More of an Original TMNT fan or a Next Gen TMNT fan?

[Ryzar]

I was just wondering out of the general population here how many of you are more of a fan of the TMNT cartoons of the late 80s early 90s - The "Original" TMNT? Or are you more of a fan of these new TMNT cartoons "The Next Mutation"? And why?

Personally, I've not seen but a few minutes of the new Ninja Turtles cartoons. They just don't interest me as much as they did before. Obviously, I am older than I was back when I was watching the originals. But I have some original TMNT eps that I can watch these days and I find I still enjoy watching the Old School cartoons, for the most part.

So what about yourselves? :)

[Hannah]

Uh, the new series is not The Next Mutation. TNM was a crappy live-action thing that... didnt last very long. Because it sucked.

[Ryzar]

Uh, the new series is not The Next Mutation. TNM was a crappy live-action thing that... didnt last very long. Because it sucked.

well... shows how much I know about the current generation of TMNT. :p

I guess, If a Mod can change that "Next Mutation" to "Next Generation" It would be good.

otherwise, I guess this is a useless poll. :sick:

[GK Punk]

I changed the poll to say 2K3 series.

And I voted original. I like the new one just fine, but the old one is why I am here.

[bloodbath666]

I say both. I love the new series alot. I think if the new series and the old one both premired together and it was the first time I'd seen any of them, I'd be wayyyyyyyy more into the new series. The old one tho brings back great memories. I remember being in the toy store looking for tmnt when I was a kid, and I remember my buddies and me would play with tmnt action figures all the time. I miss that time alot and anytime I see the old series it brings a smile to my face, I still love it, the cheesyness the, humor...............The new series I love the art and production of it, and I love the story lines of the new one better than the old one, but I'll always have a place in my heart for the old one. :D

[Ryona]

TNM was a crappy live-action thing that... didnt last very long. Because it sucked.

Amen to that. It's too bad it tarnished the TMNT in general.
Ninja Turtles: TNM is like a priest who commits sexual acts with children. It makes the religion in question look REALLY bad.



Oh, and I like both the original and new series equally for two reasons...

The original series for humour and nostalgia.

The new series for action and adventure.

[onyx]

I like the 2K3 series better.

I've grown up with the old series and I did enjoy them very much (and still do), but, putting aside memories and nostalgy, the new show wins hands down. The action scenes are great, it's dark and creepy, it's more violent and it's more realisitic (as realistic as a mutant turtle show can be).

[ZariusTwo]

Oh for the love of...don't start this "old vs new" preference crap, this only leads to trouble, certain people tend to start thrashing the original in favour of the great-but-inferior new version without realising what this site's called and that the two cannot be compared and can be easily appreciated both at the same time.

I dont' watch the old show, like some do, for "memories", I still watch it because it actually IS better, objectivly, than the new one. Its' funnier, it's more original, and it's got it's own way of doing things. It's FUN, the new TMNT is solid and the best animated series in the medium presently, but it's jokes are terrible and the designs are grossly off-putting at times (which instantaniously owns anyone about to see the original had bad animation, the new one can be just as guilty, if not worse at times). Plus I can lighten up, as others can, and don't see why every new version of a classic HAS to be dark and forboding, I think we need a break from that before it gets dull, then bring it back. Thats's why you don't see that many dark shows in animation lately.

[Mobius One]

I disagree, Zarius. I respect your opinion, though. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the old series. Like Kittie February6 said, if it wasn't for the old series, we woulnd't be here. It's just that the new series (to me) just has more intelligent storylines than the old show ended up having. Although the first season of the old show is still truthfully my favorite over everything. Other than that, though, everytime I watch the old episode DVD's, I feel that it gets old pretty quick, and I have to watch them a couple episodes at a time. The new ones just have more (if just a little bit) adult stories, and they are not wrapped up in one episode (at least the really good stories aren't).

