Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer - Please use spoiler-tags [Archive]

Anarky

12-26-2006, 01:25 PM

Richards is back... and so is Jessica Alba, hooray! While the first movie didn't have the monumental impact on everyone like Spider-Man I and II did, it still was a fun ride and had some really cool scenes in it. Anyways, the movie gets a sequel, titled "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer". Sounds promising, I'd say.

Enough blabla, here's the trailer, released today:

Apple.com - High Resolution Trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/fantasticfourriseofthesilversurfer/large.html)
Youtube - Blurry, crappy, flashtrailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wH4vbMAido)

Seeing how I missed the first part in cinemas back in the day (I can't even remember the movie being in cinemas over here, but I know it was), I'll definitely go and see this one. Even if it's just for the sake of having seen another comic book movie.

And here's a press release pic of Norrin Radd:
http://www.canmag.com/images/front/lap2007/silversurfer1.jpg

Mecha Cow

12-26-2006, 01:39 PM

I admit this sounds kind of petty, but the pupils give the Surfer a human look that I don't usually associate with the character. Still, he's silver and he's a surfer, and that's what matters.

The first movie was bad, but its heart was in the right place. I'll go see this one.

Dr. Doom

12-26-2006, 01:55 PM

RICHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARDS!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.samruby.com/Villains/DoctorDoom/DrDoomChap.gif

gobo

12-26-2006, 02:44 PM

Who could have seen that one coming??

Roseangelo

12-26-2006, 06:04 PM

I really hope this can be a good FF movie!!!

gobo

12-26-2006, 06:33 PM

:blanksta: ... There are too many 'FF's. There's Final Fantasy, Fast Forward, Fantastic Fout, Fuzzy Fondue, Fernando Fonzarelli and Flamboyant Forest. How 'bout we just abbreviate this'n to 'F4'?

DrSpengler

12-26-2006, 06:37 PM

I really hope this can be a good FF movie!!!

My problem with the first flick was that it spent waaaaaayyyyy too much time focusing on their origin and by the time an actual threat (Doom) showed up, the movie was over.

But, now that their set-up is out of the way, a sequel is free to have all the fun it wants. So I have some optimism for this flick, though I'm really not that excited about it.

Spawn Guy

12-26-2006, 06:58 PM

My problem with the first flick was that it spent waaaaaayyyyy too much time focusing on their origin and by the time an actual threat (Doom) showed up, the movie was over.

You just described basically every superhero movie ever.

;)

Roseangelo

12-26-2006, 07:00 PM

My problem with the first flick was that it spent waaaaaayyyyy too much time focusing on their origin and by the time an actual threat (Doom) showed up, the movie was over.

That is exactly how I felt about the first movie. All it was was setup. I was worried that it didn't do well enough to get a sequel, because I felt that it really needed a sequel to give proper attention to what is personally my favorite Marvel comic book.

I'll be going into the new film with cautious optimism.

You just described basically every superhero movie ever.

;)

I know your joking, and technically you're right... but something about the FF movie worked differently so that it really DID feel like two hours of setup. I remember sitting in the theater watching the movie and coming to that realization. I dunno, Spider-Man and other superhero movies just haven't made me think that.

Spawn Guy

12-26-2006, 07:21 PM

I know exactly what you mean. All comic book movies can lag a little when getting into the hero's origion (with the exception of Tim Burtons Batman) but FF...I dunno.

I really didn't feel like I was watching the FF, that close family atmosphere was missing because for everyone ot get onboard we had to go from the beginning. Mostly I just couldn't beleive what they did with Doom. I know it's early and there's no Franklin yet, but where are the bizzare cosmic level threats and feelings of family?

Mandi-chan

12-26-2006, 08:30 PM

I hated the first movie, the ONLY good thing about it was...The Thing!

He was the only interesting character, the only one I cared about, and the only reason I didn't fall asleep or walk out of the theater.

The rest of it was a pile of boring mush that I couldn't wait to see finish...I don't plan of wasting my money on the second one.

But I will keep an eye for it if when it starts airing on tv....

DrSpengler

12-26-2006, 09:12 PM

You just described basically every superhero movie ever.

