Old toon Saki or new toon Saki? [Archive]

Bad Guys Lover

09-27-2006, 09:51 AM

Which one :shredder: do you like best and why?
I like them both, but I think it`s the old toon Saki I like best. :) Maybe it`s because I like the whole old TMNT show and all. ;) And maybe it`s because I find the old Saki so damn sexy! :D I think he`s one of the hottest cartoon villains ever! I like his sense of humor in the old show. It sometimes seems like he`s not truly all that evil. He`d seemed more like a spoilt, misunderstood (bad) boy. But I still like him. :D
As for new Saki, I find him sexy as well, and he`s much more evil. I dare to say he`s much more convincing as an evil mastermind and Turtles` arch-enemy. But he`s an UTROM :cry: and I can`t have an Utrom...:cry: :x
Post your comments, please!

SHREDDER AND KRANG RULE!:shredder: :kgrin:

Masked Ninja

09-27-2006, 10:11 AM

For me, each Shredder/Saki has a major flaw that bugs me to death. Old toon Shredder is funny, but often crossed the "Oh. you've gotta be KIDDING me" line with stupidity. I know the show was supposed to be funny and I can work with that... but I like villains I can take seriously. Though I rediscovered Cowabunga Shredhead last night (the only episode I have clear childhood memories of) and he was being pretty flippin' hilarious as "Michaelangelo."

Which is why I think I prefer the new toon Shredder, but only by a little bit. If only he were human... I originally hated the Utrom Shredder idea, but they worked that concept into the NT storyline so well I can accept it as part of that continuity. But then again, if I'd been making the show I'd probably want more Earth battles and less sci-fi in addition to a human Shredder. It makes the concept feel a little more realistic (as it were) and a little less "woo scifi!"

Spitfire

09-27-2006, 11:47 AM

The real true Shredder in the new series*Not the Uthrom one* is just plain bad ass. So he wins but if I were choosing between the Uthrom Shredder and Old Toon Shredder...well Old Toon wins. I grew up with his cruelity and comdey.

Sewer Bull

09-27-2006, 12:12 PM

The New Shredder with the Old one's origins.

VaughnMichael

09-27-2006, 12:42 PM

well I think this is a bit early to do something like this since we really haven't gotten to see the real Saki from the new toon we've seen a fake one played by cher'ell (sp).
Either way though I think I'm still gonna have to go with old 80's toon shredder.

gobo

09-27-2006, 01:19 PM

It makes the concept feel a little more realistic (as it were) and a little less "woo scifi!"
Realistic? :blanksta:

[internal trialog time!]
gobo's superego: .oO(Don't do it. You'll only make an @ss of yourself.)
gobo's ego: .oO(Shut-up, voice in my head! Do you expect TMNT to be realistic?)
gobo's superego: .oO(No. But, I wouldn't want to be heckled for it either.)
gobo's ego: .oO(Why do you always have to assume I'm the bad guy? That's id's role!)
gobo's id: .oO(Quit your whining! If you listened to me for once, maybe you'd get laid.)
gobo's ego: .oO(That is the guy who has no conscience.)
gobo's superego: .oO(That's because I am the conscience.)
gobo's ego: .oO(Well, aren't you special?)
gobo's superego: .oO(I'm not allowed to say. That would go against my vow of modesty.)
gobo's ego: .oO(...I hate you...)
gobo's id: .oO(Woohoo! Now let's go chase some skirts!)
gobo's ego: .oO(And, who said you could talk? Friggin' John Belushi wannabe...)
[end of internal trialog]

So, uh, you aren't suggesting that the new show is harder to believe than the old one, are you? Or, are you just saying that you don't care for the show to remind you of a stereotypical sci-fi? If it's the latter, I agree. But, there are enough other themes involved that we can choose from (thank goodness). I liked the Utrom Shredder idea. I still don't see why it was such a big deal. :-?

Drtooth

09-27-2006, 01:51 PM

ORIGINAL COMIC SHREDDER!!!