I definitly see what you mean about how every series nowadays has to be "dark and forboding", but with the new TMNT show, it suits it very well. This is how a Ninja Turtles television show is supposed to be. Well its close enough. I guess if you wanted to make a show that was extremely accurate in tone to the original comics, it would have to be aired on Adult Swim or something, because it would have to be a little gory.

So yeah. Zarius, I know you like the old show better, and I am not attacking you for it by any means, I just that to me, the new show is more watchable.

[ZariusTwo]

I disagree, Zarius. I respect your opinion, though. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the old series. Like Kittie February6 said, if it wasn't for the old series, we woulnd't be here. It's just that the new series (to me) just has more intelligent storylines than the old show ended up having.

I think it depends really, the worst episodes of the original are saved by the one liners and relationships the show's characters have. Its' Fraiser basiclly when it's not the Turtles against Shredder and Krang, and sometimes it is when they are. There's no doubt the first three years (that's as close as people get to loving it for the most part) are the best of the show followed by the last few, in terms of darker storytelling and a general arc, but the comedy makes what should'nt be watchable endurable

I definitly see what you mean about how every series nowadays has to be "dark and forboding", but with the new TMNT show, it suits it very well. This is how a Ninja Turtles television show is supposed to be.

I'm not disputing that, of course it's what the Turtles should be, just needs a little improving here and there to get where it needs to be in smaller areas, there are parts that should work, but just...don't.

[Jo269976]

I first became a TMNT fan because of the 2K3 Series, when i was little my bro loved it and i hated it, but after seeing the new TMNT i gave the olds ones a chance and it payed off, now i like it and my bro doesen't :lol: :D

[manny]

i like the originals better, even though the new r appealing at times

[Ringman]

I'm in a mixed bag here. I like the characters like Rocksteady and Bebop and Krang, but I like the serious tone of the newer shows. (I don't like how they make Mikey a total fool in the new series though, he was hipper in the original.) I guess I want something that was like the TMNT movies, or a mix between the Mirage and Archie comics. I like all the series, but none have really ever hit exactly what I was looking for. The Archie comics came DAMN close though.

[Weird Pizza]

The original

[blue_angel99]

I love both. I enjoyed the old toons cause it was fun for kids to watch. All the jokes still make me laugh. The classic toon is what made the TMNT a pop icon for generations to come. As an adult, I enjoy the new TMNT because its less goofy; I now like the serious stories and graphic action, something the old toon lacks. Plus I love how they show the turtles true character.

[Hannah]

It's funny how it didn't cause any trouble like Zarius thought until he got here. =D



Ninja Turtles: TNM is like a priest who commits sexual acts with children. It makes the religion in question look REALLY bad.
XDDDD Hahaha

[Jester]

Fan-o-both...nuff said. :p (Actually I've said it all before, and don't feel like posting it all again...)

[Sage Ninja]

I love them both but for the hell of it I voted for the original toon. I liked how fresh it was (at the time) and the story lines. Unlike allot of people I liked the most of the plot lines, even those after season three. For me the series offered something each season that I enjoyed. I the only season I didn't much care for was season five (with the exception of a few episodes).

I liked how the old cartoon wasn't dependent on being an action series and could actually have episodes that focused on the turtles just sitting around doing being themselves (like an a-day-in-the -life scenirio) instead of just ninjas. I think to an extent the show focused quite a bit on the characters and how they interacted with each other, sometimes with the action being the subplot, Like the episode "Donatello's Degree", where the episdoes primary focus was Donatello trying to get his degree and the obstackles in his path to get it. I thought this was a good episdoe because it focused more on Donatello (and Irma) rather than the action aspect; allot of episdes after season four where like this, and I enjoyed them.

By having it that way it freed up allot of constraints on the show, so that it could be more relaxed, because you weren't expecting them to always be in a life or death situation. I don't think the new toon could get away with this because the audinace is always expecting the turtles to doing something that "advances the story" or "doing something action packed", to the point that when the turtles do, do something sedate and mundane their "wasting time" or fans are bitching and moaning about the show airing a "filler" episode, Its like the turtles aren't allowed to have side adventures, unless it some how advance the theme or plot that is occureing that season.

