good To See Oroku Again, Even If Its Just His Statue. Hun Looked Awesome In His Suit. He's Big Boss Now And I Love It. He's My Favorite Character This Season, He's Getting Major Development. Karia Seems To Be Tightening Her Spring Pretty Tight Waiting To Get At The Turtles. I Think Its Gonna Be Big Between Them.

I'm Glad To See Usagi Next Week. He's Another Of My Favorites. I Hope There's Fighting Because He's Great.

[Fledermaus]

:o :o :o :o I never thought of that!! What if she Master Yoshi WAS her father!!! Maybe her mother is cacasian which would explain in green/blue eyes!

Only time will tell.

Hmm... wouldn't that make Karai the turtles' AUNT?? That would be the end of any romantic possibilities between you-know who.:lol:

Perhaps it would be all for the better. Could work.

Anyways, not the most fun episode I've seen, but it had its moments (Don/Mikey dressed up:D ), and I especially liked the last scene. That shredder statue is creepy. It looks very ghost-like--fitting, since it sorta IS the "specter" of the Shredder. I bet it'll come crashing down if/when Karai ever chooses the right path. Which reminds me...

Is it true that some of you are still confused and in utter disbelief of Karai's "random", "illogical" shift to the dark side? Think about Karai's past and what she values most. It is quite understandable that she should behave this way.

[iris]

I Miss 2 Parters Or 5 Parters, Whats Up????????
I dunno about anyone else, but when I was a kid I HATED two-part episodes. If I saw one part, chances were low that I would see the other. I was a patient kid, too, for the most part. But I didn't watch TV consistently-- I certainly didn't know the TV schedule so I could be sure to catch part II. Maybe the kids are more conscientious today.

Not to say that now I wouldn't LOVE multipart episodes. I hope the writers will indulge again. I just wonder if there are reasons not to do them, in practical terms. I don't know much about that... but my ten-year-old nephew already thinks TMNT is boring. :P

Hmm... wouldn't that make Karai the turtles' AUNT??
Only if Master Yoshi is Splinter's father? :tconfuse: lol

That would be the end of any romantic possibilities between you-know who.:lol:
"Karai, my kitten, psshh heesp ssopss shppeepssts--"
"Voldie, I hate to break it to you, but parseltongue is not a romance language."

j/k
I'm not sure it would be taboo, but the you-know-who who I know you're talking about might, you know, think it was. Not that I think it could happen in this series.

[Fledermaus]

"Karai, my kitten, psshh heesp ssopss shppeepssts--"
"Voldie, I hate to break it to you, but parseltongue is not a romance language."

j/k
I'm not sure it would be taboo, but the you-know-who who I know you're talking about might, you know, think it was. Not that I think it could happen in this series.

I honestly can't tell whether you know who "you-know-who" is--are... that parseltongue bit threw me off entirely. :-? Sorry, not a huge fan of Harry Potter, so maybe I'm missing something.:P Unless the hissing snakespeech is meant to undermine their current relationship... otherwise, you've got me pretty lost.

I hope you're happy.

And sorry for not replying to your statement in last ep's thread. Too much tasty leftovers awaiting devourment.;) EDIT: that, and I think the topic has been worked to exhaustion.

As for two-parters or 5-parters, I really don't mind how they divvy up the story, so long as it's in order and it makes sense and they don't compensate self-contained episodes for rushed pacing and poorer quality in general. I think it's very interesting how the plot is unraveling itself this season. Bit by bit, episode by episode, we see a little more. Our villains are distant, doing things behind our back... I like it a lot. When I'm not doped out on vanilla extract I may have a more eloquent explanation as to why this is such an interesting approach to unraveling the overall plot.

[Aska_Badoura]

I can't wait for next weeks ep. I really love Usagi. I wonder if he will notice Leo's new attitude?Oh, I hope. Maybe Leo will actually let these new walls of his down enough to talk about things reasonably. A samurai would have a different view of honor than a ninja, even a "modern ninja" (for lack of a better term, it's what I call the Turtles, as they do try to follow bushido, and have a much less guerilla role in society than the ninja of Usagi's day). And honor does seem to be what Leo is struggling with at the moment, and also finding his balance again.

