The Mystery of "Insane in the Membrane" Solved

[Emmanuel Cruz]

Yep, the censors once again cop out. As a big fan of classic cartoons (Looney Tunes, Popeye, Tom and Jerry, etc.) anytime the censors strike, it bugs me a lot.

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TMNT cartoon series producer Lloyd Goldfine sent in the following info regarding why the episode "Insane in the Membrane" did not air on 4Kids TV in the USA (it has aired in Australia and a few other countries):

"The final edited and mixed version of the notorious 'Insane in the Membrane' was deemed unsuitable for air by Fox Broadcast Standards and Practices. Apparently, in between the time the episode was written, storyboarded, animated and edited (all stages approved by Fox BS&P), and the time the show was mixed for air, there was a change of personnel in the Fox BS&P offices, and no one involved in the original approvals was still employed at Fox. Upon seeing the episode, they were said to be 'horrified' and that there was no way they could air the episode. I'm not sure I disagree with them - had there been BS&P comments earlier in the process, we certainly would have handled the show differently. But as it was approved at every stage, we went full steam ahead. In the end, I was told it was bad judgment on my part... so there you have it.

I believe this episode will eventually be available, but plans have not been finalized."

- Lloyd

[Chris]

Thanks for the update.

This supports my reasoning that part of the reason behind skipping The Lost Season for Fast Forward was that the Lost Season was too much for Fox censors, and this combined with better toy potential from FF paved the way for the episodes being scrapped.

Indeed in this thread Boardman says that, in his opinion, the Lost Season was "certainly the most intense arc the Turtles ever had".
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228418

On page two of that thread he also says that the current idea (as of 5th May) is to release a 2 disc/12 episode set of The Lost Season. He makes no mention of how many of those episodes are new and how many are related Season 4 episodes (remember Dan did say that TLS could be as few as 10 episodes and we know they probably won't get all of Season 4 on Vols. 3.8 and 3.9). Of course he does say that's subject to change and I'm personally hoping we still get a 13 episode Lost Season.

[Raph's Girl]

*sighs* Fraking FOX sensors!! :x

[J Legault]

Hmm, yes I knew it had to do with TV approveables.

Well I know I'll see the episode someday. Since they can't have it unaired forever. And I have no problem buying it on DVD if it will be on a DVD line up.

[Jester]

I just wish some of those Aussies who taped the show would share the wealth. I'm sure someone out there has the episode. Help your American brethren out!

[Chris]

I'm hoping it will be on Vol. 3.9 as that's the one that will deal with Bishop and his Mutant Outbreak.

[Spitfire]

DVD release, thats all I can say

[OldSchooler]

Haha! Thank God for loose Aussie classifications!

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

:evil: :evil: :evil:

If I had a sword, a car, and nothing left to lose they would all be dead. Every last one of them.

[Buslady]

whata buncha retards...
it seems to be a pretty intense ep, but hell, what was SAINW and Bad Day!
big fat cop out

[Raph's Girl]

Last night on FOX they aired one of the Simpson Tree House of Horrors eps.

In the ep the FOX sensor got stabbed to death by the rating's system. :lol:

[Inner City Blues]

I hope the episode is on a DVD release then because this is ridiculous that someone felt the episode was "horrible" because kids can't deal with mature themes.

I actually like that the Lost Season is off TV because I would like the creators to do what they please. I also don't want a release early 2007 if that means stuff is rushed. I can be patient and wait for a mature full fledged storyline. I'd also like to see a storyline that helps to resolve the storylines of Hun and Karai. If we can get some straight-to-DVD seasons, I think that'd really be nice.

I think I will pass on Fast Forward now, it seems we now have a case of greedy network executives messing with a show so they can push more toys.

Perhaps we should all write letters to Lloyd Goldfine and company to tell them that their vision of the show is top notch, and they shouldn't worry about the words of Fox executives.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I hope the episode is on a DVD release then because this is ridiculous that someone felt the episode was "horrible" because kids can't deal with mature themes.