The few episodes that these elements for me in the new toon are, "The unconvinceing turtle titan (I thought this gave a good look into Michaelangelo's personality) and the episode where Raphael spent some time with that blind elderly lady. I loved his interaction with the blind lady! In fact all the episdoes that where "stand alone" or so-called "filler" episodes where rather nice.

However I will say that the new toon offers more serious grippomg plots and situations that I wish that had been offered in the orginal toon. I like the new toon just as much as the original one.

[Duke]

I'm a huge fan of both but I still vote Old School because voting both just seems like a cheap out to me.

[JackieChan]

While I do like both versions of TMNT, I prefer the 2003 series. The storylines are great, it's dark, it's more violent, and the action is awesome. I do like the 1987 series because it was funny and more original, but to me, the 2003 series wins hands down. Though, I don't know how this new "Fast Forward" concept will turn out to be, but I'll give it a shot when it launches this fall.

[KROW]

I like the new one just fine, but the old one is why I am here.
Agreed, though I voted for both.

Amen to that. It's too bad it tarnished the TMNT in general.
Ninja Turtles: TNM is like a priest who commits sexual acts with children. It makes the religion in question look REALLY bad.
Yow. Quite an interesting analogy, there. :ohwell:

You know, I have a theory on that tarnishing comment. People say that TNM was horrid and evil and what-not, yet the tarnishing in question could be due to people remembering the show's existence, instead of its actual existence. Perhaps one outweighs the other, since I think that both factors are to blame.

[Ryona]

Yeah, I can agree with you, Krow. The problem is something like Ninja Turtles: TNM is not likely to ever be forgoten. Naturally people will always remember the worst of anything or anyone.

[BigApple3AM]

I've returned! Anyone miss me?.... Anyone?

Well I'll give my opinion anyway. In response to a post above, I actually think the old show was more intelligent, in a Harvard grad sort of way. Referencing things like the muskateers (four muskaturtles), amongst other literary gems that are less popular, along with references to old movies and noir films (invasion of the turtle snatchers, maltese hamster). Better writing would go to the new series, in terms of plot. The old show had much better dialogue, and many snappy comebacks.

I say Harvard grad, because that's who it used to be writing cartoons. Simpsons, where Conan O'brien used to write for the show. I think he's a Harvard grad.

I'd just have to say old cartoon hands down, kittie summed up my thoughts on that nicely. I accept the new cartoon, and if a little kid gets even half the enjoyment of the new series as I did the old then it's probably worth it.

Still the new one can't hold my attention like the old one does, and it doesn't get me pumped up like the old one. I feel like eating a pizza and shouting cowabunga when I watch the old cartoons on DVD.

I feel like bitching and complaining about the storylines after watching the new one ;)


PS: I think the movie outshines both the old and new cartoons and even the comics. The movie so far is what I think best represents turtles, and if you're looking for drama/violence/realism and adult situations the movie blended all those AND appealed to little kids. Something I'm not so sure the new one does. It's still a worthy addition to the TMNT franchise, and is much better than past resurrections (cought NEXT MUTATION cough....sputter red sky wheeze).

COWABUNGA!!!!

[Buslady]

I said both but I'm not a huge fan of the old.

[The Green Ranger]

im more of an original fan. i grew up with it. i dont hate the newer one i just havent seen enough to form a reliable opinion. what little i have seen i liked tho.

[Sage Ninja]

One thing that I particualy enjoyed about the classic TMNT was the snappy dialogue and quick come backs the characters had with each. VOL 4 of season three has reminded just why exactly I was so hooked on this series.

Seriously I loved Green With Jealously mostly because of the dialogue :lol: especially between Rocksteady and April. I loved that part where Bebop, RockSteady, and April are in the boat and the missil comes at them and they just ditch her, and she has to jump into the water all tighed up to chair all by her self. I forget what she says before she does this, somthing like:" wait for me my darling" **splash** . It had me on the floor.