;)

Heh. True.

FF went overboard, though. I mean, with let's say "Spider-Man", you had Green Goblin fights peppered through-out the film until the final battle.

With Fantastic Four it was 80 minutes of origin and then 10 minutes of villain fighting. And they beat Doom in the most absurd way (hot water is Doom's kryptonite!).

....but YAY! Surfer!

Buslady

12-27-2006, 01:37 AM

FF1 was fine, you hafta start somewhere, start at the beginning. I was satisfied with it. Ben is the best thing about FF anyways. He rocks....pun intended. :P

FF2 hopefully improves. Eeeeeeeeeek poor flameboy! mean ol surfer...

isn't ol flamey playing Casey?

Jester

12-27-2006, 01:42 AM

Yep BL Flame-head is plaing ole Case. I kinda liked the first F4 movie, but I kinda like exposition as well, even thought I knew how it all played out, being a comic book geek.

Brian

12-27-2006, 01:29 PM

I sure hope this one is better than the first one as I am a big F4 fan.

Spawn Guy

12-27-2006, 02:15 PM

Heh. True.

FF went overboard, though. I mean, with let's say "Spider-Man", you had Green Goblin fights peppered through-out the film until the final battle.

With Fantastic Four it was 80 minutes of origin and then 10 minutes of villain fighting. And they beat Doom in the most absurd way (hot water is Doom's kryptonite!).

A kiddies paddling pool at above room temperature? CURSE YOU RICHARDS!

gobo

12-27-2006, 03:48 PM

I haven't seen the first movie still just because I was never particularly impressed with the franchise. I'll get around to it someday. But, I think it's safe to say that everything isn't running smoothly here. I watched the scene officially dubbed a trailer when this thread showed up. While there are great special effects, it all just seemed lacking. Perhaps I wouldn't be so lost had I seen the first movie or read the books, but was I supposed to have any idea whose wedding that was? Other than that, they just insulted their ability as film-makers by calling that a trailer. It was NOT an overview. People who don't care for comic properties or haven't seen the prequel will be turned off by this apparent laziness. As for my thoughts on the trailer, it gave me no reason to care about the characters. Other than some cool special effects, I see no reason to go out of my way to see it. But, a lot can change by the premiere date.

Anarky

12-27-2006, 04:03 PM

Gobo, if you've seen the first movie, the scenes will be pretty self-explanatory. And while I agree with your "That's not a trailer" statement, I kind of seem to have forgotten who made the law of what a trailer should consist of.

Also, the first movie wasn't bad. It just wasn't as amazingly good as it could have been. It's not the kind of movie you sit through in awe, afraid to blink because you might miss something. It's more like a good popcornflick you can enjoy on an evening you don't feel like heavy stuff on TV.

Jester

12-27-2006, 05:37 PM

Exactly why I liked it, it didn't try to hard, it just was what it was.

and Gobo, buddy, the answer is which members of the F4 are married or would be getting married?? ;)

gobo

12-27-2006, 05:58 PM

So, the answer is "look it up", huh? :P My sister has the first one on DVD, so I'll check it out soon.

Brodie

12-27-2006, 06:52 PM

Also, the first movie wasn't bad. It just wasn't as amazingly good as it could have been.

I couldn't agree more with you. This movie gets so much ****, but you have to consider the source material. The comics were never amazingly violent, they were adventure comics. Its a comic about family, and its made for people who read comics, and also geared towards families. Thats the basis to the whole dynamic. Its a family (though not all related (Ben)), and them dealing with their powers, and dealing with each other. But at the same time, very light hearted. Johnny and Ben's dynamic is the prime example. They have the powers to destroy people, physically, but they usually spend time slapping whipped cream on each other's faces while they sleep.

People who expected this movie to be a dark, serious comic book movie, ala' Batman Begins, or (GAG) Spider-Man, were sadly mistaken. But they shouldn't have been.

Spike Spiegel

12-27-2006, 07:37 PM

Hopefully this movie will be good...perhaps there will be a silver surfer spin off film like there was a Silver Surfer spin-off comic?