Hey Karai. Uh do you have any other dresses you can wear??? I mean yea that outfit looks good on you but it's soo last season. And I mean that litterally since you wore it last season!!! Seriously girl...go shopping like yesterday.Shhhh.... they don't want to bother the character designer.. ;)

So why would she commit herself to evil as soon as she got loose? Granted, I'm not saying there aren't answers to these questions -- namely, that Shredder was her "father" and that losing him really brassed her off -- but I don't think they fully explain her actions, seeing as how towards the end she seemed to realize just what a dishonorable and vicious dude he really was. It seemed that way to me too... but it's apparently a lot more complicated than that. I mean, she always knew he was evil, but it was just around the time that she saved the Turtles' lives that she admitted it to herself. After that, circumstances (guilt, loss) conspired to force her back into her old pattern of serving Saki simply because he's her father, rather than because he is honorable.

Then theres Karai, and I don't even think the turtles realize that she's in the picture. And if they did I suspect Leo would be foaming at the mouth or something. LOL! I'm sorry, that just struck me as hilarious for some reason.. :goofygri:

Now this is my theory...maybe Karai's father was a Guardian and she was learning to be one too. Seeing this potential, the Shedder gets rid of her parents. Thinking that her parents have abandoned her she is angry, bitter and vunerable. Oroku Saki comes in and "rescues" and raises her as his own so she would one day become leader of the Foot in his stead. Karai finds out the truth and no longer has any reason to hate the turtles. She will then make peace with herself and try to help New York. The End!
Hrm.. kind of intriguing. The flashback didn't give me that impression.. but it is an interesting concept! Hmm...

*Karai's seemingly expunged criminal record. Didn't the Utroms turn her over to earth athorities?Again, what would they arrest her for? They swept the whole incident at Saki's mansion under the rug, and that's the only thing I can think of that would be marginally incriminating. As far as the world at large is concerned, Karai is the only daughter of a rich man who died a very sudden death. I mean, they may try to make a murder case out of it, and then she'd possibly be a suspect, but what else could there be? I think only Bishop knew Saki's true nature, and he has no interest in Karai now that Saki is gone. No one else knows anything.

And I was SO sure that the "Nobody." (on the phone) thing would turn into a dialogue like 'who's on first' or something. And sadly it did not. *sniffle*
"Who was it?"
"Nobody."
"Whaddya mean, nobody? I heard a voice on the line."
"Well, yeah, it was somebody."
"You just said it was nobody!"
"Nobody's somebody too, you know."

Yeah, that could have been fun... ah well. :)

The ending confused me a little bit. Hun still seems to be acting in memory of his "late, great, master," yet he goes on that rant about the Shredder being an alien blob and yadda yadda yadda. The memory of his master as he remembered him: a human. He was very loyal to Saki. He wouldn't have been, if he'd known what Saki was, but that's no reason to dismiss the respect and admiration he had for the human man.

An all right episode, though nothing spectacular. Though it was nice to see Nobody again... hopefully he doesn't suffer his comic book fate anytime in this series.I dunno if I ever really believed that, anyway. It was all so fuzzy... :p

For one thing, we tend to idealize people when we lose them; in her mind, she may see redeeming qualities that we don't see in Saki, all magnified... indeed, deserving of a huge jade statue. Perhaps she feels that she failed to bring out those redeeming qualities. Most probably. She probably wants very much to live up to his memory, and taking on his enemies is one way to do that. It's just kind of strange when his enemies were your friends... but they did a great job on Karai's facial expression when she looked up at the statue. She really, really misses her father. :(

It bugged me when Don slapped Mikey upside the head because this time Mikey wasn't intentionally trying to exasperate anyone.
I beg to differ. :) He could have been a teense more specific. Besides, he lives to exasperate people. I should know, I have a very similar personality type, unfortunately. :goofygri:

I have a feeling those two are each other's only hope in getting over their recent problems. Not talking romantically, mind you. I almost see their inevitable fight going down ... working out their frustration with violence (not something a condone mind you) only with both of them breaking down emotionally at the end instead of just one.Yeah... maybe not something quite that dramatic (the breaking down), but that is a possibility. Something along the lines of the duel in "Rogue in the House", maybe.

