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Raph's Girl
05-30-2006, 05:14 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/28/arts/28gustines.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

X-RAY vision. Teleportation. Shape-shifting. Flight. The special abilities of superheroes are certainly diverse. But historically the faces behind the masks have been much less so. Out of costume the biggest difference was black hair or blond. Green skin was more common than any shade of brown. And on the rare occasion when nonwhite heroes were included, names like Black Panther and Black Lightning telegraphed the difference.

But this year will be a banner one for diversity in the $500 million comic book business. At DC Comics, an effort is under way to introduce heroes who are not cut from the usual straight white male supercloth. A mix of new concepts, dusted-off code names and existing characters, the new heroes include Blue Beetle, a Mexican teenager powered by a mystical scarab; Batwoman, a lesbian socialite by night and a crime fighter by later in the night; and the Great Ten, a government-sponsored Chinese team.

Over at Marvel Comics, Black Panther, king of the fictional African nation of Wakanda, will soon marry Storm, the weather-controlling mutant and X-Man. Luke Cage, a strong-as-steel black street fighter who married his white girlfriend in April, plays a key role in "New Avengers," the company's best-selling book.

Comic books have featured minorities before, but the latest push is intended to be a sustained one, taking place in an alternate world that nevertheless reflects American society in general and comics readers in particular, in much the same way that the multicultural casts of television shows like ABC's "Lost" and "Grey's Anatomy" mirror their audiences. "I'm glad we're at the point when they're being rolled out without flourish — not 'Minority Heroes Attack!,' " said Judd Winick, who has written many comics for both Marvel and DC. "It's important just to see them as characters and not a story line about race."

Credit is due in part to diversity behind the scenes. Reginald Hudlin, Black Entertainment Television's president for entertainment, is writing the Black Panther series. Joe Quesada is editor in chief at Marvel, the first Hispanic to have that job.

"I do look at the universe with a different set of eyes," Mr. Quesada said, "but I don't let race enter or interfere with the story. There's nothing worse than thinking, 'We need three more black characters in the Marvel universe.' "

In the DC universe, many of the heroes are closely tied to "52," an ambitious, yearlong series, published weekly, that began this month. With the established heroes Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman mainly offstage trying to find themselves after a strained alliance in "Infinite Crisis," the events of "52" force the new heroes into bigger roles.

"We're trying a lot at the same time," said Dan DiDio, DC's vice president and executive editor, "but we don't know how it's going to be accepted."

The concern is understandable given DC's uneven history with introducing minority characters en masse. In 1988 it published "The New Guardians," about a super-powered team that included an aboriginal girl, an Eskimo man and Extrano, an H.I.V.-positive gay man who wanted to be called Auntie, who was dismissed online by a fan as a "limp-wristed caricature."

In 1993 DC printed and distributed the work of Milestone Media, an African-American-owned company specializing in comics with black, Asian, Hispanic and gay heroes. Some of the titles ran for nearly four years, but all ceased publication during a volatile time in the comic industry. One character, a black teenager with electrical powers, found greater success in the animated series "Static Shock."

In 2000 another batch of international heroes — from Turkey, India, Japan, Argentina and elsewhere — were introduced under the "Planet DC" banner. These champions of justice have had few adventures since.

This time around the writers and editors are taking pains to avoid that fate. Mindful that readers can be especially resistant to new faces, the creators are carefully orchestrating introductions and linking unfamiliar characters to "legacy" heroes.

The previous Blue Beetle, who was white, was murdered last year in a hot-selling story that paved the way for the new Blue Beetle, a k a Jaime Reyes, a Mexican-American teenager in El Paso. Fans of the old Blue Beetle posted online messages decrying his death and griping about DC's new, generally more somber direction. But comics devotees are notorious for buying titles out of loyalty, whether from completist compulsion or from a need to be able to complain about what they don't like, and DC knows it. "It's hard to introduce any new hero," Mr. DiDio admitted. But, he said, if using familiar names "gives us a leg up so they're more readily accepted, I think that's the way to go."

Here is an image of Gay Batwoman (Kathy Kane).
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/52/BatwomanColor_t.jpg

Here is also more info on her:
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72016
And The Great 10:
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/52/GreatTen/gallery.html

Space Lieutenant Josh
05-30-2006, 10:10 PM
Diversity is great and everything but an actual real backstory and a deep, fully dimensional personality to make a diverse character interesting would be fun, too.

Anarky
05-30-2006, 10:51 PM
Wow, another character that can say "I'm gay! Accept it!!!" every other panel, like the guy from Manhunter. I am not impressed. And why is it such a big deal if Kathy's a jewish black lesbian or a blonde catholic schoolgirl? As long as they're well-written, they're both equally enjoyable. And anyways, makes being a lesbian a better crime fighter out of Kathy? I do have my doubts about that. Besides, let's all guess who her first love interest is.

I think this behaviour is both pathetic and idiotic.

Raph's Girl
05-30-2006, 11:16 PM
Besides, let's all guess who her first love interest is.

According to the article at Newsarama...she's has a past with both Bruce Wayne and Renee Montoya.

