Anyone Worried TMNT Will Fail? [Archive]

PacMan2005

01-16-2003, 02:14 AM

I'm not really worried, but I was just thinking about this. If TMNT is a success, that means more shows, figures, movies, publicity, etc.

But what if it fails? They could pack up everything TMNT related and not ressurect it for 20 years. And even if it is a success, how long can TMNT stay around? I don't see it having the lasting power of a Spider-Man or Batman. Hell, the movie came out the same year as "Batman" did and if I say I like TMNT, I almost feel it's a guilty pleasure even though it shouldn't be...as where Batman is just a great well known character and movie in comparison in the minds of many.

Karpo_007

01-16-2003, 03:47 AM

beaker

01-16-2003, 05:46 AM

Well Even if the TMNT cartoon will fail, The Mirage comic will stay.

And I know what you mean... Most people don't know the True TMNT, only the goofy pizza eating klowns. Stil almost everyone Knows that Batman is Dark. I think the problem is the way they made the first cartoon. Because they made it goofy, thats's how most people will remember it.

Batman TAS, on the other hand, were done Dark from the start. Of course the Great 2 first movies helped the Batman's Image too. Well Now Mirage is learning from it's mistake, And is doing a Darker TMNT show.

Exactly. It's all about perception. It's like the problem facing the Muppets; people think they are old news kiddy stuff. So there is work to be done.
Do you guys remember how by 1990 TMNT was beyond mainstream? Forget Power Rangers, these guys were like sickeningly mainstream. So it is nice to see em in a new light, to where they should be.

As for Batman, IMHO its like the first TMNT...this great dark and edgy late 80's film and then a bunch of horrific 90's sequels. So yes, good to see a much different take on the TMNT cartoon, from the character designs and story arc ideas this should be pretty darn good...and what weve been wanting for 12 and a half years.

Shellfox

01-16-2003, 10:20 AM

Kids today are morons, who can't sit and watch anything unless it involves brightly colored monsters tring to kill each other. If it was on Cable, then they'd have a chance but only the old fans will probly keep the TMNT alive, that ot they have to go monster of the day if they make it to next season.

I know that has little to do with the topic, but its Fox, the show will be dead after 1 season probly, so enjoy it and pray they show the end more than once

tekcop

01-16-2003, 10:34 AM

I know that has little to do with the topic, but its Fox, the show will be dead after 1 season probly, so enjoy it and pray they show the end more than once
Nah, I believe the show will have some success. Probably about as much as Jackie Chan Adventures (which doesn't have a monster of the week).

Karpo_007

01-16-2003, 10:41 AM

Actually that Im what Im guessing too. Fox has a way of doing things that way. Well I haven't totally lost hope yet, But Im afraid that might happen.

By the way, is 4kids somehow connected to fox? If not, there is a chance it could continue on another channel.

HorseTechie

01-16-2003, 11:09 AM

Or the question should be... when the TMNT fail as a mainstream attraction, will you still keep the faith?

IMO, the TMNT had never failed since they first came out. Us diehard fans won't let it! We just continue chatting amongst ourselves, writing stories, drawing pictures, and reliving the old times as if nothing ever happened. :D

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan

01-16-2003, 12:11 PM

I'm most certainly worried the new cartoon will fail. While I hope it doesn't, there is always the chance that today's audience will think of the Ninja Turtles as passe, something that was popular a long time ago and that can't cut it in today's world.

Yeah, yeah, I know all the hardcore fans of the Ninja Turtles will tune in. I, myself, will probably check out the new cartoon just to get a feel for it. But will it have staying power?

We can profess our love for the Ninja Turtles all we want, but if the public doesn't warm up to it, our Heroes in a Halfshell are history.

Just because several of us here at the Technodrome forums want it to be a success doesn't mean millions of people around the world will want it to be a success.

