Twilight Princess for GameCube (Not) Cancelled

[ThirdMarioBro]

This is thread worthy.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/19/zelda-twilight-princess-for-gamecube-is-no-more/

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess for Nintendo GameCube has been flushed. GameStop has taken it out of their computer systems, and other are doing the same.

Congradulations Nintendo, you just fu*ked your fans worse than Sony. Go to hell.

Gwg, Peanut, and Barkworm, I leave the floor to you.

*edit*

Insult to injury. GameCube component cables are incompatible with Wii.

[gobo]

Now, I'm less interested in that Wii than when I first saw it. That's just too much work for a damn video game. How can anyone veg out doing all that crap?

[Dr. Doom]

Wow, that's....wow.

[Spitfire]

So what? The GC died awhile ago no great tragedy here. This just gives everyone more of a reason to buy a Wii. You'd be a moron to buy a next gen game for a last gen system. Obviously they re-did the game to make it more next gen and I bet it wouldn't have worked cause the game contains crap you can only use a Wii Remote for or something.

With the crap Sony has been pulling Nintendo still looks like a saint and Microsoft is taking the torch and running with it.

[Mecha Cow]

That article is hardly any confirmation. However, since Nintendo is doing every. single. thing. wrong with this game, it would not surprise me in the least.

I've made my opinion about TP's direction pretty clear in the past, but I never expected it to come this far. Way to f*cking go, Nintendo. You know what? F*ck you right back. I am done. Enough is enough. You suck so much it's not even funny.

[Peanut]

Does anyone else think I was right to bail out on the Wii now? Basically, Nintendo is forcing us to play with their sh*tty, over-complicated Wiimote crap for the next Zelda, now I have absolutely no desire to play it. The Wii can wait until after Christmas in this case.

The whole horrific component cable business is ridiculous enough as it seems, but this is the straw that broke Yoshi's back. Way to make a liar out of yourself Reggie.

I knew things were going too well for Nintendo for much too long. They had to mess up somewhere and they've finally stumbled in two huge ways for me. F*ck this whole thing.

[Duke]

I had definitely decided to get the Gamecube version because I didn't want the Wii's bastardized control system screwing up the game, now for the first time ever I don't even want a Zelda game. Way to go Nintendo...you've made true hardcore gamers not want Zelda. I never thought that day would come.

[gobo]

Wasn't this game nearly finished before they even decided on a godawful name for their nextgen and said they were integrating nextgen tech around E3 time? This is reason for me to break down and get a PS2. I've been Nintendo only up until now. I reserve judgement for when it should happen but doesn't. If I can't get it for GC, they can go to hell. :flaming:

[Spitfire]

You guys have sworn off Nintendo an uncountable amount of times. And like a guy who can't get over their X you keep going back for abuse.

[Mecha Cow]

They could have released this damn game for GC a year ago, and focussed on getting Mario ready for the Wii launch. Now both consoles are screwed.

Only Nintendo can f*ck up their 'biggest title in years' this badly. Oh well, as one who was never pleased with TP to begin with, I guess I can at least appreciate the irony.

[Peanut]

You guys have sworn off Nintendo an uncountable amount of times. And like a guy who can't get over their X you keep going back for abuse.

I've never sworn off anything. Ever. Nintendo made two huge missteps and now they've lost a faithful and willing customer. I know they don't care. It won't effect their bottom line, but look where Sony ended up by lying and screwing over their loyal fanbase.

Microsoft has officially taken over this next-gen of videogames. I'm proud to support the console of a company who isn't trying to f*ck each and every one of us over. Who would have thought anyone would be saying that about Microsoft, but their dedication to the market and to the videogame faithful has been nothing short of amazing.

[Duke]

I agree with Peanut completely. I've never sworn off any company or console including the PS3. I have no desire to purchase a PS3 right now, but that may change somewhere down the line. But just because I haven't sworn them off doesn't mean I don't hate Sony. In my mind Nintendo has officially joined Sony in that regard . I no longer have any desire to purchase a Wii (right now) and I pretty much hate them for how they screw their own fanbase with retarded moves like this.

[ThirdMarioBro]

^Words of truth right there Peanut.

