Gargoyles

[Doppleganger]

Hope I'm not starting a pointless thread. I've noticed a few people are fans of "Gargoyles" here. And I thought this would be a good place to talk about the show. Anybody have any thoughts?

[DrSpengler]

Incredible program. I really wish Kieth David would do more cartoons, he has an amazingly creepy voice.

I'm looking forward to a season 2 DVD, should Disney ever announce that.

[ZariusTwo]

By leaps and bounds, the final hoorah for Disney's consistently great animated series in the 90's, when this, Darkwing Duck, and Goof Troop ended, NOTHING was the same for the company in terms of shows

Amazing balance of darker, consistent storylines, torturted characters, numerous Arthurian mythologies coming to life before our eyes...the near entire cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation as voice talent, etc

[ThirdMarioBro]

I love serious animation. Why dosen't the rest of America agree. :(

Did those jerks at Disney ever release DVD's of this, or are they still considering this the dark bastard child of their past they want to forget because they think animation is for kiddies and are afraid of Soccer Mom mobs.

[Machias Banshee]

Ohh... I remember this. I used to watch it at my brother's place when i babysat. Only saw 4 or 5 eps, but I liked it. Love stuff like that... :D

[Doppleganger]

I love serious animation. Why dosen't the rest of America agree. :(

Did those jerks at Disney ever release DVD's of this, or are they still considering this the dark bastard child of their past they want to forget because they think animation is for kiddies and are afraid of Soccer Mom mobs.

Oh yeah the DVD's been out for a while. I haven't really seen it in the stores recently but you could probably get it on the online stores at Target, Best Buy, and Walmart (got my copy at Walmart) and...Amazon.com.

[Kali]

I LOVE this show! Gargoyles was actually my first fandom when I joined the internet. My site still holds my old fanfiction and art of the series. It's everything I love in a series: good-hearted "monsters", magic and myth, time travel, cool tech. All done with brilliant writing and breathtaking animation.

I got to see Deadly Force unedited for the first time in years. :D

I’m getting season two when it’s released, and I hope, like every fan and the creators, that this kicks Disney’s butt into doing one of those spin-offs. Go TimeDancer!

[ZariusTwo]

I love serious animation. Why dosen't the rest of America agree. :(

Because they'd rather let the Japanease do it right now. :cry:

[Doppleganger]

:lol: Kali just checked out your site. I'll put your fics on my ever growing to-read list. You are a bigger fan that I am. I didn't even KNOW they had Gargoyles stamps.

Hey I wouldn't mind if good Mr. Weisman got all six series off and running (Bad Guys, New Olympians, Dark Ages, Gargoyles 2058, Time Dancer, and of course Gargoyles). Unfortunately that point is moot. :( One of these days I should gather up the money and courage to go to a Gathering. But until then I'll just discuss the show with anyone who loves the show. :)

[That Matt Guy]

I own the first season on DVD. I've always liked the show, even though I think it went to s*** the longer it lasted. But almost everything does.

[Barkworm]

What I really disliked about the show was that almost every villain turned good in the end. I haven't watched it in a couple of years though.

[Doppleganger]

What I really disliked about the show was that almost every villain turned good in the end. I haven't watched it in a couple of years though.

Hmm well, I'm sure right now Xanatos is behaving because of what the Gargoyles did for him. They saved his son. But if an opportunity presented itself he would backstab them in a minute.

Demona well she has her reasons for doing what she does. She never reformed. And that's the way she should stay.

The villains in Gargoyles were never really black and white. All had their reasons for doing what they were doing. Whether it was the quest for immortality or revenge. None were totally evil or totally good. So there's always the possibility that the "good" ones could go over to the dark side. Or the good guys becoming bad.

[Kali]

Xanatos never did that 180-I’m-good-now thing. He simply changed his priorities at the end. The Gargoyles are no longer his enemies, but that doesn’t mean he’s stopped his games with others. Xanatos does, and always has, lived by his own, personal set of rules. Even when he’s doing “good” the man has to be sneaky and underhanded, or else it’s really no fun. Point: Possession. That’s why I love his character. It’s not about being bad it’s about winning. I mean, honestly, how many times in the series did Xanatos really lose? Two, three maybe?

That’s why I love all the characters. Demona’s perfect, since you get to feel so sorry for her, you almost wish she’d win.

And the good guys aren’t all black and white goody-good perfect, either. Especially at the beginning. There are many times the Gargoyle's sense of honor would clash with humans', specifically Elisa. I love those times when you aren’t quite sure who to root for. Almost all sides believe they’re in the right, on the side of good, which is rather realistic.

[Doppleganger]

Exactly! Thank you Kali. Couldn't have said it better myself. :)

[Aska_Badoura]

Incredible program. I really wish Kieth David would do more cartoons, he has an amazingly creepy voice....creepy? I thought it was kind of comforting, myself.

He did do the voice for two characters on Aladdin: The Series.

Oh yeah the DVD's been out for a while. Not that it was advertised well... I only found out about it last month, here in these forums, as a matter of fact. (I had my mom pick it up while she was out somewhere, I think it was Target, so they still had copies as late as last month) I never saw any advertisments, for that matter. Not even on the website! And it was only the first season. But, as a big Disney fan, I'm surprised they did that. They've never put a whole animated TV series on DVD before. I'm hoping they do more (Aladdin! I'm an Aladdin fanatic! Do Gargoyles Season Two, and the Aladdin series! Pleeeease!)

I’m getting season two when it’s released, and I hope, like every fan and the creators, that this kicks Disney’s butt into doing one of those spin-offs. Go TimeDancer!IF it's released. I know, think positive, but I think it was miraculous that even the first season got released. Disney's VERY fussy about releasing stuff that isn't really popular (in their eyes, that is. The Gargoyles rabid fandom is actually enough to populate a city, probably). I don't think they'd like spin-offs for a program that old. Though that would be cool.

I love serious animation. Why dosen't the rest of America agree. Because America still can't see animation as anything but 'kiddie'. It's slowly changing (notice that animated features nowadays are usually PG rather than G?), but it'll still be awhile. They thought nobody would be able to sit through a feature film when Snow White came out, and look how many more there's been since then! It just might be a few decades yet...

One of these days I should gather up the money and courage to go to a Gathering.Heehee, I went to the one in Houston. Did one of ten posters for it that they printed and everything. :) It was a lot of fun! Nice costumes, got Greg and Thom Adcox-Hernandez to sign a couple drawings, bought an incredibly over-priced comic book, geek-talked with a lot of other fans, met some people I knew from the internet. :)

But if an opportunity presented itself he would backstab them in a minute.Hmm... I don't think so. Not outright, anyway. He does have a sense of honor, even if it's slightly twisted. Doesn't mean he won't manipulate them, but I don't think he'd kick them out or turn them over to Quarrymen or anything... (don't hit me, they really were Greg's idea! ;))

LOL, this has bothered me since the beginning of TMNT2K3:
Foot headquarters (pre-season 3)=Eyrie building. Got antiquated-looking architecture perched atop a sleek office building, tallest thing for several blocks (if not the whole island), helicopter pad, the works.

Surely I'm not the only one to think that? :)

We gotta have a crossover... (I know Amanda(tello) has one (at least in the planning stages, whether it ever gets past that or not remains to be seen...) but I want a TMNT2K3/Gargoyles crossover!)

[Kali]

Yeah, we can always hope. :D

A crossover? *scratches her head* Gargoyles takes place in the mid-nineties. TMNT 2K3 takes place now. Well, dates don't have to matter unless we want to extrapolate ten years. I did have the idea for co-acquaintance character of both Elisa and April. You know, knows them both, casually. Maybe April’s got something in her shop Demona wants to get her hands on. Though Bishop and Sevarius together could be terrifying. Hmmm…

[ZariusTwo]

Gargoyles season two would have to be released in around three volumes, given it's longer.

It's one of the few Disney series (the other being Duck Tales, and later Kim Possible) to defy syndication restrictions and have a story arc that lasted more than just a few episodes, the "global world tour" arc stretched to around thirteen parts, and it is either liked or disliked by the fans, mostly because it excluded almost every main Gargolye character barring Brox, Goliath, Angela, and Demona for several episodes.

[DrSpengler]

...creepy? I thought it was kind of comforting, myself.

He did do the voice for two characters on Aladdin: The Series.


His voice is very dark and eerie. He was the voice of Spawn on the (awesome) HBO series and his voice fit the bill perfectly. It's very gloomy and growly.

And he's done lots of random Disney voices. I know he was the Minitor-guy on Aladdin, Apollo on Hercules, and Mr. Pig on Tim & Pumbaa just to name a few off the top of my head.

[Doppleganger]

Hmm... I don't think so. Not outright, anyway. He does have a sense of honor, even if it's slightly twisted. Doesn't mean he won't manipulate them, but I don't think he'd kick them out or turn them over to Quarrymen or anything... (don't hit me, they really were Greg's idea! )

*Sigh* Here we go arguing over semantics again. :P

A crossover? *scratches her head* Gargoyles takes place in the mid-nineties. TMNT 2K3 takes place now. Well, dates don't have to matter unless we want to extrapolate ten years. I did have the idea for co-acquaintance character of both Elisa and April. You know, knows them both, casually. Maybe April’s got something in her shop Demona wants to get her hands on. Though Bishop and Sevarius together could be terrifying. Hmmm…

Crossovers? Hmm...well okay (http://fanfic.gargoyles-fans.org/author.php?author=Stephen%2BR.%2BSobotka%2BJr&sortorder=DESC) Name of the fics are Shellshocked. There was another on fanfiction.net but I can't remember the author's name.

Oh I'm hoping Sevarius would get his hands on April. She would look awesome as a little cheetah mutate. :D Maybe she could finally get together with Donnie that way.

[Kali]

I myself have drawn Gargoyle/Turtle hybrids, although I don't really have a story to go with them. :tanime:

I now have the urge to draw TMNT clones a la Sevarius' technique, with all the warped coloring. :ttwisted: Slash suddenly popped into my mind for that.

[Doppleganger]

I myself have drawn Gargoyle/Turtle hybrids, although I don't really have a story to go with them. :tanime:

I now have the urge to draw TMNT clones a la Sevarius' technique, with all the warped coloring. :ttwisted: Slash suddenly popped into my mind for that.

Oh yes yes please! Maybe a red clone, a yellow clone, a purple, and an albino. All with those creepy red eyes. Or like the Gargoyle clones (minus Thailog) different colored eyes. Oh but then...April/turtle clone. Venus maybe? :P

[Aska_Badoura]

A crossover? *scratches her head* Gargoyles takes place in the mid-nineties. TMNT 2K3 takes place now. Well, dates don't have to matter unless we want to extrapolate ten years. I did have the idea for co-acquaintance character of both Elisa and April. You know, knows them both, casually. Maybe April’s got something in her shop Demona wants to get her hands on. Though Bishop and Sevarius together could be terrifying. Hmmm…*shrugs* I know, but it's not like the Gargoyles aren't probably still around. Of course a lot of stuff could have happened between then and now. (Oh, gosh, Alexander would be ten! With some siblings probably! :teek: ) Or like you said, it could be overlooked. I dunno.
I don't think Bishop would be able to stand Sevarius. I could see a big personality clash there. :goofygri:

His voice is very dark and eerie. He was the voice of Spawn on the (awesome) HBO series and his voice fit the bill perfectly. It's very gloomy and growly.Ohhh. I didn't know that (or maybe I did and forgot, now that I think of it). Hmm, yeah, I guess it would seem creepy in that context.

