Pokemon Is Dead, Long Live Pokemon

[ZariusTwo]

PokéAni is reporting that a spinoff series based on the video games Pokémon Mysterious Dungeon will air later this year, to be kicked off with a 2-hour premiere special airing this July. The plot will focus on a boy who transforms into a Pikachu with Eevee as his partner. Much like the game, it seems as though the Pokémon in the special will be able to speak actual language, instead of just their name.

Pokémon Mysterious Dungeon is a video game for both the GameBoy Advance and Nintendo DS. Like most Pokémon games, they come in two colors, Red (the GBA version) and Blue (the DS version). In it, the player controls a Trainer who has been turned into a Pokémon and while waiting for a chance to turn back into a human, the player teams up with other Pokémon to rescue their fellow Pokémon from a huge natural disaster. The player can earn unlockables if they have both games in their DS.

Though Mysterious Dungeon came out last November in Japan, no release date has been scheduled for places outside the Land of the Rising Sun. It has also not been announced whether this series will be brought over to the United States or not.

For more information on Pokémon Mysterious Dungeon, visit its Serebii.net section.

Oh god, I love the original anime, but this is "Action Masters Transformers" level stupid.

[DrSpengler]

So...the kid can transform into a Pikachu? That's kinda lame.

Maybe if he could transform into any pokemon he encounters (logs in his pokedex or whatever) that might be an interesting new twist.

Well, this certainly doesn't sound like it's going to get me back into the franchise. Sorry, Nintendo.

[GK Punk]

I just love the title of this thread. For that, I bow to you Zarius.
I think I'll give the show a chance, but I expect nothing out of it.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Good thing NIntendo has learned to live without Pokemon, because it just kicked.

[Jester]

Who else says Nintendo should do a CG Mario show...*looks up at TMB's avi/siggy*

[DrSpengler]

It definately needs to give more of its properties a chance at television than just Pokemon and F-Zero (which didn't last long).

It doesn't even have to be Mario or Zelda. Hell, Star Fox would make an awesome syndicated animated series. And I don't even like the game!

[IceFlash78]

Zarius, what do you find so appealing about the original pokemon animated series? I tried to watch a few episode of it, but I just didn't like it. I found it to be extremely repetivie and childish.

[Buslady]

I thought Pokemon died a long time ago.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Who else says Nintendo should do a CG Mario show...*looks up at TMB's avi/siggy*

Ya' see, I always wanted this because I have such a deeply fond memory of the Mario Super Show (which will be in my mailbox tomorrow morning SEASON ONE w00t), but I'm fully against a modern Mario cartoon. Kirby's anime was a desaster and took me a year to remove from my memory and association with Kirby. Hell, I missed out on Kirby's Air Ride for it (which kicks major ass btw. Ciry Trial's multiplayer is AWESOME). F-Zero's show killed the series for me, Pokemon's series......moving on, and honestly, as long as a company named 4Kids Entertainment exists, no way in hell. I just don't want it. Mario is an icon to me and millions of other people. Some grew up with him, others are just getting to know him. I've known Mario all my life, and he's always been there through everything. To see him get raped by some third party animation studio (flash, handdrawn, anime, CGI, whatever), have his voice changed to suit a cheap production budget, have moralistic values stuck into a show to suit FCC guidelines, and all that other sh*t...well, it just makes me quiver deep down. Yeah, the animation in the Super Show was sloppy and pretty sh*tty to the standards of the day, but the modern stuff makes it look like Rembrant's oil works. Honestly, shows may have been created back then to sell stuff, but they knew how to entertain while they did it. Ever since Clinton voted in that All children's programming must have "NOT SO" subliminal educational and moralistic values" law for the US, Animation was condemned as a dying breed to me. It marked the death of Fox Kids (which was my life's blood for my whole childhood), CBS Saturday morning, and the immediate decline of Kids WB (R.I.P Animaniacs).

The animation world we all grew up in back with those kickass old series is long dead and forgotten. What we have left is blatant 22 minute Batman toy commercials and bad american flash anime. If a Mario series were done in this style, it would be absoulte sh*t and would serve no purpose other than destress and smear their image even further and to completely destroy Mario's ability to sell to people of any age, just like it did Kirby. Look at Sonic X.