I actually like that the Lost Season is off TV because I would like the creators to do what they please. I also don't want a release early 2007 if that means stuff is rushed. I can be patient and wait for a mature full fledged storyline. I'd also like to see a storyline that helps to resolve the storylines of Hun and Karai. If we can get some straight-to-DVD seasons, I think that'd really be nice.

I think I will pass on Fast Forward now, it seems we now have a case of greedy network executives messing with a show so they can push more toys.

Perhaps we should all write letters to Lloyd Goldfine and company to tell them that their vision of the show is top notch, and they shouldn't worry about the words of Fox executives.

That's a Gribble of an Idea :D

[OldSchooler]

Having done God knows how many research assignments on censors, classifications and violence in television, I guarantee you there would be complaints from parents on this one. Parent groups pissed and moaned about the classification for Goblet of Fire, which in my mind wasnt anywhere near as dark as it's predecessor, but this is more visually unsuitable for who we all know the target demographic is. I mean back in our day, we had Ghostbusters cartoons that showed this sort of stuff constantly (which ultimately became the reason it was cancelled), and countless villains in other shows with slightly morbid visuals, and then we had the Batman animated series come in at the decline of TMNT, so we've seen a fair amount to be able to handle it as though it were nothing, but honestly what have kids got now? Pokemon and crap like that. To go from letting your kid watch the cutesy pop anime and the like to a walking corpse fall to pieces is a fairly big step. I wouldn't pass judgement on it till you've seen it.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

That's the problem with todays parents, they're too damn sensitive. Nowadyas, you rarely get good action cartoons like you did back in the 90's. Now, and especially after 9/11, people think if a child sees something violent, it's gonna cause them to kill theyre friends, or support terroism and crap like that. That's why the only 2 good things on Saturday Mornings are Xiaolin Showdown and TMNT.

I just don't see why people can't lighten up. If theyr'e too afraid to see something dark and violent on tv, they should just change the ****ing channel and stop ruining things for the rest of us.

[J Legault]

D*m straight!

People like my aunt have that kind of issues when it comes to violences in cartoons.

Kids should have the right to watch Y7 cartoons with little or no violences.

[OldSchooler]

Everyone here knows that isn't going to happen. This is what I'm saying. There is too much bubblegum out there for the kids brains. When we were kids we were being hit with much harder stuff than they are. The Batman is still nothing compared to Batman TAS, and Teen Titans is just swill. Look at Transformers, it's so insanely sugar-coated compared to what we had it's ludicrous. But still Parent groups are the ones that **** everything around. Look at what happened with that Muppet Xmas movie a few years ago. Snoop Dogg had like a cameo appearance and said one line... ONE PARENT was all it took to write a letter and get him cut out of the film altogether becuase he was supposedly a "Bad influence on children and if he's in there, I won't be watching nor will my children". ********! The muppets had some people in their original shows and even guests on Sesame Street that if kids knew half of what they got up to outside of making movies, or half the movies they make, they'd make Snoop look relatively tame (then at least). So I will reiterate...

If this episode had've gone to air, there would have been complaints. If one parent with the same mind that got The Real Ghostbusters cancelled or Snoop Dogg cut out of a Muppet Movie had seen this, there would have been trouble. I guarantee. We might not think it's that bad an episode and that kids should be able to handle it. Sure some might, but some might not, and once you've seen the episode, and you sit back and REALLY, REALLY think about it, you'd be surprised how dark it truly is. I promise you, it leaves Same As It Never Was floating face down.

[Stephen]

We'd probably have gotten the episode in the UK by now, but CITV channel seem to be showing endless re-runs of "Cousin Sid" - "Samurai Tourist"

[Inner City Blues]

I think the answer is a new network is needed outside of the confines of network television and Cartoon Network. I've always felt something more adult was needed, but not like Adult Swim (which I think is complete crap, except for The Boondocks).