Yeah, he did Minos on Aladdin, and King Sebar later. I forgot about Apollo, you're right!

*Sigh* Here we go arguing over semantics again. :pLOL! I thought you'd say that. Nah, I knew what you really meant. Just giving you a hard time. :D

I myself have drawn Gargoyle/Turtle hybrids, although I don't really have a story to go with them. I've seen 'em, I likes. I haven't tried any of my own, but I've drawn Amandatello's "Ellies" a few times.

I now have the urge to draw TMNT clones a la Sevarius' technique, with all the warped coloring. Slash suddenly popped into my mind for that.Maybe a red clone, a yellow clone, a purple, and an albino. All with those creepy red eyes. Or like the Gargoyle clones (minus Thailog) different colored eyes. I keep wondering about the cloning thing in TMNT2K3. I dunno what Bishop's up to (other than the 'super soldier' goal); is he going to be enhancing humans, or making new critters? Then again, they're trying to restrict the number of mutants running around, so probably not. But a crossover, that would allow for the clone thing. :)

Oh but then...April/turtle clone. Venus maybe? :pWoah. That'd throw my project for a loop... :)

[Doppleganger]

I don't think Bishop would be able to stand Sevarius. I could see a big personality clash there.

Yeah but I could see a bigger one with Sevarius and Stockman. They are both egotists but...I think Stockman takes the cake in being full of himself there.

[ZariusTwo]

...Is this a Gargoyles thread, or a fanfiction thread?

Anyone want to seperate the posts discussing fanfiction "crossovers" into an actual fanfiction discussion thread in the fan forum? I'd like to discuss what has actually happened in the show :lol:

[Kali]

Oops! Seemed natural to compare the two. :tanime:

Well, what's everybody's favorite episodes? Characters? My favorite episode's The Mirror. Puck is such a fun character, and I love how he plays with Demona. Few can mess with her like that without losing a limb or two. Elisa looks so pretty as a Gargoyle, and it’s such a riot to see Gargoyles running scared of a small group of humans. :lol: I still wonder what Xanatos and Fox looked like as gargoyles.

[Aska_Badoura]

Yeah but I could see a bigger one with Sevarius and Stockman. They are both egotists but...I think Stockman takes the cake in being full of himself there.Oh dear, they'd kill each other... ;)

Anyone want to seperate the posts discussing fanfiction "crossovers" into an actual fanfiction discussion thread in the fan forum? I'd like to discuss what has actually happened in the show :lol: Awwww, do we have to? Okay... :P

I still wonder what Xanatos and Fox looked like as gargoyles.Oh yeah! And the rest of the human cast in NYC as well... Robbins, Vinny :roll:, Matt Bluestone... etc etc. There was so much that would have been cool to see in that ep, but pointless for moving the plot along. Ah well. :)

[Doppleganger]

Anyone want to seperate the posts discussing fanfiction "crossovers" into an actual fanfiction discussion thread in the fan forum? I'd like to discuss what has actually happened in the show

Oh but Zarius that is the point of having fanfiction. To explore things that wouldn't normally happen in the show and fans want to see (i.e. Elisa and Goliath together, them having a kid even though it's impossible, different pairings) but true, too true. Gargoyles deserves it's own fanfic discussion thread. :evilgrin:

But anyways, there's plenty on the show that we can discuss. Like...what's the real deal on Lex. :evilgrin: Or what Titania told Fox at the end "The Gathering".

[Kali]

What specifically about Lexington? :evilgrin: Question: Is it actually true canon if we are given a "fact" about the universe from the creator(s) that wasn't shown on the show? We all know they aren't gonna bring up the deal with Lex in show...

Personally, I think Titania said something about this all turning out according to what she planned. I think Greg’s having too much fun keeping this from us. :lol:

[Doppleganger]

I think Greg’s having too much fun keeping this from us.

Of course it wouldn't be Greg Weisman if he didn't. :D

[Aska_Badoura]

Question: Is it actually true canon if we are given a "fact" about the universe from the creator(s) that wasn't shown on the show? We all know they aren't gonna bring up the deal with Lex in show...I'm personally a little grumpy about that. I don't really believe it. :| And he didn't give a definite answer, really, like he didn't want to pin it down. So unless he says, without a doubt, so and so is the way it is, I wouldn't call it canon. But if he does (like the names of future family members, and his few other direct answers), I'll take it as canon. Of course, I also don't want to take that certain bit of info as canon. :(

Titania's whisper to Fox never really bothered me. Greg probably doesn't know exactly what she said either, anyway. :lol:

[Doppleganger]

Anyone see the preview for next week think the Donnie episode is a little too similar to Gargoyles "Future Tense"? Granted it's not a dream (hopefully) and by all accounts Shreddar is real. But missing eye Raph. Cyborg Don. Anybody else see eerie coincidences?

[Kali]

Well, I didn’t go to The Gathering he announced it at, but from second-hand info, Greg’s decision on the Lex thing is definite. He’s even answered questions concerning it at Ask Greg. Still doesn’t make it true canon, I suppose.

And I didn’t immediately connect the Future Tense thing. I mean, Future Raph has always lost an eye. Mirage, Image, Archie. And the “villain takes over” AU senerio isn’t exactly new. Cyborg Don’s been done, as well. I personally thinks it’s more of a “great minds think alike” thing. However, if they have Karai and Raph together…

[Doppleganger]

And I didn’t immediately connect the Future Tense thing. I mean, Future Raph has always lost an eye. Mirage, Image, Archie. And the “villain takes over” AU senerio isn’t exactly new. Cyborg Don’s been done, as well. I personally thinks it’s more of a “great minds think alike” thing. However, if they have Karai and Raph together…

Now that you mentioned it...the whole "future is ruled by the villain" thing does a general formulaic feel to it. Friends have died. Someone gets mutilated. And they're fighting a rebellion against an enemy. It sounds generalized but it works. Can't wait actually for the when Disney does season 2. I hope they do. *crosses fingers*

[Aska_Badoura]

Greg’s decision on the Lex thing is definite. He’s even answered questions concerning it at Ask Greg. Still doesn’t make it true canon, I suppose.*erks* Really? I haven't looked over there in a while.. Greg, why are you doing this...? :ohwell:

[ZariusTwo]

I actually think anything that a creator says about his own characters IS canon.

I mean...a certain TMNT Scrappy Doo character exists, but Pete does'nt acknowledge her, so we don't count her as canon.

[Machias Banshee]

C'mon, be nice Zarius....

*pets her frozen tuna*

[ZariusTwo]

C'mon, be nice Zarius....

*pets her frozen tuna*

...Just giving an example

If it makes you feel any better, Aska handles her perfectly :D

[Machias Banshee]

Thank you, and I agree. :D

[Doppleganger]

Zarius go on over to Fanfiction.net and take a gander at the Gargoyles and TMNT (well any fandom really) I guarantee you you'll find some pretty bad Mary Sues that make Venus tame. Not that I'm saying she's a good character. :P

But moving right along anyone see anymore TMNT/Gargoyles similarities? I always thought that Saki looked kind of like Tony Dracon. Now if he started calling April "sugar" I think I'd be laughing my ass off. :lol:

[Jester]

I love gargoyles. I'll buy all 3 seasons (yes even the sad season 3) So Lex would actually betray the clan...doubtful. Besides, it was a dream indused by puck anyway...although he did say that it could be more than a dream, a prophosy!!

[Doppleganger]

Buy all three seasons? Perhaps. It would be painful to buy season 3 but hey if Disney sees good sales perhaps they would consider continuing it, like they did Family Guy.

An element of the dream actually has come true. "The Clone Wars" that Brooklyn mentioned was actually Thailog and Demona creating the clones in "Redemption".

[ZariusTwo]

I'd stay away from "Goliath Chronicles" Greg only wrote one episode of it before leaving the series, and I doubt he even considers it canon.

[Doppleganger]

I'd stay away from "Goliath Chronicles" Greg only wrote one episode of it before leaving the series, and I doubt he even considers it canon.

He doesn't. Anyways I'm not sure :ohwell: I'm still deciding. Something tells me it'll be a while (if ever) they'll put that out.

[ZariusTwo]

...Oh yeah, that reminds me of something

A few U.K DVD releases on thier way, one of which is another Disney cartoon...and quite possibly one of the most enduring

Chip'N'Dale: Rescue Rangers vol 1+2

sabans masked rider vol 1
vr troopers vol 4, 5,6 + mega discs
chip n dale vol 1+2
inspector gadget vol 3,4,5,6
rainbow brite vol 3
robocop animated vol 2,3
super mario bros super show vol 3,4,5,6 + mega discs
digimon vol 2,3,4,5
ninja turtles next mutation vol 2,3,4,5
action man vol 3
heathcliff vol 2,3,4,5
superman last son of krypton
batman animated vol 4
transformers RID box 2 (last 19 eps)
watership down vol 1-3
cubix vol 1-3
star wars clone wars vol 1
droids complete
ewoks complete
supercar complete
dan dare vol 1
caspar tv series
conaan the adventurer vol 2,3
marvel superheroes captain america complete box set
marvel superheroes sub mariner complete box set
marvel superheroes thor complete box set
marvel superheroes iron man complete box set
avengers animated complete box set
care bears complete box set.

[Kali]

I'll definitely buy all of season two, but season three is iffy.

And a lot from Puck’s illusion has come true. The clones, of course. And Alexander. (Of course, that can be argued that he obviously would know Fox was pregnant and probably the name of the baby.) The ultimate destruction of the clock tower. That’s the funny thing about prophecies, they usually come true in a way different than expected.

[Jester]

In the episode it mentions that Fox is helping the Rebels....but isn't Alex middle name Fox....I think they were talking about him...
Sorry if that made no sence....but the TV Tome site says that both Alex and Fox were aiding the rebels...i think they were refrencing one preson...Alexander Fox Xanatos
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeRecapPage/showid-2079/epid-48357/

[Kali]

It's been so long since I've been able to see that episode, so details are sketchy. I do know that his full name is Alexander Fox Xanatos. I think I'm gonna go with Greg's synopsis (the only one I know exactly where it is and don't have to search for). That says that in Future Tense, Fox is Alex's code name. His mother, Fox/Janine, is not shown, or even referred to in that episode that I remember.

[Aska_Badoura]

I actually think anything that a creator says about his own characters IS canon.

I mean...a certain TMNT Scrappy Doo character exists, but Pete does'nt acknowledge her, so we don't count her as canon.Now you stop takin' jabs at me, Zarius. :p

Zarius go on over to Fanfiction.net and take a gander at the Gargoyles and TMNT (well any fandom really) I guarantee you you'll find some pretty bad Mary Sues that make Venus tame. Not that I'm saying she's a good character. LOL, I'm not going there. ;)

To continue the comparison with TMNT2K3... now that I've seen "Same as It Never Was"... it was just as shocking as "Future Tense", and made me cry harder, I think. It was so sad. They're both in that 'babble about it for days' category. I'm emotionally exhausted at the moment. :blanksta:

[ZariusTwo]

Now you stop takin' jabs at me, Zarius. :p

LOL, I'm not going there. ;)

To continue the comparison with TMNT2K3... now that I've seen "Same as It Never Was"... it was just as shocking as "Future Tense", and made me cry harder, I think. It was so sad. They're both in that 'babble about it for days' category. I'm emotionally exhausted at the moment. :blanksta:

I think you should, FF.NET is'nt THAT bad

Billions of fanfics....about thirty good ones.

[Doppleganger]

I think you should, FF.NET is'nt THAT bad

Billions of fanfics....about thirty good ones.