Twilight Princess should have been out a year ago, and Anouma slipped and said that version has been complete all year. They were holding out for a launch title. The only reason I bailed on the GameCube version was because they disabled Widescreen support on the GameCube version, which is bullsh*t. StarFox Adventures could pullfu*king widescreen. F-Zero GX pulled Pro-Scan and Widescreen and sometimes broke the 60FPS barrier. Twilight Princess only couldn't do it so there was a visual perk to getting the Wii version. I just didn't want to play another Zelda game with a sh*tty mesh net blurry S-Video connection, even if I had to use the sh*tty tacked on control setup. Otherwise, I would have perferred to go with the original version. Now, we've got to wait for the real Wii launch game (Super Mario Galaxy) until next fall, and all the people who wanted to play the original Twilight Princess are fu*ked.

Wario Ware has been delayed until next Janurary, and the component cables are once again an exclusive online item in limited supply. I'm considering cancelling my preorder and waiting until Wario Ware.

HOLD-IT!

http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=7046

Conflicting report. GameStop says that the game is still comming out, but they are no longer taking preorders on it.

[Dr. Doom]

Well I'm still reserving judgement on the Wii controls until it comes out, and the component cable thing doesn't effect me at all. This is kinda crappy news, but I still think the lot of you are overeacting. It seems like people are so eager to cast the first stone or draw lines in the sand these days. Component cables are still available. The Wii controls on TP could be good. Who knows. It's certainly better than nothing. I know we all wanted the game a year ago, but we didn't get it. We're getting it now, on the Wii, with new controls. That's just the nature of the beast, I guess. Let's at least let the bloody system launch before we light our torches and fetch our pitchforks.

And no matter how bad it gets, they're still at least a step above Sony.

[Peanut]

I don't think I'm over reacting at all, not in my position at least. I can't play a game in normal resolution. I can't do it. It's just not possible anymore.

On top of that cancelling TP for the GCN is a complete kick to the nuts move. People were holding off on a Wii because they wanted the classic Zelda experience on the Cube, maybe some people just can't afford a new console, or perhaps (like me) just weren't impressed enough with what the Wii was starting to shape up as. Nintendo promised, they swore up and down to those people that Zelda would still come out for the Gamecube. Now they've killed it, and why? Pure greed. They want us to buy a Wii. Bottom line. They're f*cking over their loyal fanbase, the poor schmucks like TMB and GWG who stuck with Gamecube, almost exclusivly, for it's entire pathetic life. The only reason they're still around to even release the Wii is because of their loyal, cause sure as f*ck no one else kept them floating since 1996.

Edit: I don't see why it would be taken out of the database if it's just not being pre-ordered anymore. That doesn't make much sense. Plus, the game has been completely wiped from EBgames.com and Gamestop.com. Not just unavailable for pre-order, but completely unavailable.

[gobo]

I never wished anything bad against Nintendo before... Unless I can get a Wii and Wiimote for $25 or less total, I never want to buy that biased, overcomplicated, overinflated POS. For one thing, I'm a lefty. For another thing, I have always lacked fine-motor coordination from this medical legacy of mine. If I got a Wii, the first fast-paced gaming experience will literally be a slap in the face... BY MY OWN HAND!!! I'm not selling my soul for that opportunity. I can accomplish that fine trying to use a non-motorized toothbrush. Go ahead and laugh, but I'm dead serious. :evil:

Now, can someone tell me what a component cable is anyway? Is that what you use to plug the GB into the GC? Or, do they mean the compoSITE A/V cables?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, it dosen't make much sense to just cancel it from their systems without a reason.

And we are not overreracting in the slightest. They took away the HD, we lived with it. They took away the last big GameCube game for those poor suckers like me who stuck with it, and we delt with it. They launched another machine without Mario, and we delt with it. Now they're setting us up to take away the component cables and blame it on us. I don't want to play another generation of games in blurry ass visuals.


and Mario should have been here on day one. We've waited like what, 8 GODDAMN YEARS since Mario 128 was announced.


You know third parties are going to drop Pro-scan support now that nobody can get the cables easily. anything to save a buck.

[Peanut]

You know third parties are going to drop Pro-scan support now that nobody can get the cables easily. anything to save a buck.