Now as for her past with Bruce Wayne...well no fricken duh...Kathy Kane and her niece, Betty, were Batwoman and Batgirl like 30/40 years ago... :P Betty was Dick Greyson's first love interest and Kathy Kane was Bruce's.

Space Lieutenant Josh
05-30-2006, 11:19 PM
The fact that no lesbian writers are on staff really makes me wonder where the author/character empathy will come from.

Also, I do like the new Blue Beetle book for the most part (but I still wish they'd realize that people wanted a Ted book for 20 years). The staff once again is all white, of course. I've seen more complaints about that from Hispanic fans on message boards than praise for Giffen and Hammer.

Showing these special minority characters in roles white characters and straight characters once filled doesn't say too much for their originality either, hate to say it. I'm not saying I want to see Apache Chief, Black Vulcan and El Dorado again (or those awful New Guardians), but there've been plenty of original characters that have done well in the Modern Age of comics-- Booster Gold, Venom, Punisher... all it takes is originality-- not dropping a lesbian into Batwoman's clothes-- or turning a 50s character lesbian because Superboy Prime punched a wall, or because it's a New Earth.

Originality is the key word here and it's something you can't get nearly as easily with legacy characters (I'll admit that Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Ted Kord, and plenty of other Green Lanterns besides Hal-- namely Guy, since he's my absolute favorite-- have been decidedly original in some way or another-- even though they were all white men... imagine that!).

Dr. Doom
05-30-2006, 11:59 PM
Superboy Prime: RAR! -=Punches a wall=-

Kathy Kane: I like.....women..? O_o

Ra
05-31-2006, 12:14 AM
...Batwoman, a lesbian socialite by night and a crime fighter by later in the night...
...for some reason, Batwoman reminds me of "Strippaella", only she's a lesbian socialite instead of a stripper... o_o

Raph's Girl
05-31-2006, 02:44 AM
Superboy Prime: RAR! -=Punches a wall=-

Betty Kane: I like.....women..? O_o

It's Kathy Kane who's gay...for all we know Betty could end up being bi! :lol:

...for some reason, Batwoman reminds me of "Strippaella", only she's a lesbian socialite instead of a stripper... o_o

I loved that show!! *sings* Such a tough little girl in a world that's so unkind...

Hmm..the Stripperella theme song goes rather well with Batwoman... http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/smileys/blink.gif

Ra
06-01-2006, 04:21 AM
(o_O) Insperation, anyone? :lol:

Raph's Girl
06-01-2006, 07:35 AM
Ya know what's wierd about all this? Batwoman being gay, the 3 armed baby, and Taylor Hicks getting a record contract are the only things the local news is talking about....it's like there's nothing important going on in the world.

"Oh nose! Batwoman is gay! The 3 armed baby can move all 3 arms! Taylor Hicks is getting the new album he was promised!" :roll:

Anarky
06-01-2006, 09:06 AM
Surprise, that's nothing new. All those tearjerking stories, the utterly pointless entertainment news (Babies, deaths, marriages, divorces, new dresses, award parties...) are all useless news to us. They don't tell us the important stuff, because they think that we couldn't handle it or that we could actually go and ask questions, which is not the way they think is right for us. We should just shut up, be oversatisfied with information overkill and live our lives as dumb as possible. That's how the media works. And that's how there can be people who dare to say "Politics is none of my business." despite them being governed and ordered around all day long... this is reality and not the death of Ernie Smith, who was the second guy from the left in Casablanca or the birth of Shiloh Nouvel Jolie Pitt in Namibia. It's all disinformation, they are keeping us stupid.

But thinking about Batwoman again and my hatred against any gay/raped character in comic books (is it just me or does ever female character need to be raped at least once so that she can have her own tragic past (TM)?) There is one gay couple in comic books that I like. It's the Young Avengers' Wiccan and Hulkling. They're awesome. It's not like they have to say "We're gay, accept us!" in every panel they appear, but they are gay. You see them holding hands every now and then but that's it. No mentionning of gay slogans, no placative scenes where they talk about being gay (unlike the idiot in Manhunter) and no Pro/Anti-gay stuff. They just are gay. End of story. No big deal. I hope they handle Batwoman the way they handle Hulkling and Wiccan and maybe Gotham's new cop who I haven't heard of enough to make a final judgement or remember her name.

Space Lieutenant Josh
06-01-2006, 10:40 AM
They'll probably handle Batwoman the same way they do Montoya-- there'll be a lot of her doing her thing-- fighting crime-- and even more of her naked in bed with other naked lesbians.

Which, I don't exactly want to complain about that... but I also find it to be kind of ignorant in a way. Yeah, I'm conflicted there.

ZariusTwo
06-01-2006, 12:49 PM
Not that shocked by it, find it quite laughable that every comic strip lesbian character is stereotyped to enjoy a good tounge lashing in a Detroit motel with a police officer

Dr. Doom
06-01-2006, 12:58 PM
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a lesbian who didn't enjoy a GOOD tongue lashing, regardless of the location.