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Raph's Girl
11-29-2006, 12:49 PM
From the official TMNT site:
EPISODE 110
"Nightmares Recycled"
Story Editor: Lloyd Goldfine
Senior Supervising Director: Roy Burdine
Written by Roland Gonzalez
Synopsis:
Raph, Don, Casey, and April’s evening salvage operation lands them a one-way ticket to Recycle World – the Garbageman’s deadly realm of refuse! As if fighting for their lives in a world of lethal compactors and shredders wasn’t bad enough, they’ve got to do it all with Hun – who’s not thrilled to reveal that he and Garbageman have something in common – DNA!
NOTE: This episode was never completed. The script was finished and some animation had begun when 4Kids pulled the plug because it was deemed too controversial for a children's program (apparently Hun and the Garbageman were going to be conjoined twins that were surgically separated at birth).
Raph's Girl note:
4Kids execs "OMG! Oh noooose!!! conjoined twins surgically seperated at birth!! It's *gasps* controversal!! Noooo!! We can't show that!!"
Anybody who's ever seen "CatDog": ".........."
Drtooth
11-29-2006, 12:57 PM
Reactions are strongly going to come from fans saying the obvious...
"They pulled a Garbage man ep? That's great news!"
Whoever the anal retentive dispshizzy that runs the network now... oy...
It's like, no wonder why their version of One Piece sucked. We just can't upset little kids with that type of thing. By little kids, they mean irate grownups who get excited over the mear thought of a boycott, while letting little Jimmy or Jayney watch Jerry Springer without complaint.
Really is sad. I DID like Garbage man, to contradict the rest of the fans. And this would have improved the overall aspect of his character.
Now, why they couldn't have rewritten it as them being regular twins, sepperated at birth instead is beyond me. It could have got it on the air.
It would be cool if they animated it and recorded it anyway, and just put it on the DVD of the Lost season... unless that was why it was pulled. Though I doubt it.
VaughnMichael
11-29-2006, 01:40 PM
that's really stupid to not have an episode done peter laird was paying for the episodes...and once again 4kids screws him over..real nice...:roll:
And that episode sounds like it would add allot to both the characters of garbadge man and hun real nice now we never will get to see it.
damn bastards...:dead:
4Kids pulled the plug because it was deemed too controversial for a children's program (apparently Hun and the Garbageman were going to be conjoined twins that were surgically separated at birth).
Controversial? No. Politically incorrect? Hardly. Where can I send these dufuses a dictionary? They obviously need one. I understand that this is a very bizarre topic for a kids' show that self-righteous adults have mixed feelings about. But, to look the other way when life is distorted by birth-defects just seems like passive hatefulness. To exclude them from decent fiction stories simply because some people find them creepy is not right. I thought this ep would be just delaying the main storyline, and I wouldn't miss it. But, something that heavy is genius and the only forgivable excuse for breaking the focus.
Jester
11-29-2006, 03:20 PM
If it's a STV release what's the big deal anyway....concerned parents can just skip past that episode when they play it and parents who don't care or us older fans can have some good ole character driven story. Everyone wins....maybe.
ZariusTwo
11-29-2006, 05:04 PM
Well that explains why the DVD and the Lost Season episodes were pulled, they no longer have thirteen episodes to package on DVD or Diigital, so they'll have to delay the release and the season until they can produce a substitute.
VaughnMichael
11-29-2006, 05:44 PM
Well that explains why the DVD and the Lost Season episodes were pulled, they no longer have thirteen episodes to package on DVD or Diigital, so they'll have to delay the release and the season until they can produce a substitute.
or just change the number of episodes listed on the box art.
This story does sound fun and will add allot but we're hardly missing anything without it.
Spitfire
11-29-2006, 06:58 PM
Can't they just change it to him being a reject clone of Hun? Everyone knows Shredder played with cloning. Whatever, at least Insane was finished before 4Kids could be stupid with it.
If Peter had any gusto left he would give 4Kids the finger after all the episodes are finished, complete this garbage man one, and then find someone else to release it. Seriously I'm sure he made an episode with Garbage man in it so everyone would like the character more. Since he's dubbed as one of the worst TMNT villains ever. At least he would have a grim origin.
ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael
11-29-2006, 07:41 PM
Can't they just change it to him being a reject clone of Hun? Everyone knows Shredder played with cloning. Whatever, at least Insane was finished before 4Kids could be stupid with it.
If Peter had any gusto left he would give 4Kids the finger after all the episodes are finished, complete this garbage man one, and then find someone else to release it. Seriously I'm sure he made an episode with Garbage man in it so everyone would like the character more. Since he's dubbed as one of the worst TMNT villains ever. At least he would have a grim origin.
It's sad. This could have been the one Garbageman episode that's actually good.
Thats what I loved about the 2K3 series, they always try to add depth to even the most shallow characters.
Masked Ninja
11-29-2006, 07:46 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's just as well they didn't make this one. It just sounds... well... dumb.
It's like "haha, you know that gross guy we had to fight a couple of times? The one with an unhealthy obsession with garbage? Well, for some reason we need to care that he's related to Hun! 8D"
I would have preferred an episode fleshing out the Rat King, or some other worthwhile villain. :\
DrSpengler
11-29-2006, 07:54 PM
I;d be ecstatic if they decided to replace it with a Rat King episode. But that's not likely.
As it stands, I hate the thought that half a finished episode exists out there someplace and we'll never see it. Just kinda...eats away at me...
Well the way things are looking at the moment, it seems Nightmares Recycled isn't the only thing they pulled. They managed to pull The Lost Season off On-Demand AND DVD. While I will be writing to them, I can only hope us consumers and fans can persuade them.
-X-
Well that explains why the DVD and the Lost Season episodes were pulled, they no longer have thirteen episodes to package on DVD or Diigital, so they'll have to delay the release and the season until they can produce a substitute.
Ooh... Impulsive post... Must... fight... Can't... resist.
So, maybe my math's a little rusty, but I'm pretty sure "The Ninja Tribunal" plus 12 eps of The Lost Season adds up to 13 eps. :D
ZariusTwo
11-29-2006, 09:55 PM
Ooh... Impulsive post... Must... fight... Can't... resist.
So, maybe my math's a little rusty, but I'm pretty sure "The Ninja Tribunal" plus 12 eps of The Lost Season adds up to 13 eps. :D
Shut up! Fifty years ago, we'd have you upside down with a f*cking fork up your ass, throw his ass out, he's a *****r, HE'S A ****ER!, HE'S A ***ER!
:P
Nit-picking is more sanitary a bad habit than nose-picking. :embarass:
Spike Spiegel
11-30-2006, 05:49 AM
It's sad. This could have been the one Garbageman episode that's actually good.
Thats what I loved about the 2K3 series, they always try to add depth to even the most shallow characters.
True...but now we may never get to see TMNT 2K3 ever again...:cry: :cry: :cry:
Tortuga Joe
11-30-2006, 07:42 AM
I definitely agree with the fact that this may have actually been a good episode for the Garbageman, adding some depth to his character. I was a little thrown off, as it sounded like it deviated from the 'Ninja Tribunal' storyline, but was somewhat interested to where it could have went. I would, however, have much preferred an epsiode about the Rat King (as said above), in place of another villain.
Ninjinister
11-30-2006, 10:34 AM
Curses! And I was looking forward to this episode. How dare they do this to us? 4Kids is now bane of my existance number 9.
Buslady
11-30-2006, 10:47 AM
The ep sounds lame. It would have been better...if the dude was Hun's uncle, or dad or something like that. Not conjoined twins...that's as corny as Raph turning into GameRaph...
Nexxorcist
11-30-2006, 11:57 PM
From the official TMNT site:
EPISODE 110
"Nightmares Recycled"
Story Editor: Lloyd Goldfine
Senior Supervising Director: Roy Burdine
Written by Roland Gonzalez
Synopsis:
Raph, Don, Casey, and April’s evening salvage operation lands them a one-way ticket to Recycle World – the Garbageman’s deadly realm of refuse! As if fighting for their lives in a world of lethal compactors and shredders wasn’t bad enough, they’ve got to do it all with Hun – who’s not thrilled to reveal that he and Garbageman have something in common – DNA!
