Nintendo used to be something...not anymore

[cyberfox007]

Hello all!

Back in a time where you and i were younger, i was nothing short of a nintendo fan boy up untill 2001 that was when i switched camps to PlayStation and with out knowing it i seem to make a good choise coz frankly i think the big N aint' what it used to be.

And i have my reasons too, currently i find that nintendo has totaly lost its way in how it does things for example hey are letting other dev companies make thier reconized products (ex.:F-Zero GX was devolped by sega) there was a time were a nintendo game was done by EAD or come other in-house dev group its all "outsouced" to other comanies that nintendo wants to "buddy up" too such as Namco, Konami and so forth. another thing is that nintendo klings too much to the "old days of gameing" the icon of Mario is so over used with all the spots games he is in i see this as a disgrase to such an iconic figure. i see this as a sign of weekness and just gonns be a slow progression

To all the Nintendo fans out ther this is in no way a verbal bashing tword your beloved copmany, i totaly respect nintendo and its contributions to the industry but i just forsee that things if dont rule out for them in the next ten years well lets just say they will do what thier formal rival Sega did in 2002

Thats my 2 cents, now spend it

[Dr. Doom]

Due solely to their domination of the handheld market, Nintendo's not going anywhere soon. Even if the Revolution is a spectacular failure, they still have GBA and DS keeping them alive.

[Star Wolf]

Hello all!

Back in a time where you and i were younger, i was nothing short of a nintendo fan boy up untill 2001 that was when i switched camps to PlayStation and with out knowing it i seem to make a good choise coz frankly i think the big N aint' what it used to be.

And i have my reasons too, currently i find that nintendo has totaly lost its way in how it does things for example hey are letting other dev companies make thier reconized products (ex.:F-Zero GX was devolped by sega) there was a time were a nintendo game was done by EAD or come other in-house dev group its all "outsouced" to other comanies that nintendo wants to "buddy up" too such as Namco, Konami and so forth. another thing is that nintendo klings too much to the "old days of gameing" the icon of Mario is so over used with all the spots games he is in i see this as a disgrase to such an iconic figure. i see this as a sign of weekness and just gonns be a slow progression

To all the Nintendo fans out ther this is in no way a verbal bashing tword your beloved copmany, i totaly respect nintendo and its contributions to the industry but i just forsee that things if dont rule out for them in the next ten years well lets just say they will do what thier formal rival Sega did in 2002

Thats my 2 cents, now spend it

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Spitfire]

The Revolution is going to stomp Sony and Microsoft this next gen. I'm not just some fanboy saying this. I really believe it will. Nintendo is making some bold moves that I believe will push it ahead of the others.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Hello all!

Back in a time where you and i were younger, i was nothing short of a nintendo fan boy up untill 2001 that was when i switched camps to PlayStation and with out knowing it i seem to make a good choise coz frankly i think the big N aint' what it used to be.

And i have my reasons too, currently i find that nintendo has totaly lost its way in how it does things for example hey are letting other dev companies make thier reconized products (ex.:F-Zero GX was devolped by sega) there was a time were a nintendo game was done by EAD or come other in-house dev group its all "outsouced" to other comanies that nintendo wants to "buddy up" too such as Namco, Konami and so forth. another thing is that nintendo klings too much to the "old days of gameing" the icon of Mario is so over used with all the spots games he is in i see this as a disgrase to such an iconic figure. i see this as a sign of weekness and just gonns be a slow progression

To all the Nintendo fans out ther this is in no way a verbal bashing tword your beloved copmany, i totaly respect nintendo and its contributions to the industry but i just forsee that things if dont rule out for them in the next ten years well lets just say they will do what thier formal rival Sega did in 2002

Thats my 2 cents, now spend it

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Okay, well first, have you ever actually played F-Zero GX? It blew the sh*t out of every game before it. Nintend outsourcing is wrong? Sony has no internal groups. Neither does Microsoft. They have wholly owned studios or partnership second parties, but none in house. EAD cranks out just as many games as they did in the old days...maybe more, but you can't rely on one studio for your library. They did that in the N64 age, and it just wasn't enough. You gotta have variety. That's why they partner up with other developers. More games = good.