"It's so hard to find good help these days." - Shredder, from "The Foot Soldiers Are Revolting"

Karpo_007

01-16-2003, 12:44 PM

Thw problem is, even if it becomes a success, It might not have a second season... Fox has made decisions like that manytimes.

Supermik

01-16-2003, 02:24 PM

Hi Gang,

The first series (season 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994) was a very success, i remember when the TMNT exited in Italy all the child were crazy for the Turtles. They weren't publicized on TV but when i watched the first episode i loved them (i love TMNT also now).
The toys when exited in the shop without publicity on TV they ended as soon as they appeard.

I think that Movies worried pubblic and the last series of cartoon (Turtles grove, they are designed very bad) was a FLOP.

I think new cartoon series fail.
I think also that we are the last TMNT fan (we= people that were born in the years 1975 - 1987)

Donatello02

01-16-2003, 02:34 PM

I don't think it will fail if they stick to the original plot of the comic. Also, if they DO make a new movie, it would be wicked kick ass if Wes Craven did it. Man, that would be the best. It would give TMNT a new meaning. Have like Krang or somethin in it. Maybe even Bacter Stockman.

Karpo_007

01-16-2003, 02:36 PM

Well like I said, even if it is a success, it might not see a second season, atleast on Fox. I

Nickokapo

01-16-2003, 03:02 PM

Yep i did thought about the new toon failing, and it's a big possibility but i don't think it will...
I don't like to speculate so i'll just wait and see what happens :D

Eye of Sarnath

01-16-2003, 03:06 PM

It won't fail. Every time, the TMNT have proved to be very popular, if it's the cartoon, the comic books, or TNM. Why shouldn't this latest incarnation be popular? If things go like they have in the past, TMNT will soon be one of the most popular things.

Mondo_Gecko

01-16-2003, 03:06 PM

I'm just gunna take it as it is and just see what happens

Snailman

01-16-2003, 03:38 PM

Well Even if the TMNT cartoon will fail, The Mirage comic will stay.

Thats true, the comic book was around after TMNT toys & cartoons left, even if the Image series wasn't all that much like the original one, it was still a TMNT comic book.

And I know what you mean... Most people don't know the True TMNT, only the goofy pizza eating klowns. Stil almost everyone Knows that Batman is Dark. I think the problem is the way they made the first cartoon. Because they made it goofy, thats's how most people will remember it.

Batman TAS, on the other hand, were done Dark from the start. Of course the Great 2 first movies helped the Batman's Image too. Well Now Mirage is learning from it's mistake, And is doing a Darker TMNT show.

::nods:: Exactly. A friend of a friend that hangs out with everyone each tuesday was talking to me & a friend of mine 2 days ago. We began talking about the new TMNT cartoon show & he was really adament about it. He was like "Oh, great, another TMNT show, I'm not going to be watching that @#%$.". I showed him the new issue of ToyFare with the article about the new TMNT cartoon & explained to him that the pizza-lovin' surfer dude turtles weren't going to be in this cartoon. After looking through the issue he said it didn't sound that bad & maybe he'll give it a try.

So it's pretty true that most of the public still see them as that. Batman got turned around in the movies. The 60's show was goofy as anything, but the new movie was alot different- & darker too.

I'm most certainly worried the new cartoon will fail. While I hope it doesn't, there is always the chance that today's audience will think of the Ninja Turtles as passe, something that was popular a long time ago and that can't cut it in today's world.

I dunno...TMNT is technically an 80's thing, and alot of 80's stuff (Transformers, G.I.Joe,Masters of the Universe, Thundercats, etc.) is back & still popular. The toyline came out in 88', & it's 2003 now, so thats been like 14-15 years since it's debut.

Hey, the original TMNT toyline lasted for, what, like 5-6 years? I know they had a 5 year aniversary in 92', so they managed to stick around for 5 years & then a few years longer then that. Whats not to like about mutant animals, aliens & robots running around? Thats fun, for anybody.

