Peter Jackson Blacklisted..

[LogicDonny]

Peter Jackson the director who made Lord of the rings film has been banned from New Lines Cinema for good for suing them.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/754/754322p1.html

This ticks me off because he did an excellent job on LOTR movie and I thought it would be awesome for him to do The Hobbit but since he was a jerk to New Lines, good!

[Jo Dawn]

I've never been a fan of his, so I really don't have a big opinion on this.

But I will say that I prefer the (original?) Hobbit movie from the 80's, heh... (Same as the Lion, the Witch and The Wardrobe. BBC version all the way for me.)

[Spitfire]

I really didn't want to sit through another 3 hours movie of his anyways. They start off cool and then I want to fall asleep by the end. That guy needs to learn how to edit.

[Peanut]

Did you even see King Kong? It started off boring then got cool, before becoming boring again. The same pretty much goes for Fellowship. I thought Two Towers and Return of the King were perfect, though.

[Roseangelo]

I didn't mind the length of LOTR, given the source material, but King Kong was waaaay too long.

I honestly don't think I care about this. I think I'd almost prefer it if The Hobbit didn't get made.

[Peanut]

I honestly don't think I care about this. I think I'd almost prefer it if The Hobbit didn't get made.

Yeah. Honestly, The Hobbit isn't all the exciting until the very very end anyways, and it wasn't even so great then, so it's not too big of a loss in my eyes.

[LogicDonny]

Ya.. I agree with many posts here espeically king kong.. Good movie yet too long.. I thought the ending to ROTK was fantastic..

I um feel bad that he did this but there are other directors as well besides Peter Jackson that could make a good Hobbit movie.

[gobo]

Only PJ movie I really cared for was The Frighteners (w/ Michael J. Fox & Jake Busey). I waited until the Director's Cut was available before buying the DVD. I wish I hadn't bothered. While it wasn't absurdly lengthy, It just wasn't as fun as the theatrical cut. Minor changes made it play like a taking-itself-too-seriously horror film. And, that just doesn't sit well with me.

[Spitfire]

Did you even see King Kong? It started off boring then got cool, before becoming boring again. The same pretty much goes for Fellowship. I thought Two Towers and Return of the King were perfect, though.

Saw it in theaters. When they reach the island*Oh yeah that's like 40 minutes into the movie...* it's interesting and then it get so boring. Your right haha the beginning was boring.

Funny I like Two Towers as well but more Rings fans like it the least out of all 3 films. I own all 3 still, but their the extended cuts -_- So their like 4 hours long*They were gifts* Those movies make me feel like I have ADD cause I never can watch them in one sitting without turning them off to do something else or falling asleep.

[Monkey Ambassador]

You people don't know what good cenima is. Peter Jackson is brilliant. The Lord of the Rings films are among the best ever made. They are brilliantly crafted. And King Kong was a work of art. I thought it moved to fast in the beginning, it could have allowed more time for some character development. And if you're a fan of the original Kong (wich most of you probably are not, judging by your opinion of this one), you'd notice that proportionally, Kong is introduced sooner in the 2005 than in the 1933,

[Krang's Uncle]

Jackson did a wonderful job on the LOTR movies. I thought Kong was good too. Its too bad that he wont work on the Hobbit due to his troubles with New Line, but im sure there are other directors out there that can do a competent job with it too.

[Mecha Cow]

Wasn't it the case that if New Line didn't put out a Hobbit movie within a certain period, they would lose the rights? There is still a chance of Jackson making it for a different studio.

And seriously, I wouldn't want anyone but him on this project. Yes, King Kong was too long and kind of boring, yes, LotR was like 50 HOURS LONG AND GAY LOL, we've heard it all before. They're not everyone's cup of tea, but the LotR movies are still brilliantly made and Jackson and WETA did an amazing job of bringing Tolkien's world to life.

This lawsuit is crap anyway. "He's already rich but he's still suing us!" What kind of retarded argument is that? By that logic, they shouldn't bitch because his LotR saved them from bankrupty.

Either way, I hope we still get to see Jackson's Hobbit at some point.

[Ecto Jedi]

Saw it in theaters. When they reach the island*Oh yeah that's like 40 minutes into the movie...* it's interesting and then it get so boring. Your right haha the beginning was boring.