:lol:

To continue the comparison with TMNT2K3... now that I've seen "Same as It Never Was"... it was just as shocking as "Future Tense", and made me cry harder, I think. It was so sad. They're both in that 'babble about it for days' category. I'm emotionally exhausted at the moment.

Just as long as you don't mention anything specifically Aska. I'm trying to be good and avoid spoilers. ;)

[Aska_Badoura]

I think you should, FF.NET is'nt THAT badDidn't mean that literally. Just didn't want to comment on that. Either way, I'd be saying something stupid. ;)

Billions of fanfics....about thirty good ones.I've been there, and yeah, there's some good ones, and a lot that are a waste of electrons... :P

Just as long as you don't mention anything specifically Aska. I'm trying to be good and avoid spoilers. ;)Yeah, I just realized yesterday you hadn't seen it yet. But I was trying to avoid mentioning specifics till it airs tomorrow and more people have had a chance to see it.

[Doppleganger]

Bah! No big deal. :D Couldn't wait any longer and peeked at the spoilers. When I actually watched the thing I thought "hmm...this is good and all" but I still felt a bit disappointed...

...it was too similar to "Future Tense".

[Duke]

I have a question about future tense. Why didn't Claw have his wings and shock power?

[Doppleganger]

I have a question about future tense. Why didn't Claw have his wings and shock power?

I'm sure he still had his electric shock. As for the wings you have to understand that they had gone through a TERRIBLE war. Broadway lost his eyes. You could probably use your imagination on how Claw lost his wings.

[Duke]

I also had a problem with the whole broadway's loss of eyes. Why did he get stuck w/ a crappy sonar collar while Lex got at least one robotic eye?

[Raph's Girl]

Did those jerks at Disney ever release DVD's of this, or are they still considering this the dark bastard child of their past they want to forget because they think animation is for kiddies and are afraid of Soccer Mom mobs.

I have the DVD of the first season of Gargoyles....it came out last November... I am eagerly awaiting for the 2nd season!!

And apperantly if the DVD sales are high enough they'll make one of the spin-offs!!! I hope they make the King Arthur spin-off.... :D

Meanwhile on Stargate(yes there's a connection) the new season ( season 9) will be dealing alot with Arthurian legend.... the first 3 eps of Season 9 is an Avalon saga.... apperantly Merlin was an Ancient (which I guess would mean Oberon was an ancient since he's Merlin's father :P)

BTW... I write Gargoyles/TMNT fan fic (the first 3 chapters of my main story are just Gargoyles...the TMNT are introduced in chapter 4)....My character, Dierna Soul, ends up being Lexington's mate...*G*

I remember when the Gargoyles series originally came out....it was family time... my mom and I would sit in front of the tv and drool over Lexington..... :lol:

[Duke]

And apperantly if the DVD sales are high enough they'll make one of the spin-offs!!! I hope they make the King Arthur spin-off.... :DI was always a huge fan of Pendragon and Griff

[Aska_Badoura]

Why didn't Claw have his wings and shock power?Amputation, so sayeth Greg, LOL. Can't remember if it's on his "Ask Greg", or if he said it in the chat room before that was established, but I remember him saying that. As for the electricity, I think he just didn't have an occasion to use it. I need to watch it again, it's been a looooong time since I saw it.

I also had a problem with the whole broadway's loss of eyes. Why did he get stuck w/ a crappy sonar collar while Lex got at least one robotic eye?He may not have wanted any robotics done to him. It is kinda creepy, especially to a non-techno type.

Ya know, there's spoilers here and stuff, watch your step beyond this point, although if you're interested in this thread at all, you've probably already seen "Future Tense"... :)


Actually, I kind of enjoyed that "Same as It Never Was" was so much like "Future Tense". Although "FT" completely freaked me out when it first aired, the concept was very interesting. At least in "SaINW", the Shredder really was the Shredder. :goofygri:

[Kali]

It could also be that Broadway just took too much damage for cybernetics to be of any help. However, he and Lex do have a conversation about his sonar collar that makes me think that he hasn't had it that long. When Lex is trying to help him navigate their landing, and Broadway says that the collar's working fine. It was probably just way to explain the collar, and how Broadway could manage without his sight, but maybe his injury was fairly recent and that’s the best they could do under the circumstances.

In all honestly, I know that “Shock Value” is the true answer, but this is far more fun.

[BartAllen]

Incredible program. I really wish Kieth David would do more cartoons, he has an amazingly creepy voice.

I'm looking forward to a season 2 DVD, should Disney ever announce that.
I couldnt of typed it better myself

[Jester]

If they do anything, i'd like the see a better 3rd season.

[Doppleganger]

Yeah not so many Quarrymen episodes. Oh and ditch Matthew the little Omish boy, make Demona's plan make sense, and no...

"Egon Pax, Egon Pax, Egon Pax..." :dead:

[Aska_Badoura]

LOL, I swear I was going "EGON PAX" for days... :p How NOT to write a script...
And Val Bettin did his voice, and all I hear is the Sultan from Aladdin... :goofygri:

I dunno, I thought the Amish idea was good... something you wouldn't normally think of. I thought several of those concepts wouldn't have been so bad if they'd been written and animated better. Oh, and someone wrote a fanfic once based on the one where Alexander is kidnapped, making it into another one of Xanatos' manipulative plots; it was good! Some of the plots could have been fixed with a little rewriting. Oohhh well...

[Kali]

Thing was, the first two seasons were written for syndication, and played in the afternoon. The Goliath Chronicles was written for Saturday mornings for a specific network. They had to cater to different censors, and probably a different audience.

[Doppleganger]

Plus Weisman left after "The Journey". A shame really some of them did have potential. Though it was such a horrible waste what they did with the clones. :x

I dunno, I thought the Amish idea was good... something you wouldn't normally think of.

Thing was, the first two seasons were written for syndication, and played in the afternoon. The Goliath Chronicles was written for Saturday mornings for a specific network. They had to cater to different censors, and probably a different audience

Excellent points. Some of the episode felt targetted to a younger audience. The Matthew/Bronx episode was very kiddy, like a small adventure. While Brooklyn befriended to young runaways.

And ahem Broadway goes to Hollywood? Yeah... that one...

I think the highlight of that season was when that shlub Vinnie saved Goliath. :lol:

Oh and also...

Anyone think today's episode "The Real World Part 2" had elements of "Gargoyles" in it? Aska already mentioned Draco's line. :lol: Ultimate Ninja looking like a Fay. Hey makes you kind of think right? The Daimyo visited Earth centuries ago and inspired the Japanese people to create Bushido. It made me think maybe he was a rogue Fay that had a falling out with Oberon. Would be kind of cool.

[Kali]

LOL! I noticed the sorcery line.

I know we’re talking about the show, but has anyone read the comics? I thought they had some good ideas, and had a lot more freedom than the show. I once had a fic challenge for people to do stories based on the comic plot, but very few people did.

[Doppleganger]

I remember catching some of it on a website. Good lord! :o But what kind of steroids did they have Goliath on. He was HUGE. The Demona/Goliath clone (I'm sure a certain someone would get a kick out of the name) Venus seemed interesting enough.

[Kali]

Venus was actually a clone of Goliath and Elisa. But yeah, she had a serious Elektra complex going on...

Had to go back and check Avalon's archive's (http://avalon.gargoyles-fans.org/main.shtml) to be sure.

[Doppleganger]

Oh...I forgot about that. She was like Delilah only seriously more messed up. :sick:

[Duke]

I'm not one to bring back old threads put I just saw season 2 volume 1 of gargoyles on DVD yesterday and I thought i'd share with everyone.

[Doppleganger]

Ooh hope the mods don't mind us bringing back this old thread. But I guess it's more convenient than making a new one. I just got my DVD yesterday from Amazon. Hoping to see some a couple hours. :) Especially...CITY OF STONE!

[Duke]

Ooh hope the mods don't mind us bringing back this old thread. But I guess it's more convenient than making a new one. I just got my DVD yesterday from Amazon. Hoping to see some a couple hours. :) Especially...CITY OF STONE!I love City of Stone!

[Doppleganger]

Heck yeah! Such beautiful storytelling. It provided the rest of the backstory to just WHY Demona hates humanity. And one of the most shocking scenes in that whole series. Whoa I can't tell you how it left me cold when I saw Demona killing those people in the same way they killed hers.

[Kali]

I knew I was missing something from my Christmas list. *adds Gargoyles DVD to list*:D

[Doppleganger]

I knew I was missing something from my Christmas list. *adds Gargoyles DVD to list*:D

By all means, by all means. :D Don't forget to tell your friends and family. The more exposure it gets out the better are the chances we could get a third animated (and I don't count Goliath Chronicles) season. Heck! We already got a new comic coming out in 2006. :D

[Jester]

I have the new DVD it has one of my favorite episodes, THe Mirror....and here's why:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/HumanBrooklyn.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/HumanBrooklyn2.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/HumanHudson.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/HumanHudson2.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/HumanHudson3.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/HumanGoliath.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/HumanGoliath2.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/HumanLexington.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/GargoyleElisa.jpg

[Doppleganger]

I have the new DVD it has one of my favorite episodes, THe Mirror....and here's why:


What no human Broadway? :P Thanks for the shots Jester they are great. :D

[Jester]

It's not that I didn't try...there aren't any clear shots of only Broadway...:(

[DrSpengler]

It's not that I didn't try...there aren't any clear shots of only Broadway...:(

He had a silly haircut in human-form, anyway.;)

I just watched that episode on my set a few minutes ago.

[BartAllen]

wow. i had forgotten that they turned into humans.

[Doppleganger]

It's not that I didn't try...there aren't any clear shots of only Broadway...:(

No worries, you're shots are great with or without Broadway. :D

[Jester]

Any Gargoyles image requests...I have both volumes....:P

[Doppleganger]

Any Gargoyles image requests...I have both volumes....:P

Oh of course! I have tons. If I requested what I wanted to see you'd be stuck here twenty four seven on the computer. :P I have both volumes too. :P Well...I reckon some shots of the Moray Clan? Don't know if you noticed but in part King Duncan destroys a gargoyle. But then seconds later it is still there. Plus in later parts there's this one shot where there's WAY too many gargoyles flying about. Weren't there only like five or six??

Oh and just for some shameless plugging. This fan I know does awesome pans, BEAUTIFUL scenes that she gets from the show. http://members.aol.com/bellegarg3/Pans/

[Jester]

I noticed that too....want the off model pics of Demona?

[Doppleganger]

I noticed that too....want the off model pics of Demona?

Sure that would be great. :D

[Turtledude2k3]

new dvd? I just checked my season 1 and there are no episodes of the city of stone or the mirror?

What's up? Did they release season 2 yet?

I just picked up season 1 today for 16.99 used.. not bad.. I remember watching the pilot and soem fo the episodes.. I lost track after.. This was when it first came on..

[Doppleganger]

new dvd? I just checked my season 1 and there are no episodes of the city of stone or the mirror?

What's up? Did they release season 2 yet?

I just picked up season 1 today for 16.99 used.. not bad.. I remember watching the pilot and soem fo the episodes.. I lost track after.. This was when it first came on..

Yes it is on Season 2: Volume 1. This was released December 9th. I'd put that on your Christmas wish list. :)

[Turtledude2k3]

Yes it is on Season 2: Volume 1. This was released December 9th. I'd put that on your Christmas wish list. :)

Wow so it wasn't long ago.. Lol I must be laughing.. I must get it asap..
Yes I just checked hmv.ca and it does show season 2 volume 1..