NOTE: This episode was never completed. The script was finished and some animation had begun when 4Kids pulled the plug because it was deemed too controversial for a children's program (apparently Hun and the Garbageman were going to be conjoined twins that were surgically separated at birth).
Raph's Girl note:
4Kids execs "OMG! Oh noooose!!! conjoined twins surgically seperated at birth!! It's *gasps* controversal!! Noooo!! We can't show that!!"
Anybody who's ever seen "CatDog": ".........."
actually you should be blaming BSMP
Drtooth
12-05-2006, 11:52 AM
Then again... maybe they could finish it specifically for the DVD release or at the very least record it (unless they already have) and show an animatic of how it would have been. or even just put the script up. Maybe for some special feature.
BSMP? Who dat??
I guess he ment BSAP, Broadcast standards and practices.
You know the self censoring buggers that try hard not to warrent complaints from childless old women who watch TV specifically so they can find a way to ruin everything, so everyone ultimately has their old timey prudish views.
Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle
12-05-2006, 02:16 PM
Yeah, the episode did sound pretty lame. Garbageman was probably the stupidest character on TMNT 2k3. I found his two episodes he was in to be the worst the series had. While the story did have a neat twist, I could care less.
Yes, I do think this is exactly why the DVD set got pushed a bit. This episode was planned to be on the 13 episode set but since it really has nothing to do with the Ninja Tribunal/Real Shredder storyline, it was okay to be pulled. Maybe 4kids realized this. Since we all know that the set is coming to DVD in Austraila in March.
However, I think we should at least see this story adapted into a comic book. That at least would give us an idea of how the story would of worked out.
Spitfire
12-05-2006, 03:27 PM
The ep sounds lame. It would have been better...if the dude was Hun's uncle, or dad or something like that. Not conjoined twins...that's as corny as Raph turning into GameRaph...
No that's edgy and dark like you fans have been whining for since FF came out. Then you get it and "It's lame"
And now you say Garbage-man is lame but you want a comic book about him. You people amaze me really.
As for the DVD they still haven't put the final for season 4 on DVD either so that should be included in the set thus making it 13 episodes.
Katie
12-05-2006, 03:50 PM
That's right. That episode, from what I understand, was never even finished. I don't think they were counting it in the number of episodes on the disc for release.
J Legault
12-05-2006, 11:50 PM
I remenber when reading the subscriptions of the "Ninja Tribunal" Episodes, I was surprised to read that hun and the Garbageman are related.
Course I automatically can tell it would finally shine some background on everyone's least favorite miscellanous villian.
And I see that "Nightmares Recycle" is going to be Unaired episode #2.
Bumber is all I can say. I mean "Insane Membrane" wasn't as inappropriate as I heard it was, but I can understand that Baxter as a decading corpse can be unsuitable for the kiddies.
I'll wait and see what will become of this one.
Oh and "Broadcast standards and practices" was one of the reasons why Reboot Season 1 & 2 were light on violence than 3 & 4.
VaughnMichael
12-06-2006, 05:55 AM
I don't care what anyone else says (what else is new lol) but I'm sad this wont come to be now because the character I didn't like or understrand Garbadgeman was to get a back story just like everything else to me this would have wrapped up everything besides what happend to dr. chapplen.:|
Mr. Stay Puft
12-06-2006, 08:51 AM
You know what would be a great idea? If Mirage did a series that takes place in the 2k3 universe. Or even just a mini-series to wrap things up. It would still be better than nothing.
TerranigmaFreak
12-06-2006, 03:40 PM
It's like "haha, you know that gross guy we had to fight a couple of times? The one with an unhealthy obsession with garbage? Well, for some reason we need to care that he's related to Hun! 8D"
I agree. This episode sounds lame anyway. I know I wouldn't miss it.
Spitfire
12-06-2006, 03:47 PM
I agree. This episode sounds lame anyway. I know I wouldn't miss it.
Cause background stories are terrible, more episodes are terrible. Man you fans are fickle
VaughnMichael
12-06-2006, 03:53 PM
I agree. This episode sounds lame anyway. I know I wouldn't miss it.
ok seriously you are entitled to your opinion and all but I'm sick of this crap.
Everyone bitches and complains that Garbage man sucks right?
Ok so they go out of their way to make him not suck so much and make him related to Hun which I think is a disgustingly brilliant idea of them being connected at one point.
