What was up with that ripoff Battletoads???(& other ripo

[beaker]

I remember in the late 80's reading those funny TMNT parody comics like radioactive mutant hampsters, Miami Mice(ok, not a parody of TMNT but it was from that great mid 80's indie comic era, and eastman/laird were involved with a few issues) etc.

I also remember coming up with some joke ideas of 'samurai frogs'.

Then came the horrific early 90's...and lo and behold...WTF?!?!?

Battletoads? And this was even taken legitimately, with a cartoon and ill fated arcade and NES series. Man, I can imagine how Eastman and Laird felt. It woul dbe one thing if this was a funny ha ha sendoff meant as a parody, but they tried to establish it as some legitamate property. Heck they even got Technos/Tradewest to do a Double Dragon crossover. sad.
Then again I didnt care at all for Bucky O Hare or Cows of Moo Mesa...more TMNT wanna crap IMHO.

Anyone else think the Battletoads and other non parody ripoffs were
a sheer abomination?

[That Matt Guy]

I really don't think Battletoads was a ripoff, it was just a lame idea. But I do remember some really stupid show called Samuri Pizza Cats, now that is what I call a ripoff of TMNT.

[Greed]

I didn't mind the "ripoffs" hell I liked some of them

[Karpo_007]

Well If you think like that way the cartoon was a ripoff of the original TMNT...

[Raph]

Samurai Pizza Cats is definitly a Rip-off

The title song even says "They've got more fur then any turtle ever had"

Mmm that explains a lot

[Reznorite420]

I'll admit, I hated how cheesy and overdone Battletoads was. Rash, Zits, and Pimple were somewhat disgusting names. At least the turtles had some dignity in their namesakes (Renaissance painters/artists). The 'toads, however, made very little sense. Oh, and Beaker, you also forgot to mention the Game Boy and Sega Geneis/Megadrive versions. In any case, the original arcade version was the only game even REMOTELY worth playing IMO. I also had no idea that there was a cartoon of it! At first I thought it was just a comic, or just a video game series. Wow, you really DO learn something new every day :lol: :lol: :lol:

[raphael90]

Samurai Pizza Cats! LOL! :lol:

That sounds like a serious ripoff....was it funny? I don't know if I ever saw it or not.

[tekcop]

I actually like the Battletoads. Sure, they were a TMNT rip-off, but it was (and still is) a great game. Also, the cartoon series only lasted two episodes. I have both of them on tape.

By the way the Cow Boys of Moo Mesa were created by Ryan Brown and Dan Berger helped produce it. Your a Mirage fan, you should know those names.

[Peanut]

Bucky O Haire ruled! And Battletoads was a good game.

[Karpo_007]

Ryan Brown used to work on Tales of the TMNT series and well eveyone knows Dan berger.

[Cherubae]

The Samuari Pizza Cats (Kyatto Ninden Teyande - 1991) was a very cute anime from Japan ;) I wouldn't really classify it as an American Ninja Turtle rip-off like Battletoads. When it was localized the English theme song spoofed the Turtles because that's what was popular at the time.


- Cher

[xZAOx]

man, you people are insane. battletoads on the SNES was awesome!

INSANE.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah Battletodas was a good game. But I haven't seen the animated series.

[Nickokapo]

Samurai Pizza Cats is definitly a Rip-off

The title song even says "They've got more fur then any turtle ever had"

Mmm that explains a lot
:sweatdro: they didn't said that in the original japanese version's theme, saban put that in the americanized version...i think they changed all the scripts too, y'know, all the dialog and stuff...and for once, i think it's the only americanized anime i like, as it was hilarious.
As for battletoads and other such shows, i dont think it was a ripoff, i loved that game :D it was great, i've also liked their double dragon & battletoads game...there was a cartoon too i think, only 1 ep of it was made, but i cant find it.
I liked most of the toons you'd call 'rip off' anyways, so for me it's a good thing that they 'ripped tmnt off' :P
Yeah, im talking about cowboys of moo mesa, bucky o'hare, bikermices from mars, street sharks, because they weren't bad imo...of course there were some bad apples, like extreme dinosaurs imo, i didnt liked that one, but that's because i think it's boring, not just because 'it ripped tmnt off'.
If i would use your idea of what is a rip off, then i would say the tmnt anime is a rip off of saint seiya because they use armors.

[Tokka-B]

Hey beaker, enough bashing early 90's man...those were the glory days of video game software....BattleToads is an awesome game. So was Double Dragon and they finally combined too, if you say battletoads copied tmnt, then tmnt copied double dragon, which was probly the first beat em up....There are always going to be copies, you gotta realize that, but some are good, and some are awful.

[Nickokapo]

True, it's called a genre, if we start saying everything was a rip off of everything... :roll:
Ok, maybe some of those shows did looked a lot like tmnt, but i think they were good...err most of them.

[beaker]

Hey beaker, enough bashing early 90's man...those were the glory days of video game software....BattleToads is an awesome game. So was Double Dragon and they finally combined too, if you say battletoads copied tmnt, then tmnt copied double dragon, which was probly the first beat em up....There are always going to be copies, you gotta realize that, but some are good, and some are awful.