3 discs of like 26 episodes.. Not bad at all.. Say, how many episodes of season 2 were there?

[Jester]

52... I think....

[Raph's Girl]

Yes it is on Season 2: Volume 1. This was released December 9th. I'd put that on your Christmas wish list. :)

It IS on my Christmas wish list. Not sure if I'll even get it for Christmas tho...if not then birthday. :P

[Jester]

Here's an example of Demona being "off model" this is supposed to be young Demona...and she's drawn in her middle age model. Note the slight bit of age to her face.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/OffModelDemona.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/OffModelDemona2.jpg

[Turtledude2k3]

nah I will buy it when the christmas holiday season is over..

I work so I make money so i will buy it.

[Aska_Badoura]

Season Two!!! *hops around excitedly*

I hadn't heard about this, but I haven't really been keeping up, either. Ooh, that's on my Christmas list, suddenly.. :thyper:

Heck! We already got a new comic coming out in 2006.Say what?! Explain, explain...

The more exposure it gets out the better are the chances we could get a third animated (and I don't count Goliath Chronicles) season.
That's an interesting idea, another season... but it's been so long, it seems like it would be so disconnected. It was progressing in real time, and now there's been a ten-year gap. Where would they start? (And it's a shame to lose some of the stuff with Jeffrey Robbins from TGC's "The Dying of the Light". As much as I disliked the series, I thought they did a marvelous job with his character in that one. I knew that he knew.. ;))

[Kali]

Say what?! Explain, explain...
Greg Weisman has said that there are plans to do a Gargoyles comic book via Slave Labor Graphics and CreatureComics.com. He plans on picking up after “Hunter’s Moon” and “The Journey”, and says they should see print in 2006.

As for a new cartoon, if Gargoyles still proves profitable, it’s more likely that they’ll do one of the “spin-offs” instead of a true continuation.

[Jester]

That's an interesting idea, another season... but it's been so long, it seems like it would be so disconnected. It was progressing in real time, and now there's been a ten-year gap. Where would they start? (And it's a shame to lose some of the stuff with Jeffrey Robbins from TGC's "The Dying of the Light". As much as I disliked the series, I thought they did a marvelous job with his character in that one. I knew that he knew.. ;))
He was in other episodes (Lighthouse on the Sea of Time and even a cameo in City of Stone[Since Robbins is blind he wasn't affected by Demona's spell, but you knew all this.])....and he was also in a Star Trek movie...."Wrath of Kahn." He was Chekov's new captain.
I gotta agree though "Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles" was the weaker of the 3 seasons, it had some good episodes, and "The Dying of the Light" is one of them

[Aska_Badoura]

Greg Weisman has said that there are plans to do a Gargoyles comic book via Slave Labor Graphics and CreatureComics.com. He plans on picking up after “Hunter’s Moon” and “The Journey”, and says they should see print in 2006.OoooOOOoooh... sounds like I need to check in at Station 8 more than once every three years or so... :p I'm looking there now... ooh, a cover pic! That's so incredibly exciting!! Okay, breathe.. ;)

Disney's certainly broadening their horizons. Guess they needed the change of hands that they experienced..

[Turtledude2k3]

So tell me abot the whole series of Gargoyles.. i am currently enjoying the show.. I finished part 4 of the awakening 5 parter intro.

Does this show stay dark and cool throughout the whole series? How many seasons are there?

BTW, I love the other disney cartoons that was on back then like talespin, goof troop, ducktakes, chip&dale rescue rangers..

I geuss Gargoyles was the last of them that was the best?

One last thing,l do remember watching the pilot when it first aired on tv on kvos 12 or something.

[Duke]

Does this show stay dark and cool throughout the whole series?Heck yes it does.
How many seasons are there?.2 Great seasons and a third that had some good episodes but just didn't have the same appeal and feel.

[ZariusTwo]

In short, most fans only consider one episode of that third "season" canon, the final episode written by Wiesman, although I do consider "Perchance To Dream" part of continuity since it ellaborates the best on notes left by Greg.

[Turtledude2k3]

Well I finished episode 7 - Temptations last night.. So far the show is goind really well.. It's been so long since I seen The Pack.

I don't rmeember how far of the show I watched..

[Doppleganger]

Gah! Your computer breaks down and looks what happens. Thank you for those shots of Demona Jester. I did notice how she apparently seemed off in some episodes than in others. Check "Kingdom" there's a TON of animation errors in that one. (How did Fang suddenly become Talon?!) :P

[Turtledude2k3]

I rented season 2 volume 1 last night. Got the first 2 episodes done.. Both were good.. I saw a couple animation mistakes.. The lasers were red and then in another shot they were blue.

The package is alot better than the one of season 1.. I'm glad they decided to add an Episode Introduction before each episode and I love how when you "Play All" You can select episode introduction on/off.

Are there any episodes on season 2 that is disappointing?

[Doppleganger]

Well for me none of them were bad, I think the first half had a lot of the meat and potatoes, "The Mirror", "City of Stone", "Avalon" it's just when you get to some of the Avalon journies that's when they get like some were "nothing special". The first two Avalon stops are ok. Honestly I think the first half was the better half as sometimes you wanted the Avalon journey to END. But that's volume 2.

[Turtledude2k3]

So this "Golith cronciles" is the next series in the gargoyles series. Gargoyles lasted 3 season.s

[Doppleganger]

Yeah... >< View it (when it comes out) if you want but I don't recommend it. Just if you are a completist like me.

[Lady Venus]

I loved watching the Gargoyles so much. In story I made Goliath Licia's dad. You have a great site Ka.

[ZariusTwo]

So this "Golith cronciles" is the next series in the gargoyles series. Gargoyles lasted 3 season.s

Thankyou Sherlock...

...No sane Gargoyle fan actually COUNTS "Goliath Chronicles", not even Greg.

[Doppleganger]

Thankyou Sherlock...

...No sane Gargoyle fan actually COUNTS "Goliath Chronicles", not even Greg.

Be nice... :P He asked a legitimate question Zarius. Actually "Goliath Chronicles" had it's moments. The episode with Hudson and the final appearance ever of Jeffrey Robbins was good. I liked how they explained how he figured out Hudson was a gargoyle.

"What smell?" :lol:

[Turtledude2k3]

Be nice... :P He asked a legitimate question Zarius. Actually "Goliath Chronicles" had it's moments. The episode with Hudson and the final appearance ever of Jeffrey Robbins was good. I liked how they explained how he figured out Hudson was a gargoyle.

"What smell?" :lol:


Thank you for helping me.. I didnt' realize Goliath Chronicles is actually that bad..

So tell me why is it that bad?

[Jester]

The main creative force was gone...and the episodes were just to disjointed and unrelated.

[Doppleganger]

This guy sums it pretty good...

(Yanked from some guy's livejournal.)

People actually like Goliath Chronicles?????

Okay, at first I thought it was fluke. There had to be one or two people out there who liked that crap. I mean, there are people out there who like Michael Bay's movies, and Gigli.

But since the announcement of the Gargoyles comic, there have been one or two people who came out and said that the third season can and should be acknowledged as canon. I thought these were flukes, but in the last two weeks, at least five new people have come out bitching about Greg Weisman not acknowledging the third season.

My gods, the third season was a piece of ****. Everyone knows the story, Greg wasn't involved, Michael Reaves wasn't involved, Frank Paur, etc, etc, etc. But the TGC crew itself didn't care, they came on, had very little time, weren't familiar with the first 65 episodes, and to be quite honest, and I can't blame them, just wanted to put food on the table.

But Goliath Chronicles was one of the worst things ever to be animated (and I use the term, loosely). Badly written, badly animated, okay, the voice acting was good, but that's because the original voice actors were all kept on. Characters were out of character, and permanent changes were done to the continuity.

But, for years Greg has said that if he ever got another shot, he'd be ignoring TGC. No one was against that idea, in fact, people were eager for it. And not just the hardcore fans, I've seen even more casual fans rightly diss TGC. I've never seen anyone who'd want to ditch it into the dumpster where it belongs.

Let's look at the score card.

- An out of character Demona working with the Quarrymen.
- John Castaway clearly not an alias for the fugitive Jon Canmore.
- Goliath tossing off one-liners like he's one of the Trio.
- Goliath's stupid trial for knocking over a jewelry store (which if kept canon, Greg wouldn't be able to do his story).
- The entire ending of Angels of the Night or whatever that episode is called... they save the train so they're accepted (Just like in Spider-Man 2!!!!!)... Greg never planned for it to be that easy. You keep that ending, and most of the drama is gone.
- The desecration of Fox (Ransom)
- Xanatos being turned into Bruce Wayne without the angst.
- Thailog and the rest of the Clones being killed off.

[Jester]

How does Greg rate "A Dying of the Light" where Hudson gets help from Robbins to get help for his failing vision? It's with out a doubt (and i think we've almost all agreed here) the best episode of a pretty lousey 3rd and final season.

[Doppleganger]

How does Greg rate "A Dying of the Light" where Hudson gets help from Robbins to get help for his failing vision? It's with out a doubt (and i think we've almost all agreed here) the best episode of a pretty lousey 3rd and final season.

Oh that wasn't Weisman. Just some fan's opinion. Which I think is pretty rational for the most part. Just I don't agree with his opinion "A Dying of the Light". Greg Weisman does not acknowledge any of Season Three save for "The Journey".

Oh but if that episode were animated better it could have been great. It was memorable to me as that will be the last VERY last time we will have Paul Winfield portray the blind veteran. :( He was such a wonderful character.

[Turtledude2k3]

ok thank u for giving me your opinion on the 2nd Gargoyles series.

BTW, I hope they dont' release it on dvd.

[Jester]

I'm a completest, and as much as it wasn't the best gargoyles, I'd still buy it. Much like i'd get NT:TNM if they released. I'm as gluten for punishment.

[Doppleganger]

ok thank u for giving me your opinion on the 2nd Gargoyles series.

BTW, I hope they dont' release it on dvd.

As much as I didn't like the third season I need to have the complete series. Plus I am buying it to support the fandom I love. Perhaps it will with the upcoming comic that's coming out. Which is the official third season.

[Jester]

I just hope I can find the new comic. That reminds me, where does the old Marvel comic fall as canon?

[Doppleganger]

I just hope I can find the new comic. That reminds me, where does the old Marvel comic fall as canon?

As far as I know it doesn't. The only canon is seasons 1 and 2 and the 3rd season episode "The Journey". I guess it's for the best, no Venus. :P

[ZariusTwo]

As far as I know it doesn't. The only canon is seasons 1 and 2 and the 3rd season episode "The Journey".

...Followed by the upcoming new comics by Wiesman

[Jester]

So the origianl Marvel runs about as much cannon as "Broadway goes to Hollywood." Good to know, thanks guys.

[Doppleganger]

...Followed by the upcoming new comics by Wiesman

Yes exactly, thank you Zarius. :)

So the origianl Marvel runs about as much cannon as "Broadway goes to Hollywood." Good to know, thanks guys.

No, actually "The Journey" comes before "Broadway Goes to Hollywood". It was the season three premiere. :)

EDIT: Ah misunderstood your question. But yes you got it. :)

[BigApple3AM]

Over my winter break I watched the entire Pirates of Dark Water for no reason in particular and LOVED it. But since there were only 21 episodes made I finished in less than a week. I still had a month of break and nothing to do, I needed another more mature cartoon so I remembered people saying how great Gargoyles was so I gave it a shot. I got the entire Gargoyles series and watched them from episode 1 to the last episode of season 2, which is like 50+ episodes. What an amazing show, I regret that I only watched the first 5 episodes back in the mid 90's and decided it wasn't for me. The writing was amazing. Anyone else remember Gargoyles or even Pirates of Dark Water?