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Everyone here knows that isn't going to happen. This is what I'm saying. There is too much bubblegum out there for the kids brains. When we were kids we were being hit with much harder stuff than they are. The Batman is still nothing compared to Batman TAS, and Teen Titans is just swill. Look at Transformers, it's so insanely sugar-coated compared to what we had it's ludicrous. But still Parent groups are the ones that **** everything around. Look at what happened with that Muppet Xmas movie a few years ago. Snoop Dogg had like a cameo appearance and said one line... ONE PARENT was all it took to write a letter and get him cut out of the film altogether becuase he was supposedly a "Bad influence on children and if he's in there, I won't be watching nor will my children". ********! The muppets had some people in their original shows and even guests on Sesame Street that if kids knew half of what they got up to outside of making movies, or half the movies they make, they'd make Snoop look relatively tame (then at least). So I will reiterate...

If this episode had've gone to air, there would have been complaints. If one parent with the same mind that got The Real Ghostbusters cancelled or Snoop Dogg cut out of a Muppet Movie had seen this, there would have been trouble. I guarantee. We might not think it's that bad an episode and that kids should be able to handle it. Sure some might, but some might not, and once you've seen the episode, and you sit back and REALLY, REALLY think about it, you'd be surprised how dark it truly is. I promise you, it leaves Same As It Never Was floating face down.

I just think it's stupid to wory about a cartoon when theres much more things to worry about. Kids see violence in the real world all the time, I doubt something on t.v. would have anymore effect.

I'm actually proud of Peter Laird and the writters. If they can make an episode that scared the censors, then it's furthur more proof that TMNT is one of the greatest cartoons ever.

I think the answer is a new network is needed outside of the confines of network television and Cartoon Network. I've always felt something more adult was needed, but not like Adult Swim (which I think is complete crap, except for The Boondocks).


If you got the money and skill to do it, then go for it.

And Adult Swim pwns all.

[OldSchooler]

You miss my point. I don't doubt that there will be kids who both can and, adversely, can't handle it. It's the PARENT that sees their kid watching it that will cause trouble.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I get your point. Parents really uderestimate their children. They think seeing something violent or scary on tv will turn their children into murderers and rapists.

I've been watching violent material since I was 5 and I turned out okay.

[OldSchooler]

Me too, but it's that ONE parent that'll do it all in.

[The Big Bad]

You know, I really can't be too angry at anyone here. Despite being reportedly more strict that their predecessors, the new S&P people don't seem like unreasonable people, given the fact that the rest of the season (particularlyTale of Master Yoshi and Outbreak) managed to pass unschathed. I'm willing to trust that their reasons for being "horrified" are not entirely unfounded. Right now, I'm with ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael in thinking that this is kind of cool.

Of course, the question now is, what could "Insane" contain that would horrify them. Given "Tale", Outbreak, and the Leatherhead torture scenes in Good Genes pt. 1, I don't think violence is the issue.

[OldSchooler]

I've already explained what's in it dude, Stockman goes completely insane and will stop at nothing to kill April. His new body begins rapidly decomposing and falling apart, he performs tests on his own body that show him mutilating himself, his skin rots, limbs and digits come off and are reattached, minor internals show, he's basically a relentless, super-powerful corpse bent on revenge and strutting around in his undies while snapping in and out of psychotic delusions.

[OldSchooler]

The violence isn't the issue at all with this one, it's just a tad disturbing. It's like if you took the Clayface origin in the Batman: TAS, mashed it with Two-Face and dragged that out for a whole half hour instead of a couple of minutes. It reminded me a lot of Cronenberg's remake of The Fly.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

The violence isn't the issue at all with this one, it's just a tad disturbing. It's like if you took the Clayface origin in the Batman: TAS, mashed it with Two-Face and dragged that out for a whole half hour instead of a couple of minutes. It reminded me a lot of Cronenberg's remake of The Fly.

Please, no more. The more I hear this episode described, the more pissed I get that Fox B S&P are keeping me form seeing it.

Do they know that there is a TMNT fanbase over 13?

