Marvel Movie Missteps

[Jester]

Ok, so here's a thread that I thought up while chatting with our recently bi-millennial posting Doc Doom. What about specific Marvel movies don't you like? Is it the fact that Peter Parker has organic webbing? Is it the fact that the plot of Hulk was so convoluted you have to be half stoned to get it? Is it that Kingpin was played by Michael Clark Duncan? What about casting? Who should have played Doom? MJ? Daredevil? Well here's the thread...so let's go!

[The Stryker]

Spider-man was boring as hell.

[FireFly]

movie Elektra nuff said

[Jester]

Ok...I'll join the short posts and say "WTH! Howard teh Duck!"

[VaughnMichael]

I'd really like to see a Deadpool movie!:evilgrin:

[Dr. Doom]

Yes! We need that very badly. As a species.

[ZariusTwo]

Cutting all the good parts of Daredevil out of the theatrical cut that gave the story some meaning.

[Anarky]

Is it the fact that Peter Parker has organic webbing?
Fine with me. Infact, it's removed one of the lamest plot devices from the stories. "Hah, I have you now, Goblin!... Oh no, no more webbing!!!" - "Run, Spider-Man, run!"
Is it the fact that the plot of Hulk was so convoluted you have to be half stoned to get it? Meh, it wasn't too bad. Sure, it is indeed kinda dumb, but the Lou Ferrigno cameo saved a lot about the movie.
Is it that Kingpin was played by Michael Clark Duncan?What the heck? MCD was an awesome Kingpin! What about casting? Who should have played Doom? MJ? Daredevil?
I feel Elektra and Daredevil were miscast. I don't really care for Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck would have actually looked the part of Matt Murdock, the problem was that he's too famous for a role like that. The rest is fine. Sure, Nip/Tuck Doom is something to get used to, but he didn't do a bad job. Besides, we don't really know what Doom looks like without his mask these days.

[Barkworm]

I didn't like/hated/ felt disgusted by:

- Kirsten Dunst as MJ
- the fact that Pete takes off his mask every two minutes in Spider-Man 2
- some extremely cheesy dialogue in Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2
- the Goblin's costume
- almost everything about "Hulk" (acting, plot, special effects, dialogue etc etc.)
- most of X-Men
- Juggernaut in X-Men 3
- Matt Murdock vs. Elektra
- Colin Farrell as Bullseye (I like Farrell but not as Bullseye)
- Jennifer Garner (not limited to Daredevil)

[ZariusTwo]

I didn't like/hated/ felt disgusted by:

- Kirsten Dunst as MJ
- the fact that Pete takes off his mask every two minutes in Spider-Man 2
- some extremely cheesy dialogue in Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2l)


It's a comic movie. Not every one of them is going to Timm's Batman or Batman Begins, and I prefer it that way

[GK Punk]

I loved the two Spider-Man movies. I don't think I have any complaints about them.

[Raph's Girl]

Is it the fact that Peter Parker has organic webbing?


He has organic webbing in the comics so why should I care that he has it in the movies?


Is it the fact that the plot of Hulk was so convoluted you have to be half stoned to get it?


Funniest part was Hulk hopping across Southern Utah. Not so funny: Hulk destroying the natural wonders of Southern Utah. :P


Is it that Kingpin was played by Michael Clark Duncan?


Ok that was just bad casting there...unless it was set in the Ultimate-verse? In the Ultimate-verse even Nick Fury is black. :roll:


What about casting? Who should have played Doom? MJ? Daredevil? Well here's the thread...so let's go!

Meh I actually liked the Daredevil movie. I've never seen Fantastic Four but I liked both Spider-man movies. I mean yea sure like some 50+ people have seen Peter's face under the mask. Are they gonna tell? Well..they DID promise him. :P

As for Juggernaut. I think they were going with Ultimate-verse Juggy. I like him as a good guy tho in 616.

IMO tho the best Comic book film in the last couple years is most definatly Batman Begins. :evilgrin:

[Dr. Doom]

Doom in the movie just doesn't have the presence you'd expect from Doom, that's my problem.

Again, I haven't seen the movie, but I haven't encountered anything about it that makes me think otherwise.

[KROW]

He has organic webbing in the comics so why should I care that he has it in the movies?

Ok that was just bad casting there...unless it was set in the Ultimate-verse? In the Ultimate-verse even Nick Fury is black. :roll:

As for Juggernaut. I think they were going with Ultimate-verse Juggy. I like him as a good guy tho in 616.