[ZariusTwo]

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=11912

[BigApple3AM]

Over my winter break I watched the entire Pirates of Dark Water for no reason in particular and LOVED it. But since there were only 21 episodes made I finished in less than a week. I still had a month of break and nothing to do, I needed another more mature cartoon so I remembered people saying how great Gargoyles was so I gave it a shot. I got the entire Gargoyles series and watched them from episode 1 to the last episode of season 2, which is like 50+ episodes. What an amazing show, I regret that I only watched the first 5 episodes back in the mid 90's and decided it wasn't for me. The writing was amazing.

Got a question, why did the series end? I doubt it was because it wasn't making enough $$ or didn't have the ratings.

Overall I love the series, though I need something new to watch. Any suggestions? I heard Gargoyles was influenced partially by Gummi Bears, I only saw one or two episodes of that show as a kid (wasn't Garfield one of the voices?). Maybe I'll try and catch up on TMNT 2k3.

[DrSpengler]

I heard Gargoyles was influenced partially by Gummi Bears, I only saw one or two episodes of that show as a kid (wasn't Garfield one of the voices?). Maybe I'll try and catch up on TMNT 2k3.

Yeah, Lorenzo Music was the voice of Tummi, the fat, blue, lazy Gummi Bear.

[malignant]

Pirates of the dark water kicked ass. I loved that show......good memories.


Thats out on DVD huh?..i might have to pick that up !

[BigApple3AM]

Blue bears that sound like Garfield? I'm game, ha!

[BigApple3AM]

Err not exactly... I got it from other sources as the chances of that coming out on DVD any time soon are the chances of pigs flying.


Just a little airborn, it's still good it's still good.

[malignant]

Yeah..i figured it probably wasnt on DVD. Or id of known about it....lol

Oh well..still an awesome cartoon., for sure.

[Raph's Girl]

Got a question, why did the series end? I doubt it was because it wasn't making enough $$ or didn't have the ratings.

Gargoyles ended because of the idiots at Disney wanted more say on the show. The creator of the show even got pissed off and left. What we got in his place was "The Goliath Chronicles" :roll:

I've heard that if the DVD sales are big enough Greg Weisman will make one of the proposed spin-offs (Brooklyn stuck traveling thru time, King Arthur founding a new Camelot in Antarctica, Prequel series set when Goliath and Demona are young, a series about some members of The Pack).

But thankfully now we have the new comic series Greg Weisman is doing (ironically with Disney)! That'll be in comic stores sometime between now and July! Can't wait! Greg's doing season 3 the way it should have been (Goliath Chronicles isn't considered canon by him).

Had Gargoyles continued with Greg Weisman there would have been more Gargoyles. Angela and Broadway were supposed to have 3 children (they're in the spin-off scripts that Greg Wiesman made with fans on the Gargoyles.net site) named Artus, Lancelot, and Guinivier.

I need to get Season 2 vol 1 still...gah...

[BigApple3AM]

I've seen the first 2 episodes from the Goliath Chronicles, but even so I still can't say I'm digging the alternative. Sure the GC weren't perfect but having Broadway and Angela get together and then have kids? That's moving too fast. As it is I still don't think we got enough New York Gargoyle action. It's almost like they didn't want people to get bored so they didn't pull any stops.

I wouldn't have minded more episodes with just the regular cast, and I didn't care for the episodes where avalon took Goliath and crew to all the different places. Each episode introduced new characters and after a while you're just like ENOUGH.

I think my own personal beef with the show is that it always seemed to want to focus on anyone but the regular Gargoyles, as long as Goliath was there. I wouldn't mind if that was the intention from day one, but it seems like the show was marketed similarly to TMNT where we have this regular cast, when half the time in season 2 we didn't even see the trio or hudson.

Still Gargoyles > any cartoon on today.

What's this about Brooklyn in time though? I don't recall him ever doing that, and if it's supposed to be a spin off I'm guessing he did it in some episode or something?

[Raph's Girl]

What's this about Brooklyn in time though? I don't recall him ever doing that, and if it's supposed to be a spin off I'm guessing he did it in some episode or something?

It's a proposed spin-off. Basically Brooklyn gets stuck going thru time ala Sliders thanks to the Phoenix Gate. He travels to the past and the future (where he meets the descendents of the New York clan, as well as other future Gargoyles) and eventually makes it back to his own time only moments after he left in the first place.

He arrives home with a mate (she's from Japan) and several kids(twins) I read some of the story back in 1997.

The series is called Time Dancer and Brooklyn was stuck going thru time for 40 years. There's currently 4 seasons with a 5th in the works.

The other proposed spin-offs are:
Pendragon: It's the adventures of King Arthur and Sir Griff. Eventually Arthur founds a new Camelot in Antarctica of all places.

Dark Ages: Set in 971 Wyvern, Scotland. Goliath and Demona are teens and the trio are uh chibi's *L*

Bad Guys: It's about some of the bad guys.. :P

Untold Tales: Think Tales of the TMNT only with Gargoyles.

2198: Set in the future about the descendents of the New York clan as well as the other characters. They all team up to fight off an alien invasion. Seriously...

The New Olympians: It's uh about the New Olympians from the Avalon saga.

Some of the spin-offs can be found here:
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/

There's also a rather extensive timeline of events and bios of the characters (like Artus, Guinivier, and Lancelot).

http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/resources/timeline.html
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/resources/

Oh and there's also pictures:
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/art/index.html

This is Sata, Brooklyn's mate in "Time Dancer"

http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/art/timedancer/sata.jpg


Oh and also the spin-off's have theme songs:
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/themes.html

[BigApple3AM]

I thought goliath destroyed the phoenix gate by throwing it into like the air while they were on the boat and elisa's like how is it going to guide us home now?

So how does Brooklyn get a hold of it?

I guess I'm not too down with the spin offs, I don't think arthur and griff could hold their own tv show. I don't care for Brooklyn that much either. They seem to want to focus on only a few characters, but I like the show better when they're a group.

I'm not down with the mating thing either. I guess it's realistic, but man I wouldn't want to see the Turtles "mate" either. The show wants to move faster than time for some reason, why not just focus on the main cast for a couple seasons?

[Kali]

Some of the spin-offs can be found here:
http://tgs.gargoyles-fans.org/
Actually, to be accurate, TGS is a FAN PROJECT, based on Greg's basic ideas. If he ever got the opportunity to officially make any of his spin-offs, he wouldn't be using any of those ideas (other than the ones he originally thought up.)

But as far as fan works go, TGS is some of the best out there.

I thought goliath destroyed the phoenix gate by throwing it into like the air while they were on the boat and elisa's like how is it going to guide us home now?

So how does Brooklyn get a hold of it?
Technically, according to Greg, he doesn’t. The Phoenix Gate was never destroyed, merely “lost” in time without a guide, but it’s been hinted that The Gate is partially sentient, and so travels through time on its own. On one trip, Brooklyn gets accidentally picked up in its “bubble” and spends the next forty years being swept along with it, bouncing back and forth through time.

[Doppleganger]

Ack you know it's my own thread and I missed it. ;) Anyways if anyone has questions or would like a nice resourse to the source material ask the man himself. http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/ I always get a kick out of some of his answers.

[Doppleganger]

A word from the boss. :)

Greg Weisman writes:

Tough Love

I've been informed that the Season Two Volume One Gargoyles DVD has not sold as many units as the Season One Gargoyles DVD did. That's not particularly surprising, since it has a higher price point. But let's be honest, the lower sales are putting the release of Season Two Volume Two at risk.

To be clear, I'm not asking anyone to spend money they don't have and/or need for things like food, shelter, education, etc. But if you've just been lazy and have been putting off buying the darn thing... well, pal, help us all out by ponying up sooner than later.

And ALL OF YOU -- PLEASE DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO SPREAD THE WORD!!!!

It is NOT a given that Season Two Volume Two will come out!

[Duke]

I'd be so pissed if a season 2 volume 2 didn't get released.

[Doppleganger]

I'd be so pissed if a season 2 volume 2 didn't get released.

Well then do your part. We can't expect for the volume to be released on just wishful thinking. Tell your friends, tell your family, pimpage my friend, pimpage! :)

[Masked Ninja]

Aw man... :(

I just redisovered this series and have been prowling the Internet for stuff like pictures, videos, etc...

And now I have this wicked desire to buy the first season, but I expect it'll be a hunt... as it's been a while since its release. And since I'm still suspicious of buying stuff online.

But yeah. Just little MN popping in to say "Yeah! Love the series! Watched about 3 reruns on TV a couple years back...and t'was gooood!"

[NightwatchersOnlygirl]

I saw it on the t.v and I have a book at home

[Doppleganger]

Okay folks, if anybody wishes to scramble to get yourself to the Gathering you better hurry and get things in order. http://www.gatheringofthegargoyles.com/g2006/

Me? Maybe next year. :D

Also I've heard from a few that the Gargoyles comic will be released June 28th, so go on over and reserve your copies now. ;)

[Doppleganger]

Ack been awhile since I've visited this thread. Well as many fans know the first issue of the Gargoyles comic has come out this week. I've yet to get my copy (bad fan! bad fan!) but I plan on getting it soon. Anyways if you wish to check out the comic please check your local comic book stores or Amazon.com.

Thanks!

[DrSpengler]

Wrote a brief, spoiler-free review of it here:
http://www.bcomicbooks.com/?p=22

Needless to say, I loved the thing.

[Raph's Girl]

Yes the first issue of the comic came out this week... yes I have it. All it is is a comic version of the first ep of Goliath Chronicles...which is the ONLY ep of that series that's canon.

I wish this series was out every month...but alas it's bi monthly...So issue 2 is out in August.

Greg Weisman has stated that if sales are high enough he'll think of making comics out of the proposed spin-offs *crosses her fingers in hopes of either the King Arthur one or the Brooklyn travels thru time on*. :evilgrin:

Twas good to see the ole gang back all the same tho.

[Jonny.Modlin]

The website for Gargoyles - Tell 1,000 People is at: http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=6182 Greg Weisman said to tell and spread the word to 1,000 or over 1,000 people that Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1 are both out on DVD and buy Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1 on DVD at Amazon.com to increase sales to have Disney release the rest of Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 on DVD! These DVD's for Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1 need to sell very well to get Disney to release the rest of Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 on DVD to complete the entire series of Gargoyles on DVD! When is Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 going to be released on DVD, so that I can complete the entire series of Gargoyles on DVD? How are the DVD's doing for Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1? Thank you and have a nice day!

Jonny

[ZariusTwo]

Petitions never work. Give up. Disney were'nt satisfied with the sales, and at best have ditanced themselves from Gargoyles completly, they see it as a "black sheep" not in keeping with their tone for shows.

[Raph's Girl]

Zarius: Disney has far from distanced themselves from Gargoyles. They distribute the comics and aprove of the issues before they go out (which is why it's bi-monthly.

Speaking of the comics. The first issue of the spin off, Bad Guys (which was originally gonna be a tv spin-off) comes out in October.

The next 2 planned spin-offs: Pendragon (which is about King Arthur and Sir Griff), and Time Dancer (which is about Brooklyn being stuck time traveling and eventually returns moments after he had left. Only to him it had been 40 years) come out in Oct 2008.

[ZariusTwo]

Zarius: Disney has far from distanced themselves from Gargoyles.