Everything was now connected I will give anyone the benefit of the doubt and say sure I'd much rather have an episode showing what happened with rat king or someone else but this THIS finally gave this dumb character something. He didn't have a story and that is what was wrong in the first place he came out of no where and was like oooh I'm this fat disgusting garbage guy but now we know so much more. And I really think this blows that this show wont have all episodes produced. It now makes me wonder if any other episodes had been planed but not made for this series I know of the ones from the 80' toon.
In closing I'd like to say I think it's rather rude to peter laird who spent his money so the fans could have great episodes and the thanks he gets is being told an episode giving a villain who had nothing closure sucks...real nice and appreciative some times I'm ashamed to be a turtle fan.:| :cry:
TerranigmaFreak
12-06-2006, 04:12 PM
Did you guys not read the quotes?
Spitfire
12-06-2006, 04:24 PM
Did you guys not read the quotes?
This "It's like "haha, you know that gross guy we had to fight a couple of times? The one with an unhealthy obsession with garbage? Well, for some reason we need to care that he's related to Hun! 8D""
Yeah I don't agree with that either. You act like a background story is a bad thing.
You'd rather they make a new "Coming Out Of Their Shells" CD
VaughnMichael
12-06-2006, 04:26 PM
Did you guys not read the quotes?
I did and I'm just stating my opinion on how rude it is to act that way to some one who went out of his way to have something made for the fans.
And it's not dirrected towards you even though I quoted you or anyone else I just wanted it to be known that it's very rude.
actually you should be blaming BSMP
Ooh! I think I just figured it out... Board of Standard MalPractices?? That's awesome! :lol:
TerranigmaFreak
12-06-2006, 04:39 PM
I did and I'm just stating my opinion on how rude it is to act that way to some one who went out of his way to have something made for the fans.
And it's not dirrected towards you even though I quoted you or anyone else I just wanted it to be known that it's very rude.
The funny thing is, people here act very rude during most of the Fast Forward discussions as well. Unlike them, my opinions aren't biased. If I truely hated or liked whatever they do -- be it TMNT 2K3 or FF -- I won't hold back in telling it like it is. Afterall, this forum is a place to discuss things. Plus, I had a reason not to like it. I didn't bash it just because it's about Garbageman. And believe it or not, I'm one of the few people who didn't mind the Garbageman episodes. But what's there just sounds like they shove it there just to make him cooler. Just cause it a back story to a character doesn't mean it adds anything or makes he or she better.
VaughnMichael
12-06-2006, 04:50 PM
Just cause it a back story to a character doesn't mean it adds anything or makes he or she better.
actully it does...because he was nothing besides some mojo from x-men rip off untill the concept of this now lost episode. I'd say that adds quite a bit especially the bit about him being part of hun.
And yes many fans have been rude about fast forward and liek I told them all and many others involved with the show that it would only get better.
But no one listens people always have to see for themselves. Oh well:sick:
ZariusTwo
12-06-2006, 04:50 PM
True, there's no real reason to put Garnageman and Hun together, it sounds too fan friendly, which itself is a contradiction given how the majority of fans despise Nano and Garbageman, so there's obvious two of Peter's favourates.
VaughnMichael
12-06-2006, 04:52 PM
True, there's no real reason to put Garnageman and Hun together, it sounds too fan friendly, which itself is a contradiction given how the majority of fans despise Nano and Garbageman, so there's obvious two of Peter's favourates.
yea I think it's pretty clear that peter likes nano tech stuff just look at it all in volume 4 I mean mung even had it in red sky.
tortugapower
12-18-2006, 10:52 AM
actually you should be blaming BSMP
Exactly! There are a lot of people quick to blame 4Kids for this kind of stuff, but it's FOX standards and practices that pulls the plug in many of these cases, not 4Kids.
Them being conjoined twins was not the reason it was pulled btw, if that was the case they would've killed it in the scripting phase.
mikey2007
12-21-2006, 12:31 AM
I don't care what anyone else says (what else is new lol) but I'm sad this wont come to be now because the character I didn't like or understrand Garbadgeman was to get a back story just like everything else to me this would have wrapped up everything besides what happend to dr. chapplen.:|
haha oh man, i forgot about dr. chapplen, i wanna know what happened to him too! but then again he also popped outta no where, maybe they should do a whole episode about him:tidea: :wink: haha
Masked Ninja
12-21-2006, 12:35 AM
And if they want to link back to previous characters, what about T-581 or whoever? The guy whose life Bishop basically ruined?