What the heck? What's with all the King Kong-hate? I thought it was a superb movie, and I didn't mind the length at all because it all added to grand scale and scope of the film. It was an epic, no doubt about it. And "boring" is an adjective I never thought I'd hear used in the same sentence as King Kong...

[Jester]

I love how people comment honestly, on how they feel the movie's pace didn't work for them, not that they love or hate a movie, just that this in their opinion wasn't the best it could be and they are accused of Kong-hating. I liked King Kong. It was a bit long, in my opinion. I also see a couple of continuity holes (I mean where did the "pygmies" go when the crew comes back through after surviving Skull Island...but I digress.) All I'm saying is that just because you criticize parts of something doesn't mean you hate it. I don't care much for NT:TNM or TMNT:>>, but that doesn't make me any less a TMNT fan-boy.

[ZariusTwo]

Randall said it all in Clerks II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zAnWJDWN-k

[Jester]

"Ha Ha. I made fun of 'Lord of the Rings' so hard I made some super geek puke all over the counter. Where do we keep the mop and bucket so I can have Elias clean it up"

[ZariusTwo]

"We have cleaning products?"

[Ecto Jedi]

I love how people comment honestly, on how they feel the movie's pace didn't work for them, not that they love or hate a movie, just that this in their opinion wasn't the best it could be and they are accused of Kong-hating. I liked King Kong. It was a bit long, in my opinion. I also see a couple of continuity holes (I mean where did the "pygmies" go when the crew comes back through after surviving Skull Island...but I digress.) All I'm saying is that just because you criticize parts of something doesn't mean you hate it. I don't care much for NT:TNM or TMNT:>>, but that doesn't make me any less a TMNT fan-boy.

Well, it's not like I took it to heart or anything, but usually describing a film as "long" and "boring" is a good indication that the person didn't really like the movie. Fair statement? :P

[Spitfire]

I love how people comment honestly, on how they feel the movie's pace didn't work for them, not that they love or hate a movie, just that this in their opinion wasn't the best it could be and they are accused of Kong-hating.

Thank you, exactly. I know good cinema, I study it. But good cinema hardly ever gets noticed. I'm surprised Children Of Men got a wide release. It started out limited. The Fountain deserved wide...Pan's Labyrinth deserved wide. Did any of these movies get it? No because instead directors will watch these underground films, rip off the style of it in a wide release movie and get all this praise for something they basically stole.

Jackson's problem is his pacing. His movie is already 3 hours long yet it feel twice that with how it's paced. V For Vendetta is a 90 minute movie but it feels alot longer, because it's paced slowly. And that's okay because it's not long to begin with. I don't know about any of you but I personally have back problems and I can't sit for to long without being in hell. A movie that distracts me from that must be entertaining. So any movie over 2 hours better be damn good.

I base what I like off how entertained I am when I watch it and how it makes me feel. I base what's GOOD off of style, atmosphere, story, and presentation. Kong had a style I have seen already*Jurassic Park anyone?* and I don't see any style in huge CGI-fest movies. I hate CGI honestly it ruins movies for me. And I give props to films that use CGI right, where it still looks good years later. Or use a mix of CGI and make up effects.

Few movies can use CGI right though. You might disagree but Silent Hill used CGI right, the only thing that bothered me about it was the bugs that followed pyramid head were shown to closely. But for the most part they CGI'd stuff that we don't know what it looks like. I know that's a terrible sentence but honestly when we see a CGI form of a human it looks totally fake to use, why is that? Because we know what a human looks like. Just like I know what a monkey looks like. I don't know what a twisted demon head looks like or Spider-man cause I've never seen them in person.

I watched The Thing the other day. The way they did make-up effects in that movie was amazing. The whole movie is amazing. But it all reminds me of the old style of things and how creative it was and how I miss it . Total Recall, Robocop, Terminator, Aliens. The effects in these movies are ground breaking and for the most part still look awesome even today. Why can't we bring that back? I'm sick of this CGI crap.

[gobo]

Well, it's not like I took it to heart or anything, but usually describing a film as "long" and "boring" is a good indication that the person didn't really like the movie. Fair statement? :P
Yeah, that's a fair assumption. But, the difference between dislike and hate was the issue. I don't like being accused of hating anything unless I actually do hate it. So, I imagine that's Jester's complaint as well. I appreciated LotR & Kong for what they were, but there are several things I'd rather watch first. That doesn't mean I hate or dislike them. They're just low on my 'likes" list.