They have, distributing the comics under the BV label is easy, acknowleding the show and continuing to distribute the DVDs is a completly seperate matter

[Jonny.Modlin]

That is very exciting that they are going to continue distrubuting the DVD's of Gargoyles by Buena Vista! Let's have Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 released on DVD and we need all Gargoyles fans to email Disney at [email protected] to get Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 released to complete the entire series of Gargoyles on DVD and also including me! Is Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 in DVD production yet?

Jonny

[Doppleganger]

The next 2 planned spin-offs: Pendragon (which is about King Arthur and Sir Griff), and Time Dancer (which is about Brooklyn being stuck time traveling and eventually returns moments after he had left. Only to him it had been 40 years) come out in Oct 2008.

They have plans to bring out Pendragon and Timedancer? :o I didn't know that. Guess I need to stop by Station 8 more often. Will you be going to the Gathering this year Raph's Girl?

Johnny: Thanks for helping to spread the word. :) I get the feeling that a few Turtles fans like Raph's Girl are also well versed in Gargoyles but I'm sure your efforts are appreciated.

Man, it's been a long time since I've been here. Even longer since I've posted. Did anyone miss me? :P

[Raph's Girl]

They have plans to bring out Pendragon and Timedancer? :o I didn't know that. Guess I need to stop by Station 8 more often. Will you be going to the Gathering this year Raph's Girl?


Yea...in the letters section at the end of Gargoyles 4 Greg Weisman announced that Pendragon and Time Dancer are the next ones out.

I wish I could attend a Gathering but alas I cannot. Im waiting for one to be here in Washington State.

But Greg has stated in interviews that he eventually wants ALL the spin offs (Bad Guys, 2198, TimeDancer, Pendragon, Dark Ages, and New Olympians) to be turned into comics. So far confirmed is Bad Guys, TimeDancer, and Pendragon

Bad Guys is a 6 part mini-bi monthly done in Black & White

More info here along with the release schedule:
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=103894.

[Jonny.Modlin]

We need 1,000 or over 1,000 Gargoyles fans to buy Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1 on DVD at Amazon.com to boost sales to have Disney release the rest of Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 on DVD to complete the entire series of Gargoyles on DVD including me! Spread the word to a lot of 1,000 or over 1,000 Gargoyles fans about the comics of Gargoyles, Bad Guys, Time Dancer, Pendragon, etc. that are out to buy at Slavelabor.com and the available DVD's of Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1 at Amazon.com to boost sales to get the rest of Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 released on DVD including me! I am waiting for Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 to be released on DVD, so that I can complete the entire series of Gargoyles on DVD and other comics! So far, any word on how the Gargoyles DVD's Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1 are selling to get the rest of Season 2, Volume 2 released on DVD? I'm looking forward to getting all the comics and last DVD set myself! Thank you an d have a nice day.

Jonny

[Jonny.Modlin]

Hello,
1. I found the website link for No Further "Gargoyles" DVD Releases Currently Planned at: http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=11250

2. Please spread the word to all Gargoyles fans about the DVD releases of Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1 and buy Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1 on DVD to increase sales to get the rest of Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 released on DVD, so that Gargoyles fans will be able to complete the entire series of Gargoyles on DVD including me (Jonny). We want more copies of Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Volume 1 on DVD sold everywhere to get the rest of Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 on DVD so that I can complete the entire series of Gargoyles on DVD!
3. Please spread the word to all Gargoyles fans about the Gargoyles comics 1-12 and spinoff comics to buy them at slavelabor.com
4. Please write a letter about asking them to release Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 on DVD to complete the entire series and send the letter about releasing Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 on DVD to:
Walt Disney Home Video
500 S. Buena Vista St.
Burbank, CA 91521

Jonny Modlin

[Jonny.Modlin]

Hello, I found them in the Gargoyles comics talking about the DVD's along with Season Two, Volume Two of Gargoyles!

Gargoyles, Season One and Gargoyles Season Two, Volume One are both currently available on DVD. The former collects all 13 episodes of the first season of the original animated television series. The latter collects the first 26 episodes of the second season. Both DVD's come with some pretty cool extras, including mini-docs and commentaries. Unfortunately, sales have not been all we hoped, and Buena Vista Home Entertainment (i.e. Disney) has not yet scheduled Season Two, Volume Two. So we need to get Disney's attention all over again by raising sales. If you haven't picked up either or both of the existing DVD sets, well... please do. (There are links to purchase both DVD sets from Amazon at ASK GREG, and note: I don't make a cent off 'em.) But whether you've bought them yet or not, please help us SPREAD THE WORD! I'm asking each and every one of you to tell 1,000 people... about both DVD sets, about the Gathering and, of course about the comic books! We know there are more garg-fans out there. We just need to reach 'em!

Gargoyles Complete First Season:

http://www.amazon.com/Gargoyles-Complete-Season-Special-Anniversary/dp/B0002W4SY0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-0123957-8654456?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1181331529&sr=1-2

Gargoyles Season Two, Volume One:


http://www.amazon.com/Gargoyles-Season-Two-Vol-1/dp/B000ATQYVA/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0123957-8654456?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1181331529&sr=1-1


Jonny Modlin

[Duke]

I love gargoyles but please stop spamming the forums. You just keep posting the same message over and over again. So please stop!

[kerfootw]

Petitions never work. Give up. Disney were'nt satisfied with the sales, and at best have ditanced themselves from Gargoyles completly, they see it as a "black sheep" not in keeping with their tone for shows.

THOSE F@#$ING BA$%*RDS!!! THEY'RE BA$%*RDS!!!!! :x

Anyone who watches Disney's modern crap better stay a minimum of 100 yards from me if they know what's good for them!

*sigh* At least I've recorded the last 39 episodes that haven't been released and am transferring them onto my laptop thanks to TiVo Desktop. Anyone who's a fan (you'd be crazy not to be) should do this if they're missing the show as much as I was.

Great news about the comics. Hope to get them some day, and I'll give the lettering Disney a try.

[Jester]

Hate to necro-post, but after finishing my marathon of MST3K I'm re-watching season 2 and 3...the episodes that aren't on DVD. I love this show. Strong stories and characters.
I do have one question: Is the comic book a worthy successor to the second season of the series?

[Cure]

[SIZE="5"]Anyone who watches Disney's modern crap better stay a minimum of 100 yards from me if they know what's good for them!

It's a good thing this person said this before Phineas and Ferb was on, cuz otherwise they'd get the business, as my pal Ninja Turtles 25 Years would say.

[Jester]

I guess it's my fault...but that post is 4 years old, Kevin.

[Cure]

I guess it's my fault...but that post is 4 years old, Kevin.

I know. Hence it being before Phineas and Ferb was on.

[Jester]

I know. Hence it being before Phineas and Ferb was on.
Ok...I'll give you that. Never really watched P&F, but it looks pretty funny.

[Jester]

Watching The Reckoning, seeing the West Coast Clan (er....Labyrinth Clan) of clones, made me think of of how unoriginal the Dark Turtles from >> really are.
EDIT: Funny tidbit from the Gargoyles Wiki:The naming of the clone gargoyles seems to parallel the naming of the Punk Frog, as a parody or lampooning of the naming of the "originals". (Yoshi's heroes were the painters, Shredder's the warlords. The NY Clan as opposed to the LA clan). Invasion of the Punk Frogs was written by Michael Reaves...who also wrote for Gargoyles...though oddly enough not this one.

[Jester]

Watching Genesis Undone. Seeing Dr. Sevasius (Tim Curry) create Lil' Anton made me think of Rocky Horror Picture Show.

One complaint: Delilah is made up of DNA from Eliza and Demona...neither of which were used to make the serum to help the clones...but Angela was. I guess she's got some Demona DNA being her daughter, but I'm sure that's not enough to make a serum for Delilah...hers would be more difficult anyway given her hybrid nature.

[Redeemer]

I watched the whole series almost 2 years ago and it was awesome! I love the show overal. I loved the storyline, I loved how original it was, I jst dont understand why it ended so early.... Curse u Disney!!

[Raph's Girl]

I do have one question: Is the comic book a worthy successor to the second season of the series?

Yes. Definatly get the SLG stuff!! Bad Guys was a bit odd but it did work out in the end. Clan Building was pretty good especially for fans of the Goliath/Elisa romance. And part of Time Dancer was included in the last couple issues of Clan Building.

Get the TPB's of both Clan Building and Bad Guys for sure!

Im now waiting for a 4th season to be done by either Marvel (especially since Time Dancer starts and ends on the roof of the Daily Bugle *lol*), Boom, or IDW.

[Jester]

Is it sad I just realized that the main villain and hero are named David and Goliath?

[Raph's Girl]

Is it sad I just realized that the main villain and hero are named David and Goliath?

Yes....very sad that it took you 17 years to realize this. :P

[Jester]

To be fair, David does go by Xanatos and not David.

[Redeemer]

Yes....very sad that it took you 17 years to realize this. :P

Then I fall into the catagory of sad...:(

Are they still making comics for the Gargoyles???

[oldmanwinters]

Is it sad I just realized that the main villain and hero are named David and Goliath?

Huh... the irony of that fact never even occurred to me. Interesting role reversal, eh?

[Jester]

Indeed. Very interesting. I love the series. and the dynamic between Goliath and Xanatos is one of the reasons.

And as far as I know, Redeemer the comic only saw about 7-8 issues printed, the whole 12 issue arc is only available in the 2 volume graphic novel.

[Raph's Girl]

Then I fall into the catagory of sad...:(

Are they still making comics for the Gargoyles???

Unfortunatly no. The SLG series finished off in a TPB. There's 2 volumes for the main book (Clan Building and the start of Time Dancer) and 1 vol for Bad Guys.

Last I heard Greg hadn't heard anything about Disney coming to him for a 4th season (the SLG comics is the official 3rd season).

I just want a Time Dancer series cuz I wanna see Brooklyn meet his mate in feudal Japan and the Chinese Gargoyles (where he got his Gargoyle beast, Fu Dog) and the birth of his son, Nashville. Amongst other things.

[Jester]

In re-watching the Goliath Chronicles, I'm not sure I understand the hate. Some of the episodes are weaker than the 1st 2 seasons, but I'm watching Seeing Isn't Believing and it isn't all bad. Heck, the animation is very fluid. Very impressive.

[Raph's Girl]

In re-watching the Goliath Chronicles, I'm not sure I understand the hate. Some of the episodes are weaker than the 1st 2 seasons, but I'm watching Seeing Isn't Believing and it isn't all bad. Heck, the animation is very fluid. Very impressive.

Goliath Chronicles wasn't THAT bad. It's just not canon because it wasn't written by Greg Weisman (except for the first episode).

[oldmanwinters]

In re-watching the Goliath Chronicles, I'm not sure I understand the hate. Some of the episodes are weaker than the 1st 2 seasons, but I'm watching Seeing Isn't Believing and it isn't all bad. Heck, the animation is very fluid. Very impressive.

I thought the whole "Gargoyles rights" thing became way too X-Men cliche for my tastes. But I actually cannot claim to have seen the entire season. Also, was Xanatos and Fox pretty much entirely redeemed by that point? It seemed a little out of character for them. I guess having a kid changes people, eh?

[Jester]

I thought the whole "Gargoyles rights" thing became way too X-Men cliche for my tastes. But I actually cannot claim to have seen the entire season. Also, was Xanatos and Fox pretty much entirely redeemed by that point? It seemed a little out of character for them. I guess having a kid changes people, eh?
That I'll give you. Xanatos as a truly reformed character seemed odd....but there is one episode where we see him evil....because Goliath see the world if he weren't a gargoyle.