Without those partnerships, there'd be no Metroid Prime, which is game of the generation thus far in my opinion. Giest didn't work out. Metroid Prime did. Different risks pay off at different times. You gotta take the chance. Mario Sunshine was weak because it was a training project from a new studio in training that EAD finished. Some of the Mario Sports games work out, some don't, but they've been around longer than you think. It's just nobody paid any attention to them in the old days. Mario Golf came out on the NES, and there was a Mario Baseball game on Game Boy. The others showed up on N64, and nobody bitched then.

Nintendo didn't do much this generation because they were going with the flow of things. Nintendo susceeds when they try something new to set themselves apart. That's what they're doing now, and I believe they will susceed as a result. Maybe not in first place, but they will make a sh1tload of money. That was Sega's weakness. They'd still be around today if they had managed their affairs better. They were in debt, made a bunch of expensive and sh1tty systems, and drove up developers while killing their 16-bit money maker early, then selling rights off to Majesco. That's why Sega kicked. They killed themselves. Nintendo was the only game hardware manufacturer this whole year to post a good profit.

They're fine. Better than they've been in some time actually. yeah, they've pissed me off several times in the past. Dig in the Nintendo thread for some recent ones, but they're not going anywhere. They make money...tons of it, enjoy what they do, and have an unshakeable fanbase, but the most affordable system next gen with new advertising departments.

Nintendo's fine, and all this "Nintend0 is teh d00merz!1!" will go away at E3.

[SlayerX]

Hmm lets see:

PS2 beating Gamecube = Possibility
DS beating PSP = Definitely

I'd say it's a 50/50 market between Sony and Nintendo right now. Microsoft... eh... they got a jump on the market with the 360, but remember the saying "Save the best for last". Revolution and PS3 are both gonna rock the Microsoft Xbox 360, and as for winner between Revolution and PS3 for nex-gen consoles: Nintendo for sure at the beginning.

Sony may make a comeback, but that can't be judged now, as we have limited knowledge over the nex-gen market right now.

I myself think that Nintendo will be running the nex-gen market more than PS3/360.

Just my opinions though.

[Buslady]

Nintendo's been on top of the game for a long time, I still believe in their product. I dont care for this tacky 360' people camp out to get, I heard it's overheating and crashing...that's Microshaft for ya.

Never have I had ANY Nintendo system crash, die, burn,etc on me. ALL of my Gameboys still operate like new. Well, except the old clear one that my son destroyed when he was 1...it will not survive milk from baby bottles.

I think the best thing out is the DS...I was not so sure at first but I love it. There's alot of interaction in TMNT3...it's simple stuff but lotta fun for me. I'm not a heavy gamer but I really dig my DS.

Nintendo's been around since the late 1800s, it's not going anywhere

[Kid Icarus]

Hello all!

Back in a time where you and i were younger, i was nothing short of a nintendo fan boy up untill 2001 that was when i switched camps to PlayStation and with out knowing it i seem to make a good choise coz frankly i think the big N aint' what it used to be. Camps? Huh? And who's to say you can't have both? Hm? I thought Playstation was all about being edgy and trend setting, and giving the finger to the 'man'?

And i have my reasons too, currently i find that nintendo has totaly lost its way in how it does things for example hey are letting other dev companies make thier reconized products (ex.:F-Zero GX was devolped by sega) there was a time were a nintendo game was done by EAD or come other in-house dev group its all "outsouced" to other comanies that nintendo wants to "buddy up" too such as Namco, Konami and so forth. another thing is that nintendo klings too much to the "old days of gameing" the icon of Mario is so over used with all the spots games he is in i see this as a disgrase to such an iconic figure. i see this as a sign of weekness and just gonns be a slow progression

Nintendo did this to get third parties to work with them. Hiroshi Yamauchi was a bastard. Brilliant, but he didn't understand how the market model he created was shifting away from first parties holding the key titles to third parties being the power cards. And Fzero GX? Brilliant. Link in SC2? Made the game sell more then it's PS2 and Xbox counterparts combined.

And yes, Mario is way too over used now... not that he wasn't in the past. But Mario is still the foremost videogame icon ever, with Sonic being a close second. If you see an red hat with an M on it, you think Mario... if you see Master Chiefs helmet... it might take you a while to pin point it.