And hopefully we will see more of Jessica Alba???:D :o :lol:

Spawn Guy

12-28-2006, 07:23 AM

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/322960

Anarky

12-28-2006, 09:20 AM

Hahahahahaha!

Doom: Hey, Annihilus!
Annihilus: BRAAHAGGLGLAARRGGAALAAAAH!!!
*beep*

Brodie

12-28-2006, 05:37 PM

I wonder if Pia Guerra actually did any voices...He's the penciler on Y: The Last Man...

MadPirateBunny

12-28-2006, 06:03 PM

scooby Doo!!!

Anarky

12-28-2006, 06:44 PM

I wonder if Pia Guerra actually did any voices...He's the penciler on Y: The Last Man...

Pia Guerra is a she. See picture below.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6103/piaguerra2csigningpo4.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6103/piaguerra2csigningpo4.jpg)

And Pia Guerra was the voice of Jessica Alba in the cartoon. It says so somewhere in either the creator's comment to the video or in the video itself.

EDIT: After watching the intro of the video again, it says there "Pia Guerra as Jessica Alba", so it's in the video.

Roseangelo

12-28-2006, 07:02 PM

Hah! That's pretty awesome.

Brodie

12-28-2006, 09:42 PM

Huh, didn't know it was a she. Neat.

And I didn't know if she did any voices because I didnt watch it, I just looked at the artist's comment.

discordiatookie

12-29-2006, 12:48 PM

that trailer looks awesome! i dig the first movie, how can i not with jessica alba in that figure hugging suit! plus, the thing was pretty awesome! i enjoy comic book movies, even when they are pants, they pass a coupla hours and normally have some pretty cool bits in em!

Spawn Guy

12-29-2006, 01:06 PM

Huh, didn't know it was a she. Neat.

And I didn't know if she did any voices because I didnt watch it, I just looked at the artist's comment.

Watch it. Trust me, its not your typical Newgrounds garbage.

Spike Spiegel

12-30-2006, 01:48 PM

Wow, some some stuff on Newgrounds is actually good...

Ultimate Doom is funny.

This guy's other stuff is great too--you should watch all of them.

Jester

12-30-2006, 02:01 PM

"My Sue's underage, so we may not wanna risk being put on some sexual preditors list." Priceless....

Spawn Guy

12-31-2006, 04:58 PM

"Actually Ultimate Doom and myself don't wear armour. Our skin is made out of metal."

"Really?"

"Yeah, I got a cut on my face and it just spread from there."

"is it an infection?"

"Ew, gross!"

"For me I just tore off my skin and there it was. Oh, and I have goat legs."

Duke

01-01-2007, 12:43 AM

The trailer looked really good. I'm looking forward to these sequel because I've always been a huge fan of the Silver Surfer.

Spawn Guy

01-01-2007, 11:54 AM

Wonder what they'll do with Galactus. CGI, duh, but I mean how will they redesign him?

Spike Spiegel

01-02-2007, 10:28 AM

He will probably look really shiny and angular like a giant machine instead of a giant guy in a costume...I hope.

And what will Doom have to do with any of this at all besides yelling "CURSE YOU, RICHARDS!" ?

Spawn Guy

01-02-2007, 03:33 PM

He'll crash the wedding. In a tux that looks better than Johnny’s! And he'll eat all the good buffet food and leave every one with those weird little appetizers that nobody eats!

Seriously, he'll probably try to steal the Surfer's power.

Anarky

01-02-2007, 03:37 PM

If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say Galactus will have the Surfer as his Herald at the beginning, like in the comic books. Then, as the movie's main plot, I imagine the FF trying to stop Galactus from munching away on earth with the Silver Surfer as their ally.That way his origin would be true to the comics and fairly interesting.

Doom will probably be there and do more pointless stuff, like in the first film. I doubt they can give Movie-Doom a decent storyline after they completely wrecked him in the first film.

EDIT: Unless of course they're going a bold new way and show Doom ascending in Latveria or any other obscure country (read: Not the USA, since they're civilized) and they'll pit him against the FF at their second try of the Richards/Storm wedding as a sort of Cliffhanger for a possible third film.

Spike Spiegel

01-03-2007, 06:45 AM

Doom will probably be there and do more pointless stuff, like in the first film. I doubt they can give Movie-Doom a decent storyline after they completely wrecked him in the first film.

That was exactly what I was thinking. Movieverse Doom is useless.

Mecha Cow

01-03-2007, 09:57 AM

I hope he has a better voice this time around...

Death's Head

01-03-2007, 04:59 PM

I'm interested in seeing how Silver Surfer and Galactus will be protrayed. I mean, will Galactus still be a required part of the universe? Or will Surfer still be capable of ascending the speed of light? I doubt it, considering movie variations of comic book characters are depicted as inferior to their 616-counterparts in the extents of their abilities. None the less, I suspect the only thing that could save everyone from Big G's onslaught is Reed Richard's intelliect.

Raph's Girl

04-18-2007, 01:56 PM

The description of Galactus in the movie came out today....

And....he's a cloud... a fraking rain cloud.... WTF?! :ohwell:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32330

Death's Head

04-18-2007, 02:56 PM

I won't believe it, intill I hear from official sources. Tim Story stated that Galactus's design would satisfy most people. He better keep his word, or hate will follow, and he'll prove that he doesn't think outside the box.

That Matt Guy

04-18-2007, 03:07 PM

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32330

F*CK!

Why can't they just use the Ultimate Alliance design?

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7473/clipboard01xi4.jpg

Anarky

04-18-2007, 03:22 PM

Because maybe that doesn't look like Laurence Fishburne at all and they feel that a could is a better Fishburne than a humanoid thing. And besides, clouds are all the rage since the one in the first Hulk Movie was such a cool villain.

But then again, I don't believe anything until I've seen a computer rendering.

ZariusTwo

04-18-2007, 03:24 PM

The storm cloud could easily be being taken out of context, the cliffhanger could be the storm, and Galactus descends on Earth in the third movie, the cloud may just be the beggining of his arrival.

Mecha Cow

04-18-2007, 03:32 PM

That Matt Guy

04-18-2007, 03:35 PM

Because maybe that doesn't look like Laurence Fishburne at all and they feel that a could is a better Fishburne than a humanoid thing.

And Darth Vader doesn't look like James Earl Jones, so apperance should be irrelevant.

The storm cloud could easily be being taken out of context, the cliffhanger could be the storm, and Galactus descends on Earth in the third movie, the cloud may just be the beggining of his arrival.

That's what I would like to think.

Raph's Girl

04-18-2007, 03:36 PM

And what's this about Fishburne?

Lawrence Fishburne has been cast as the voice of Galactus.

Mecha Cow

04-18-2007, 03:41 PM

For real? So much for the invisible threat angle then.

That Matt Guy

04-18-2007, 03:41 PM

Seriously, a giant dude in purple tights and space armor would look ridiculous on film anyway.

You don't think this (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e45/666Viking/galactus.jpg) would look cool on screen? It would be far more accurate to the source material than a f*cking thunderstorm.

Revan

04-18-2007, 03:52 PM

So is the Silver Surfer evil? I always thought he was a hero.

Mecha Cow

04-18-2007, 04:06 PM

You don't think this would look cool on screen? It would be far more accurate to the source material than a f*cking thunderstorm.

That is a much better design than the 60's one I am familiar with. Still, I think a giant space guy would be pretty strange in a movie. I know it's based on comics and all that but in a film there needs to be some sense of believability. Like I said in my previous post, I think Ultimate Galactus would work best here.

And the Surfer will most likely 'switch sides' in the course of the story. Hell, I'm pretty sure they already said he would. It's a pretty integral part of the character anyway.

ZariusTwo

04-18-2007, 04:52 PM

Seriously, a giant dude in purple tights and space armor would look ridiculous on film anyway. They're better off not showing Galactus at all and having him as an invisible threat, in which case a dark cloud would work just fine. If they must show him, they should go with the Ultimate version, which may be lame but is at least believable

Ah, here we go, the "realism" Nazis strike again

The Silver Surfer looks homoerotic, always did, and there keeping his form in the film when they could have put speedos on him. You have NO argument. At all

Dr. Doom

04-18-2007, 05:49 PM

How does he look homoerotic?

Anarky

04-18-2007, 06:46 PM

He's naked? I mean, he might be silvery all over, but he's still naked. Very naked.

Dr. Doom

04-18-2007, 07:34 PM

He's clothed in.....silver? There's nothing homoerotic about being aerodynamic.

Nothing NECESSARILY homoerotic.

Anarky

04-18-2007, 07:41 PM

You forget the geek-factor. If comic book fans can point at things and call them "Hesh like shoooo gay hehehehehe *snort*", then they can sleep better at night. So therefore they find gayness in everything.

Raven

04-18-2007, 09:56 PM

The silver surfer looks gay? Thats a new one.

They really thought that making galactus a storm cloud is a good idea? Mabey its a good way to save some money so they can spend more on other things but....really?

ZariusTwo

04-19-2007, 12:44 AM

The silver surfer looks gay? Thats a new one

Yeah, it was just a bogus argument I used to counter a bogus argument.. "Realism Nazis" are ruining the chances for movies to try something that attempts to break the bounderies of what we beleive is possible.

Raven

04-19-2007, 12:51 AM

Yeah, it was just a bogus argument I used to counter a bogus argument.. "Realism Nazis" are ruining the chances for movies to try something that attempts to break the bounderies of what we beleive is possible.

Ah, I see now. Damn I feel a little stupid now.

Mecha Cow

04-19-2007, 09:48 AM

Ah, here we go, the "realism" Nazis strike again
It's hilarious to be called a Nazi by you of all people. For the record, I'm not even talking about realism, but don't let that stop you.

My 'argument' was that some things that may work in comics don't always work in movies. I don't suppose the word 'adaption' rings a bell here. Perhaps some 'comic book Nazis' need to realise they are two different media? That's not even a matter of opinion, and only you could interpret it as hostile.

You are out of this world, dude. Now go find someone else to bother.

*E* Apparently Fishburne is voicing the Surfer (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963368.html?categoryid=13&cs=1), not Galactus.

Raph's Girl

04-19-2007, 08:16 PM

*E* Apparently Fishburne is voicing the Surfer (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963368.html?categoryid=13&cs=1), not Galactus.

Yep...apperantly they're not even sure if the big scary cloud will even talk so Fishburne's voicing Silver Surfer instead.

majesty329

04-22-2007, 01:12 PM

I doesn't matter to me what they do I have no plans of watching it anyway I didn't like the first and I don't see how this one can be any better.

Spawn Guy

04-25-2007, 03:15 PM

The Surfers in it and we might actually get more than one fight scene.

Mecha Cow

04-25-2007, 04:21 PM

Not bad (http://www.filmick.co.uk/2007/04/new-fantastic-four-2-stills-first-look.html)...

That Matt Guy

04-25-2007, 04:36 PM

I like that shot of Thing drinking three pitchers of beer.

Spawn Guy

04-25-2007, 04:48 PM

Doom looks kind of like back in the 616 where he went all magic and stichy.

Buslady

06-18-2007, 06:22 PM

I didnt see a thread for this one...anybody see it yet?
JUst so I can yap about it, I'll stick everything I say in spoiler tags...

Okay...anyways, I enjoyed it. Some funny laughs...in the kitchen ben was giving alicia a cute little kiss and johnny's there watching...he's all..'so how do you....?' and ben's ran after him 'thats none of you business!' it was great! haha! flameboy was really good in it. he stood out, he's learning about this hero gig and how to handle it but he still loves the attention.
yeah im not a great reviewer....
theres alot of family stuff, reed's learning to juggle family life w/ hero life...i like the family stuff. character development...and the bad guy stuff was great. the surfer is cool. i dont know much about him, galactus and all that..but i liked it on screen.

i think fans of F4 will be happy with it..dont compare it to comics, things that work in comics sometimes dont work on screen. it told a cool story. And i think there'll be another.

Revan

06-18-2007, 06:25 PM

I have not seen it yet so don't spoil anything when I ask, did the PG rating hurt the movie in any way or did it work out ok?