Personally, I love both. Old toon Shredder's constant power struggles with Krang, and heaping his abuse on human Baxter, and having to put up with Bebop and Rocksteady...

But the New toon one is much, much more threatening, and muscular (The old toon one looked like a wuss... the action figure of him looked PA-THE-TIC!) And I like how it's become a title and was passed to Karai.

As long as it isn't movie 2 Giant video game boss type shredder...

Masked Ninja

09-27-2006, 07:07 PM

Sewer Bull

09-28-2006, 02:05 AM

[internal trialog time!]
gobo's superego: .oO(Don't do it. You'll only make an @ss of yourself.)
gobo's ego: .oO(Shut-up, voice in my head! Do you expect TMNT to be realistic?)
gobo's superego: .oO(No. But, I wouldn't want to be heckled for it either.)
gobo's ego: .oO(Why do you always have to assume I'm the bad guy? That's id's role!)
gobo's id: .oO(Quit your whining! If you listened to me for once, maybe you'd get laid.)
gobo's ego: .oO(That is the guy who has no conscience.)
gobo's superego: .oO(That's because I am the conscience.)
gobo's ego: .oO(Well, aren't you special?)
gobo's superego: .oO(I'm not allowed to say. That would go against my vow of modesty.)
gobo's ego: .oO(...I hate you...)
gobo's id: .oO(Woohoo! Now let's go chase some skirts!)
gobo's ego: .oO(And, who said you could talk? Friggin' John Belushi wannabe...)
[end of internal trialog]

:blanksta:

You're amusing, dude.

gobo

09-28-2006, 09:50 AM

Heh. I'm aware the term "realistic" is very tongue-in-cheek when it comes to TMNT. But you understand what I mean - all the spaceships and aliens and whatnot make it harder for me to suspend disbelief than if it were just products of a freak accident (namely the TMNT) fighting average stuff in a psuedo-real world. Sure, the mutation is dodgy, but if that's only one item on a shortish list of unrealistic things... it feels more like it could really happen. I dunno. I like it that way.

Oh. I get ya' now. Just TOO MUCH sci-fi... It was either add bunches of sci-fi weirdness or be repetitious. But, I can see that they kinda' went overboard.

And ARGH I can't wait for the Lost Season DVD! Those of you who've seen the True Shredder stuff make me even more anxious for it... *fidgets*

I think that's the overboardity I mentioned. I wish I had waited until the DVD comes out so I could see all 13 eps for the first time in one sitting. That would have made it feel better paced, but since I knew I would read all the spoilers and whatnot... It would just have made the concept feel a little more believable and a little less "woo magicdemonsuperturtlesletsfind allsevenTurtleBalls!" :D Someone else can tell the dirty joke I detected in there. :embarass:

:blanksta:

You're amusing, dude.

Sarcasm or mixed feelings? O_o

Jo Dawn

09-28-2006, 10:05 AM

Sage Ninja

09-28-2006, 02:36 PM

old toon. hands down.

Shredder from the old toon was a mixture of ego, humour, and genuiane lethal intent. There is no doubt in my mind that old toon Shredder was evil and capiable of cruelity. Because he did it in just about every episode of the series. Just because he had a high failure rate at most of his plans doesn't mean the evil he was doing was any less--er, evil. Most of the time he failed because he was eighther to egotistcal and got full of him self or the people that he was subject to be around (Rocksteady and Bebop) screwed him up.

I liked that he had a sence of humour, it took the edge off his evil and egotisical side, and actually gave him a personality. His humour made it so that he wasn't such an asshole that the audiance hated him. You actually liked Shredder because his humour smoothed off the edges of his more evil side. The last thing a cartoon wants is for the fans to hate their villan so badly that they want him off their screen. Old toon Shredders biggest problem was that the humour aspect of his character was emphised so much that it distracted the audiance to much from the truly rotten, cruel and evil things he was doing.