Exactly my f*cking point! Without component cables readily available to the mass market, why would a 3rd party even attempt to generate the assests needed to put a game into 480p with progressive-scan? There's no reason to waste the money on it. Which also means that we'll get some of the delay inherant in playing low-res games on a hi-res set. That f*cking upscanning that'll lead to lag on the output will be complete torture with the Wiimote.

[Mecha Cow]

If I got a Wii, the first fast-paced gaming experience will literally be a slap in the face... BY MY OWN HAND!!!
Not making fun of you or anything, but this is awesome. :lol:

Oh, and this is not directed at anyone specific, but this whole 'If you are not with us, you are against us' attitude regarding the Wii needs to stop. I love Nintendo, but I moved out of Happy Fanboy Land a long time ago, and if they f*ck up, I am going to call them out on it. It does not mean I suddenly hate them or whatever. I've seen this stuff happen at several forums now, and it is seriously dumb, so don't do it.

That is all, carry on.

[Peanut]

I think this whole issue is so split because there are so many different opinions. You've got the people who don't own HD sets, don't give a sh*t about HD resolutions, and just want to get a Wii. You've also got people who don't mind that Nintendo is trying to force us all into buying Wii's to play a game that's been promised to us for over a year. They just want to play the game. Then you have people like me. Hardcore to the bone, in need of HD resolutions, not willing to be sh*tted on by liars. I take complete offense to this bullsh*t. The complete lack of support for the component cables is yet another one to list under the reasons this console isn't for the hardcore.

And also, think about this guys. We're never going to see a normal Zelda again. Never. We're going to be waving our arms around for the for see-able future if we want to play one of the greatest gaming franchises in history. I just used this analogy on TMB. It's like when someone dies. It's so f*cking sureal and then when it clicks that it's real you don't even know what to think.

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, but I'm not too worried about future installments. I don't see anything wrong with a Zelda game that was actually designed for the Wii (Well, unless the Wii sucks, but that's too early to tell). I don't hate the waggle, I just don't want it added to a 'Cube game at the last minute.

[Peanut]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160197.html?tag=latestnews;title;1

Gamespot is reporting it too now. Not looking good. I really think it's gone, guys. I'm f*cking depressed.

[Dr. Doom]

And we are not overreracting in the slightest.

You're like ALWAYS overreacting, dude.

I'm just trying to be positive I guess, it's what I do.

I know we got screwed over a little, but like I said, that's the nature of the beast.

Asf far the compsite HD business, it seems to me that the majority of people (like my good freind Petros who I could cite as a perfect example) that are concerned with all that stuff are the ones who are gonna be buying a PS3 for all such capablities and it's bluray nonsense. I really can't imagine the average Wii-purchasing person will be so rocked by this stuff at it pertains to Nintendo. But as always, I could be wrong.

[愛]

I'm getting 360 this Christmas, then. Way to go, Nintendo.

[Peanut]

But you're missing the point on the HD stuff. This happened with the Cube. They pulled the function from it and stopped supporting it. This is the fear that some of us have with the Wii. Saying the majority of people who care about this are going to buy a PS3 for such capabilities is just ignorant. Anyone who's hardcore serious into games isn't going to take this lightly. Wether people want to admit it or not, it is an issue.

[Dr. Doom]

Well that's why I said I could be wrong.. HD isn't an issue for me so I don't know.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, I own a 360 running at 1080i, so this is an issue for me. My TV is HD, my cable box is HD, my 360 is HD. Wii isn't HD, but progressive scan is enough for me. Take that away, and I get pissed.

[Peanut]

Exactly. We all ready had to deal with the drop from 1080i down to 480p, but we dealt with that. We'll take prog-scan over nothing any day of the week. It's just not acceptable. They could get away with it last gen, because Xbox was the only console supporting up to 720p, but not anymore. Both 360 and PS3 support top-line HD outputs. Wii should at least have Progressive Scan as a standard. This crap threatens that standard. Completely unacceptable.

[Dr. Doom]

Is it at all possible that TP will be available for GC through Nintendo's website like it will (or was gonna be) be in Japan?

[Deathknight]

Ugh, that really sucks. I was going to get the Wii version but why cancel the gamecube version? It's not fair to those who don't want to get a Wii and just want the new Zelda. Though how is it forcing you to use the Wiimote though? The thing has Gamecube controller ports for a reason and I would think that since the game was originally going to be for Gamecube it's going to give the option of using either.

