Now we know...or do we?

[Katie]

LONDON, England -- It's a question that has baffled scientists, academics and pub bores through the ages: What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Now a team made up of a geneticist, philosopher and chicken farmer claim to have found an answer. It was the egg.

Put simply, the reason is down to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life.

Therefore the first bird that evolved into what we would call a chicken, probably in prehistoric times, must have first existed as an embryo inside an egg.

Professor John Brookfield, a specialist in evolutionary genetics at the University of Nottingham, told the UK Press Association the pecking order was clear.

The living organism inside the eggshell would have had the same DNA as the chicken it would develop into, he said.

"Therefore, the first living thing which we could say unequivocally was a member of the species would be this first egg," he added. "So, I would conclude that the egg came first."

The same conclusion was reached by his fellow "eggsperts" Professor David Papineau, of King's College London, and poultry farmer Charles Bourns.

Mr Papineau, an expert in the philosophy of science, agreed that the first chicken came from an egg and that proves there were chicken eggs before chickens.

He told PA people were mistaken if they argued that the mutant egg belonged to the "non-chicken" bird parents.

"I would argue it is a chicken egg if it has a chicken in it," he said.

"If a kangaroo laid an egg from which an ostrich hatched, that would surely be an ostrich egg, not a kangaroo egg."

Bourns, chairman of trade body Great British Chicken, said he was also firmly in the pro-egg camp.

He said: "Eggs were around long before the first chicken arrived. Of course, they may not have been chicken eggs as we see them today, but they were eggs."

The debate, which may come as a relief to those with argumentative relatives, was organized by Disney to promote the release of the film "Chicken Little" on DVD.

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Takes marketing to a new level.

so....what do you guys think? are these scientists loony? Which came first?

[iris]

MYSTERY SOLVED! :D

(Actually, I remember my poultry science chums coming up with this exact explanation over beer one night in a pub. Why didn't THAT make the news?)

"If a kangaroo laid an egg from which an ostrich hatched, that would surely be an ostrich egg, not a kangaroo egg."
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Jo Dawn]

So uh... What sat on the egg to HATCH it?

I actually disagree. I think the chicken came first.

[iris]

Why's that, Jo Dawn?

[Raph's Girl]

So uh... What sat on the egg to HATCH it?

Who sat on the egg is the ancestor of the modern chicken. So therefore the egg came first.

And ya know what..I've been saying that for years... something had to have evolved into the chicken so it was the egg that came first. :P

[iris]

From my point of view as a know-it-all, who, needless to say, knows everything about chickens, eggs, and their chronological relationship (and who knows that one need not say something that is needless to say, but also that "needless to say" is used as a rhetorical excuse to state the obvious and sound smart), I maintain that the chicken is, in fact, the same as the egg. Therefore the question is moot, and we can all move on. I will now laugh at the countless intelligent life forms who have pondered upon this question throughout the ages. Ha ha.

[Jester]

This could get into really shakey situations. I as a creationist say that the Chicken came first due to the fact that everything, man, woman, dog, tree, even the planet was created with age. Some one ascribing to evolution would say the egg, because it evolved from a smaller single cell to a more complex a organism that eventually laid eggs which contained a remenent of a pst evolutionary step. It's a slippery slop, if not handled with care.

[Ryona]

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Does it matter?

[Katie]

Does it matter?


I suppose not...Ijust thought it would give us something interesting to debate that was less polarizing than a turtle thing

[Ryona]

I'm not complaining about the topic. I just personaly am not concern with which came first. But that's just me.

In any case, it's still tricky to answer considering that evolution is such a slow process, how can we judge when I dinosaur is no longer a dinosaur and has become a chicken? It's not like a dinosaur lays an egg and out comes a chicken.
When the creature is not really much of a dinosaur anymore, but not really a chicken yet, what do you call it?

See, the question can't be answered because transitioning from one thing to another is gradual. Not instant.

[Raph's Girl]

When the creature is not really much of a dinosaur anymore, but not really a chicken yet, what do you call it?

Well.. Chickens evolved from the Asian Junglefowl which is still around to this day...

Soo... ancestry of chicken goes single celled organism - amphibious creature - T.Rex - Gallus Gallus (Asian Junglefowl) - Chicken

[Ra]

Chickens? Eggs? Please, don't make me laugh.

It was Dorathy the Dinosaur who came first, and you all know it :P

Seriously, chickens are chickens, eggs are eggs, and eggs have been around a long time before chickens evolved. So...yeah, I'm putting my money on the egg ^_^;

[iris]

Eggs were not around before chickens. But neither were chickens around before eggs. But pods were around before peas, just to be clear.

[Dr. Doom]

Eggs were around before chicken, in my opinion. If you follow evolution, then there were reptiles if not fish or other aquatic creatures that everything else evolved from that were laying eggs bazillions of years before the first chicken showed up.