[Ecto Jedi]

Yeah, that's a fair assumption. But, the difference between dislike and hate was the issue. I don't like being accused of hating anything unless I actually do hate it. So, I imagine that's Jester's complaint as well. I appreciated LotR & Kong for what they were, but there are several things I'd rather watch first. That doesn't mean I hate or dislike them. They're just low on my 'likes" list.

Ahh, I see, I see. I used Kong-hate as a broad term, simply to refer to the negative things that were being said about the film. I can see how one could misinterpret that.

[Peanut]

I never said I hated King Kong. If I did, I wouldn't own the regular and SE versions on DVD and the HDDVD version, would I? But the beginning of the movie was soooo boring.

I'm also a huge LotR fan. I find the beginning of Fellowship a little slow and boring, but that doesn't mean I don't like it. I love all three of those movies.

[Ecto Jedi]

I never said I hated King Kong. If I did, I wouldn't own the regular and SE versions on DVD and the HDDVD version, would I? But the beginning of the movie was soooo boring.

I see. But I disagree with your take on the beginning of King Kong -- I thought it was all important, and brilliantly set up the rest of the movie. To each his own, I guess.

[Peanut]

It was important. No disagreement there, but it really wears on after awhile. I guess it's just because I really really wanted to see Kong. The same applies for Hulk. I liked that movie, but it took too long to get to the Hulk and actually get some cool scenes going.

[Ecto Jedi]

It was important. No disagreement there, but it really wears on after awhile. I guess it's just because I really really wanted to see Kong. The same applies for Hulk. I liked that movie, but it took too long to get to the Hulk and actually get some cool scenes going.

Yeah, I agree that it's a while before we actually get to see Kong, but I new the movie was pretty damn long when I went to watch it, so, even though the beginning was long, I never felt it cut in to the ball-grabbing action scenes.

[Monkey Ambassador]

It was important. No disagreement there, but it really wears on after awhile. I guess it's just because I really really wanted to see Kong. The same applies for Hulk. I liked that movie, but it took too long to get to the Hulk and actually get some cool scenes going.

So, you don't like to original Kong either?

[Ra]

Peter Jackson is getting blacklisted by a cinema? That's defiantly new :lol:

I don't really mind LOTR, but yeah, Jackson really needs to meet people who know what "editing" means. King Kong is basically about a giant ape that is taken from his natural habitat and thrown into New York, thus suffering from culture shock. It should really take about 90 minutes end to view the movie, but yeah...

I'll shut up now :|

[Mecha Cow]

I think most people's problem with King Kong is that Jackson made it in the same 'style' as LotR. The 'epic' scope worked for LotR, but it didn't fit KK too well. I liked the movie, but there's really no reason for it being 3+ hours long.

[Jo Dawn]

I actually like King Kong. But not LOTR. *shrugs*

[Peanut]

So, you don't like to original Kong either?

Didn't we just clarify that I liked the movie? Good lord.

[Brodie]

Well, like he cares, he still gets to make Halo...somewhere... And weird new Halo moviegames.

[Stimor]

Thank you, exactly. I know good cinema, I study it. But good cinema hardly ever gets noticed. I'm surprised Children Of Men got a wide release. It started out limited. The Fountain deserved wide...Pan's Labyrinth deserved wide. Did any of these movies get it? No because instead directors will watch these underground films, rip off the style of it in a wide release movie and get all this praise for something they basically stole.

Jackson's problem is his pacing. His movie is already 3 hours long yet it feel twice that with how it's paced. V For Vendetta is a 90 minute movie but it feels alot longer, because it's paced slowly. And that's okay because it's not long to begin with. I don't know about any of you but I personally have back problems and I can't sit for to long without being in hell. A movie that distracts me from that must be entertaining. So any movie over 2 hours better be damn good.

I base what I like off how entertained I am when I watch it and how it makes me feel. I base what's GOOD off of style, atmosphere, story, and presentation. Kong had a style I have seen already*Jurassic Park anyone?* and I don't see any style in huge CGI-fest movies. I hate CGI honestly it ruins movies for me. And I give props to films that use CGI right, where it still looks good years later. Or use a mix of CGI and make up effects.