Stephen
12-21-2006, 12:24 PM
I don't care what anyone else says (what else is new lol) but I'm sad this wont come to be now because the character I didn't like or understrand Garbadgeman was to get a back story just like everything else to me this would have wrapped up everything besides what happend to dr. chapplen.:|
But at the end of S3, they said that one of the characters would never be seen again. Maybe they wanted to keep it ambiguous as to who it was, leaving them open bring one of them back if they ever wanted to.
Spitfire
12-22-2006, 04:03 AM
But at the end of S3, they said that one of the characters would never be seen again. Maybe they wanted to keep it ambiguous as to who it was, leaving them open bring one of them back if they ever wanted to.
I think it was pretty obvious at this point that that character was Shredder.
ZariusTwo
12-22-2006, 04:59 AM
What would have been more direct would be Leo shoopting Ch'rell dead then spoke to the audience
"Ok, he's dead, you're never going to see him again"
Jester
12-22-2006, 06:43 AM
What would have been more direct would be Leo shoopting Ch'rell dead then spoke to the audience
"Ok, he's dead, you're never going to see him again"
Poor Vaudville Guys form Family Guy....:P Nice refrence Z.
Spike Spiegel
12-22-2006, 07:44 AM
I personally thought "Garbageman" was one of the quirkiest eps of the show. Has he appeared in any of the console games? Nano's level(first game) would have been a good place for him to be in there somewhere...
Actually, no. He was never in any of the consoles. I'm not sure about the GameBoy versions.
Spitfire
12-22-2006, 03:53 PM
No he's not in any of them. Not even the GBA one.
VGiselleH
01-07-2007, 09:09 AM
I'm actually extremely disappointed this episode won't be finished. When I first saw the synops for each episode in the lost season this one stood out for me because it has Raph and Don as the only turtles in it apparently, and I was really, really looking forward to seeing them together again like in the H.A.T.E. episode. There's not enough interaction between those two, so yeah, I was disappointed to learn about this ep being canceled :(
The whole garbageman being it, I dunno, why not, and giving Hun such a funny/humiliating family-tie sounded like good stuff to me ^_^
aprilsfan
01-07-2007, 09:21 AM
what if they seperated hun and the garbageman, then threw the garbageman out cause they thought he was dead or worthless, then he had to raise himself off of trash becoming the dreaded garbageman. just a thought!
That sounds reasonable. And he kidnaps Hun and everybody to get revenge on them for... never letting him in the videogames! :D ... :sweatdro: Okay. But, the first point of my post was serious.
Buslady
01-07-2007, 12:59 PM
I just think the idea of making the Garbage dude a conjoined twin is lame; it should have been a family member like an uncle, cousin, brother, dad, or something...I think that would have been a better episode and it would have been completed.
*nods* I agree with ya right there Buslady. The only thing weird about this episdoe pitch is the conjoined twins. If the Garbageman was a half-brother on the other hand, that would really have me there.
Hun: YOU TURTLES WON'T GET AWAY THIS TIME!
G'man: Yeah! *slobbers and snorts* You won't get far in that scrap heap!
Hun: ...man, now I know why you were twice removed...
But yeah, I think the episode sounded really solid. And just for a note, that would mean Donnie would be the only character in the series who would have met the Garbageman 3 times. You can just imagine him thinking "not again" or something :lol: It's a shame, since this would probably be the best thing that they would have done to Garbageman. But I would personally like to see Hun kill the guy with a chainsaw, but that's just me :)
Nexxorcist
01-08-2007, 10:06 PM
what if they seperated hun and the garbageman, then threw the garbageman out cause they thought he was dead or worthless, then he had to raise himself off of trash becoming the dreaded garbageman. just a thought!
...that sounds ridiculously reasonable
Ninja Tiptup
01-20-2007, 06:24 PM
Also rather tragic. Which would add a lot to the character and give him a solid reason for being so connected to garbage.