I mean was what Shredder did to Baxter Stockman in the classic toon any less cruel or violent than what New toon Shredder did to Baxter Stockman? Shredder pretended Baxter was like a son to him and mutated him into a fly. New Toon Shredder told Baxter that if he screwed up he'd pay the price and mutalated him. In some ways old toon Shredder was more messed up to Baxter. Baxter Stockman in the old toon was a weak willed person who was obviusly just looking for approval, and Shredder took advantage of that and messed with his head. And Baxter from the old toon was no match against that. New toon Shredder treated Baxter like a slave but at least he didn't mess with his head and at least new toon Baxter knew where Shredder was coming from.

I could make a list of all the other evil doings old toon Shredder did, with complete leathal intent behind it.

Bad Guys Lover

09-29-2006, 04:06 AM

I could make a list of all the other evil doings old toon Shredder did, with complete leathal intent behind it.

Do it,do it!I`d like to read that;-)

gobo

09-29-2006, 05:38 AM

"woo magicdemonsuperturtlesletsfindallsevenTurtleBalls!"
Don: What happened to number eight?
Mikey: :embarass:
Leo: Mikey'd lose his head if it wasn't screwed on.
Raph: Apparently, being screwed on just ain't enough...
gobo: :shame:
[internal dialog]
gobo's ego: This is why I never listen to you.
gobo's id: :evilgrin:
gobo's ego: ...damn pervert.
[end of internal dialog]

Raphael_Fan

09-29-2006, 11:21 AM

Which one :shredder: do you like best and why?
I like them both,but I think it`s the old toon Saki I like best.:)Maybe it`s because I like the whole old TMNT show and all;)And maybe it`s because I find the old Saki so damn sexy!:D I think he`s one of the hottest cartoon vilains ever!I like his sense of humour in the old show.It sometimes seems like he`s not truly all that evil.He`d seemed more like a spoilt,misunderstood(bad)boy.But I still like him:D
As for new Saki,I find him sexy as well,and he`s much more evil.I dare to say he`s much more convincing as an evil mastermind and Turtles` arch-enemy.But,he`s an UTROM:cry:and I can`t have an Utrom...:cry: :x
Post your comments,please!

SHREDDER AND KRANG RULE!:shredder: :kgrin:

To be honest I like the old shred more than the new,Cuz the old one have sence of humor and I like that there is a Human Bad guy instead of a multi bad guy like those in spider-man for once,Shredder look better in the old on

Sage Ninja

10-02-2006, 03:12 PM

Do it,do it!I`d like to read that;-)

ok, In addtion to all the crap that he pulled in the first season, he was going to have the foot ninja kill Baxter.

In the second season He poisoned and nearly killed April.

He threw Baxter through the portal with out a care to what would happen to him.

He tried to kill Michaelangelo with a flesh disolveing mutangent, and made his brothers think he was dead.

There is more I'm sure but the point is that regardless of whether or not he succeeded or not the intention to do harm was there. Shredder might be new toon level sadistic but he wasn't exaclty a light weight.

Bad Guys Lover

10-02-2006, 04:12 PM

ZariusTwo

10-03-2006, 05:21 PM

Old school Shredder, at least with him it's just one person.

The new Shredder could give David Tennant's predeccesors a run for their money...

cowabunga14

10-03-2006, 08:24 PM

I'm going with the Old Toon version because that's how I know him. He's the Shredder I grew up with and that's a good thing. I feel Old Toon Saki brought a lot of humor to the cartoon; he was also voiced by James Avery -- my favorite voice actor for him.

Raphael_Fan

10-05-2006, 07:11 AM

ok, In addtion to all the crap that he pulled in the first season, he was going to have the foot ninja kill Baxter.

In the second season He poisoned and nearly killed April.

He threw Baxter through the portal with out a care to what would happen to him.

He tried to kill Michaelangelo with a flesh disolveing mutangent, and made his brothers think he was dead.

There is more I'm sure but the point is that regardless of whether or not he succeeded or not the intention to do harm was there. Shredder might be new toon level sadistic but he wasn't exaclty a light weight.

is this the new show???or old? They don't release much turtles epidodes in sweden but come now and then,Shredder tried kill Mikey???? I haven't seen that episode.Poor Mikey :cry:

Radical Rat

10-05-2006, 07:14 AM

I prefer the old Shredder, definately. But maybe that's just cos I saw him first?!