Nintendo still has the best development house around. If you've never read up on Miyamotos development theories, do yourself a favor and do... that man puts more thought into his games (read: games, not stories or graphics) then anyone else in the industry. He's responsible for ushering in the Dpad, the (proper) Analog stick, force feed back... his name's on damn near 90% of anything groundbreaking in gaming (CD's go to SEGA, and actuall games go to Nolan Bushnell, and memory cards go to SEGA as well) And we can't forget Gunpi Yokoi, the guy who made the Dpad, controll pad, Game and Watch, Game Boy, Virtual Boy, and Metroid. It's a damn shame he's not alive today.

To all the Nintendo fans out ther this is in no way a verbal bashing tword your beloved copmany, i totaly respect nintendo and its contributions to the industry but i just forsee that things if dont rule out for them in the next ten years well lets just say they will do what thier formal rival Sega did in 2002

Thats my 2 cents, now spend it
Actually, Nintendo will leave the industry before they stop making home consoles. See, Japanese companies are insane. No matter how much money Nintendo would make as a third party (i feel they'd dwarf EA, easily), they won't. They're too proud, and for damn good reasons. No other company in the industry can tout the sheer number of hits they have *constantly*. No other company has nearly as many icons under their belt.

[Deathknight]

Nintendo is still a great company and won't die out anytime soon. Though I will admit I did like the original Playstation over N64, Gamecube owns PS2.

[Peanut]

Nintendo DS. End of story.

[Deathknight]

Yeah, I use my DS for games and PSP for emulation. Though my DS suffered an unfortunate incident and now has a non working bottom screen.

[Kid Icarus]

Send it to Nintendo. They've already said they'll fix broken touch screens.

You don't have a DS if your touch screen doesn't work, you have a fancy GBA.

[Deathknight]

Yeah, they said the charge is $80 not including shipping. Though what I find extremely humorous is the touch functions still work 100%... there's just no display.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The Touch screen panel and the LCD are actually two different parts rather than one screen, so I guess that would make sense. Odd though, because the LCD is underneath the touch panel.

[Deathknight]

Indeed, when I get around to it, I'm sending to for repairs to this guy on ebay. Gonna cost me about $50. Can't wait to play Mario Kart DS again.

[CookSux]

I also saw a sales report stating that the GC has been selling amazingly compared to the PS2 and XBox for the last several years. Kudos to them for actually profitting from their machine.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Link please?

[Kid Icarus]

TMB, I think he was talking about the money Nintendo makes on each Gamecube sale over the money Sony and MS loose on each of their systems sold.

Nintendo has *never* lost money on a console.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Ah yes, true that.

[Deathknight]

Not even Virtual Boy?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, they lost some money on Virtual Boy when it hit $99, but it's technically a portable. They've never lost a dime on a console sale, DS, or Gameboy iteration.

[Turtledude2k3]

The virtual boy was good but was way too bulky and had only 2 colors. the games were fine and I actually enjoyed playing them. it's too bad it failed.

however nintendo never failed with their gameboy lineup and the nintendo ds..

[R-iZZy]

Will the Revolution actually have online play? I was hoping Nintendo would actually get into that. I mean c'mon, even Sony and Microsoft are doing it. I'm not hoping Nintendo does it because their competitors are, but so that all the Nintendo fans can hook-up and play each other in Melee action and whatnot, just like the Sony and Microsoft people do.

[Barkworm]

They will have online play and it will be free.

[Kid Icarus]

Will the Revolution actually have online play? I was hoping Nintendo would actually get into that. I mean c'mon, even Sony and Microsoft are doing it. I'm not hoping Nintendo does it because their competitors are, but so that all the Nintendo fans can hook-up and play each other in Melee action and whatnot, just like the Sony and Microsoft people do.

Nintendo WiFi Connection. It's caught on faster then Xbox Live has, and it's free (at least for all Nintendo developed and published games. some 3rd party games might charge but, unless it's an MMORPG, I doubt it.)