Wouldn't it be funny if Karai ends up being related to Master Yoshi somehow? Like his granddaughter or something. *blinks* Also interesting. Not quite as likely, since the Guardians all moved to New York with the Utroms, and she was still in Japan, but still interesting.

Hmm... wouldn't that make Karai the turtles' AUNT?? That would be the end of any romantic possibilities between you-know who.*smirks* I was waiting for someone to say that.. nah, the Turtles and Splinter are all adopted anyway, so that doesn't count. :p

"Karai, my kitten, psshh heesp ssopss shppeepssts--"
"Voldie, I hate to break it to you, but parseltongue is not a romance language."*blinks* Okay, that was random... :goofygri: Oh, wait... *little light goes on* Not THAT You-know-who, silly.. :p

I'm not sure it would be taboo, but the you-know-who who I know you're talking about might, you know, think it was. Not that I think it could happen in this series.*mumbles sullenly*

[Raph's Girl]

Only if Master Yoshi is Splinter's father? :tconfuse: lol


Splinter considers Master Yoshi to be his father because in Exodus when Splinter confronted Shredder before he attacked he goes "For my father!!". And it fits since rat owners consider their pet rats to be their kids.

But seriously. It's a cartoon. In anime characters are falling for their aunts or uncles all the time. Like in Tenchi Muyo. Ayeka is Tenchi's great-aunt but she wants to get in his pants. :lol: Course she was at one point supposed to marry her half-brother (Tenchi's grandfather) :P

Karai: "I am your aunt...it wouldn't work.."
Leonardo: "But...Im adopted!" :lol:

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

I LOVE Tenchi Muyô!
But, it IS mentioned that on planet Jurai, inscest isn't a taboo. So, they have that excuse. TMNT doesn't.

[Turtle Dove]

Karai: "I am your aunt...it wouldn't work.."
Leonardo: "But...Im adopted!" :lol:

hahaha:o poor Leo..HE canhave me instead I'll be good to him:D

[iris]

Splinter considers Master Yoshi to be his father because in Exodus when Splinter confronted Shredder before he attacked he goes "For my father!!". And it fits since rat owners consider their pet rats to be their kids.

But seriously. It's a cartoon. In anime characters are falling for their aunts or uncles all the time. Like in Tenchi Muyo. Ayeka is Tenchi's great-aunt but she wants to get in his pants. :lol: Course she was at one point supposed to marry her half-brother (Tenchi's grandfather) :P

Karai: "I am your aunt...it wouldn't work.."
Leonardo: "But...Im adopted!" :lol:

:lol: :rolling:

*ahem*
Yeah, Yoshi is Splinter's Da, and this whole collection of mutual adoptions makes a family ... but even if Karai is related to Yoshi would they adopt her too?

If we equate adopted and biological relationships, and Karai is Yoshi's daughter, then is the Shredder the turtle's grandfather? And if so, where is their share of the inheritance?

Seriously, I think Karai being related to the turtles would kind of spoil the interesting dynamic they've got now. The turtles would go soft on her because that's how they are, and then April would take her shopping for a dress that wasn't rescued from the abandoned set of Matrix.

I honestly can't tell whether you know who "you-know-who" is--are... that parseltongue bit threw me off entirely. Sorry, not a huge fan of Harry Potter, so maybe I'm missing something. Unless the hissing snakespeech is meant to undermine their current relationship... otherwise, you've got me pretty lost.

I hope you're happy.

YES! My jest has bested the fearsome Fledermaus!

Actually, no... my apologies to everyone for the obscure Harry Potter reference. I just saw the new movie. (Talk about violence aimed at children! :o )

And sorry for not replying to your statement in last ep's thread. Too much tasty leftovers awaiting devourment. EDIT: that, and I think the topic has been worked to exhaustion.
And then some. No worries, but thanks for remembering.