[ZariusTwo]

Zarius, what do you find so appealing about the original pokemon animated series? I tried to watch a few episode of it, but I just didn't like it. I found it to be extremely repetivie and childish.

The series began as a very tight arc, dropping hints of bigger events like the first movie and slowly developing the world around Ash whilst being very stand alone in it's approach. For an anime it had a western sense of "not too much elongating", which is why you dont' see it being as bold as other anime shows that became hits in the wake of the series.

Dont' get me wrong, when the show hit Johto it became everything you have said it to be, but Misty's removal heralded the return to the kind of tight, fresh arcs the original was renowned for, May may suck, but at least she freshed up the show's run. Then they added new villains like Team Aqua and Team Magma, that soon developed better characteristics than the standard Team Rocket.

[DrSpengler]

Ya' see, I always wanted this because I have such a deeply fond memory of the Mario Super Show (which will be in my mailbox tomorrow morning SEASON ONE w00t), but I'm fully against a modern Mario cartoon. Kirby's anime was a desaster and took me a year to remove from my memory and association with Kirby. Hell, I missed out on Kirby's Air Ride for it (which kicks major ass btw. Ciry Trial's multiplayer is AWESOME). F-Zero's show killed the series for me, Pokemon's series......moving on, and honestly, as long as a company named 4Kids Entertainment exists, no way in hell. I just don't want it. Mario is an icon to me and millions of other people. Some grew up with him, others are just getting to know him. I've known Mario all my life, and he's always been there through everything. To see him get raped by some third party animation studio (flash, handdrawn, anime, CGI, whatever), have his voice changed to suit a cheap production budget, have moralistic values stuck into a show to suit FCC guidelines, and all that other sh*t...well, it just makes me quiver deep down. Yeah, the animation in the Super Show was sloppy and pretty sh*tty to the standards of the day, but the modern stuff makes it look like Rembrant's oil works. Honestly, shows may have been created back then to sell stuff, but they knew how to entertain while they did it. Ever since Clinton voted in that All children's programming must have "NOT SO" subliminal educational and moralistic values" law for the US, Animation was condemned as a dying breed to me. It marked the death of Fox Kids (which was my life's blood for my whole childhood), CBS Saturday morning, and the immediate decline of Kids WB (R.I.P Animaniacs).

The animation world we all grew up in back with those kickass old series is long dead and forgotten. What we have left is blatant 22 minute Batman toy commercials and bad american flash anime. If a Mario series were done in this style, it would be absoulte sh*t and would serve no purpose other than destress and smear their image even further and to completely destroy Mario's ability to sell to people of any age, just like it did Kirby. Look at Sonic X.

Points taken.

And I don't think I could sit through a show with Charles Martinet, or a Martinet-impression, as the voice of Mario for half an hour.

He's fine as those cute little soundbites for the games, but listening to him try to talk with any sort of emotion and character would just be a disaster. Essentially, his voice is just a goofy Mickey Mouse.

Which is why I always prefered the Lou Albano/Walker Boone/Bob Hoskings characterization of Mario with the deep voice. He was friendly and goofy but still had an attitude and character.

Like I said, Charles Martinet is just Mickey Mouse with a moustache.

[Dr. Doom]

I just liked the first theme song, really.

[Drtooth]

I have no problem with the video game or a massive problem with the cardgame, but I HATE the cartoon show with a passion. It's as repetitive as Scooby doo... but at least Scooby has likeable characters in it. Now this transforming bit sounds completely blood sucking dumb. I just wish the old series would end over here.

With that said, I agree nintendo should make all new cartoons of other properties. Sure, Mario has had 4 shows (including Saturday Supercade), but that was eons ago. Zelda had that one show. Kirby was fun. F-Zero? Bleh... that was very dull. If I'm gonna see an anime about racing, I'm goin' with Ol' Speed racer.

I'm glad they finally released the old cartoons on DVD, but I'm hungering for a new Mario show. And Give the brother a Brooklyn accent, while your at it.

[Dr. Doom]

If you look at those old episodes of Scooby Doo, or anything else HB did around that time, I really feel it's some of the poorest quality animation that's ever been produced. Frankly, when this generation of kids grows up, they may re-embrace Pokémon the way that would mirror the second coming of Scooby Doo that we've experianced these past few years. It may not be Pokéon exactly, but that sort of thing could very well happen with one of today's popular kids shows.