[OldSchooler]

This is the thing, TMNT is by nature a kids program. It's marketed towards kids primarily, otherwise we wouldn't have such a huge merch market for it. Sure, it caters for the long running fans as well, but the target audience for this show is clearly that 6-12 age group. These shows weren't made for the older fans, they would've been in mind during production, but i'm pretty sure if they were you'd be looking at something totally different that could probably only be screened on Adult Swim.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

This is the thing, TMNT is by nature a kids program. It's marketed towards kids primarily, otherwise we wouldn't have such a huge merch market for it. Sure, it caters for the long running fans as well, but the target audience for this show is clearly that 6-12 age group. These shows weren't made for the older fans, they would've been in mind during production, but i'm pretty sure if they were you'd be looking at something totally different that could probably only be screened on Adult Swim.

Complex and carefully woven story lines, dark themes, a ruthless murdering Shredder, lots of continuity. I think when this show was made, all demographics were kept in mind. If they wern't, I could gaurntee you this show would be more like Loonatics Unleashed.

[OldSchooler]

Complex and carefully woven story lines, dark themes, a ruthless murdering Shredder, lots of continuity. I think when this show was made, all demographics were kept in mind. If they wern't, I could gaurntee you this show would be more like Loonatics Unleashed.

I did say they had the older fans in mind, but they aren't the target.

[OldSchooler]

This whole FF thing is the best example I can give. If they weren't targetting kids, then why is this happening?

[Masked Ninja]

Well, FF is more like 4Kids saying "Oh yeah... this is supposed to be shiny and flashy for kids. Make a flashy future season! With toy opportunities!"

This is exactly why we're freaking out to begin with - we're afraid that it'll CHANGE the awesomeness that the show already is, and change it into some turtley Winx Club. :tgrumble: No offense to those of y'all who like that show.

[zkarlette]

Fast Forward doesnt impress me at all Im still not happy with the idea....

I think that If they don't want to air the Ep or sell it targeting kids , at least they should make it available and sell it as DVD on the official site so whoever wants to see it can

[Cascadia]

It is the parents that tend to make a huge statement on what their children can watch. Sometimes parents do not mind their kids watching the TMNT but they want the producers to make it less violent.

My parents allowed my brother and I watch the original series and we both grew up nicely and mature.

[onyx]

My parents allowed my brother and I watch the original series and we both grew up nicely and mature.

Let's not forget that the old series were far less violent than the new ones.

I'm not saying that they should apply censorship like they did with Insane in the Membrane of course ;) Just pointing that out.

[Fledermaus]

:evil: :evil: :evil:

If I had a sword, a car, and nothing left to lose they would all be dead. Every last one of them.

Amen. :evil: I hope they hire me to design their houses some day. I'll make sure they're rigged to collapse at just the right moment.:evil:

[jestergoblin]

I saw it today and it was a little disgusting but not too over the top. Added a lot of depth to Baxter though.

But I've missed almost all of this season so I'm trying to piece together whats happened.

[Spitfire]

I saw it today and it was a little disgusting but not too over the top. Added a lot of depth to Baxter though.
Disgusting? No way
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/194/yummy6cc.gif

[shuriken]

I just saw it. It was pretty good. I do have to agree with Turtle_in_the_Shell that the finger thing was gross though. Poor bastard was falling apart worse than Micheal Jackson in that episode.

[Sliced]

:roll: That's not disgusting, in fact its looking like something I saw they were serving in hospitals. A ''good for you'' kinda meal. Peas cream or something, you just wanna eat it all... Mmm... pea cream http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/140.gif

The Exorcist anybody...

[zkarlette]

not to forget the discusting arm floating around in the water or whatever that was...:dead:

[Jester]

http://www.stimme.de/storage/pic/eigenebilder/verschiedenes/417683_michael-jackson_4.gif
That's ignorant...just ignorant...
*picks up noes*

[Buslady]

That was a good eppie....can't say where I saw it cause of forum rules.

[Buslady]

http://www.stimme.de/storage/pic/eigenebilder/verschiedenes/417683_michael-jackson_4.gif
That's ignorant...just ignorant...
*picks up noes*


*Screams and runs in sheer terror and the Michael Monster!!!!!!!!!!!*

It's gross how he did that to himself, he used to be cute way back in the early 80s...now he's a freak.
Hey, I resenble that remark.
No really, he's a REAL freak...not you Raph.
Oh. What freaking ever....


Yes I am insane, I have conversations with my alter ego...