Few movies can use CGI right though. You might disagree but Silent Hill used CGI right, the only thing that bothered me about it was the bugs that followed pyramid head were shown to closely. But for the most part they CGI'd stuff that we don't know what it looks like. I know that's a terrible sentence but honestly when we see a CGI form of a human it looks totally fake to use, why is that? Because we know what a human looks like. Just like I know what a monkey looks like. I don't know what a twisted demon head looks like or Spider-man cause I've never seen them in person.

I watched The Thing the other day. The way they did make-up effects in that movie was amazing. The whole movie is amazing. But it all reminds me of the old style of things and how creative it was and how I miss it . Total Recall, Robocop, Terminator, Aliens. The effects in these movies are ground breaking and for the most part still look awesome even today. Why can't we bring that back? I'm sick of this CGI crap.

You study movies so you are always right about them, *cough*

[Peanut]

You study movies so you are always right about them, *cough*

Dude, who ARE you? All I see you do is post to troll people. Knock it the hell off.

[Warhorse]

Well, in my opinion, I think The Hobbit will tank without Peter Jackson at the helm. Just my opinion. He has a vision and a love for the Tolkein world that I don't hink will be equalled.

And studios do tend to be almost evil. Like look what they are forcing the creators of the TMNT new cartoon to do with Fast Forward, just to sell a couple of stupid toys!

[Spitfire]

You study movies so you are always right about them, *cough*

I never said I was "right" about anything I was simply defending my opinion. I'm not forcing anyone to agree with me.

And studios do tend to be almost evil. Like look what they are forcing the creators of the TMNT new cartoon to do with Fast Forward, just to sell a couple of stupid toys!

You do know FF was Pete's idea right? I mean FF was going to happen one way or another the only difference is they toned FF down a bit and the animation style was changed. Now that makes a huge difference I know but FF probably would have been Batman Beyond-ish had it actually been done the way Peter wanted. Either way Cody would still be there and the episodes we have now would have no doubt played out the same. The plots were most likely mildly altered. We can see that Shakobozo*How ever the heck you spell that* was set up to be a pretty dark character. Either way Peter's obsession with Sci-Fi Star War-ish future stuff is getting old with me. Didn't last long with me in Season 2 and even less time in FF.

[Warhorse]

^I'm not aware of Peter Laird having much to do with Fast Forward. I thought he had to compromise on agreeing along with it's production to keep the Tribunal episodes from being canned all together, and I heard FF was something Fox4kids and some toy company was working on.

[Spitfire]

They took it over but it was always Peter's idea to shoot TMNT into the future.

[Warhorse]

The story of the Turtles going into the future isn't the problem. It's actually not a bad concept. But the episodes in themselves has been greatly reduced in it's quality and stoytelling. Everything is way off, from the dialogue to the characters themselves. This is what I believe people don't like about the FF. ANd I also believe it's the studios fault in pushing such a dumned down show on it's faithful viewers.

[gobo]

While I want to believe that FF was only premised by Laird, and the rest was all compromise, I don't think we'll ever get a clear answer. Neither side is willing to blame it on the other. That way, they might be able to continue to do business, and dig themselves out of this hole. That... doesn't seem like it'll be a walk in the park. :ohwell: But, stranger things have happened. Like a Peter Jackson discussion turning into a Fast Forward discussion. :D

[Monkey Ambassador]

Good deal.

[Mecha Cow]

Dude, he just said he liked the movie.

[BigApple3AM]

Either way Peter's obsession with Sci-Fi Star War-ish future stuff is getting old with me. Didn't last long with me in Season 2 and even less time in FF.

Truer words have never before been said. I like what he's done with the main tmnt comic, but it seems every project he works on is more goofy sci fi than gritty street ninja crime. Even the movie has weird pokemon monsters. This is why I sort of lost interest in the 2k3 cartoon in mid season 2 while season 1 had me watching each saturday morning from start to finish (although in retrospect there were some crappy s1 episodes like the monsters from the underground). The difference between the old cartoon and hopefully the movie, and the 2k3 cartoon, is that the 2k3 toon took itself seriously which just doesn't really work for the material.

Back to Jackson, I don't care. I've been meaning to rewatch the LotR movies, and they were really good, as was Kong, but I also like a lot of New Line stuff and they were the ones that gave him a chance and funded his movies. You think 3 hour+ movies would fly with many other studios (and if they did they'd be small studios that wouldn't have been able to fund the movies properly). That and New Line gaves us TMNT :evilgrin: