TMNT Spoiler Discussion (Spoilers ;)

[sdp]

With the movie so close, i'm sure sooner or later we'll be seeing Spoilers, hopefully people will use spoiler tags and label threads accordingly,

anyways I just saw this on the Toy discussion (only putting spoiler tags in case someone opened the thread accidentally)

http://www.action-figure.com/events/main.php?g2_itemId=54999&g2_page=7

So a lot of people speculated on his return, and this confirms it. I like him and seems to be influenced by new toon shredder, only more realistic, I wish the color wasn't that same/similar blue.

You can also see other of the monsters, Raphaels vigilante costume etc on those pictures.

[Spitfire]

Well the thread is marked as spoilers already so I'm not using spoiler posts.

Doesn't surprise me. I think he will probably be resurrected though at the end or something. But just because they made a toy doesn't ensure he will be in it. He will be in the game however. And I think Laird likes that new Shredder look because he used in in Volume 4 too.

[Aztec General]

That could just be the flashback Shredder. Then again flashback Shredder would be in the pink outfit he wore in film 1 (see my avatar).

[sdp]

yea no need for Spoiler tags, i just did it on my first post in case someone clicked 'next thread' and read a potential spoiler,

I didn't know about his look on Vol.4, but I do think the toy kind of almost confirms him,
Every universe except the comics Shredder always ends up being the main baddie, they couldn't make a new movie without him (though karai and foot were a good replacement).

[Raph's Girl]

The thing with Shredder in Vol 4 is that it's not Oroku Saki.. it's Oroku Yoshi and not only is he cute but a good guy. I just wish we knew more about his origins and how he got in the Nexus.

[VaughnMichael]

The thing with Shredder in Vol 4 is that it's not Oroku Saki.. it's Oroku Yoshi and not only is he cute but a good guy. I just wish we knew more about his origins and how he got in the Nexus.
either that or jim lawson is doing whatever he wants...:roll:

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

The thing with Shredder in Vol 4 is that it's not Oroku Saki.. it's Oroku Yoshi and not only is he cute but a good guy. I just wish we knew more about his origins and how he got in the Nexus.

We can't be too sure about him. After all, we only just met him.

Okay, off topic I know but, those are some damn fine looking figures.

I really wan't that Jedi Leo.

[gobo]

Anyone ever think it might be Oroku Yoshi in the movie? That would explain the outfit better. I can't wait for the Super Shredder Bros. videogame though. It oughtta be sweet. :D :goof:

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Anyone ever think it might be Oroku Yoshi in the movie? That would explain the outfit better. I can't wait for the Super Shredder Bros. videogame though. It oughtta be sweet. :D :goof:

Yoshi was just introududed, in a comic series that not alot of people read. I'm 100% sure that aint Oroku Yoshi.

[Warhorse]

I saw the figurines and I thought that Raphael was as muscular in the new toy mold as he was in the older toy models. Just wondering about this since the stink about the turtles being too thin on the new CGI movie. Also, people say that the turtles were thin in the original comics, but they didn't look thin to me at all. They looked more squat, but not slender.

[cowabunga14]

I gotta say -- this Oroku Yoshi guy sounds interesting. How do y'all think he's related to Hamato and all the people of his family? Like, could he be a cousin or something?

[Jester]

Ok comic book fans, can we get a pic of Oroku Yoshi (what's next Hamato Saki...:roll: )

[SLASH!!!]

I gotta say -- this Oroku Yoshi guy sounds interesting. How do y'all think he's related to Hamato and all the people of his family? Like, could he be a cousin or something?

His name Oroku is likely his last name, which might make hime a relative of the real Shredder Oroku Saki, and maybe his brother Oroku Nagi.

[gobo]

I gotta say -- this Oroku Yoshi guy sounds interesting. How do y'all think he's related to Hamato and all the people of his family? Like, could he be a cousin or something?
Well, in Japan, family names are first names. And, I believe someone posted that he is a relative of Oroku Saki. I'm just putting the idea out there that the Movie Shredder toy might be Oroku Yoshi because his armor is designed like that comic character's plus the fact that he lacks claw marks on his face. It seems pretty undeniable to me.

[Murphy]

Now who went and said the Shredder's in the film? Hmmm.

[VaughnMichael]

Now who went and said the Shredder's in the film? Hmmm.
no one they are speculating.:lol:

[gobo]

It's just reasonable to believe since there's a Movie Shredder figure at the link posted above. So, this is deductive reasoning, right?

[Murphy]

It's just reasonable to believe since there's a Movie Shredder figure at the link posted above. So, this is deductive reasoning, right?

Sure, it's deductive reasoning.

But one that is based on the assumption that the Movie Shredder figure is in turn based on a Shredder character that appears in the movie... and not on some toy exec trying to move a few zillion newly (and rather coolly) designed Shredder figures predicated on the belief that since the public knows the character, then why not create an action figure... even if the character isn't in the movie?

You know... "literary license."

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

It's just reasonable to believe since there's a Movie Shredder figure at the link posted above. So, this is deductive reasoning, right?

Or just common sense.

I mean, he's got a figure, he's in the upcomming game, he's the only known TMNT villian by the general public, in some way or another he's gotta be in the movie.

[xChri5x]

Oooo I hope they make an Archie movie figure!!!

[gobo]

Well, since the Ubisoft promo clip strongly suggested that the videogame will include The Shredder (when the guy was talking about a specific character, it was bleeped out with a clipart Shredder over the dude's mouth), I wouldn't at all be surprised if that's the only medium in which the movie involves him at all. However, I'd be surprised but not disappointed if we don't see him even for a second in a flashback sequence or otherwise in the film itself. While I'm not one of those who dislikes the character just because he seems to be used more often than he should (nor do I believe that to be true), I'm not really anxious to see him again so soon.

Can't wait for your novelization, Murph. That, and the prequel comics that I think we've been told are supposed to be canon, but I'm guessing that may change before the sequel comes around. Max Winters looks like a D&D geek trapped in a jock's body though. ^_^ What's up with that?

[Spitfire]

I said this like 5 times before, he's in the game so they made a toy of him.

Like Turtle Bot and the Giant Mouser from the TMNT game. They weren't in the show when those toys were made. Turtle Bot showed up much later.

[SLASH!!!]

I can only see Shredder appearing in a flashback or montage of past events.

[Jester]

Ok comic book fans, can we get a pic of Oroku Yoshi (what's next Hamato Saki...:roll: )
Sure thing Jester, happy to oblidge. :roll:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/OrokuYoshi.jpg

[VaughnMichael]

Or just common sense.

I mean, he's got a figure, he's in the upcomming game, he's the only known TMNT villian by the general public, in some way or another he's gotta be in the movie.

or you could just ignore Murphy...:dead:

[gobo]

Sure thing Jester, happy to oblidge. :roll:
Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic when you asked for that pic. :roll: I don't have access to the comics, but I'm guessing others were also thinking that 'surely you Jest'. That's the difference a little extra punctuation can make. ;) ^_^

[TerranigmaFreak]

Then again flashback Shredder would be in the pink outfit he wore in film 1 (see my avatar).

WTF!? It's RED!

[VaughnMichael]

WTF!? It's RED!
actullly if you want to be specific it's Magenta.:P

[Chris]

If Shredder's not in the film the figure could be based off the video game design. After all it's pretty much confirmed that he's in the game (though not in what capacity). They've done video game figures before (Giant Mouser, etc.) so the figure may not be based on the movie.

[Ryzar]

Man ... what's with all the new characters these days being anorexic?

SO skinny!

Beef up, Shred Head! :p

[Spitfire]

If Shredder's not in the film the figure could be based off the video game design. After all it's pretty much confirmed that he's in the game (though not in what capacity). They've done video game figures before (Giant Mouser, etc.) so the figure may not be based on the movie.

Is there an echo in here?

[VaughnMichael]

Is there an echo in here?
http://media.gamestats.com/gg/image/object/005/005594/EchoTheDolphin_USBOX_SegaCD022005boxart_160w.jpg

[Murphy]

or you could just ignore Murphy...:dead:

Ha. You could.

But would I ever lie to you? ;)

[Murphy]

Man ... what's with all the new characters these days being anorexic? SO skinny! :p

I hear you. It's a sickness in our society that only serves to mess children up, especially girls.

[VaughnMichael]

Ha. You could.

But would I ever lie to you? ;)
haha no Murph I was beinbg sarcastic to all you guys saying things and yet people choose to igore it.
I highly doubt you'd lie to us lol:lol:

[sdp]

well unless its released way later, I see a lot of kids dissapointed and asking why he is not there.
Also they don't normally make toys out of the videogame, its usually the other way around if anything, that is why I find it odd. It could be just they did it since they have the license to go ahead and do a shredder (and reason why it looks like the new toon shredder).
And Shredder could not be in the game, just because it bleeps with a shredder image is not a confirmation. And why was it bleeped? if its not in the movie they shouldn't care, especially if they announced it that he would not be the movie). I doubt for a 'surprise' since they pretty much give it away.
Though it wouldn't be the first time a movie game has more villians from the franchise not in the movie. Though the toylines never do this.

http://www.toywiz.com/temunitutmac1.html
again more spoilers from the toys?
According to this its Karai Winters, so is Karai related to Max on this movie? I hope not..

[Spitfire]

well unless its released way later, I see a lot of kids dissapointed and asking why he is not there.

http://www.toywiz.com/temunitutmac1.html
again more spoilers from the toys?
According to this its Karai Winters, so is Karai related to Max on this movie? I hope not..

Maybe she married him

[Quiet_Guy]

I thought these toys weren't out till Jan or Feb?

[Moplaya43]

When are they going to release the voice cast for the new movie??

[Zechs]

I seem to recall a Newsarama article that had an interview with the director of the new TMNT and he pretty much let it slip in the article that the Shredder might be popping up at the end and setting up for a sequel.

Tommorrow I'll search for the article since Newsarama is having it's daily downtime.

[Kendamu]

According to this its Karai Winters, so is Karai related to Max on this movie? I hope not..

Then again, Raph's alter ego on that same page is "Nightwater" (sic).

[Zechs]

I just realized something if this follows the first movie then in the toy picture of movie Shredder, Saki doesn't any scars on his face (the ones he got from Splinter and from being crushed in the garbage can if they follow the second movie as well.) Perhaps more evidence Shredhead appears at the end?

[Spitfire]

I just realized something if this follows the first movie then in the toy picture of movie Shredder, Saki doesn't any scars on his face (the ones he got from Splinter and from being crushed in the garbage can if they follow the second movie as well.) Perhaps more evidence Shredhead appears at the end?

We've discussed this a million times and been told by Murphy and I think Kevin that Shredder will NOT be in the movie. He will be in the game. NOT the movie.

The movie = NO SHREDDER
The game = Shredder

[Zechs]

We've discussed this a million times and been told by Murphy and I think Kevin that Shredder will NOT be in the movie. He will be in the game. NOT the movie.

The movie = NO SHREDDER
The game = Shredder


Kevin Munroe: Then we have The Foot ninja coming back as well... After Shredder has been defeated. That's kind of the core notion... That it's down to the family, post-Shredder. But we're not saying that he's gone forever. We've already started talking about the sequel and stuff... I love... I'm a huge fan of the City At War mini-series, about what happens after the death of Shredder. It's so cool.


[Turtles co-creator] Peter Laird even said “It’s really important to me that Shredder is not the main villain in this.”


I said I find out from Newsarama the quote he said but thought to put in the Peter one as well he uttered since you mentioned it as well :D

Yeah, and yet even though they may deny it millions of times like a story element from Batman Begins, funny how things turn out to be true in the end. He's been asked this question in EVERY single interview and in every single interview Kevin has to clear it up that Shredder ain't the main villain his legacy is one of them (being the Foot).


I know the Shredder isn't going to be the MAIN villain of the pic, that's Max Winters and whatever big bad he summons. However, that doesn't mean they'll have him appear via flashback or more than likely at the end.

And come on how can fans of the Shredder not be hanging on the fact that Munroe himself teases with things like this on AICN:
We've got all the Turtles coming back. We have Shr... I mean, Splinter coming back. I almost said Shredder, but he's not coming back.

And for me.. that's all I need to hear to know that Shredder is going to be in the movie in a small role but his presence will be felt through Karai and the Foot.

I'm not spoiling for any fight I just wanted to say, "Hey.. if they're following the movie shouldn't Saki be scarred? Unless.." That's all.

[johnnyblaze]

Splinter isn't missing part of his ear either....i'm just being a jerk don't mind me :D

[AquaParade]

I'm pretty convinced that Shredder isnt going to be in this movie, but its possiblw that Kevin was trying to spell something out by saying the Shredder isnt "coming back"...guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'm just happy hes in the game.

[RskimB]

If this is still loosely following TMNT 1-2 canon I wonder if April will still be a reporter?

[mikey2007]

couldn't shredder be portrayed by karai, so technically he could be in it, u never know what they might throw at ya, haha, and i loved it in the comic when raph posed as shredder for a while, so if u want to get technical, anyone could be shredder and therefore could be in the movie:D (that's a lot of technical stuff, lol sorry)

[Masked Ninja]

I know I'd like to see Karai as Shredder. So long as she says awesome and kicks trash. I love the new 'toon, but Karai's Lady Shredder gig was kinda pathetic.

[gobo]

If this is still loosely following TMNT 1-2 canon I wonder if April will still be a reporter?
The abstract for April's prequel comic suggests that she is an antiques dealer. But, that doesn't mean that she isn't both that and a reporter. ^_^
I love the new 'toon, but Karai's Lady Shredder gig was kinda pathetic.
Well, yeah. I didn't want to say anything because it's a woman being threatening by the same measures as a man. That's a very good thing (for female equality). But, it just seemed a tad boring because it was such a flash-in-the-pan. It was foreshadowed in "Bad Day", and wasn't touched on again until the cliff/max in "Scion of the Shredder"/"Prodigal Son". Then, that's it. There was no more reason to fear the she-Shredder. WTF? But, in as much as they didn't have her boobs obviously pronounced by the breast plate, like the storyboards suggested was the original intention, I was satisfied with what we got.

[Bircher]

With April being an antiques dealer, and the includion of karai, it seems to be following the new series (minus FF) more than the movies. (Not complaining I love the series)

Will the movie explain how Karai is linked to the Shredder or will they assume the audience has been watching the cartoon and not expecting an Archie flashback?

[gobo]

the official site's abstract of April's prequel book says that she gets drawn into the world of illegal antiquities trading, they don't specifically say what her profession is. However, the recent articles I've read about the film say that she will be a 'researcher'. However, I can guarantee you that this is in no way a continuation of a TV series. It will be a continuation of the live-action movies, but possibly no more than Superman Returns was a continuation of the Christopher Reeve Superman adventures.

[Shredder6]

Well the thread is marked as spoilers already so I'm not using spoiler posts.

Doesn't surprise me. I think he will probably be resurrected though at the end or something. But just because they made a toy doesn't ensure he will be in it. He will be in the game however. And I think Laird likes that new Shredder look because he used in in Volume 4 too.
I hope he's ressurected. Maybe it will end with Shredder's resurrection, setting up the sequel.