I honestly think it will do well, maybe not as much as it was in the begining, but it might do well enough to surive for another 5 year anniversary in 2008. :D

-Snailman

raphael90

01-16-2003, 03:45 PM

I still have this nagging fear the Turtle rebirth might die out. I'm not terribly worried either because I accepted the Turtle's 'dying' on the market long ago (or at least part of me did...I still wish from time to time they were on full throttle :D )

Even if they never make another killing on the market again, I'm glad to know that there are still hundreds of loyal fans out there.

Dontebell

01-16-2003, 03:45 PM

if the show do fail will playmate still make figures of them?

raphael90

01-16-2003, 03:54 PM

I would say no if the show fails, but what do I know? :lol:

I hope they make a cool line of figures! And I hope I can get 'em all before they become collector's items! :D

Karpo_007

01-16-2003, 04:45 PM

Well The only problem here is FOX. I have fate that people will like the new show, even those who hated the old one.

Just speculating, but if FOX funds 26 episodes for the first season, It could be a good sign... Well let's hope for the best.

Snailman

01-16-2003, 07:26 PM

I would say no if the show fails, but what do I know? :lol:

I hope they make a cool line of figures! And I hope I can get 'em all before they become collector's items! :D

Me too. I hope we at least get a new figure of Leatherhead, but this time he should look how he did in his 1st appearence in issue #45 of the original Mirage comic series. Like, he better be at least 8 inches long & have an articulated jaw, otherwise I'll be ticked. The early figure did not do the character justice- he was like, what, 4" long? They could at least have made him 6" long or somethin', he always looked so tiny. The figure was cool & is one of my favorites, but I'd really like to see him done a bit larger.

-Snailman

Karpo_007

01-16-2003, 08:22 PM

First appearnace in issue #45? He was in Tales of TMNT many years earlier...

Snailman

01-18-2003, 02:08 AM

Really? Oh, I just kinda assumed it was his first appearence as it was the only issue I saw on the ninjaturtles.com site that mentioned him.

Guess I shoulda done my research before just sayin' so. :D

-Snailman

Karpo_007

01-18-2003, 06:06 AM

I wonder why the official page hasn't put any info on them.... I mean they have most of the volume 1 issues already...

Tokka-B

01-18-2003, 07:29 PM

This show is going to flop and don't say i didn't warn you....The only way it can do well is if new young kids who have never seen the old show start to like it, as people tend to like what they first see, common human nature...There aren't many people that will be like huh? tmnt? on february 8th....I can tell you that... :cry:

Karpo_007

01-18-2003, 07:36 PM

You can't know it will flop... Why wouldn't kids like it?

Tokka-B

01-18-2003, 07:42 PM

no, kids would like it, just people who have seen the old series before won't like it....

Karpo_007

01-18-2003, 07:45 PM

No, most people here have said they can't wait for the show to start.

Tokka-B

01-18-2003, 07:55 PM

Of course they can't, you just watch how many smiles will turn into frowns when it actually debuts...can't bear to think of it... :(

Karpo_007

01-18-2003, 08:01 PM

And why would that happen? Thhey know the goofy TMNT is not coming back, and they still think they will like it. Most people have even said they like ALL the new voices...

Kid Icarus

01-20-2003, 12:15 AM

I think it's gonna do really well. I've been building up a buzz among my friends, and a lot of the older kids at card tournaments that I go to. I even took my new Giant Donnie with me to show off the new look, and they all liked it. I've also gotten my nephew whos 3 hooked (he always wants to watch the first movie.) and my neice whos 9 loves the videogames.

Also, Tokka, why are you always so negative about things :-? ? Yeah, I'm new, but I've been reading the boards for a while.

Tokka-B

01-20-2003, 12:31 AM

Don't think of it as being negative...but taking the other side a lot...I love debating...