[ZariusTwo]

If you look at those old episodes of Scooby Doo, or anything else HB did around that time, I really feel it's some of the poorest quality animation that's ever been produced.

Amen. Scooby got better slightly in the 1980's, but the original series really was a flower in a dustbin at the time

There's no doubt Pokemon will return, Digimon is already making a comeback

[Ra]

Like I said, Charles Martinet is just Mickey Mouse with a moustache.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Ra-Cho/mickey-003.png

Sorry, couldn't resist :lol:

Wow, a guy turns into Pikachu :blanksta: Honestly, I would only be interested if they turned into something different, like Charmander for example. For God's sake Nintendo, quit it with Pikachu! :evil:

[VaughnMichael]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Ra-Cho/mickey-003.png

Sorry, couldn't resist :lol:

Wow, a guy turns into Pikachu :blanksta: Honestly, I would only be interested if they turned into something different, like Charmander for example. For God's sake Nintendo, quit it with Pikachu! :evil:
it's a me Mickio! lol :lol:

[DrSpengler]

So Micky's into the Dirty Sanchez, I see. ;)

[Kid Icarus]

Pokemon's far from dead guys...

5 million plus sales of Emerald, 10th year aniversary this year, 250+ player regional TCG tournaments (california's TCG States had that many alone), and the TCG is whooping on Magic: The Gathering again, as well as the cartoon constantly staying ranked as the #1 kids cartoon show.

Hell, my States tournament pulled in 35 players with a blizard going on outside.

[Hannah]

Hahaha, TCGs. Shadow plays those. They have like a league of card-players. I think they're stupid. >_>

...-won't move the conversation anywhere-

[ZariusTwo]

Pokemon's far from dead guys...

Power Rangers ranked quite high ratings wise way into it's seventh season when everyone in the mainstream had stopped watching, defending Pokemon's stature or recent achievments right now is pointless. If the mainstream don't care, it's dead in one aspect.

[Drtooth]

as well as the cartoon constantly staying ranked as the #1 kids cartoon show.


Wow... seems like kids are just gettin' stupider at this point.:tcouch:

Seriously... It's like one of those obnoxious things from the 90's that never went away... like Tellitubbies or Barney. It's like kids should be buying internet stock and listening to Spice Girls and the Macarana too.
I feel it's WAAAAY too soon for the 90's to come back style wise (as the 80's recently did). ANd the resurgence of unsellable Furbies proves it.

At this point, I just want the damn cartoon to end. I mean, I kinda liked the villains during the first season, but it all just seems like they have 2 different plots and want to see how much milage they can get out of it. I know a lot of competitive fighting Animes are repetitive... look at that Ultimate Muscle show from 2 years ago... they consitantly used the same storylines as they had back in 1980(not kidding... I looked it up... the manga is just so much better, anyway). But they at least are fun to watch (some of them, anyway) but Pokemon follows the plotlines of A) They discover a new pokemon or B) they get into a tournament battle. and halfway through the villains come up and botch an attempt to catch Pikarat. I'da given up around season 3. Boris and Natash or Wile e. Coyote they aint.

It's simply a horrid show. And as much as I poopooed it when it came out, I'd even say Digimon was better... and I think both are lame. I have nothing against the games, but the toy line sits on shelves here, and the cartoon seems to be a train with no one on it looping a small track throughout eternity.

[ZariusTwo]

Digimon is nothing like Pokemon, from A to B, just watch Digimon Tamers to see how dark and unrestrained it eventually got Lame videogame, lame merchandising....great anime for the most part, except 02, 04 would've been sublime had they not made the humans become the Digimon and toned the material down from Tamers.

Although the new series, Digimon Savers has'nt been impressing me that much.

[Chang'e Long]

I agree with Zarius about season 02. It got good all the way untill the end which sucked big time. I got pissed at the ending.

Pokemon used to be good. The one with Misty. Not the one with May. The one with May just a little too lame and now Pokemon looks like it's going down the drain right now. The best one, I believe, was the where Ash was going to the Indigo Plateu. Great character development back then.

[Lady Venus]

The year when they stopped making Pokemon Me and bro will be 33 and 35. That's 8 years from now.