[Redeemer]

I thought the whole "Gargoyles rights" thing became way too X-Men cliche for my tastes. But I actually cannot claim to have seen the entire season. Also, was Xanatos and Fox pretty much entirely redeemed by that point? It seemed a little out of character for them. I guess having a kid changes people, eh?

I didn't even think of X-men when I watched Season 3. I did like the "Us against the world mantality" That was pretty awesome :D

[Jester]

I'm kinda slow on the uptake it seems. I'm reading the Gargoyles comics and am on issue 4, where the Gargoyles, Elisa and others are at a masquerade party thrown by the Xanatos family. Before the party, Goliath and Elisa "break up" and agree to "see other people" so they invite Delilah, the clone of Demona and Elisa, and Officer Morgan (Morgan...kinda like Mario Mario, I guess) to the party. It just now dawned on me that both couples, if portrayed in the series, would be voiced by the same duo, since Kieth David is both Goliath and Morgan and Salli Richardson of course played Elisa and her 10/90 clone. (supposedly she was 90% Demona and 10% Elisa.
EDIT: The more I read this, the more I want it animated....heck a motion comic like the Watchmen release would be awesome...if they could get the surviving voice cast (I think the only one who's gone is Paul Winfield.)

[Jester]

If anyone ever wondered what Bebop would look like as a female gargoyle...issue 8 is for you.

[Raph's Girl]

If anyone ever wondered what Bebop would look like as a female gargoyle...issue 8 is for you.

:lol: Never thought of Coco as a resembling Bebop but i guess she does in a way.

I liked Staghart/Amp (deer with angel wings). Apperantly he's a possible love interest for Lexington.

[Redeemer]

If anyone ever wondered what Bebop would look like as a female gargoyle...issue 8 is for you.

Your mind is very interesting.....:lol:

[sdp]

I actually just finished watching Gargoyles today, overall a great series, though overrated. As a kid I loved Gargoyles, I think it was only aired up until halfway or a little more of season 2. I did catch later parts of Season 2 in 1999/2000 and I still enjoyed it. For the longest time I actually thought the Goliath Chronicles people hated were the episodes were its just Goliath/Eliza/Angela. Anyways when Season 1 came out on DVD I bought it but was very disappointed by it, and that was pretty much it for the franchise until I decided to go ahead and watch it all recently. And yeah its a great series, I like the episodes that deal with the mythology and whatnot instead of the modern day episodes which is probably why I didn't like Season 1 as much.

But unto the Goliath Chronicles, where does all the hate come from? The quality of episodes is not as good, however its not a huge mess like people make it out to be its not like the first two seasons were all hits. Sure I'd rank it below the first two seasons but its actually structured a lot like Season 1 post "Awakening". Its also stupid to write it off continuity, I mean the biggest changes of the status quo were all done in the Season 2 finale anyway not this season, I don't feel it ruins anything, in fact we get an awesome series finale, something we did not have before. The quarrymen were cool and more than make up for the "Hollywood" episode, It also gives closure to Thailog and the clones which is left open ended enough if they really wanted to bring them back anyway. Xanatos could also have easily turned "evil' again and this was his plan all along. Anyways counting its Disney that owns the show and not Greg Weisman (who I think is an awesome writer/rpdoucer) I definitely count Season 3 as canon.

[Vicky82]

This sucks, they are planning to make a Gargoyles movie but without the main characters and storylines.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118040134

We need to get them to make the proper Gargoyles film, the best way is to write to them so they can change it.

ATTN: Lauren Shuler Donner
The Donners' Company
9465 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 420
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
USA

ATTN: LouAnne Brickhouse
The Walt Disney Studios Company
500 S. Buena Vista St.
Burbank, CA 91521-9722
USA

We have a facebook page you can join, Make a REAL "Gargoyles" movie, Disney!

[Slap-Happy]

That movie isn't related to the show in any way.

It's a movie ABOUT gargoyles, not based on the Disney cartoon.

[jmodlin210]

http://www.change.org/petitions/walt-disney-home-entertainment-release-gargoyles-season-two-volume-two-and-season-three-3-on-dvd to sign the petition to pass it to everyone to sign it to have strong numbers. do you remember about disney releasing gargoyles season 2, volume 2 and season 3 onto dvd in 2012?

[Jester]

Hooray for bumping a year old thread for a pointless e-petition...

Though, my bumping the bump could be seen as equally awful.

[jmodlin210]

http://www.change.org/petitions/walt...three-3-on-dvd to sign the petition to pass it to everyone to sign it

[Jester]

Seriously dude? You posted the very thing an hour ago...WE GET IT!

[jmodlin210]

Is Disney releasing Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 and Season 3 onto DVD in 2012? You should email Disney which is [email protected] to ask them to release Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 and Season 3 onto DVD and call Disney Home Entertainment at 1-800-723-4763 to ask them to release Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 and Season 3 onto DVD and ask them if Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 and Season 3 will be released onto DVD in 2012?

[ZariusTwo]

I'll call to get you sanctioned.

[jmodlin210]

Please email Disney at [email protected] and tell them you and everyone else wants GARGOYLES BACK ON DVD OF Season Two, Volume Two and Season Three and tell all of your friends and everyone to do the same thing to email Disney at [email protected] and tell them you and everyone else wants GARGOYLES BACK ON DVD OF Season Two, Volume Two and Season Three.

[Cure]

Is there a phone number I can call?

[jmodlin210]

The phone number for Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment Consumer Relations is 1-800-723-4763 to call them and tell them you and everyone else wants Gargoyles back on DVD of Season Two, Volume Two and Season Three and tell all of your friends and everyone else to do the same thing to call Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment Consumer Relations at 1-800-723-4763 to call them and tell them you and everyone else wants Gargoyles back on DVD of Season Two, Volume Two and Season Three.

[jmodlin210]

Let's all call Disney at 1-800-723-4763 and request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD on Monday.

[ZariusTwo]

Let's all call Disney at 1-800-723-4763 and request Gargoyles Season Two, Volume Two on DVD and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD on Monday.

Your trolling is getting on everyone's nerves and doesnt help the cause of your show.

Here's a better idea: Get laid. One f*cking cartoon can't be all that essential to your existence.

[jmodlin210]

Tomorrow everybody please take a few minutes to call Walt Disney Home Entertainment at 800-723-4763, navigate through the menu (it's easy) and request Gargoyles: Season Two, Volume Two and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD. Right now the plans are still tentative, let's see if we can help make those plans definite. Don't worry about annoying them, the requests do get kicked upstairs, and if we get their attention, if we let them know that we are out there and we are interested, it's more incentive to release them. Remember, we want to give them our money. Money talks. It's toll free, and will only cost you a few minutes of your time. If you can't do it tomorrow, do it sometime this week, but please do it and get all of your friends to do the same thing.

[Jester]

Tomorrow everybody please take a few minutes to call Walt Disney Home Entertainment at 800-723-4763, navigate through the menu (it's easy) and request Gargoyles: Season Two, Volume Two and Gargoyles Season Three on DVD. Right now the plans are still tentative, let's see if we can help make those plans definite. Don't worry about annoying them, the requests do get kicked upstairs, and if we get their attention, if we let them know that we are out there and we are interested, it's more incentive to release them. Remember, we want to give them our money. Money talks. It's toll free, and will only cost you a few minutes of your time. If you can't do it tomorrow, do it sometime this week, but please do it and get all of your friends to do the same thing.
I may not know from Gargoyles, but I can see a TROLL from a mile off....

[Raph's Girl]

So apparently Disney has put up ALL THREE SEASONS of Gargoyles up on their website to watch for FREE....

Not all eps of Goliath Chronicles are up but Im sure they will be eventually. Guess this is as close as we'll get to the eps being on DVD for now.
http://video.disney.com/shows/gargoyles-4ba34a5545c1259e961b9666

[CyberCubed]

So apparently Disney has put up ALL THREE SEASONS of Gargoyles up on their website to watch for FREE....

Not all eps of Goliath Chronicles are up but Im sure they will be eventually. Guess this is as close as we'll get to the eps being on DVD for now.
http://video.disney.com/shows/gargoyles-4ba34a5545c1259e961b9666

Pretty awesome. I prefer to own things on DVD but you can't say no to LEGAL streaming online episodes either.

[CyberCubed]

I'm rewatching the Goliath Chronicles now and its pretty solid. "The Dying of the Light" was one of my favorite episodes and I liked the fact that Geoffery (the blind man) knew Hudson was a Gargoyle. The dialogue between the two was great.

The Bronx/Amish episode was pretty boring but it would have fit right at home during the Avalon arc to be honest.

As I figured, the only reason people hate on it is because they're Greg Weisman worshippers and complain about ridiculous things that were plentiful in old episodes. I don't notice anyone acting out of character except for maybe Fox who for some reason can barely fight anymore.

[DonatelloNinja82]

Love this show too!

[oldmanwinters]

So... I take it that internet petition hasn't quite convinced Disney to release the rest of Season 2 on DVD?

What a surprise. :roll:

EDIT:
So apparently Disney has put up ALL THREE SEASONS of Gargoyles up on their website to watch for FREE....

Not all eps of Goliath Chronicles are up but Im sure they will be eventually. Guess this is as close as we'll get to the eps being on DVD for now.
http://video.disney.com/shows/gargoyles-4ba34a5545c1259e961b9666

Didn't realize that until now, but a very nice turn of events! :-)

[CyberCubed]

A few of the episodes are missing on that site though, I had to watch the missing episodes on youtube.

[Jester]

A few of the episodes are missing on that site though, I had to watch the missing episodes on youtube.
Is the one where Broadway accidentally shoots Elisa still there?

[CyberCubed]

Is the one where Broadway accidentally shoots Elisa still there?

I think, but a lot of episodes from the middle of Season 2 and the Avalon arc actually aren't there for some reason. Its like they were randomly skipped over for no reason.

There's also one episode of the Goliath Chronicles missing, "Genesis Undone" I believe.

[oldmanwinters]

Well, apparently Disney is finally putting this thing on DVD this month and offering it up for sale.

Kinda...
http://www.toonzone.net/forums/blu-ray-dvd-discussion/288327-new-gargoyles-dvds-coming-5-29-13-update-season-two-part-two-coming-june-2013-movie-club-exclusive-7.html#post4121777

[Shreddhead]

Well, apparently Disney is finally putting this thing on DVD this month and offering it up for sale.

Kinda...
http://www.toonzone.net/forums/blu-ray-dvd-discussion/288327-new-gargoyles-dvds-coming-5-29-13-update-season-two-part-two-coming-june-2013-movie-club-exclusive-7.html#post4121777

About 5 different Gargoyles threads across the Drome just cried out in ecstasy!


But seriously, this is pretty cool. I always really loved this show and its nice to see its going to get a release. Its also awesome that Disney put up so many of the episodes on their site, was not expecting that.

[oldmanwinters]

And apparently, Disney isn't done with their Movie Club exclusive releases of Disney Afternoon shows.

Talespin appears to be next on deck:
http://openvaultdisney.com/2013/05/30/talespin-volume-3-to-be-the-second-dmc-release-with-gargoyles/

[DonatelloNinja82]

And apparently, Disney isn't done with their Movie Club exclusive releases of Disney Afternoon shows.

Talespin appears to be next on deck:
http://openvaultdisney.com/2013/05/30/talespin-volume-3-to-be-the-second-dmc-release-with-gargoyles/

Great news!!:D

[oldmanwinters]

I'm glad the shows are getting released, but seeing as how I have no desire to join up with Disney Movie Club, I can't really get too excited about this.