Buslady

06-18-2007, 06:44 PM

I have not seen it yet so don't spoil anything when I ask, did the PG rating hurt the movie in any way or did it work out ok?

nah it was fine. just go see, grab some popcorn & a soda and have fun.

DrSpengler

06-18-2007, 06:56 PM

My review. (http://www.filmsy.com/sequel/fantastic-four-rise-of-the-silver-surfer-review/)

I honestly hated it. Not just because of what they did to Galactus, but for the acting, the pacing, the characters and the rushed story. They should've spread the Surfer/Galactus story out across 2 movies.

Revan

06-18-2007, 06:58 PM

My review. (http://www.filmsy.com/sequel/fantastic-four-rise-of-the-silver-surfer-review/)

Ouch... just... ouch!:lol:

Why is it that nearly every comic book movie is hated I wonder?

MrPliggins

06-18-2007, 08:14 PM

I thought it was exactly as good as I thought it'd be. I didn't expect it to be great or terrible, just somewhere in between.

The special effects on Reed were probably the worst, but I don't know how you would make it look cool....

The Surfer was done well, despite the character being dated and slightly cheesy (a silver guy surfing through space...cool in the 60s I guess)...

Didn't really like Jessica Alba as Sue, her and Reed didn't have a whole lot of chemistry. What does she see in him? Oh wait..I know...

Anyway....fun popcorn movie overall, but don't expect a masterpiece.

Scandia

06-18-2007, 08:33 PM

It was awesome. Shows that you can make a good movie that lasts less than 2 hours. Galactus was quite different than the Galactus I am familiar with- the tall purple guy. Susan's wedding dress was ugly and the veil was just plain ridiculous. But otherwise it was good.

Buslady

06-18-2007, 09:45 PM

Nobody can expect a comic book movie to be perfect, not even TMNT. When someone criticises a movie based on comics, I'd like to see them do better and under budget.

ZariusTwo

06-18-2007, 11:14 PM

You want to see someone do better? How about I name ONE episode of the 1990's series second season that does better under budget?

"Beyond A Distant Star"

I despised the first movie, it was a commercilised satire on comic heroes, sadly the one thing Hollywood never seem to think about is the real core of the team. There a family, but in Hollywood and mindless popcorn audiences, "family"=comedy. Yes, The Thing and The Torch have fights, yes Reed and Sue have "married life" arguments, but there's also the social drama they have in the comics, the raising of a child, two now, the day to day operations of being a public, and the only PUBLIC, supehero team in New York affecting their lives on a daily basis, it's not all pomp and circumstance.

The original 1990s series made the same mistake, the first season tried looking at the FF as public superheroes, it was petty, unreallistic, and groan-inducing lines and fighting a LANDLORD over their property. The second season decided to ignore the public aspect and focused on the internal family problems, the adolescense of Johnny Storm, the frustration a domesticated Sue had, The Thing and Alicia Masters relationship deepening etc. Heck, watch the Silver Surfer series or the Galactus episodes of the 90's series second season to see how a REAL FF movie could be handled

FF 2 had no story, FF 2 felt like the first half of a longer movie that never left the middle act, and based half of it's plot on a storyline that the 1990's series had to reuse TWICE to get right. Is it better than the first? Yes, but it still spits on the legacy of the Fantastic Four with dull acting, abysmal dialouge, and commercial products, and the continuous beleif the team should be played for laughs due to the "family" dynamic.

shuriken

06-18-2007, 11:24 PM

Well some comic book movies are just plain bad, not because the viewers thought they didn't stick to the comics, but because they were just bad. A lot of stuff that would be cool in comic books would not be in live action films. Just for an example, has anyone seen the Captain America movie from the eighties? It was not that great. The idea was ok, but the pacing, excecution, acting, it all sucked.
The same thing applies for the newer Punisher movie. They just drag out a simple revenge story, unnecessary. But as for the Fantastic Four movies, I have not seen.
I'm not saying that there can be no good movie based on a comic book/ graphic novel. I mean there are plenty of exaples like The Spiderman movies, Batman(although the 60s one was weak and so was Batman and Robin), Spiderman, X-Men, hell even the Crow. well I should stop now I'm just ranting...:|

ZariusTwo

06-18-2007, 11:30 PM

mean there are plenty of exaples like The Spiderman movies, Batman(although the 60s one was weak and so was Batman and Robin)

The Adam West film is a cult masterpeice and a PRECISE adaptation of what the Batman comics were at the time, how is it "weak?"