[Masked Ninja]

"Karai, my kitten, psshh heesp ssopss shppeepssts--"
"Voldie, I hate to break it to you, but parseltongue is not a romance language.":tlol: That almost made me snort, heh. Ohhh man... *goes off somewhere to chuckle*

But then again, wouldn't that make Splinter Karai's adopted brother? *thinks of making a corny joke hinging on the line "My brother is a rat," but abstains*

Nice ep, for what I saw of it. I missed the first half, or at least came in when Donny and Mikey were dressed as the old couple. Don as an old man made me chuckle, and both of their "elderly" voices were great. Not to mention that Don was whooping some serious butt when he let it loose on those punks. I was glad to see it.

But I agree, the most interesting part of the episode was the Karai/Hun interaction. I was so excited as soon as Karai showed up, because I knew we'd probably be getting more on her. And then Hun... yay, bonus! It looks like they still dislike each other, but at least there's mutual respect. And I was glad to hear Karai's take on how the Turtles took her "father" from her. Evil as he was, Saki was still "Dad." I can't wait to see where else this goes!

[Rikirk]

I need a bit of conformation here folks...

Now...what did that street tough say to Mikey and Doney when they confronted them in the apartment.

I seem to recall he said something to the effect of..." what do you old *a slang term for expelling of gas from ones backside* think your doing?"

I mean..did he actually say that or is my mind playing tricks on me..im sure I heard it correctly.

Oh yeah..the eppisode was pretty cool.


Thank you.

[Fledermaus]

I need a bit of conformation here folks...

Now...what did that street tough say to Mikey and Doney when they confronted them in the apartment.

I seem to recall he said something to the effect of..." what do you old *a slang term for expelling of gas from ones backside* think your doing?"

I mean..did he actually say that or is my mind playing tricks on me..im sure I heard it correctly.

Oh yeah..the eppisode was pretty cool.


Thank you.


You heard correctly, Rikirk. Either that, or we're both insane. Or maybe, you still heard it, but that don't change the fact that you're off your rocker, Rikirkikki-ikki-ikki-pakang-zoop... :goof:

Yeah. The dialect this time wasn't quite as bad as it's been before. I think the writer tried really hard. Hey, at least it's better than Peter David making all the punks talk like Bugs Bunny.

And, your welcome.

Kniggit.

[Raph's Girl]

Hey, at least it's better than Peter David making all the punks talk like Bugs Bunny.

Did somebody say Bugs Bunny?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/TMNT/Nobody/buck.jpg

Seriously tho?? Where's his carrot?? :P

[Rikirk]

Thanks Fledermaus..

I thought the voices in my head were at it again, and i was loosing it...well..no more than normal.

love, Luck and lollipops.

:D

[zkarlette]

I dont care so much for Nobody which after turning into somebody decided to be nobody again.....so much for that

on the other hand the Ep had a good message I guess and It had funny moments like the Mike and Don scene....for some reason Mike always gets the dress

and finally he stood up for himself after so much slapping:P

[Sage Ninja]

good episode I like the street gang urban eppies the best the street ghetto drama actually had a authentic feel to it like it had in the first live action movie. And even though I found the Turk leader guy annoying I thought he was pretty cool. And really hot to da-yum! Actually did any one eles here think he sort of looked like a modern day Carter from the Classic Toon?

It was nice to see Donatello kick some butt no one messe with that turtle. I killed me seeing him in glasses. What a cutie!! ;)

this is the first episode that i've seen with Nobody and he was...okay. I did think he was to much like Batman to award him orginality points but to be honest I liked his dark presence, and he was trully kick ass. He does get points for not being corney or forced, even though I felt he was a batman clone there was something genuian about him.

It seems that Leonardo and Raphael have been really been getting center stage as far as main fight scenes go Donatello and Michaelangelo seem to disapear for the duration of most of the episode twice in a row now, after the first ancital scuffle with the baddies. How ever in even this episode Nobody seemed to steal the spot light from these two at the end.

It bugged me when Don slapped Mikey upside the head because this time Mikey wasn't intentionally trying to exasperate anyone.

you know that bothered me a little too, I don't think that Mikey desereved that, I thought it was really unnessary. I think that they are so used to smacking Michaelangelo around that they don't even think about and just do it. Because roght after that Raphael smacks him. I just thought it was uncalled for. And as to Mikey speaking out against it, pfft! I wasn't to impressed.

[J Legault]

Makes me wonder if Nobody knows that his arch-enemy Rufington is no longer serving in prison.

Cause he if did know he'd tried to track him down and put him behind bars again.

[VaughnMichael]

I liked this episode mostly since it was my first time seeing nobody in animated form since I missed his first episode.......hated the gang but I hate moronic gang culture anyways so it just make me happy to see jenco (ha jenco jeans) get his butt wooped hahaha ...I sooo knew the purple dragons where behind all of this it really hit me though when I saw the Triceraton looking blaster....
it was nice to see the guys semi getting along even if they kinda got put on the back burner for Nobody which was strange it seemed really out of character for Leo in this episode to be so quite....guess maybe he's changing again he's problly going through stages of his anger.

Don and Mike in this episode where classic lol ok I want old man Don and old lady Mike action figures! hahahah it'd be funny if mike keeps wearing the dress like Raph did in the old archie comics with his black costume hehe

let's see ooo crap how could I forget The Oruko Saki Library :o k that's the face I made when I saw that hahah infact when I saw Karai I made the same face we havn't seen her in awhile....but I know she loves her dady and all but I do find it really strange shes still acting this way mostly because of the way he hit her when they were in space...ok if some one ever bitch(excuse the term) slapped me I'd totally be all um yea hey buddy F you....
That episode alone made me believe Shredder never cared for Karai that he was just using her all these years I dont think he really cared about anyone not even himself....and now the fact that her and Hun are talking oh crap the guys better be carefull.....was nice to see the foor hedquarters back in buisness heheheh. oh yea and that wierd ooooooooah! noise that when shredder is mentiond freaks me the hell out lol....not to mention that statue..
btw did anyone else notice the change in animation style for this episode it had a wierd Euro look to it or something I don't know but I liked it it wasn't the usual look of the episodes thought thats for sure!

I liked this episode but am going crazy waiting for this weeks if they interupt this weeks episode with anything I'm going to murder everyone at fox (no not really but I'm gonna foam at the mouth grrrr)
-Putrescent
p.s. sorry to post this so late my grandfather passed away this weekend :tcry:

[Drtooth]

Usually, when I tape TMNT saturday Mornings, I watch them a second time during the week, since sometimes I am really tired and I don't pay attention well. For the last 2 weeks I stupidly didn't. From what I remembered they were both pretty good episodes, and like all episodes this season, they're building up to something BIG.

This season was off to a shaky start, especially airing stuff out of order, but I think they're back on the right tract, story wise.

[Fledermaus]

I liked this episode mostly since it was my first time seeing nobody in animated form since I missed his first episode.......hated the gang but I hate moronic gang culture anyways so it just make me happy to see jenco (ha jenco jeans) get his butt wooped hahaha ...I sooo knew the purple dragons where behind all of this it really hit me though when I saw the Triceraton looking blaster....
it was nice to see the guys semi getting along even if they kinda got put on the back burner for Nobody which was strange it seemed really out of character for Leo in this episode to be so quite....guess maybe he's changing again he's problly going through stages of his anger.

Don and Mike in this episode where classic lol ok I want old man Don and old lady Mike action figures! hahahah it'd be funny if mike keeps wearing the dress like Raph did in the old archie comics with his black costume hehe

let's see ooo crap how could I forget The Oruko Saki Library :o k that's the face I made when I saw that hahah infact when I saw Karai I made the same face we havn't seen her in awhile....but I know she loves her dady and all but I do find it really strange shes still acting this way mostly because of the way he hit her when they were in space...ok if some one ever bitch(excuse the term) slapped me I'd totally be all um yea hey buddy F you....
That episode alone made me believe Shredder never cared for Karai that he was just using her all these years I dont think he really cared about anyone not even himself....and now the fact that her and Hun are talking oh crap the guys better be carefull.....was nice to see the foor hedquarters back in buisness heheheh. oh yea and that wierd ooooooooah! noise that when shredder is mentiond freaks me the hell out lol....not to mention that statue..
btw did anyone else notice the change in animation style for this episode it had a wierd Euro look to it or something I don't know but I liked it it wasn't the usual look of the episodes thought thats for sure!

I liked this episode but am going crazy waiting for this weeks if they interupt this weeks episode with anything I'm going to murder everyone at fox (no not really but I'm gonna foam at the mouth grrrr)
-Putrescent
p.s. sorry to post this so late my grandfather passed away this weekend :tcry:


Sorry about your grandpa, putrescent. I know how that feels...

Anyways, I was just thinking, as I watched the episode a second time through that it wasn't all that bad, aside from the turtles fighting like whimps for the most part (except a few nice things in part three of the episode with Raph and Leo--of course). The animation was different. I thought the gestures were mostly very natural, but the facial acting didn't always match up with the way the lines were being said--esp by Jenco. The way the vowels were coming out--the corners of his mouth should have been more upturned, or taut, like a mean smile. His lips were mostly pouty. His visual demeanor didn't even attempt to emulate the tense, Mr. T/chihuahua way that he spoke.

But the design itself of the characters this time was realistic and detailed. Crisp lines and nice use of contrast. And then that spray-painted ghetto look of the front of the car as it pulled up to the Turks hideout. Very cool. I too really liked the style this ep. (Euro look? Is there such a thing as a distinct "Euro look"? I thought it resembled Korean anime a little more, especially those closup shots of Jenco.) I thought the best animation was during the turtle fight scenes--at least, it seemed most fluid then. Although I didn't check it out frame by frame. No time, nor did I want to damage my VCR.

Let's see. I think one thing that could have greatly improved this episode would have been less dialogue from Jenco--and from the thugs as they came into the apartment. There's a thing about villains--in order to keep them intimidating, you can't allow too much communication on their part. Like the wraiths in LOTR, like the posse in Butch Cassidy, bad guys don't allow us to see much of them, we aren't allowed that comfort. See, if they keep talking, then they either become funny, or...

Show, not tell. Some guy who worked with Sergio Leone on a lot of his movies once said, "If you have to tell the plot in dialogue, then you need a new plot." So instead, tell the story with the camera as much as possible. Sadly, animation is darned expensive and time-consuming, whereas dialogue is quick and cheap. So, as is most always the case in TV animation, the art of visual storytelling must be compensated for time and money. Bummer of reality.

[iris]

I thought Jenco's weak dialogue fit his loser character. Not to say it wasn't annoying... :P

Show, not tell. Some guy who worked with Sergio Leone on a lot of his movies once said, "If you have to tell the plot in dialogue, then you need a new plot." So instead, tell the story with the camera as much as possible.
"Show, not tell" is the most important rule, IMO. Nobody wants to listen to yammering dialogue. Even Shakespeare used visual elements, including imagery within the dialogue.

[R-iZZy]

I might be a little late in responding, but the only gripe I had with this episode was that Jenko character. Whoever wrote his script did a terrible job trying to emulate the speech of a "gangsta", and whoever did the voice acting really shouldn't try to go into a "gangsta's" role. That character could've been a lot more serious with a better script and a better voice actor. That just bugged me the entire episode. Ugh! At least they tried with quoting Scarface. Episode was okay at best... but I always have been interested to see where Hun and Karai go from here. I knew they'd cross paths again... I was hoping it would be a three-way battle on the streets between the Turtles, the Foot, and the Purple Dragons, but it looks like the Foot and the Purple Dragons might form an alliance.

And Nobody's becoming a little more interesting. I wish they'd use him in more episodes.