[Drtooth]

Well, I feel Nintendo suffers from NOT having the same, overrealistic, bang bang, shoot up hookers, let's see how far we can go with a M rating, military propaganda, GTA wanabe, celebrity voiced bull honkey taht PS2 and X-Box had the drop on. It's funny... the video gaming indusrty is doing so well, it's hurting itself.

[Kid Icarus]

Yes, becuase the DS is really hurting from lack of those games. Must be why they can't ship units fast enough to Japanese retail, and why the crazy games are million sellers there.

Must also be why the DS is still beating out the PSP here in sales, and in games.

The market is shifting. It's going to be an interesting E3 this year, for sure.

[Barkworm]

Must also be why the DS is still beating out the PSP here in sales, and in games.
I don't know where you get your information from but I've been following NPD's sales numbers for the past year and according to them the PSP and DS sales are on a par. Some months the DS is selling better, some months the PSP is. In December for example the PSP sold about 50.000 units more (the GBA owned them both btw).

[Kid Icarus]

NPD numbers also don't track some major chains like Walmart and Toys R Us.

You're also not taking into account that the DS had that nice head start which the PSP still hasn't caught up to.

And NPD tracks by how much money something makes, not how many units it pushes. the DS and it's games are cheaper then the PSP and it's games. And what it all really breaks down to is the tie in ratio. The DS has to sell two systems to even come close to one PSP sale, and often the same case applies to the games.

If the system's selling but the games are not, and there's another system out there where the games are selling in the millions and the system's doing so so, you'd be insane not to go to the place where the games sell.

This is why the Japanese tracking is better. It's based on units sold, and includes 99% of all retail numbers.

I also don't know where you've been getting your NPD numbers at because they haven't released official ones for some time now. The last time we got numbers, they were fake one sent out to see who was leaking information.

[Barkworm]

I get them from a German page which has always been reliable.

[Turtledude2k3]

DS is such an amazing piece of technlogy. I had my ds for almost a year now. Next month it's gonna be one year.

Nintendo has announced a few days back of Nintendo ds Lite, which is a smaller-sleeker version of the nintendo ds with diffferent bright settings, smaller and has buttons in a better layout plus the microphone is going to be moved.

The price will be higher than the ds but it's no big deal. I'll get one..

Btw, nintendo ds is winning right now because PSP has no games that are worth at the moment.

[Barkworm]

And NPD tracks by how much money something makes, not how many units it pushes.
Well, the numbers I got are always about sold units.

These are the complete sales numbers for December, November, October and September:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/barkworm/charts.jpg

And here are the total sales numbers for the US:


PS2: 32.383.985
GBA: 31.805.929
XBox: 14.095.752
GC: 10.883.650
NDS: 3.817.883
PSP: 3.633.964
XBox 360: 607.343


The DS has been selling slightly better for the past months, in December the PSP has. In total, the DS has sold 200.000 units more which isn't even that much considering the head start. That's why I said the sales are on a par.
Just trust me, I know what I'm talking about. ;)

[Peanut]

It's also ridiculous considering PSP has about 3 games worth anything. There must be a lot of PSP's plugged into the charger since it came out.

[Kid Icarus]

Again though, you have to consider software sales. That's where the real money's at.

In the US, I don't recall any PSP games doing so well, even GTA:LS (infact, word is that the game did so poorly that they're making a PS2 version just to recoup development costs).

And if you take into consideration world wide sales, DS is totally dominating. More people own DS's the PSP's. Larger installed base with a focus entirely on gaming vs smaller installed base who have to balance gaming with movies and music.

Oh well. This thread wasn't a DS vs PSP thread, which just ends up (for now) being a 'who's is bigger' discussion... that I always seem to fall into. do'h.

Nintendo is still considered the best software development house in the industry. One just has to look at the quality first party titles out on the DS for proof that they're not loosing their flair. Mario Kart DS is EASILY the best in the series, and that's saying something. And only Miyamoto could come up with something like Nintendogs, and only Nintendo would risk putting that sort of game on the market.

[Jed]

In the US, I don't recall any PSP games doing so well, even GTA:LS (infact, word is that the game did so poorly that they're making a PS2 version just to recoup development costs).

WHAT WHAT WHAT?! Aw man it'd be so cool if they did that, I really resent not being able to get that game cause I didn't pay out the nose for a PSP.

