For future sequels

[Death's Head]

What villainous characters from the TMNT mythos do you feel could be the main antagonists for future installments?

[Jester]

Triceratrons/Federations, Bishop maybe....Savanti Romero....it could be a re-do of 3....*shrugs*

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

1st sequel: Baxter Stockman, Karai
2nd Sequel: Rat King, Shredder

[Roseangelo]

I actually really like the concept of brand new baddies mixing with established baddies, like how we have Max Winters & the monsters and Karai & the Foot in this movie.

It's already been hinted that a sequel could have something to do with Shredder. If that happened, I'd want that to be the extent of established baddies.

[iris]

In order of preference:

1. Rat King
2. Rat King
3. Rat King

[mikey2007]

Triceratrons/Federations, Bishop maybe....Savanti Romero....it could be a re-do of 3....*shrugs*

i don't think they would do one with the Triceratons/Federation because they have the triceraton breathing helmet in the picture and the Federation blaster hangin up by the light in that Trophy Room picture from the new movie

bishop and rat king could be good, but they would have to be more than them 2 in the movie (atleast i think so), and it would be pretty cool to see a sequal with shredder, then then again, not by himself, like roseangelo said, i like the idea of introducing new bad guys with the old ones (it allows the TMNT universe to expand for more new wonderful stories)

[gobo]

In order of preference:

1. Rat King
2. Rat King
3. Rat King
But, what about Rat King? :-?

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I've always liked the idea of an evil Slash...more pumped up, more sinister looking...like in the Kevin Eastman Artobiography where he an idea for a fourth live action tmnt was a evil turtle but this was named Kirby (in the inside of the cover is where he various/different drawings of the character).

[Death's Head]

I was thinking for the next movie, they could use a resurrected Shredder, who could be explained as being alive again as the result of black magic. And they could introduce Baxter Stockman as Shredder's lackey, and the return of Tatsu as Shredder's second-in-command. This movie takes place within the TMNT movie universe, technically. so Tatsu should still be looming somewhere. I suppose they could modify him to include a personality similar to Hun's.

[CJStyles]

What do you mean modify his character the best part of it is all the grunting he does lol

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I was thinking for the next movie, they could use a resurrected Shredder, who could be explained as being alive again as the result of black magic. And they could introduce Baxter Stockman as Shredder's lackey, and the return of Tatsu as Shredder's second-in-command. This movie takes place within the TMNT movie universe, technically. so Tatsu should still be looming somewhere. I suppose they could modify him to include a personality similar to Hun's.

Baxter is too good a villian to be a lackey. I'd say, for the second movie, make Baxter the main villian, like maybe he was hired by Karai to steal the technology needed to resurect the Shredder.

[Quiet_Guy]

I'd love to see Leatherhead. Heck, maybe Shredder isn't dead and he somehow survived. But Leatherhead needs to be in the next work since he shares the same origin.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I'd love to see Leatherhead. Heck, maybe Shredder isn't dead and he somehow survived. But Leatherhead needs to be in the next work since he shares the same origin.

My thoughts exactly. He should also be voiced by Keith David.

[Quiet_Guy]

My thoughts exactly. He should also be voiced by Keith David.

Man, just thinking about Keith David doing his voice sends chills up my spine. That would be so awesome. Heh, maybe we can persuade Mr. Munroe.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Man, just thinking about Keith David doing his voice sends chills up my spine. That would be so awesome. Heh, maybe we can persuade Mr. Munroe.

You're right, you hold him down and I'll get the gasoline.

[CyberCubed]

I would like to see Baxter and the Mousers in a movie since they weren't in the original trilogy or the new movie. I suspect Karai and the Foot will stick around for a sequal as well.

Leatherhead would be cool, although he'd end up more of a good guy than a villain.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I would like to see Baxter and the Mousers in a movie since they weren't in the original trilogy or the new movie. I suspect Karai and the Foot will stick around for a sequal as well.

Leatherhead would be cool, although he'd end up more of a good guy than a villain.

Thats exactly what I'm hoping for.