IMO tho the best Comic book film in the last couple years is most definatly Batman Begins. :evilgrin:
You do realize that the Ultimate-verse is not the core Marvel Universe, right?

Peter has organic webbing now because of that Evolution story; for 60 years prior to that, it was all mechanical webshooters from his own mind. One of the reasons that a lot of fans clamoured for the webshooters in the films was because it showed Peter's scientific prowess, and also gave him a weakness whenever he ran out of cartridges. It made him more human than superhuman.

My only beef with Juggernaut is that he didn't consider Xavier in any way in the movie. Also, he's not a mutant. He was jealous of Xavier's powers. That alone is why he became a villain; that was his drive. The Gem of Cytorakk became a great catalyst for that.

Also, despite how good Batman Begins was, the best comic book film in my mind is The Crow, next to Sin City.

[Mecha Cow]

Things I didn't like:

Spider-Man(2):
-Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst; Maguire has zero charisma and Dunst is just annoying
-Both movies being really corny at times (Don't do the 'But it's based on a comic book' thing, just don't)
-Power Ranger Goblin and Raptor-Tentacle Ock
Both movies are good for what they are, just not my cup of tea.

DareDevil:
-Everything. What a trainwreck.

Fantastic Four:
-Loser Doom
-Loser Doom's voice
-Loser Doom's frickin' metal wang at the end
The entire movie was pretty crappy, but I liked it anyway.

XMen 3:
-Yeah, pretty much everything except Beast, sad to say.

XMen 1, 2, Hulk and The Punisher are all far from perfect, but they're solid and I like them.

[Brodie]

I hate the Spider-Flicks, and a bunch of you ****s on this board gave me guff for saying what was wrong with those movies, but its funny that theyre being said here, like I didn't say what you all said YEARS ago.
And I'm sorry, people have been bitching about Venom possibly being in the movie since SM2 came out, and saying he wouldn't be. And anyone who wanted him was an idiot, or clearly didnt read the comics. ******** on that, my friends, I ****ing adore Venom, I read comics almost religiously. I think if anyone can do it, Raimi can do venom justice. I also think Topher Grace will be good as Venom, hell he can't be worse than McGuire as Spider-Man (AGAIN, I've stated that since the beginning!). And all these people who bitched about Venom are like "OMG, Venom is announced, so coooool." **** you, pals.

Anyway.

X-Movies, pretty good, 3 had some issues, but what the hell ever, I enjoyed it. More than I can say about stupid Elektra/Catwoman/other ****** comic movies I haven't seen.

Director's Cut of DD makes sense, hopefully the film companies let Johnson make sense of Ghost Rider and not edit the **** out of it.

Punisher was perfect, aside from ****tard Travolta. He hasn't done anything good since Look Who's Talking.

[ZariusTwo]

Both movies being really corny at times (Don't do the 'But it's based on a comic book' thing, just don't)

Because it automatically makes your justifications null and void and permits those movie's fans to have more fun than you?

Right

And whilst a pile of overrated s*it like Venom is being placed in a film Rami never wanted him in, the only good thing to come out of it was that Sam convinced the studio to give him Gwen Stacy in exchange for binging Venom, which of course makes the true Spidey fans much happier.

[Jester]

Fine with me. Infact, it's removed one of the lamest plot devices from the stories. "Hah, I have you now, Goblin!... Oh no, no more webbing!!!" - "Run, Spider-Man, run!"
Meh, it wasn't too bad. Sure, it is indeed kinda dumb, but the Lou Ferrigno cameo saved a lot about the movie.
What the heck? MCD was an awesome Kingpin!
I feel Elektra and Daredevil were miscast. I don't really care for Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck would have actually looked the part of Matt Murdock, the problem was that he's too famous for a role like that. The rest is fine. Sure, Nip/Tuck Doom is something to get used to, but he didn't do a bad job. Besides, we don't really know what Doom looks like without his mask these days.

Those are just common gripes...I actually love MCD. I mane who else is such a shere mound of muscle and could pull it off?

And back to organic webbing, I agree with Krow, it was something Peter developed, that's what made the synthetic webbing and shooters cool. What's going to make the Venom symbiote so special if Peter already has organic webbing?

[Barkworm]

Because it automatically makes your justifications null [...]?
The mere fact that it's a comic book movie justifies the cheesiness? That's pretty deep.