Raphael_Fan

10-05-2006, 07:16 AM

New. New new new new new. Hehe. I was never amused by the old one, even as a young person. I don't like 'silly'.

Even the new one, as an Utrom (though I prefer a perfectly human Shredder, I'll take the Utrom!!) was evil and... just... a mastermind. Plotting and all that. Not bumbling.

I wished that Krang was with in the new one,I miss krang he should a bad guy on his own tryin to take over the Earth by he own and they stone soldiers from Dimension x as help and Turtles trying to stop him,Just Shredder he are on his own and baxter are not really on Shredders side in the new one

Sewer Bull

10-05-2006, 07:23 AM

is this the new show???or old? They don't release much turtles epidodes in sweden but come now and then,Shredder tried kill Mikey???? I haven't seen that episode.Poor Mikey :cry:

It's the old show.

Sage Ninja

10-05-2006, 04:49 PM

is this the new show???or old? They don't release much turtles epidodes in sweden but come now and then,Shredder tried kill Mikey???? I haven't seen that episode.Poor Mikey :cry:

its the old toon. the episode I'm refering to is Michelangelo's Birthday Shredder kidnapps him and straps him down in this torture device that is filled with felsh disolving acid like goo, that was supposed to drip slowly onto his face and kill him. He escapes from it (rather easily really :roll: ) in any case a device like that is designed to give a pretty slow painful death. It would probably take about and hour to die completely, mean while your face and body is getting eaten away by acid. So yeah, Shredder was evil despite his high failure rate.

Lady Venus

10-05-2006, 05:10 PM

New Shredder will mopped the floor with the old Shredder.

Sage Ninja

10-18-2006, 11:43 AM

yeah probably, but old toon Shredder had more personality than New toon Shredder. New toon Shredder is so bad ass he is two deminicianal.

I always wanted to know more about Shredder and Splinter's past together when they where still apart of the foot clan.

ZariusTwo

10-18-2006, 01:55 PM

New Shredder will mopped the floor with the old Shredder.

Which one?

Advantage: Original Shredder

LiuKangChick

07-19-2007, 08:35 AM

I prefer OT Shredder over NT Shredder. The NT Shredder looks too cyborg-y. The OT Shredder looked hotter than Mauna Kea lava.

Scandia

07-19-2007, 09:47 AM

What's up with all these people saying Oroku Saki is sexy? You've been hanging out with Irma too much. Not just Irma Langinstein- but a girl in my class named Irma who was and still is very boy crazy. I can imagine her already lusting over Zagato from MKR, who has an outfit that reminds me of Shredder's. But Zagato is cool. And hot. And my favorite MKR character.

Anyhow, back on topic...

I prefer having Shredder being human. Granted, Oroku Saki being an utrom can be somehow worked in if he was an Utrom who took human form. Not so fond of the exosuit. But Shredder in the OT was very much a comic relief villain. Who knows what he wanted after all? Many think that he was Krang's puppet.

Mirage Shredder is gone way too quickly, but I like his backstory.

I do like the original Oroku Saki from ancient Japan story of the NT as well. But I also like Oroku Sancho from the OT.

Overall, in conclusion, I prefer having a human Oroku Saki avenging his brother but lasting quite a while.

Casual Matt

07-19-2007, 10:17 AM

I dig the newer Utrom Shredder based solely on badassery.

TheUltimateShredhead

07-19-2007, 11:32 AM

ok, In addtion to all the crap that he pulled in the first season, he was going to have the foot ninja kill Baxter.

In the second season He poisoned and nearly killed April.

He threw Baxter through the portal with out a care to what would happen to him.

He tried to kill Michaelangelo with a flesh disolveing mutangent, and made his brothers think he was dead.

There is more I'm sure but the point is that regardless of whether or not he succeeded or not the intention to do harm was there. Shredder might be new toon level sadistic but he wasn't exaclty a light weight.

Well you got a point, but i wouldn't say he's real evil if he keeps some one/something to kill hes nemesis for him. If he was trully evil he would kill them himself with hes own hands, witch in several ecations he has had the chance to do but he didn't. So i would say the things he do is mean, so it's makes him a badass, but not evil.

PipingPringle

07-19-2007, 11:41 AM

Realistic? :blanksta:

[internal trialog time!]
gobo's superego: .oO(Don't do it. You'll only make an @ss of yourself.)
gobo's ego: .oO(Shut-up, voice in my head! Do you expect TMNT to be realistic?)
gobo's superego: .oO(No. But, I wouldn't want to be heckled for it either.)
gobo's ego: .oO(Why do you always have to assume I'm the bad guy? That's id's role!)
gobo's id: .oO(Quit your whining! If you listened to me for once, maybe you'd get laid.)
gobo's ego: .oO(That is the guy who has no conscience.)
gobo's superego: .oO(That's because I am the conscience.)
gobo's ego: .oO(Well, aren't you special?)
gobo's superego: .oO(I'm not allowed to say. That would go against my vow of modesty.)
gobo's ego: .oO(...I hate you...)
gobo's id: .oO(Woohoo! Now let's go chase some skirts!)
gobo's ego: .oO(And, who said you could talk? Friggin' John Belushi wannabe...)
[end of internal trialog]

Somebody's been reading waaay to much Freud. Put down the psych text, gobo, you can do it!

TheUltimateShredhead

07-19-2007, 11:43 AM

Personally im a big fan of them both, but i like the first shredder best.
I can put my finger on why, i just like him better :P.

odupianist

07-19-2007, 02:17 PM

Sage listed good reasons for the OT Shredder, but that just does make him mean, not evil, well maybe a little. Anyways, OT Shredhead whined too much for my taste.

I dig the newer Utrom Shredder based solely on badassery.

Agreed

SassyGal

07-19-2007, 07:51 PM

Nobody will be surprised that I love OT Shredder the best :D He was my first crush (oh give me a break, I was 9!!) ;) But I do like 2k3 Shredder too. My ideal Shredder would be a combo of OT Shredder and 2k3 Shredder. I like OT Shredder's snarky manner and 2k3 Shredder's pure badassness. That together would be cool.

Sage Ninja

07-22-2007, 12:32 AM

Well you got a point, but i wouldn't say he's real evil if he keeps some one/something to kill hes nemesis for him. If he was trully evil he would kill them himself with hes own hands, witch in several ecations he has had the chance to do but he didn't. So i would say the things he do is mean, so it's makes him a badass, but not evil.

meh...I'm sure if the shows censors had let Shredder be a little more aggressive and fierce, that he fcould have been as actively evil as that. I get this from the episde "Get Shredder!" from the red sky arc of the series where he intentically blows up the channel six building. Truley a turning point in the OT 8)

TheUltimateShredhead

07-22-2007, 10:00 AM

meh...I'm sure if the shows censors had let Shredder be a little more aggressive and fierce, that he fcould have been as actively evil as that. I get this from the episde "Get Shredder!" from the red sky arc of the series where he intentically blows up the channel six building. Truley a turning point in the OT 8)

Yeah!.... As far as i know they made the show less violent after the first season because of angry phonecalls from parents :ohwell: .

Rhodan

07-23-2007, 10:18 AM

In a sense they are two extremes - OT Shredder became more or less megalomanic wrestler living on mercy of far more competent alien dictator who for some reason decided to not use his Rock soldiers more. The new one became kinda too "devilish" every once he got his Shredder armor and plus he is either alien or human/demon (G.I.Joe and Cobra-la *cough*) but I would still say the new one, since I like zealot character of Ch´rell and his acting as everyday Oroku Saki (and that´s ironically my main grip against Ch´rell since alien origin that dehumanised him). Also I was kinda disappointed that his personal history with Hamato Yoshi was gone.