Btw, Welcome to the forum! :)

Psycrow

01-20-2003, 12:56 AM

Hm... if the series fails, atleast the toys will end up being cheaper... :D

Karpo_007

01-20-2003, 02:12 AM

Only thing that worries me is Fox.

cable04

01-21-2003, 04:13 PM

here's what i think
please don't just disregard me because this is my first day here, for i do have some points to make

i think the show will do very well
like karpo_007 [can i call you karpo?], FOX worries me. foxbox seems to be airing nothing but garbage currently, and they have proven their incompetence before

TMNT has a cult following, so i don't know how many new kids will like it, but every one i tell at school has gotten excited when i tell them about it!

also, batman TAS was very well done. it wasn't as dark as batman was in the eighties, but it definately was not goofy

also, i skimmed a few of the episode synopsis [just very scantily... i want to be surprized] and it does not seem like it will have the preverbial "monster of the week" as some shows do

also, i'm pretty happy with the voice cast. leo sounds kinda corny, and april is the same person as ash ketchum, but other than that, it's pretty good

Karpo_007

01-21-2003, 04:23 PM

Yeah Fox has a pretty bad reputation in cancelling good shows... But then again, They have used a lot of money to advertaise the show, so that can be considered as a good sign. And welcome to the board, and please switch to normal text...

heretic888

01-21-2003, 05:56 PM

Fox has been advertizing the absolute piss outta the tmnt series..... i think they are really, really hoping to make this their 'main' show. the potential for this series is just so good......

Karpo_007

01-21-2003, 05:59 PM

Main show is a good choice of words, The rest of the Fox box is crap. There is no nice way saying it.

heretic888

01-21-2003, 06:03 PM

stargate infinitey HAD potential, but they just handled it so poorly. Ultimate Muscle is amusing, but kinds stupid. kirby, ultraman, and fighting foodons are just crap.

Nturtle

01-21-2003, 06:14 PM

Well I can't think of one good fox cartoon, ever. Fox is a really horrible channel in the first place, so I think they are couning on TMNT to pull it out of the dumps

heretic888

01-21-2003, 09:15 PM

ummmm..... what about x-men or spiderman or batman??

Karpo_007

01-21-2003, 09:40 PM

Atleast Spider-man and Batman they cancelled...

cable04

01-22-2003, 03:13 PM

well... x-men isn't still on, so i'm guessing they cancelled it
and batman switched networks because it's owned by WB

[thanks for welcoming me, and...uh... can i keep the dodger blue color if i make the size normal?]

Karpo_007

01-22-2003, 04:30 PM

It doesn't bother me... And I think that 4kids own the rights to the cartoon, So if it will become popular and Fox decides to cancell it, Maybe someone else will pic it up. But It is clear that Fox does some heavy advertaising on the New show, It can be considered a good sign. I guess they figured oyt that they need atleast one kid's' show not full of crap.

lhb412

01-22-2003, 09:13 PM

Well being a big Japanese Fantasy fan I realy like Ultraman Tiga (Although the original 1966 Ultraman is much better) However they completely screwed up the dubb, their line of reasoning must be something like this: "We're loosing the kids attention spans, dubb in a lame fart joke!"
and the hero: Diago's voice is totally off
Hopefully Fox Box will lighten up on this approach, especialy for the third season: Ultraman Gaia, which is all about the end of the world, in the last epp two Ultramen battle a horde of demons that blot out the sun and a big huge angel.

Anyway back to topic: I'm just glad that we're getting 26 new eppisodes of TMNT, if we get anymore: Great! But if not I won't be disappointed, and we got some awesome new action figures, so be happy!

cable04

01-24-2003, 04:12 PM

i don't think it'll switch networks, 4kids owns fox now

Karpo_007

01-24-2003, 04:13 PM

4kids owns fox?

lhb412

01-24-2003, 07:00 PM

No, they just run the Fox Box.

Karpo_007

01-24-2003, 07:01 PM

Oh... So then it is up to them if the show gets a second season. That gives us more hope!