[Peanut]

the only good thing to come out of it was that Sam convinced the studio to give him Gwen Stacy in exchange for binging Venom, which of course makes the true Spidey fans much happier.

Riiight. I've been reading Spider-Man comics since I was 4 (or rather looking at the pictures at that age), but because I'd rather see Venom and not see Gwen Stacy at all, I'm not a true Spidey fan? Your logic FLOORS me.

[Mecha Cow]

Because it automatically makes your justifications null and void and permits those movie's fans to have more fun than you?
What the f*ck, dude? Did I not just say the movies are good in their own right? I'm sure it was a very consious choice on the director's part, and I'm sure some people love it, but I don't. Get over it.

I know it's your whole gimmick, but you really need to stop being such a nazi over sh*t like this.

[Ecto Jedi]

I was virtually indifferent to the original Spider-Man film; I didn't feel passionately about it either way. Kind of like celery.

Spider Man 2, though, totally pissed me off. I simply hated the way it totally wasted a perfectly good villain in favour of an overdrawn, boring, totally uninspired love story. I mean, for Pete's sake, it's supposed to be an action movie, not a chick flick with special effects. Total disappointment.


I know it's your whole gimmick, but you really need to stop being such a nazi over sh*t like this.

Dude, chill out. I doubt calling people nazis is in sync with the forum rules, now is it?

[Anarky]

Dude, chill out. I doubt calling people nazis is in sync with the forum rules, now is it?
Yeah well... not really. Thing is, generally insulting people is not allowed and Nazi's kind of an insult, depending on one's view of things. So please don't call people that as long as you know it's not true.

Thank you.

[Dr. Doom]

Yeah, I mean, Zarius is a deuchebag to EVERYone.

[Anarky]

Ladies, gentlemen, if you'd please stop insulting members in here... because if you don't, I'll see myself forced to lock this fine thread.

So, I'll have to ask you one last time to cease all malicious comments and continue to discuss the missteps of the Marvel movies.

Thank you.

[Mecha Cow]

It wasn't meant as an insult, just a way of describing how he keeps forcing his opinions on others. Whatever, carry on.

[Dr. Doom]

-=Derogatory comment towards Anarky=-

[Raph's Girl]

I think the lamest thing about Spider-man 2 is that when Peter lost his powers they suddenly decided to play "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head".....as I watched this film I kept on looking for at least one Robert Redford cameo or even Paul Newman....I mean come on..when I hear that song I don't picture Spiderman...I think of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid! :roll:

[ZariusTwo]

It wasn't meant as an insult, just a way of describing how he keeps forcing his opinions on others. Whatever, carry on.


When people try to take shots at me rather than defend thier stance on the movies, I press the good ol' ignore. Nice try though.

Kill babies.

Now I'm forcing a command on you.:)

Yeah, I mean, Zarius is a deuchebag to EVERYone.

God bless us. Everyone.

[Brodie]

How can you not like it when stuff like this happens. The dude (Zarius) gets **** on for how oppinionated he is, and how stern he is with it, and he doesn't even overreact.

And DOom spelled duche like this: Dueche.

[Kid Icarus]

Marvel Movie Missteps hm...

Here's one.

The ENTIRE X3 movie. The whole damn thing. All of it. The script, the movie, the acting, the settings, the character development (or lack there of).

[Mecha Cow]

When people try to take shots at me rather than defend thier stance on the movies, I press the good ol' ignore. Nice try though.

I did not elaborate because I wanted to avoid having to argue about this, but I guess it's too late for that now. My point was that you can't justify a movie's cheesiness (Which again, I'm sure some people enjoy) by saying 'it's just a comic book movie'. With that excuse, you can't take anything seriously because it's 'just a [...]'. It's not a stance, it's an opinion, which is what this entire thread is about. Now let's drop this.

As for that 'shot' I 'took at you'...Feel feel to prove me wrong.

[KROW]

Marvel Movie Missteps hm...

Here's one.

The ENTIRE X3 movie. The whole damn thing. All of it. The script, the movie, the acting, the settings, the character development (or lack there of).
And on that note, I bring up the Captain America film and the Punisher movie of the '80s.

And DOom spelled duche like this: Dueche.
Actually, it's spelled "douche." But hey, when talking about proper spelling of something that cleans the anus, there should be alcohol involved.