Time Mistress
01-21-2007, 05:29 PM
I never liked Garbageman. The only reason I miss this ep being made is for the under-utilized Don/Raph intereaction.
Jo Dawn
01-23-2007, 10:59 PM
what if...
What if...
They just gave us the stinking episode. Give it on DVD, where the parents can decide what their kids can and cannot watch. What if they just LET US SEE IT!! *falls over*
Give us the freaking episode already, instead of the horrible drivel they continually bombard us with.
aprilsfan
01-24-2007, 02:51 AM
honestly i think this episode is gone, if they truely thought this episode was unwatchable and stop the production on it. its probably never going to be finished, not for the dvd not for anything. you might just have to let go of it, cause i doubt they care enough to finish it, cause they barely care enough to release the other lost episodes, and those are apparently completed. the only reason insane in the membrane was released was cause it was finished, if they never completed it we would have never seen it. and its the same for the other lost episodes they are done with them, so they can be released they just are choosing to hold them back for however long.
Jo Dawn
01-24-2007, 09:49 AM
No. I mean whatever they have. Storyboards, outlines. Anything. It's all good.
Whitewolf89
01-24-2007, 02:20 PM
Exactly! There are a lot of people quick to blame 4Kids for this kind of stuff, but it's FOX standards and practices that pulls the plug in many of these cases, not 4Kids.
*raises eyebrow* Yeah, right, like Fox HAS any "standards and practices*, given some of the unmitigated crap that THEY show these days!
Anybody remember "X-Files"? I seem to remember that THAT show could get pretty controversial at times, itself, and I bet a LOT of kids watched it. So what's the danged difference between some of it's episodes, "Nightmares Recycled", and the "infamous" "Insane in the Membrane" ep that they deemed so "controversial"?! My nine-year-old niece watched that ep with me after I got the "Season 4" DVD, and SHE didn't twitch an eyelash over it! Said it was a bit gross, yes (and I agreed with her on THAT point), but she then said that she's seen worse stuff on some of the video-games that she plays. And given how VIOLENT that SOME of today's games are (to say NOTHING of some TV shows and movies, I'D say that Fox is being just a bit chicken on this one. But that's just me.
Them being conjoined twins was not the reason it was pulled btw, if that was the case they would've killed it in the scripting phase.
This is true. Again, this is just a case of chickening out, whether it be 4Kids OR Fox. IMHO.
martinitolove
03-15-2007, 04:14 PM
Can somebody, please, get the script of that Garbage-sode and post it in the forum?
tortugapower
03-15-2007, 04:30 PM
*raises eyebrow* Yeah, right, like Fox HAS any "standards and practices*, given some of the unmitigated crap that THEY show these days!
Anybody remember "X-Files"? I seem to remember that THAT show could get pretty controversial at times, itself, and I bet a LOT of kids watched it. So what's the danged difference between some of it's episodes, "Nightmares Recycled", and the "infamous" "Insane in the Membrane" ep that they deemed so "controversial"?! My nine-year-old niece watched that ep with me after I got the "Season 4" DVD, and SHE didn't twitch an eyelash over it! Said it was a bit gross, yes (and I agreed with her on THAT point), but she then said that she's seen worse stuff on some of the video-games that she plays. And given how VIOLENT that SOME of today's games are (to say NOTHING of some TV shows and movies, I'D say that Fox is being just a bit chicken on this one. But that's just me.
X-Files was aired late at night and wasn't aimed at children. It is silly to think children aren't going to be exposed to this kind of thing, but FOX doesn't want anyone pointing the finger at them saying "yo showed my kids this" because parents never blame themselves. Your niece is also seeing games that again aren't geared towards her. If the show was a movie it would probably be pushing a PG rating and episodes like IITM and NR are PG-13. Yeah, not a whole big thing but still it makes all the difference to BS&P.
Insane In the Membrane is nothing to some of the things in Nightmares Recycled. There is crazy baby experimentation and back alley doctor stuff in the episode.
At least IITM was released on DVD and aired in some places. Nightmares had to be canned before it was even completed.
I don't want it to seem like I'm defending them, because I don't care either way what they choose to air or not, I'm just saying that this is why they make the decisions that they do.
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