MzTheInsomniac

01-25-2003, 02:40 PM

4kids owns that timeslot, so they decide what goes on their

Karpo_007

01-25-2003, 04:25 PM

And since the Toys are seling well even before cartoon is airing, and Fox can't mess things up, the future looks bright.

lhb412

01-25-2003, 08:27 PM

And since the Toys are seling well even before cartoon is airing, and Fox can't mess things up, the future looks bright.

Tell me about it! the toys are flying off shelves! I see TMNT toys in places like Wal-Mart and TRU then return a day later and find that they've all sold out, (Even the shell cycles!) Luckily I got to TRU right when they got a new shipment in and finally got my Shredder figure! :)

Tokka-B

01-25-2003, 09:03 PM

Hey, who knows? Maybe the toys will be the cushion in case the new show isn't all that great, and they will be able to continue it or make it better...

Wingnut

01-25-2003, 09:43 PM

if the new show doesen't fly the toys will keep the spirit alive,im mean they're flying off the shelves and the show has not even started yet.I mean think how high the demand will be once the show airs and all the three year olds see them and then they'll want them,it'll never end

Keno

01-26-2003, 12:51 AM

i think they are really, really hoping to make this their 'main' show.

I was actually thinking about that too, yesterday when I was watching it thinking some of these shows are crap but the new TMNT show looks almost out of place on tha tline up, maybe they're just putting all their hope into one show, for it to do good?

Eye of Sarnath

01-26-2003, 01:02 AM

Yeah, Fox Box is putting A LOT behind the new show... they want to make sure all the kids know about it, and they're doing a good job of it, too, I think.

Yay! Funky blue font. Me likes. :D

cable04

01-26-2003, 09:58 AM

i was watching FOX BOX during commercial breaks, and every time they would show something TMNT related
it was GREAT!

[alright! another person who uses a colored font!]

The Master Foot Soldier

01-26-2003, 03:28 PM

I saw those previews too. It seems like a lot of money is being spent to promote the new TMNT. If I was 10, and watching these previews, I would probably think that this was going to be a great cartoon, just from the preview... However, now, without any reference of the TMNT, I would think the the cartoon wasn't going to be that good. On the previews, they make it look too much like some kind of mystery show, like Scooby-Doo. I know that it won't be anything like that, because I was a turtles fan for quite a while now. I think that the cartoon will be really good, and I am very pleased that there is going to be a comback into the cartoons, just like the comics were revived.

My overall conclusion of the new TMNT cartoon is that it will be popular, because of these previews. kids will be attached to these previews, and will be sure to check out the new cartoon and be satisfied. ANd to prove that I am a big fan of the turtles, here's something that I did: I watched the FOX BOX all morning for hours last week to be sure not to miss the theme song premeire, and I also had to sit through shows that I couldn't bare.

Karpo_007

01-26-2003, 04:24 PM

You really watched Foxbox? Damn. Well Im sure the new show will be fine. I have seen some clips of the animation, and it looks just great!

That Matt Guy

01-26-2003, 05:11 PM

I didn't even know kids still watched Saturday morning cartoons. The last time I was up that early on a Saturday, all I was were infomercials. :lol:

Snailman

01-27-2003, 04:37 PM

Tell me about it! the toys are flying off shelves! I see TMNT toys in places like Wal-Mart and TRU then return a day later and find that they've all sold out, (Even the shell cycles!) Luckily I got to TRU right when they got a new shipment in and finally got my Shredder figure! :)

Yeah, they ARE selling out pretty well. I hit TRU & KB toys yesterday on my usual bi-weekly toy run. TRU had a section on the end of an isle all set up for TMNT stuff. They had a few of the giant TMNT figures, a decent amount of Shell Sliders (that the name?) & Shell Cycles for $10.99 & only FIVE TMNT figures left hanging on the bare hooks. I was like "Damn...good thing I already own a Raph". They had 3 Raph's & 2 Don's left. TRU charges $6.99, which isn't bad as it's cheaper then their website.