[iris]

This question applies specifically to chicken eggs.

/serious

[Space Lieutenant Josh]

I prefer not to think about which one came first. However, I love the taste of either one, and sometimes fantasize about eating either chicken or eggs in massive quantities.

I would rather not eat both at once, though. I've been there and... well... it could've been a better experience.

[iris]

Chicken balut.
If you don't know, you don't want to know. --official slogan

Now don't think about that. Just look at the cute chickies.
http://homepages.wmich.edu/~m0chick/baby%20chicks.jpg

[Storm Wolf]

I'm not complaining about the topic. I just personaly am not concern with which came first. But that's just me.

In any case, it's still tricky to answer considering that evolution is such a slow process, how can we judge when I dinosaur is no longer a dinosaur and has become a chicken? It's not like a dinosaur lays an egg and out comes a chicken.

See, the question can't be answered because transitioning from one thing to another is gradual. Not instant.

I totally agree, Ryo! You know what....I couldn't have said it better myself either.
I don't think this answer can ever truly be answered because the process of becoming a "chicken" takes thousands of years.

But....when I think of it...I guess the egg would come first... *shrugs*

How long has the chicken....well...been a chicken?

[Raph's Girl]

How long has the chicken....well...been a chicken?

The chicken evolved from the Asian Wildfowl about 5000 years ago

[OA]

Heres the way i see it.

Eggs have been around for a LONG time, long before what we call chickens came about. Now, through the slow process of evolution, chicken-like animals began to appear and began laying eggs that hatched into (again over long periods of time) even more modernly chicken-like animals. Eventually, though, out pops what we consider to be a modern chicken, which then proceeds to lay eggs, etc. etc....so you see, the modern chicken came first, out of non-modern chicken eggs. (it was just a slip of genes (mutations) in the non-chicken egg that created our beloved chicken)

[KROW]

Who sat on the egg is the ancestor of the modern chicken. So therefore the egg came first.
But wouldn't that mean that the chicken came first? Sure, it's the chicken's ancestor, but it was still a chicken. Hmm...

Chicken, egg, I know which really came first: The rooster.

[Ryona]

Chicken, egg, I know which really came first: The rooster.

OMG! You did NOT just go there! :lol:

[OA]

Chicken, egg, I know which really came first: The rooster.

terrible...just terrible...:lol: :lol:

[donnie'zfan]

Eggs were around before chicken, in my opinion. If you follow evolution, then there were reptiles if not fish or other aquatic creatures that everything else evolved from that were laying eggs bazillions of years before the first chicken showed up.


I disagree I don't believe in evolution, I believe in intelligent Design, I know that God is real because I heard Him talk to my brother once,and I've heard demons scream before, I think the Chicken came first before the egg because it's written in the bible.

[KROW]

I disagree I don't believe in evolution, I believe in intelligent Design, I know that God is real because I heard Him talk to my brother once,and I've heard demons scream before, I think the Chicken came first before the egg because it's written in the bible.
So you're saying that we're all descendants of Adam and Eve and we're all cousins, right?

*plays banjo*

[Sewer Bull]

I know that God is real because I heard Him talk to my brother once,and I've heard demons scream before,

Oh... and what did he tell your brother? What were the demons screaming about?

[Peanut]

OK. Leave that dudes comment alone. It's just going to cause trouble and you all know it.

Anyways, I personally think these guys should be studying something more important. It makes me sad to know someone had to pay for this kind of research.

[Krang]

OK. Leave that dudes comment alone. It's just going to cause trouble and you all know it.
Exactly. All members here are welcome to follow whichever religion and political party they want, so I don't want to see anyone criticizing, mocking, or ridiculing anyone else's personal beliefs. Those who do risk getting warned or having their posting priviliges removed in the Current Events section.

[donnie'zfan]

Oh... and what did he tell your brother? What were the demons screaming about?


He called My brothers name twice and told My brother to let Him help him, but the demon story was like four or five years later,one night before I fell a sleep I prayed but then I woke up from a nightmare so I prayed again but then I woke up from the same nightmare again it happened three times but the third time I heard someone saying go down in My dream the third time I woke up I heard a scream I've never heard before I can't exactly describe it, it was strange so I called my sisters name (cause we shared the same room but she was not in her bed) and she did not answer so I got up and saw that the batheroom light was on so I thoght it was just her and it was just a bad dream so I prayed again and fell a sleep, and then when it was morning I heard My sister say to My mom I heard demons screaming naer our beds saying go down so I binded it in the name of Jesus and they started yelling at me trying to stay so I kept binding them until they started to leave and while they were leaving they kept screaming, And it was then that I knew why I heard that scream.

and yes we are all descendants of Adam and Eve.