[Spitfire]

It's also ridiculous considering PSP has about 3 games worth anything. There must be a lot of PSP's plugged into the charger since it came out.
Everyone I know who has a PSP just uses it to watch movies and the only game they have for it is GTA.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well don't. The official PSM confirmed it a while back, so you'll be getting it sometime around Summer.

[Peanut]

About the PSP and DS selling stuff. How is it that PSP can be so close to DS, but DS is the fastest selling console in the history of Japan?

[ThirdMarioBro]

You mean that they're so close in North America? Yeah, they are. I don't get it either. I think most people here bought it for the movies while in Japan they don't seem to give a crap about Hollywood. I bought it for Ridge Racer and discovered the fun of watching videos on it later.

Sometimes I want to buy Kill Bill, but I hear a future release of the freeware PSP video converter will support 16:9, so I'll just rip it and King Kong when that's released and call it a day. For now, South Park and music videos ripped from MTV & VH1 will do me fine. I never put any movies on it due to the lack of true widescreen support on the encoders. Seriously, what the fu*k is the point of the widescreen when they won't let us use it? Probobly saving that upgrade for a future upgrade to get people to upgrade the firmware so as to not run Emulators and junk.

[Spitfire]

I don't really get why you would want to buy a PSP movie. The movies are insanely expensive. Their either the same price as a normal DVD or they cost more. Espcially if it's an older movie. I don't know if the PSP movies have extras but either way still to much for a mini DVD you can't even watch on your TV.

[Peanut]

I don't really get why you would want to buy a PSP movie. The movies are insanely expensive. Their either the same price as a normal DVD or they cost more. Espcially if it's an older movie. I don't know if the PSP movies have extras but either way still to much for a mini DVD you can't even watch on your TV.

Exactly. I could understand if it was a movie you really love...MAYBE, but I just think the UMD's are completely worthless. Why pay the same or more for a disc without special features and you can only watch on a tiny screen? What's the point?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Especially when running that disc will burn out the battery before the end of most all movies. It's pointless.

Now, if they were half the price of DVD's, seeing as they are half the quality and missing the extras, it would be a deal. But as it is, they are charging for the fact that it can go in your pocket. No way in hell, thank you, goodbye. UMD's are worthless.

[BartAllen]

Well. I cant speak for the next gen or anything like that, because i dont have the knowledge or the drive to care about them, but i will say that my nintendo system still works. while my PS1 is more or less a paper weight. My super nintendo is still played on atleast a weekly basis too.

and im not a brand loyalist. I like all the systems. but i will say that the nintendo people seem to actually put out a product that works. and stays working. just my 2 cents. Not trying to step on any toes.

[CyberCubed]

Remember how in the early 2000's people thought Nintendo was doomed? :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

I like Nintendo and Mario and stuff but when it basically became the 'Mario' console above all else, I jumped ship.

I mean Nintendo made bank with Mario and Link, sure but it also built itself with the Castlevanias, Contras and so forth during the 8-bit era and Street Fighter played a big hand in the SNES beating the Genesis for a while. Seeing the Nintendo 64 abandon most if not all of those properties to just focus on Mario and Yoshi and what-have-you killed my buzz and made me go to the Playstation that would continue on with Street Fighter, King of Fighters, Darkstalkers, etc.

Same with Game Cube and the Wii, the Wii U and now the Switch. Most of the games I care about are PS4 exclusives or will come mega-late for the Switch. Every time someone talks about some cool game there's the one dude in the back saying 'what about the Switch?' I'm like 'what ABOUT the Switch? Sorry you didn't get a PS4?'

I'm not saying Nntendo will go away. It can obviously live off just Mario and Pokemon and what-have-you on their own. I just have no interest into buying another Nintendo console unless they bring in all the other series I care about too.

[CyberCubed]

Nintendo has 15-20 different franchises on Switch (and consoles before it), it's far from just Mario/Pokemon.

[Coola Yagami]

Nintendo has 15-20 different franchises on Switch (and consoles before it), it's far from just Mario/Pokemon.

Still, the majority is still Mario, Zelda, Pokemon and all the crossover games.