[Jester]

I'm glad the shows are getting released, but seeing as how I have no desire to join up with Disney Movie Club, I can't really get too excited about this.
This...

What's worse than having incomplete seasons of the shows? Having to join a expensive movie club to finish them off.

[Pterobat]

Me and some other Gargoyles fans are going to pool on this, though I'm worreid that Disney will have a trapdoor where you can't order the same DVD multiple times...or something. You never know.

Still, I'm excited that this might be Really Happening. If worst comes to worst, there are some Disney movies that I need buying anyway. I'm just not ready to celebrate until I get those discs myself, given how long we Garg fans have been waiting.

The only downside besides the cost and obstacles is that I'm thinking they're going to have the edited versions on these DVDs. The edits are small, truly, but it'd be a shame.

[CyberCubed]

This is so stupid. I really don't think they'd lose that much money if they made it a standard retail release. Would it really be any worse than any of the other crap you see on DVD in stores?

Gargoyles deserves better.

[Pterobat]

Yes, it does.

My guess is that as such a huge corporation, Disney has an exacting standard for financial success, and so pulled the plug on its TV cartoon releases because they were underperforming by those standards. It's not about completion, but the bottom line.

And so, they let them squeak by in this small, exclusive format.

I won't say I'm not displeased, but...it's still better than nothing.

[CyberCubed]

Its really odd to me. I don't think the Gargoyle fanbase is that niche or small, and the show still airs on reruns last I checked. In fact the first time I saw the show was in the early 2000's on Toon Disney...I never watched it when it was new in its original run.

[Luke795]

Disney could release some of their TV shows manufactured-on-demand (MOD) just like Warner Bros. does.

[oldmanwinters]

Me and some other Gargoyles fans are going to pool on this, though I'm worreid that Disney will have a trapdoor where you can't order the same DVD multiple times...or something. You never know.


Heh, I actually saw the news link while checking out your Tumblr.

Good luck with scoring as many copies as possible!

Ah, I can't help but think Disney will do the same thing with Ducktales V.4, Darkwing Duck V.3, and some of the other shows too.

[JakeSully]

Loved this show since i was 13 as i recalled the pilot movie on UPN at night as i thought it was a badass pilot and i watched and taped every episode every morning when i got up.

Keith David was brilliant as Goliath as he's one of my fave actors since i saw The Thing on video when i was 5 and seeing They Live in theaters.

Who else thought Demona was hot? i did and i use to have fantasies about her even when i was asleep.

[Cure]

Who else thought Demona was hot? i did and i use to have fantasies about her even when i was asleep.

How I wish being a gross pervert was a bannable offense.

[愛]

I would've been banned years ago, then. :(

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Pretty sure that goes for most of us here by now. And who doesn't have cartoon-related fantasies on occasion? If Goliath really existed, I'm pretty sure I'd be in love like Eliza was. Then again, my hubby and I have our "fantasy date" lists of all sorts of fictional characters, so..... It's a fun hypothetical game we play of "would you date" certain caracters- Some of the choices we've come up with are both odd and really funny, lol!

[CyberCubed]

Eliza was probably the most feminist written female lead I've ever seen. She was a great role model, and its funny because she was still designed to be attractive and had huge boobs (watch the episode where she wears Belle's dress and dances with Goliath, her boobs are huge), but she was so well-written, smart and intelligent.

I think any female fan would think she's one of the best portrayed female leads in animation.

[JakeSully]

Elisa was a hottie as was Fox and Maggie was quite cute too.

Did anyone noticed how this show was done by some of the guys who did Batman TAS/Spawn?

[TheCanadiandrome]

Good show, I like to catch the reruns on Disney XD on weekends. Wish this show was on Netflix

[sdp]

I saw the show like 2 years ago and while I think it's a good show I think it's highly overrated. I also think S3 isn't htat bad, it did some things wrong but overall most episodes aren't the wort in the series, they're just rather average. It also has a few good ideas and I like the S3 finale more than the S2 one; it gives more closure at least.

Yes I know there's comics but those only came out recently and whatever but I'm judging the series as the show.

[CyberCubed]

Yes I know there's comics but those only came out recently and whatever but I'm judging the series as the show.

The comics got canceled very quickly. I think they only went on for 1 year.

[Pterobat]

The comics were cancelled because Disney upped the licensing fee, and the small comics company couldn't pay the fees. :(

But I'd recommend that everybody read those comics. They're great. Continuing to develop the characters and world, with a lot of elements that Greg Weisman had had planned for years.

Just don't judge them based on the art. Their choice of main artist was...unfortunate, and he had trouble meeting deadlines. There's some nice guest art near the end, though.

[CyberCubed]

Did they even have time to do any extra stories? From the sounds of things they only did like 3-4 stories before it was canceled. Especially since the first two issues were just an adaption of the first Season 3 episode.

[Pterobat]

Did they even have time to do any extra stories? From the sounds of things they only did like 3-4 stories before it was canceled. Especially since the first two issues were just an adaption of the first Season 3 episode.

Well, the main series lasted twelve issues, plus a six-issue spinoff "Bad Guys".

So I'm not sure what stories you mean. The main series covered a brief falling out between Elisa and Goliath / a Halloween special, an arc about the retrieval of the Stone of Destiny, the beginning and end of Brooklyn's time travel.

"The Journey" was adapted because it was the only episode of The Goliath Chronicles that Greg Weisman (the series co-creator and writer of the comic) had worked on. It provided a clean break with TGC, which are considered non-canon anyway. The rest of the comic was not, emphatically NOT, adaptations of TGC but all-new content.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I remember this show! it was awesome, Ill have to give it a rewatch:D

[oldmanwinters]

The comics were cancelled because Disney upped the licensing fee, and the small comics company couldn't pay the fees. :(

But I'd recommend that everybody read those comics. They're great. Continuing to develop the characters and world, with a lot of elements that Greg Weisman had had planned for years.

Just don't judge them based on the art. Their choice of main artist was...unfortunate, and he had trouble meeting deadlines. There's some nice guest art near the end, though.

I own the two TPBs of the ongoing series, and I certainly do appreciate them giving us Weisman's take on Season 3, but he really did try to cram so much of his long-term ideas into the last couple of issues. The ending is pretty jarring given how much the status quo changed off-panel.

[Pterobat]

I own the two TPBs of the ongoing series, and I certainly do appreciate them giving us Weisman's take on Season 3, but he really did try to cram so much of his long-term ideas into the last couple of issues. The ending is pretty jarring given how much the status quo changed off-panel.

The only thing that doesn't work for me is Coldfire and Coldstone deciding to rejoin the clan even though they had vowed not to until Coldsteel was defeated. It didn't seem like they were given a solid reason to do so, except to faciliate the "huge new clan" ending.

The whole time-travelling Brooklyn thing fit in fine: the comic hadn't done anything with him in a while, and, hey, new gargoyles!

[Vicky82]

I'm so happy, there was a Gargoyles sketch on Robot Chicken yesterday. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[TLP]

Are you telling me that Slave Labor Graphics is too lazy to reprint those Gargoyles comic continuations from a decade ago? NOBODY has that kind of money. (http://www.amazon.com/Gargoyles-Clan-Building-Volume-2/dp/1593621671/ref=pd_sim_sbs_14_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=512tMm7Z0uL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR104%2C160_&refRID=09085DX34EQ00M9SV9PA)

Amazon...I'm ashamed of you for allowing that scam artist to rip people off of their hard-earned money. :lol:

I'm so happy, there was a Gargoyles sketch on Robot Chicken yesterday. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Oooooo, I'm going to have to check that out!

[Vicky82]

Gargoyles will be on the Disney + streaming service. :D

https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2019/09/11/will-gargoyles-be-on-disney-plus/

Here's the cover art

https://66.media.tumblr.com/c2dca49862d37ba2b244cbfaf84887f8/9674494a92ccfdf8-df/s640x960/8a787e390377678341f70327b10b8b7efcb4c23d.jpg

Now I just need to wait for the UK release date for Disney+ :D

[CyberCubed]

The final season too?

[IMJ]

I am glad this thread popped up. I didn't care about Gargoyles back in the day, but I've had cause recently to become curious about the line and the series.

As some of you know I've been sorting accessories like a madman for a while now. I've been pulling the occasional Gargoyle's spear or armor accessory and it's made me curious about the line. I was surprised how much those things sell for on eBay. I'm not saying that they are super valuable, but at first I thought "this would be another cool line to collect at a couple bucks per figure".

But they are definitely not a couple bucks per figure. I even tried my luck at a few of the aftermarket toy shops in the area - looking through their "crap figure tubs" (you guys know what I'm talking about - those $1 per figure tubs of toys that are missing every accessory). Nothing.

It's not a line I'm going to pursue like crazy, but if I see them affordably priced I'll pick them up for sure!

[sdp]

I see people get all excited for these shows coming to OMG Disney XD, all shows i've seen rotted in youtube for over a decade and no one cared to watch them and the nostalgic casuals saying they're so excited won't even watch them like they didn't when you could see them for free.

[drgon78]

Good news would be them releasing the show on Blu Ray or at least finishing it on DVD.

[Vicky82]

Good news would be them releasing the show on Blu Ray or at least finishing it on DVD.

Season 1 and all of season 2 are on DVD in the US. Don't know about season 3 though but I don't think anyone would buy it anyway because it was so **** and non canon (except for the 1st episode).

[drgon78]

I don't remember season 3

[MsMarvelDuckie]

No, it wasn't, and I, for one, WOULD. I love the series, and canon or not, would love to have the last season to finish it off. So would a lot of others, I imagine.

[sdp]

It's certainly canon according to Disney and I don't see Greg Weisman as the owner of the IP.

[Vicky82]

The Proper season 3 is the comic books that were released from 2007, there were 12 issues.

Nightwatch
The Journey
Invitation Only
Masque
Bash
Reunion
The Rock
Rock & Roll
Rock of Ages
The Gate
Tyrants
Phoenix

There was also a spin off comic called Bad Guys.

Strangers
The Lost
Estranged
Louse
Strangled
Losers

Disney wanted more money for the Licence from SLG and SLG couldn't afford it, so the comics couldn't continue.

[drgon78]

Personally I would prefer to see season 3 and make my own opinion if I like it or not and would consider it "cannon".

[CyberCubed]

Season 3 in the show had at least 7 out of 13 good episodes, better than any Greg Weisman fanfiction comics he put out 25+ years later that were canceled again. :lol:

[Vicky82]

Looks like Gargoyles is doing well on Disney +. Apparently It's trending on twitter.

Also it's the the uncut and uncensored version, not the Toon Disney edited version.

I have to wait until March 31st for Disney +. :(

[sdp]

As much as I love Gargoyles I'd hate to see a new cartoon since I doubt a continuation would ever happen. I'd rather see a live action movie, they don't even have to change the sex and gender of the main human character.

[DarkFell]

Also it's the the uncut and uncensored version, not the Toon Disney edited version.

I was so mad that the USA Network chopped off a LOT of content from Gargoyles when it was on-the-air. Mostly, it was to 'shorten the show' in order to make room for their commercials. Toon Disney eventually bought the 'edited' version of the show.

FOX originally aired the series as it was in the mid-90's.

SatAM Sonic was also cut for content, and there was hardly anything that was considered inappropriate in the show. Mostly, it was for toy / cereal commercials.

[Sumac]

As much as I love Gargoyles I'd hate to see a new cartoon since I doubt a continuation would ever happen. I'd rather see a live action movie, they don't even have to change the sex and gender of the main human character.
We both know they will. :P