[mikey2007]

I would like to see Baxter and the Mousers in a movie since they weren't in the original trilogy or the new movie. I suspect Karai and the Foot will stick around for a sequal as well.

Leatherhead would be cool, although he'd end up more of a good guy than a villain.

leatherhead was only a bad guy in the original cartoon (as far as i know of), otherwise he was an ally

[gobo]

Leatherhead was borderline between enemy and ally in the Mirage books. While he didn't intend to do wrong, his anger was too uncontrollable to keep him from hurting innocents. While similarly conceived in 2K3, it wasn't played up very well (hardly noticeable if you ask me).

Anyhow, yeah. Leatherhead and Rat King are both characters I'd like to see on the big screen. But, I hope not together. We'd need a mastermind thrown in for variety.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Leatherhead was borderline between enemy and ally in the Mirage books. While he didn't intend to do wrong, his anger was too uncontrollable to keep him from hurting innocents. While similarly conceived in 2K3, it wasn't played up very well (hardly noticeable if you ask me).

Anyhow, yeah. Leatherhead and Rat King are both characters I'd like to see on the big screen. But, I hope not together. We'd need a mastermind thrown in for variety.

He's pretty much neutral with the TMNT, right now they seem to be on good terms.

Yeah, the Rat King and Leatherhead do need some movie treatment, but your'e right, not together.

[Spitfire]

I love Rat King but his story could not carry a movie. Now City At War arc, there's a bad ass movie

[Lord Nightwalker]

I've always liked the idea of an evil Slash...more pumped up, more sinister looking...like in the Kevin Eastman Artobiography where he an idea for a fourth live action tmnt was a evil turtle but this was named Kirby (in the inside of the cover is where he various/different drawings of the character).


You know, I like the idea myself. When done correctly, any villian can realy shine. It's all in the storytelling. My only problem with Slash is that I would want to reform him down the line and send him out in a blaze of glory, or on an epic journey of self discovery. Maybe introduce an evil duet, one Slash, one whatever, and have Slash reform while the other is just on a Venomesque hate trip. Dunno. I would like to see Ratking. Maybe do Leatherhead ala the Hulk, where he's not realy the villian, but more victim of circumstance.. Bishop could be nicely psychotic.

[Wingnut]

Now City At War arc, there's a bad ass movie
Now we're talking!

[Death's Head]

So no one else sees anything that could be done with Tatsu?

[Warhorse]

I'd rather see Hun than Tatsu, but that's just my opinion.

[gobo]

I'd rather see Tatsu than Hun mainly because the movie should stay true to what it is. It is far less related to 2K3 than the live-action movies. Therefore, Tatsu should already be an established character in there somewhere. Hun being involved would require an introduction and would make it seem like too much of a 'typical' comic book movie. However, Tatsu was always just a lackey. His only concern throughout the movie would be to revive/protect the Shredder.

But, if you're like me, you'll notice that he isn't supposed to be even mentioned in this film, nor are any characters created specifically for a specific universe of the Turtles (aside from the original Mirage canon). So, Hun, Bishop, whitey Stockman, Slash, Cuddly the Cowlick, and plenty others are safe to say excluded from the running. And, now that I think of it, that would likely include Tatsu, Tokka, Rhazar, and any other character created exclusively for New Line's movies.

[CyberCubed]

Hun wouldn't be used in a movie because its seperate from the 2k3 series. Although I doubt we'll see Tatsu again either.

Does Karai have a "second-in-command" in the new movie?

[Warhorse]

Well, before you all go and bite my head off, the question is about what various TMNT mythos villains we would like to see in in future sequels. No where did I see the question just limit it to the comics.

Someone suggested Tatu, I suggested Hun, since he seemed to be the leader of that gang, while Tatsu was more of an assistant.

[gobo]

Oops! :embarass: Didn't mean to demean your choices, Warhorse. I just meant to say that it's very unlikely that Hun OR Tatsu will be involved since they aren't 100% Mirage property. That's why they have Karai in this one. And, the closest thing we got to that kind of universe melding was April being a reporter in the New Line films, but avoiding likeness issues by working for Channel 3 and owning an antiques store. So, they can 'suggest' ties to other TMNT universes (constituting it 'parody'), but they can't outright admit it without paying hefty royalties to New Line or whoever. Technically, this is a brand new retelling of the story.