[Artemesia]

The other day, I bought the season 2 DVD and even the clerk agreed with me, old school was better.

I guess if you wanted to make a show that was extremely accurate in tone to the original comics, it would have to be aired on Adult Swim or something, because it would have to be a little gory.

Had to bring that up because it reminded me of something that happened when I was playing Trivial Pursuit with my brother. The question was "Who are Michelangelo, Donatello, Leonardo and Raphael known as?" He replied "The ****ing Ninja Turtles!" I said "No, the answer is 'TheTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.'" (I gave him the wedge anyway.) I told some friends about this and they said "The ****ing Ninja Turtles" would make a good show, but they'd have to put it on Adult Swim.

[Mandi-chan]

New toon, no doubt about it.

I like the old toon too, but the new one is more my taste.

By the way, Kittie february6, I love your current avy. You a fan of W.I.T.C.H. too? I've been reading the comic and love it!

[Sage Ninja]

Well I'll give my opinion anyway. In response to a post above, I actually think the old show was more intelligent, in a Harvard grad sort of way. Referencing things like the muskateers (four muskaturtles), amongst other literary gems that are less popular, along with references to old movies and noir films (invasion of the turtle snatchers, maltese hamster). Better writing would go to the new series, in terms of plot. The old show had much better dialogue, and many snappy comebacks.

You know I actually appricaited the news room and media aspect of the series with April and Vernon. I actually thought that was a nice touch. And you are right there where allot of refrences to classic movies and books (and occasionally culture)scattered periodically here there in the seasons. I adored the European tour the turtles took in season seven, it was great.

[gobo]

I find that the new series fixes almost everything I disliked about the old show. While it didn't start out that way, the old toon quickly descended into a politically correct mockery of it's once great potential. Just like Thundercats... :(

[Sage Ninja]

well every one is entitled to their own opinion...

[Kendamu]

I'm a fan of both but for different reasons. The new toon offers the storylines closer to the Mirage comics and the first movie. The animation is nice. Plus, I haven't seen all of the episodes so there's something new there.

However, as TMNT was originally a spoof, the old toon gives that feel of being a spoof of normal kids cartoons because a lot of times it's humor breaks "The 4th Wall". That, and it has nostalgia going for it, too.

[NeoBix]

original series and original video games all the waaaaaay baby! 8)

[Sage Ninja]

I'm a fan of both but for different reasons. The new toon offers the storylines closer to the Mirage comics and the first movie. The animation is nice. Plus, I haven't seen all of the episodes so there's something new there.

However, as TMNT was originally a spoof, the old toon gives that feel of being a spoof of normal kids cartoons because a lot of times it's humor breaks "The 4th Wall". That, and it has nostalgia going for it, too.

now you see many people say that they watch the classic TMNT toon for the nostalgia factor, but i actaully still genuanly enjoy the classic toon and the story plots. I think the best season was was seven because it had a good balance of seriuosness and slightly more action oriented and darker themes than the rest of the series and still remained true to the quirky humours aspect of the show that made TMNT unique.

However when I see people bash the new toon because it doesn't have Bebop and Rocksteady or outlandish story plots I get pissed because they are being close minded. I deal with a few of them on TV.Com:evil:

[R-iZZy]

I decided to cop-out and just choose "Both". Can't go wrong with a neutral vote!

[commentor]

I also said both because I like the new one because it's new. when I say new I mean the one that is on 4kids.I like the older one since it is so wacky and this way I think they were able to have any story and any character they were allowed to have.

[Zack Dogg]

Although I am slowly growing to favor the new 2003 animated series more, I am more faithful to the original series. Although I remain disappointed by the rather repetitive plots of seasons coming after the first season and the subpar animation of some episodes, I still enjoy the old cartoon show.

[Lady Venus]

Love both the old and red sk. I didn't really like watching NT: NM.