[Peanut]

It has Gamecube ports to play Gamecube games. It won't work with any Wii games. Zelda included. Research people.

[Hannah]

Now I'm never gonna play Twilight Princess.

THANKS ALOT, NINTENDO.

[Deathknight]

Then how are we supposed to play SSBB? There's no way people can use the wii mote for that. I thought that some Wii games were going to support Gamecube controllers.... doesn't make sense to me. This was the last thing I heard awhile back. This upsets me forcing me to use the Wii mote for all games.

[Peanut]

Classic Controller is what SSB:B will use. The option for normal control is not available in Zelda. However you bring up a good point, maybe with the GC version canned they'll put an option for normal control? I doubt it, but it would be a last saving grace.

[Kid Icarus]

I... Woah.

**** you, Nintendo. ****. You.

I'll still be getting a Wii.

Zelda is up in the air. Honestly, if I want a game with sword fighting, I'm going to get Red Steel.

I'm probably just going to wait until Brawl comes out. From now until then there really isn't any reason to own a Wii.

They did need Mario at launch. I don't care if they thought they were saving guns for last... you're in last place, Nintendo. Have you forgotten that? You don't have anything to lose by tossing us everything at once. If the games are good enough, people WILL buy them.

[Kid Icarus]

Wait wait wait. This is JOYSTIQ. Am I the only one who remembers that HUGE **** up they had a couple of months ago? About exclusive Wii launch details?

I smell something going on....

[Peanut]

It was also reported other places. I posted a link for Gamespot up above. Also, I went through the EB and Gamestop pages myself. The Gamecube version of TP has been completely removed.

[Anarchistguy]

Well **** THIS!!! I bought a Gamecube for NOTHING???!!

[Dr. Doom]

Since everyone ignored it the first time, I'll say it again. Is it possible that it will be available for purchase via their website only like in Japan? Also, is there any indication that it's been axed in Europe?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Nobody knows.

[Dr. Doom]

That sounded very cryptic.

"Nooobooody knooooooooooows... OooOOoOoOoOoOOOOOoOOOoooOOOOOooOo!!!!"

[Peanut]

If it's axed in NA, it's axed all over the damn place. We can only hold out hope that it'll at least get an online release over here.

[Dr. Doom]

This is straight from an update on the story by Gamespot.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160197.html?tag=latestnews;title;4

Since this story went live, Nintendo has contacted several online media outlets, including Joystiq, to deny the GC Zelda has gone the way of the dodo. "Online reports about the Nintendo GameCube version of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess are incorrect. The amazing game will be available at retail outlets nationwide on December 13," a rep reportedly said.

[Spitfire]

Well **** THIS!!! I bought a Gamecube for NOTHING???!!
There's quite a few titles worth owning other then this. If your an RE fan your in huge luck.

[Barkworm]

Let's see how this turns out. Nintendo already announced that in Japan you'll only be able to buy it online. Maybe it'll be the same for the rest of the world.

[Kid Icarus]

This is straight from an update on the story by Gamespot.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160197.html?tag=latestnews;title;4

Yep.

Oh, and Gamespot's reported rumors as absolute fact as well... Until a site like Planetgamecube or IGN reports it, I have a hard time beliveing it. Nintendo's debunked this.

Moving on.

[Peanut]

Yep.

Oh, and Gamespot's reported rumors as absolute fact as well... Until a site like Planetgamecube or IGN reports it, I have a hard time beliveing it. Nintendo's debunked this.

Moving on.

Uh...wtf are you talking about? No one ever confirmed anything on Gamespots end. If anyone is the one reporting rumors as fact, it's IGN.

[OA]

Hmmm....so I'm guessing at this point we don't have confirmation that it either is/sn't coming out right?

I really don't get it though, because everything I had seen early on led me to belive the game was almost complete, and that was a while back...

That would completly suck though if it is cancelled, as I was planning on getting for Christmas...guess we'll see...

[Deathknight]

I still wonder if the Wii version will force you to use the stupid wii mote. I remember just before the Wii version was announced they announced it would have "wii support" and you'd be able to use the controller. I'm really hoping that I can use the classic or Gamecube controller for it, otherwise I might end up just buying the Gamecube version depending on how the Wii mote actually handles the game. Who knows, it might actually be better.