[TerranigmaFreak]

Well, as a kid, I always found Tatsu a very scary character. Even though he is considered a "lacky", I think he's an excellent villian.

[Class is Pain 101]

how about a zombie shredder?

[Spitfire]

how about a zombie shredder?

Zombies are a little to not PG though.

[mikey2007]

as much as i love zombie movies, it would be a terrible ninja turtle movie because there wouldn't be much of a plot, unless u made him exactly like shredder was when he was alive, because the typical zombie is too easy to kill

[Draconic]

Karai tries to revive the Shredder with the Book of the Dead, only to realize to her utter horror, that she has unleashed a terrible Army of Darkness upon New York. Hearing the call of the book, a stranger arrives on the scene to help the TMNT rid the city of these evil dead. :evilgrin:

[gobo]

The Necronomicon Ex Mortis... :o

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I was just thinking. It would be cool if, for a sequel, they had both Shredder and Max Winters in it. I'd love to see the two of them face off.

[Lord Nightwalker]

I was thinking about the Shredder and Slash. Shredder needs to be resurrected in some way shape or form because of his obvious lack of life.
So, bring his essence back, possibly in a fashion similar to that in tails, perhaps not...But place this essence in a cloned or biologicaly engineered Mutant Turtle body. I imagine that would put Shredd's anger way over top and he would rechristen himself after coming to terms with his new condition of life. Bitter, Angry, and thirsting for vengence against all who've done him ill, Including his foot mystics or whom ever were responsible for his return as a mutant turtle, He sets out on a mission of destruction.

Savanti could also show up, chasing down the sacred sands of time that Splinter has in the Trophy room.

Any way...Just A thought I had after reading through everyone's ideas. Later....

[bmxbandit]

I've always liked the idea of an evil Slash...more pumped up, more sinister looking...like in the Kevin Eastman Artobiography where he an idea for a fourth live action tmnt was a evil turtle but this was named Kirby (in the inside of the cover is where he various/different drawings of the character).

slash from the archie series i thought looked perfect. he was very aggressive looking and i would love to see him as the villain.

[Farlander]

They shouldn't have ressurected Shredder in the first place with TMNT II. But they did. Oh well. But anyway, though Shredders... uhm... Super Shredder's death IS a bit lame in TMNT II, I don't think Shredder needs another ressurection... I mean, come on! Shredder? Again? To be honest, I'm actually glad they DON'T want to ressurect Shredder again.

Anyway, about future sequels... I must say that I've been out of TMNT loop for 2 years and such, and I forgot very much stuff, but anyway. I think that Baxter Stockman with Mousers + Rat King would work out pretty well. I mean, IIRC Rat King is called Rat King cause he, well, controlled Rats, right?

Plus, the Mouser storyline could lead to.... *gasp* a tragical Splinter death! I mean, was there any TMNT universe where Splinter actually has died? And just think about the impact that loss of Splinter may cause. Raph can actually go insane because of that.

[gobo]

I mean, was there any TMNT universe where Splinter actually has died?
Mirage's Volume 4 books...

[Farlander]

Mirage's Volume 4 books...

This may sound like a stupid question, but... there's a Volume 4? O_o Didn't know 'bout it...

Anyway. The impact of Splinter dying a natural death (I assume he dies a natural death in Volume 4? Or he is killed?) is different than the impact of him being killed...

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

This may sound like a stupid question, but... there's a Volume 4? O_o Didn't know 'bout it...

Anyway. The impact of Splinter dying a natural death (I assume he dies a natural death in Volume 4? Or he is killed?) is different than the impact of him being killed...

Still have the same impact, but it would change the story motr if he was killed rather than simply died.

[Buslady]

something that threatens them personally...like BISHOP! he scares me. wanting to poke & prod them...take bits of them and run tests...eeeewwww...

[AquaParade]

I would also love to see a Baxter Stockman/ Rat King sequel, and maybe bring back Shredder for the third. A Rat King confrontation could lead to a lot of interesting and creepy:D stuff and they havent used Baxter in any of the movies yet, which actually kinda surprises me, so I'd love to see him in there too, I'm sure Baxter and the Rat king would make great enemies to both the turtles and eachotuher. I'm sure they could do plenty with the computer animation to give some of Baxters robotics life. And although the Shredder has been ressurected already...or something like that...I think bringing him back in the third would definitley give everyone a few breaths of fresh air away from him and maybe make his return welcome to some people who might start missing his presence in the tmnt universe and would be a fitting end to a trilogy. Anyone agree?

[Hero]

I'd like to see The Rat King and the return of ToKkA and Rahzar.

===HERO

[kerfootw]

I would like to see Baxter and the Mousers in a movie since they weren't in the original trilogy or the new movie. I suspect Karai and the Foot will stick around for a sequal as well.

Leatherhead would be cool, although he'd end up more of a good guy than a villain.

I read this old online paper where a bunch of guys speculated which actors should play who in a live TMNT movie. I remember one of the choices being Bruce Willis for Leatherhead. That would be a great pick, although I'd like to hear Keith David play him too. Still, Bruce sounded perfect, he could do it (CGI or live).

[Class is Pain 101]

Rat King played by Robert Englund.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I read this old online paper where a bunch of guys speculated which actors should play who in a live TMNT movie. I remember one of the choices being Bruce Willis for Leatherhead. That would be a great pick, although I'd like to hear Keith David play him too. Still, Bruce sounded perfect, he could do it (CGI or live).

Do you have a link?

[Farlander]

Seems I'm not the only one who thinks that Rat King and Baxter would work out well (points at Underoath :p )

Anyway. The reason why the only thing in the new cartoon I like is Season I (plus SOME parts of Season II) is that they killed the cartoon for me with all this Shredder overdosing. AND Baxter Stockman overdosing. Baxter had so many reincarnations, that it started to become ridiculous. Baxter as some mechanical spider, Baxter as a... brain, and whatnot...

So yeah. I personally do not want any kind of Shredder reappearance bar a flashback in future sequels.

Anyway. About future sequels. All further statements are my opinions, speculations, and whatnot. Anyway. I think that the Rat King is anyone but an evil mastermind. I think some will agree with me. This guy doesn't go for world domination, or something, and the main thing is: he CARES about his followers. I.e. rats. He cares about rats. Including mutated form of rats, heh.

The thing is, the Rat King and the Turtles... well, they, basically, don't like each other for some reason. Maybe the Rat King gathers so many rats that they actually start bringing harm to people (like the Rat King cares anyway....). But, the thing is, Splinter may be the bonding point between the RK and the TMNT. I mean, RK maybe could save/try to save Splinter at some point, and then learns that he and TMNT ARE connected.

And Baxter Stockman... well, I don't know how much Max Winters is an evil mastermind, but... we could change the evil mastermind part of Baxter Stockman. Maybe this Baxter just wants to help the city. I mean, the pesky rat concentration becomes so strong that it is dangerous. So he just wants to help the world or something by creating Mousers. Maybe he has troubles with funds to proceed with his, uhm... Rat Crusade! And he just notices the opportunity to use the Mousers as robbers of banks to continue his... "quest" or something...

Well, anyway, what I'm trying to say is that it would be cool if there would be no main villian or something. Several groups with different points of views on things, and basically, from different points of view they're all right. That would be cool, IMO.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Seems I'm not the only one who thinks that Rat King and Baxter would work out well (points at Underoath :p )

Anyway. The reason why the only thing in the new cartoon I like is Season I (plus SOME parts of Season II) is that they killed the cartoon for me with all this Shredder overdosing. AND Baxter Stockman overdosing. Baxter had so many reincarnations, that it started to become ridiculous. Baxter as some mechanical spider, Baxter as a... brain, and whatnot...

So yeah. I personally do not want any kind of Shredder reappearance bar a flashback in future sequels.