Dr. Doom

06-19-2007, 08:20 AM

Buslady

06-19-2007, 08:45 AM

You want to see someone do better? How about I name ONE episode of the 1990's series second season that does better under budget?

"Beyond A Distant Star"

I despised the first movie, it was a commercilised satire on comic heroes,

and all these other Marvel and DC based movies aren't? they're all there to make money no matter how good or bad they are, they'll make a buck.

sadly the one thing Hollywood never seem to think about is the real core of the team. There a family, but in Hollywood and mindless popcorn audiences, "family"=comedy. Yes, The Thing and The Torch have fights, yes Reed and Sue have "married life" arguments, but there's also the social drama they have in the comics, the raising of a child, two now, the day to day operations of being a public, and the only PUBLIC, supehero team in New York affecting their lives on a daily basis, it's not all pomp and circumstance.

The original 1990s series made the same mistake, the first season tried looking at the FF as public superheroes, it was petty, unreallistic, and groan-inducing lines and fighting a LANDLORD over their property. The second season decided to ignore the public aspect and focused on the internal family problems, the adolescense of Johnny Storm, the frustration a domesticated Sue had, The Thing and Alicia Masters relationship deepening etc. Heck, watch the Silver Surfer series or the Galactus episodes of the 90's series second season to see how a REAL FF movie could be handled

FF 2 had no story, FF 2 felt like the first half of a longer movie that never left the middle act, and based half of it's plot on a storyline that the 1990's series had to reuse TWICE to get right. Is it better than the first? Yes, but it still spits on the legacy of the Fantastic Four with dull acting, abysmal dialouge, and commercial products, and the continuous beleif the team should be played for laughs due to the "family" dynamic.

Wow the 1990s series was so popular i didn't even know it existed. :ohwell:

Scandia

06-19-2007, 10:20 AM

For some reason, I have liked all versions of the Fantastic Four. Except the one where the stupid little robot replaced Johnny. The 1990s one was good- what few episodes I saw of it. The movies have been good so far. The original 60s one was good before the stupid switch. And the few comics I have read of them have been good as well.

ZariusTwo

06-19-2007, 12:38 PM

and all these other Marvel and DC based movies aren't? :

There's small product placement in all of them, but none of them did it as blatantly as FF and Spider-Man, and the former did it WITHOUT substance

For some reason, I have liked all versions of the Fantastic Four. Except the one where the stupid little robot replaced Johnny. The 1990s one was good- what few episodes I saw of it.

Which season? Because if you honestly liked what is largely considered the most abysmal series of ANY Marvel cartoon (season one), your tastes suck. Plain and simple.

Buslady

06-19-2007, 01:18 PM

There's small product placement in all of them, but none of them did it as blatantly as FF and Spider-Man, and the former did it WITHOUT substance

Sorry I was talking about the blatant product placement plus all the products out there that they stick in your face to buy. The Spinderman toys, bedding, stationary, decor.....this kinda stuff I thought you were also including :P Every superhero movie has alla this stuff, it's all to make a buck.

I like to think those involved with making the actual film, are in it first for the experience and fun second for the pay. I'd make a terrible actress. I'd do it for fun.

DrSpengler

06-19-2007, 04:01 PM

There was only one, blatantly obvious reason I was interested in seeing it. I was curious whether or not it was enough of an improvement from the last film to bother. Based on the fact that you vdon't see Doom but for a split second in any of the trailers or commercials, and the fact that nobody's even mentioned him yet, I'd guess that I should stay away. Honestly, I'd sit through an awful movie if Doom was the only redeeming quality.

Well, I covered my thoughts on their version of Doom in my review I linked to. He's just as bad as he was in the first flick, only now he has more goofy Silver Age one-liners ("Cum 'n git it, RICHAAAAAARDS!" and possibly the worst, "Let's go for a SPIN!" after creating a tornado with the Power Cosmic).