[Mecha Cow]

There wouldn't really be a problem if you could, but unfortunately it's been confirmed that you can't. If you want both control schemes, you have to buy the game twice.

[Drtooth]

All I can say is as mad as we should be at Nintendo, we should be angrier with X-Box and Sony. Their crap has beaten Nintendo to a pulp. Sure, there are a few games here and there... but when you look at it we have crappy "Adult" games that are all either "Call of Duty" or "GTA" knockoffs, and Kid's games based on the 300000000 crappy CGI films they crapped out this year. We're basically oversaturated with the same garbage and Nintendo lost the battle, because they have the moral code not to make trashy adult games like that. Remember when Sega's Mortal Kombat did better than SNES because Sega let the blood and gore in? Same thing.

The one problem is that Nintendo wants to be the innovator. What better way to distance yourself from the same old games over and over than with some exciting bizzarre new format. Personally, I felt DS was better at being innovative, and I didn't like the idea when it first came out. That touch pad makes the games kinda cool and different from the other stuff. Still don't know if I'll get one.

Think about it. Nintendo made Mario games. Mario is the Mickey Mouse of all Video game characters. He's not the first, but the most recognized. They took things like Racing and minigames, a concept that wasn't new at all, and turned them inside out, making them fresh. Then all these other companies come up and steal the format, and not even tweak it. Crash BAndicoot, Sonic, even the Nicktoons and the Muppets (I'd kill for a Muppet Super Smash Brothers type game. You could play as all these obscure characters with weird attacks... fun!). Maybe Sonic came out with a Character based Pinball first, but the others? All Nintendo.


Hell... look at DDR.... even Nintendo used a power mat when it first came out. Granted, it was an abysmal failure...

The Wii is too innovative for me. They really should have stuck with the traditional format along side this new one.

But then again, I don't care about games since this whole 3D revolution... they just aren't as fun... there are exceptions of fighting games, but 2-D's the king.

[Dr. Doom]

Gamespot has edited the article I posted to state Nintendo's CONFIRMATION that TP is still coming out for GC on 12/13 and will be available in stores.

[Mecha Cow]

Nintendo lost the battle, because they have the moral code not to make trashy adult games like that.

You do realise this thread is about Twilight Princess, right?

...Sorry, sorry.

[Peanut]

Drtooth, you just contradicted yourself big time. First you say we should hate Microsoft and Sony for doing the "same old thing", then you go on to say the Wii is "too innovative" and that they should have sticked to a normal control scheme? Riiiight.

And I don't think anyone has anything to say to that Mecha. Zelda has always been more realistic than cartoony, and while Wind Waker is my favourite Zelda game, I'm more than prepared to enjoy Twilight Princess. There's a difference between realistic, mature games and trashy adult games.

[Mecha Cow]

I know, I was just being a dick. I actually don't agree with you, but I've made it clear how I feel about TP so I won't go into that again.

[Peanut]

I don't know what there was to disagree or agree with in my statement...I didn't even really state any opinions. :|

Anyways, apparently TP for GC is still coming out. If this is true I'll go get a Wii. Provided I can find some f*cking component cables, or at least get them shipped to me before the Wii launches. I refuse to play Zelda in blurry...180...Z or whatever.

[Barkworm]

Spoiled brat!

[愛]

A/V cables make my penis go inward, forming a vagina. I can't even stand playing games on a normal TV. I gotta have the HD.

[Peanut]

Hey, if I can spoil myself I say good on me. I work for all my sh*t, so I'm allowed to bitch about low resolutions. :D And anything else for that matter, as I tend to do.

[Barkworm]

Hey, if I can spoil myself I say good on me. I work for all my sh*t, so I'm allowed to bitch about low resolutions. :D
Man, things sure have changed since 2004. :lol:

[Peanut]

How right you are. I do still beat you at overall lazy though. You know you can never compete!

[Barkworm]

Dude, you work. That makes me win by default!

[Peanut]

If you consider sitting in a chair and playing Solitare, having naps, listening to music and playing DS work, then yes, I suppose so. :lol:

[Barkworm]

I think I need a job like that. The two hours of private tutoring I do per week are way too much effort...

[Dr. Doom]

My job is up there in terms of laziness too. I pretty much just spend the whole time reloading the Drome and looking for new posts. I'm doing it right now!

[Draconic]

Such is the story of my day. I love it though.

[Spitfire]

I read in Game Informer that the game was just delayed but who knows, game mags are seldom right.

[Drtooth]

Drtooth, you just contradicted yourself big time. First you say we should hate Microsoft and Sony for doing the "same old thing", then you go on to say the Wii is "too innovative" and that they should have sticked to a normal control scheme? Riiiight.

That's contradiction of the masses. If something is EXACTLY the same as something else, say multiple CSI type shows, or Sitcoms about morons trying to get sex, you get bogged down and people don't care about them. You are oversaturated with the stuff, and feel enough is enough... however if you make a series that is bold and innovative, something that people have never seen before, they can't catch on to it. I'm saying, they're sick of the same type of games coming out over and over, but if something is too new, and has an awkward start, they can't and probably won't get into it.

You can do so many things with the old format of controllers... Wii's controls are interresting and new, but maybe Joe Gamer would avoid it.

I really should have made that more clear.

And I don't think anyone has anything to say to that Mecha. Zelda has always been more realistic than cartoony, and while Wind Waker is my favourite Zelda game, I'm more than prepared to enjoy Twilight Princess. There's a difference between realistic, mature games and trashy adult games.

Problem with my posts is I say too much, but I don't say enough at the same time.

What I meant is the so called Mainstream Gamers feel Nintendo is a Kid's toy (Similar to the Genisis vs. SNES battles of the 90's). The characters of Link, Mario, Kirby are cartoons to them. they want those GTA type games. But the Hard core fan gamers LOVE Nintendo. Link and Mario being the top two.

Now, Mainstream gamers are where the bigger money is. They don't buy as many GC's as the other consoles because they don't have that type of game they're looking for.

Not saying they're ALL bad, but it's like movies. There are good action films, and there are clones. The clones out number the originals. The trashier ones are invaritably wanna bees.

SO, less sales of GC, less sales of a GC Link game. that links it up back to the thesis of the game being rumored not to be sold for GC. Not enough money in it, and the system's popularity is fading.

[Zachatello00]

I read in Game Informer that the game was just delayed but who knows, game mags are seldom right.

As a manager of Gamestop in Indianapolis, here's what I know. The game was pushed back to 12/11, will be in stores on 12/12 and will be sold. The reason we've quit taking pre-orders, is because we've filled our quota of pre-orders. We've stopped taking Pre-orders on the Wii version as well.

The game IS coming out.

[OA]

Hmmm...well, there you have it...guess it is coming out then...cool...

[LogicDonny]

In my ebgames there are more than 30 people preordered the gamecube version while the other one has like 25 or so.

that's like 55 copies sold right there.

[LogicDonny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqTX9zmEHws

Here's a video of footage from the gamecube version.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155801

Hmmmmm.....

[Barkworm]

Honestly, who cares anymore?

[Mecha Cow]

You'd be surprised.

Also, that article is pretty pointless. A hyped game is going to sell well? Shock and awe.

[Barkworm]

You'd be surprised.
Mecha, you don't count! :lol:

[Mecha Cow]

Screw you, I'm even getting both versions! I count DOUBLE.

[discordiatookie]

I've searched through this post and cant find what i'm about to write, but no doubt it'll be in another post and i'll get a ":roll: yeh, its already been posted in : (insert link here)" type reply. but here goes, being for the benefit of mr kite. or something.

According to The Official Nintendo Magazine (UK edition, so I guess this is for the UK) they say that Twilight Princess is coming out for the GC on the "15th December.. What's more, the GC game will be a bit different. While the story and sequence of events are identical, the world will be a mirror image of the Wii version. So, for example, if you walk into Ordon village on the Wii version the general store will be on your right. In the GC version it will be on your left! ... Clearly the control method will be different, and there's the mirror image thing, but the GC version will still be the same, stunning epic...."

By the by, that's just some choice quotes, not the whole article!

[Mecha Cow]

Well, yeah, that's been known for quite some time now.

Oh, and :roll: :roll: :roll:

;)

[Peanut]

Doesn't it actually mention that the game isn't delayed anymore directly in the thread title? The rest of that information was never up for debate.

SOOOOO.....:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Zachatello00]

Enter the Gamestop manager. I got the game in my store today. I'm holding a copy of it. It's pretty.

[Spitfire]

We got tons at Best Buy today I don't know if we can sell them yet or not but we have them.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, that's good.

[LogicDonny]

Well zelda rocks on the gamecube.. Ebgames phoned me tuesday night told me the preorder has arrived and I picked it up couple hurs later. Only 10 hours in the game and just finised the 2nd dugeon. Heck, I am not using a guide at all for this game.. I already have 6 hearts and found 2 more pieces of hearts making it 7 found so far.

[愛]

I played TP on the GameCube today, and it's pretty damn good. I hate the wolf parts, though. I recently beat the Forest Temple. Not too bad in a few hours of gameplay, I think.

[Mecha Cow]

For those who have finished it, is it true that the game really picks up after the third dungeon? I sure hope so, because so far I'm not feeling it. I like the game, but best game ever or even best Zelda ever this is not.

[Peanut]

For those who have finished it, is it true that the game really picks up after the third dungeon? I sure hope so, because so far I'm not feeling it. I like the game, but best game ever or even best Zelda ever this is not.

Yeah, it picks up. Don't expect too much more though. I'm telling you this in a completely un-biased fan boy way. This is not the greatest Zelda ever made. Period.

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, I don't expect it to be. I'm pretty confident Nintendo has been talking out of its collective ass for the last 2 years, because this game doesn't even try. Again, I'm enjoying it, but it's a huge step back after Wind Waker, and there's really no excuse for it. Oh well.

[J Legault]

I been a fan of the series for a few years or so. And I can tell this title will be an instant classic since Ocarnia of Time. Course a lot of the other fans still admire OoT as a one of a kind classic.

LoZ: TP will be the first game for me to purchase once I have enough for THE Wii.

Now that I have a part time job, money is no longer limited for me;)

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, TP and Wind Waker are so different in most respects. I look at them as being two extremely different experiences, and try to appreciate them both as such. Each has its own charm about it.

Either way, give the game a chance. I think people just expected too much from it again.

[愛]

No, people just didn't expect themselves to be playing as a damn wolf. The parts where you play the wolf are simply not Zelda. The game was Zelda from the beginning up to where you are first transformed. Then my giddy smile went to a small frown.

Why did they even do that, anyway? Most people buy Zelda for the nostalgia of it. Collecting heart pieces, getting cool weapons, and fighting epic boss fights is what makes the franchise so successful. Even for drawing in a new audience, they could've kept the old scheme and just changed up the dungeons and overworld. The franchise alone carries itself quite well. There was no need to change it.

Anyway, that's my take on it. I didn't play the game for too long, but that's what I've gathered so far.

[Mecha Cow]

Well, what were we supposed to expect? Nintendo kept telling us it would be the best Zelda ever made, and what they ended delivering simply didn't live up to their own hype. Even on a purely technical level it's inferior to Wind Waker.

Why the jaggies? Why the N64 textures? Why the limited camera? Why no shielding? Why no crouching? Why 3 buttons for the menu when I only have 2 item buttons? Why fixed perspective maps? Why small interconnected maps instead of a single, huge area? The list goes on. Wind Waker did all this, why can't this game? This isn't even a matter of opinion, and certainly not 'style'.

It's a great game, but so far it's not blowing me away.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, you both draw up good points. The jaggies are showing up worse because the Cel Shading isn't covering them up, which Wind Waker did masterfully. Plus, WW ran at 60fps, and this runs at 30. I'm a framerate whore, so it doesn't make a terribly large difference, but it is noticeable. Still, its the price we pay for a large polygon count.

And really, yeah, the Wolf stuff seems to just be there to try to add that "darker" element. Its not quite emo, but it is pretty dull. Frankly, the game isn't "dark" at all. The real thing Ocarina had going for it was its "epic" feel. You felt like what you were doing was important, and that's in full force here. Wind Waker had a different (though equally amazing) feeling of starting as an adolescent, then being thrown into the world, exploring, then at the end taking on an epic quest. It was a gradual progression. Twilight seems to start that way, then out of nowhere, it throws sh*t at you, and you're forced to roll with the punches. Each has their own way of going about it, and I like both. Twilight definitely has a more epic feel, yet Wind Waker was brimming with way more personality, and had a much more personal touch about the way you interacted with the world.

Either way, I'm trying to appericate each in a different way, because they have different advantages over each other, but the Wolf stuff definitely isn't up to snuff. It's not outright bad, but like Ai said, it's not really Zelda. The franchise doesn't really need to re-invent itself. It's got the nostalgic thing going for us old timers, but it's core fundamentals really just don't get dated. Its still more solid that just about anything else out there, so there isn't a need to add in some dark "inner warrior" Wolf crap to lure in a new audience that would have come anyway.

[Peanut]

Twilight definitely has a more epic feel, yet Wind Waker was brimming with way more personality, and had a much more personal touch about the way you interacted with the world.

I would say the complete opposite about the epic feel of the games. While TP definitely has the more epic dungeons, it also has some mood killers in the story, things that just kind of make you go "Oh...alright. I guess.", tWW just has a totally epic feel through out. From having to place the pearls on the different islands, to raise the Tower of the Gods from the ocean flower. Descending into old Hyrule and pulling the Master Sword, which is easily one of the most epic parts of any Zelda game, particularly the battle that ensues afterwards. Having to beat down that bird and save your sister, only to get trounced by Ganondorf, who was then SET ON FIRE BY A F*CKING DRAGON GOD! And that boss fight at the end with Gannondorf, on the roof of Hyrule castle, with the entire ocean falling in all around you...it just doesn't get more epic!

Twilight Princess does a bunch of silly and/or stupid stuff that make you really wish they hadn't done it. And because of the sheer amount of emptiness in the world, you don't really care all that much. Yeah, Castle Town is bustling, but you can actually speak to how many of those people? Like 10? That's ridiculous. Kakariko Village is a desolate waste-land at all times. TP just has a dead world and it sucks.

[Mecha Cow]

Wait, it actually stays that way? I was hoping the world would become more populated as the game progressed.

I had hoped for big, lively towns in this game, but so far I have a ghost town and a collection of tiny fixed-perspective maps with generic copied-and-pasted NPC's that I can't talk to that's supposed to pass for a city. :(

And I actually kind of like being a wolf more than I thought I would (Though the concept is still dumb), it's just that those segments are boring. The Tears of Light stuff ends after the third time, right? Right?

[ThirdMarioBro]

I would say the complete opposite about the epic feel of the games. While TP definitely has the more epic dungeons, it also has some mood killers in the story, things that just kind of make you go "Oh...alright. I guess.", tWW just has a totally epic feel through out. From having to place the pearls on the different islands, to raise the Tower of the Gods from the ocean flower. Descending into old Hyrule and pulling the Master Sword, which is easily one of the most epic parts of any Zelda game, particularly the battle that ensues afterwards. Having to beat down that bird and save your sister, only to get trounced by Ganondorf, who was then SET ON FIRE BY A F*CKING DRAGON GOD! And that boss fight at the end with Gannondorf, on the roof of Hyrule castle, with the entire ocean falling in all around you...it just doesn't get more epic!

Twilight Princess does a bunch of silly and/or stupid stuff that make you really wish they hadn't done it. And because of the sheer amount of emptiness in the world, you don't really care all that much. Yeah, Castle Town is bustling, but you can actually speak to how many of those people? Like 10? That's ridiculous. Kakariko Village is a desolate waste-land at all times. TP just has a dead world and it sucks.

Well, yeah. I can't argue with that. You win.

[LogicDonny]

Zelda twilight princess contuines to be good. After going throught he 4th dugeon and I was impressed with it. It makes up for the confusing 3rd dugeon which was fun. So far I can say all the dugeons were excellent and each boss was fun to play.. I also liked the mid-bosses as well.

Also it seems that travelling to the 4th dugeon didn't seem as long to get to as the first 3. Will this happen for the 5th-9th dugeon?

Also I am about 26 hours in now and just got the magic armor.. so I need to go to the snow peak mountain.

[gobo]

I just rented this game for the first time ever a week ago (on GC since I gave up waiting for Wii to return to retail). I'm ashamed of myself as a Zelda fan. :( Should we start a betting pool on how long before I get my hands on Phantom Hourglass? O_o

BTW, my initial impression is that it's Ocarina+. Anyone else got that feeling?

[Mecha Cow]

...Why the hell did you bump this ancient thread?

[愛]

Uhhhhh........