Anyway. About future sequels. All further statements are my opinions, speculations, and whatnot. Anyway. I think that the Rat King is anyone but an evil mastermind. I think some will agree with me. This guy doesn't go for world domination, or something, and the main thing is: he CARES about his followers. I.e. rats. He cares about rats. Including mutated form of rats, heh.

The thing is, the Rat King and the Turtles... well, they, basically, don't like each other for some reason. Maybe the Rat King gathers so many rats that they actually start bringing harm to people (like the Rat King cares anyway....). But, the thing is, Splinter may be the bonding point between the RK and the TMNT. I mean, RK maybe could save/try to save Splinter at some point, and then learns that he and TMNT ARE connected.

And Baxter Stockman... well, I don't know how much Max Winters is an evil mastermind, but... we could change the evil mastermind part of Baxter Stockman. Maybe this Baxter just wants to help the city. I mean, the pesky rat concentration becomes so strong that it is dangerous. So he just wants to help the world or something by creating Mousers. Maybe he has troubles with funds to proceed with his, uhm... Rat Crusade! And he just notices the opportunity to use the Mousers as robbers of banks to continue his... "quest" or something...

Well, anyway, what I'm trying to say is that it would be cool if there would be no main villian or something. Several groups with different points of views on things, and basically, from different points of view they're all right. That would be cool, IMO.

Shredder overdosing? He was practically an on-again-off-again character. What made the Shredder so great in the new toon was his limited amount of appearences.

[poobone]

shredder. i know i know he's dead and he's been done to death but he's just so damn cool. I'd love to see him with the new CGI artstyle.

[kerfootw]

Do you have a link?

I think it doesn't exist anymore. I printed it though, I could type it up here if you'd like.

[Farlander]

Shredder overdosing? He was practically an on-again-off-again character. What made the Shredder so great in the new toon was his limited amount of appearences.

Well, it's just, that.... the turtles "killed" Shredder there, "killed" Shredder there, then "killed" him there.... it gets quite irritating, really.

[Kendamu]

Hey... at least he didn't get away inside a giant drill every episode.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Well, it's just, that.... the turtles "killed" Shredder there, "killed" Shredder there, then "killed" him there.... it gets quite irritating, really.

They didn't techincally kill him the first two times. They killed him, or he killed himself, the third time. Karai resurrected him, then finally was gotten rid off in Exodus.

[Farlander]

Hey... at least he didn't get away inside a giant drill every episode.

Hm... yeah, that's an improvement :p

They didn't techincally kill him the first two times.

Hence the "killed" word inbetween "" signs. :p

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

What kinda gets to me is the fact that the TMNT, themselves, never got to truly finish off Shredder.

The first time: Splinter intervines
The second: The defeated him, they didn't kill him
The third: Shredder screws himself
The fourth: Zog intervines
The fifth and final: The Utoms intervine

Thats why I liked Return to new York part 3 so much. It was the Turtles, working together, managing to defeat Shredder. But sadly, they couldn't get the job done.

Well, at least the get a shot at the "true" Shredder.

[triplexxx]

The third: Shredder screws himself
That's sounds pretty funny. Know what they should've done the end of that ep? They should've had Michaelangelo imitate Jim Carrey from The Mask: "You were good kid, real good, but as long as we're around you'll always be second best, see?" Also, when the place imploded, it looked like it completely vaporized, how the heck did Karai manage to locate enough remains to genetically regenerate his whole body.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

That's sounds pretty funny. Know what they should've done the end of that ep? They should've had Michaelangelo imitate Jim Carrey from The Mask: "You were good kid, real good, but as long as we're around you'll always be second best, see?" Also, when the place imploded, it looked like it completely vaporized, how the heck did Karai manage to locate enough remains to genetically regenerate his whole body.

I imagined it involved tweezers.

[Hero]

It would be nice to see Tatsu back.

Also a Tricerton invasion could be good.

===HERO

[Raph86]

We still need a movie with Krang in it.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

We still need a movie with Krang in it.

No we don't.

[kerfootw]

Here here.