[CyberCubed]

Well Nintendo has always missed the majority of big third party games each gen, its been like that since the N64 days so we're all used to it by now.

But in terms of just Nintendo games:

Mario has Odyssey, 3D All-stars, 3D World, Mario Kart 8, Paper Mario: Origami King, Luigi's Mansion 3, Yoshi's Crafted World, Mario Maker 2, New Super Mario U, and the various sports/party games.

Zelda has Breath of the Wild, Link's Awakening, Hyrule Warriors 1 and Age of Calamity, and more remasters and Breath of the Wild 2 on the way

Pokemon has Sword/Shield and Let's go Pikachu/Eevee

Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze is on Switch

Animal Crossing, Splatoon 2, Fire Emblem Three Houses, Xenoblade 2, Smash Bros, Pikmin 3, Kirby Star Allies, Bayonetta 1-2, etc.


Only Nintendo franchises not on Switch yet is Metroid but its coming, and besides the current dead franchises like Starfox, F-zero, Kid Icarus and Punchout until Nintendo decides to revive them again.

[Jester]

Cubed...why do you feel the need to be a necromancer?

[Coola Yagami]

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!!

*Altered Beast theme starts to play*

[CyberCubed]

I've been playing NES and Mario since I was 3 years old in 1988 and I will die with a Nintendo contoller in my hand (or by then, full virtual reality), when I'm 95.

[The Deadman]

I've been playing NES and Mario since I was 3 years old in 1988 and I will die with a Nintendo contoller in my hand (or by then, full virtual reality), when I'm 95.

You should be pretty close to that age by now, right?

[Ninjinister]

lmao I didn't see the date and thought this was a new topic but then I saw people mention the "Revolution" and I was like "waiiiit...."

[Prowler]

lmao I didn't see the date and thought this was a new topic but then I saw people mention the "Revolution" and I was like "waiiiit...."

Yeah, that was the Wii's codename. I had totally forgotten about that.

Anyway, I do t think I've ever thought Nintendo was going to die. But the early 2000s were quite surreal with the PS2 crushing its competition and the GameCube not even being able to outsell the original Xbox. I didn't Nintendo would bounce back with the DS and the Wii a few years later.

The Wii U's poor sales performance reminded me of the GameCube somewhat but the console didn't stay that long in the market and I didn't even buy it anyway. I was focused on the 3DS.

And Coola, most people primarily buy Nintendo systems to play their first party titles. Just like people did for Sega consoles back in the day as well. Ofc having a strong 3rd party line-up is also advisable but it didn't hurt my enjoyment of the GameCube, even though it had way less games than the PS2. Sure, it was a shame I had to get a PS2 to play games like Tekken and Final Fantasy, but anyway, the Switch has a lot of 3rd party content, so I don't know why you're being dismissive of it.

[sdp]

Nintendo has so much money in the bank they could survive various generations of consoles flopping worse than Wii U. They hoard money which actually isn't a great strategy since they could be making more money if they invested in other ventures.

I've been playing NES and Mario since I was 3 years old in 1988 and I will die with a Nintendo contoller in my hand (or by then, full virtual reality), when I'm 95.

We have virtual reality now.

[Prowler]

With both older 2d and 3d games and collections containing such games getting released for every platform available nowadays, I don't think Nintendo will ever shoot themselves in the foot again with a system like N64 with so little 3rd party support.

On the Nintendo Switch you can play the original FF7 plus remastered versions of FF8, 9, 10, X-2 and 12. Not to mention you can play games like LA Noire, The Witcher 3, Skyrim and Bioshock. And ofc you can buy older Castlevania and Mega Man games as well.

Did you expect back in, I dunno, 2007, to be able to play games like most of the ones mentioned above on a Nintendo console AND on the go as well?! Seriously, the fact you can play games like Skyrim and THE WITCHER 3 on a train ride or at a bus stop is quite impressive. I didn't expect to see such games being available to play on the go so soon.

Yes, OK, the Switch battery life could be better but it's not like it's 5 minutes long. If you fully charge it before leaving the house you can play such games on a short trip or whole you wait for the bus or at the doctor's office. It's not like you'll be waiting 8 hours.