Next stop was KB toys in the mall, whom had a alot more TMNT figures. No vehicles that I could see, but plenty of Leo's,Raph's, Don's & Mike's & even 3 Shredders (one of which I picked up, and a Mike figure too). KB toys charged $5.99 for their figures, which made me very happy as I now know the place I'll buy all my figures from (even though I only have to get Leo & Don to complete my figure collection).

I didn't even know kids still watched Saturday morning cartoons. The last time I was up that early on a Saturday, all I was were infomercials. :lol:

:lol:
I think less channels have Saturday morning cartoons then say in the 80's or early 90's. I remember CBS, NBC & ABC having cartoons, then CBS stopped doing it in the mid-90's & NBC followed suit a little while after that. Then FOX started airing cartoons in the late 80's, early 90's & a while after that the WB popped up & began showing cartoons. If memory serves, the original TMNT cartoon show was aired on CBS, but might have been in sindication during it's first season.

-Snailman[/b]

the fugitoid

01-27-2003, 11:49 PM

Hey, Snailman! Nice to see you! 8)

I honestly think, that while the TMNT will probably never reach the height of popularity that they had in the early 90's, the new show has potential for at least 2 or 3, maybe even 4 seasons. Wether or not the "mainstream" catches on, the audience interested in something like this is basically strong enough to keep it around a good while. I mean, really, who watches cartoons on Saturday mornings? Kids and fans like us. I don't think Fox really expects HUGE ratings, but maybe just average ratings that any other modern cartoons get.

And anyway, if all the crap they play on other channels (Rescue Heroes, YUGI-OH, etc.) is still on after the few years they've been around, then surely the green-shelled badasses from under New York stand a chance!

But that's just my opinion.

--Fugi

Karpo_007

01-28-2003, 12:35 AM

beaker

01-28-2003, 03:02 AM

They have actually had conversations about a second season[said so in blast from the past page] and not one episode has aired yet. Also the toys are selling good, and FOX is putting some serious cash in promoting this show. I'd say things look pretty good!

Sounds good! Its funny, this will be the only cool show on Fox Box...wonder how Fox and 4kids feel about that? Lets see, horrific kiddy anime that gives anime a bad name, or what looks to be an unbelievably sweet concerto of shell kicking rad times?

As for a return to mainstream? Ack...I would hope not, at least not in that 1990 super kiddyfied TMNT everywhere form. Enough to greenlight a new live action film? You betcha!

Karpo_007

01-28-2003, 03:19 AM

Well I heard the 4kids owns the Foxbox time slot. And it seems that TMNT will very well be the Main show.

Snailman

01-28-2003, 01:43 PM

Hey, Snailman! Nice to see you! 8)

HEY! Fugitoid! How's it goin'? Glad to see you made your way here, & that no one else had "the fugitoid" as a name. :D

I honestly think, that while the TMNT will probably never reach the height of popularity that they had in the early 90's, the new show has potential for at least 2 or 3, maybe even 4 seasons. Wether or not the "mainstream" catches on, the audience interested in something like this is basically strong enough to keep it around a good while. I mean, really, who watches cartoons on Saturday mornings? Kids and fans like us. I don't think Fox really expects HUGE ratings, but maybe just average ratings that any other modern cartoons get.

::nods:: Me too, at least long enough for Playmates to make some more mutants, aliens, robots & ninja figures. We gotta get a Fugitoid figure that looks like he did in the comic. Hey, if this new show follows the comic book, then odds are the turtles will be visiting the Utroms in space in one episode!

And anyway, if all the crap they play on other channels (Rescue Heroes, YUGI-OH, etc.) is still on after the few years they've been around, then surely the green-shelled badasses from under New York stand a chance!

But that's just my opinion.

--Fugi

:lol: And a good opinion it is.

-Snailman