First off, Double Dragon is from the late 80's...1987 to be exact. I remember dumping in a lot of allowance money when it first came out;) Second, how could TMNT have copied Double Dragon? Eastman and LAird created the TMNT concept in 1984, Double Dragon debuted in the Spring of 1987 in Japan and later that year in the US.

And c'mon, you seriously dont think Battletoads is a ripoff/sendoff of the TMNT?(Battle Toads...Ninja turtles. 3 Ninja frogs, 4 ninja turtles?) It's just one of those embarassing things from the early 90's noone cares about anymore.

Yeah I know who was behind Moo Mesa, that doesnt mean I have to like it. To me it falls right in line with Bucky O haire, Samurai Pizza Cats, Biker Mice, BattleChoads, etc.

At any rate, thank goodness the BattleChoads didnt last that long.

[Karpo_007]

Sorry to be a Wise guy but the TMNT were created in 83. It was 84 when they published it.

[Tokka-B]

You obviously don't know that I was talking about the video game the whole time, which was like in 1990 or something...So yes, they copied the video game from Double Dragon as every beat em up has.
Of course Battletoads was a rip-off of tmnt, I thought you already knew that, duh. It was still good though, :|

[Reznorite420]

You obviously don't know that I was talking about the video game the whole time, which was like in 1990 or something...Ah, but the TMNT game was released in 1989 :P

[Tokka-B]

Ah, but you still did not understand me, I mean the beat em up one, if you were following the conversation correctly... :roll:

[Reznorite420]

Ah, but you still did not understand me, I mean the beat em up one, if you were following the conversation correctly... :roll:Ah, but apparantly you're ignorant, because I WAS referring to the beat-'em-up one. Which one did you THINK I was talking about?

[beaker]

You obviously don't know that I was talking about the video game the whole time, which was like in 1990 or something...So yes, they copied the video game from Double Dragon as every beat em up has.
Of course Battletoads was a rip-off of tmnt, I thought you already knew that, duh. It was still good though, :|

Um, check the game out if you have the rom of it. Notice the beat em up 4 player arcade TMNT game clearly says 1989...I should know, it was one of my fave games of 1989 at the arcades next to NARC, Strider, and Final Fight.

[Tokka-B]

I am not talking about the arcade, I am talking about the console game, duh...even since it was '89, it copied Double Dragon...so HAHAHAHAHA!!! :evilgrin:

[Domo]

I loved Biker Mice, Bucky O'Hare, and Cowboys of Moo Mesa! Samurai Pizza Cats was one of the funniest cartoons I've ever seen. They made up the entire dub, and it consisted of parodies and spoofs of everything along with some really great tung-in-cheek jokes. Though I do agree they were unoriginal in alot of ways, it doesn't mean they weren't good series. I loved the Street Shark figures and the Battletoads games, but I never saw either of their cartoons. From what I've heard they never got past the pilot episodes.

[tekcop]

From what I've heard they never got past the pilot episodes.
Street Sharks had at least one season.

[TigerClaw]

Extreme Dinosaurs is more of a Ripoff of Dinosaucers.

[beaker]

I am not talking about the arcade, I am talking about the console game, duh...even since it was '89, it copied Double Dragon...so HAHAHAHAHA!!! :evilgrin:

The 1989 NES game wasnt even close to Double Dragon...it wasnt even a beat em up. It was more akin to the NES Ninja Gaiden, and even that is a stretch.

As for the ubiqutious range of early 90's TMNT Ripo...err, I mean 'TMNT influenced' cartoons...I dont see any revivals planned for those properties;)

[Tokka-B]

I am not talking about the 1989 game..that was more like castlevania...I am talking about the 1990 tmnt 2 game, that was a copy of double dragon, duh. :roll:

[Karpo_007]

No that was bad conversion of the Arcade game...

[Tokka-B]

Yes, and the arcade game was also a copy, now that you mention it! :lol:

[robot717]

Battletoads was indeed a TMNT rip-off and a bad one at that.The games were absolute crap.There was a moronic comic in Nintendo Power magazine and as I've heard a crappy cartoon.Fortunately for the gaming and animation communities Battletoads is now long dead,buried and lying in an unmarked grave in a junkyard somewhere.And if I knew where said grave was,I'd happily go and relieve myself on it.
By the way,I've lurked here for awhile but this topic made me want to register.I HAD to get this off my chest.

[Brodie]

I liked the Bucky O Hare toys, but the tv show bites.

[Tokka-B]

Way to go robot...according to that, every beat em up is a ripoff of double dragon... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

In fact, there even was a game where BOTH battletoads and double dragons were in together...so HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

[robot717]

Battletoads wasn't really a Beat-em-up.It had a few Beat-em-up style levels but it also had annoying can't-fit-into-any-category levels like that godawful speed bike level and Bungee Jumping.
And Tokka every Beat-em-Up is kind of a rip off of Double Dragon,or to be more precise it's offspring.Double Dragon created and defined a Genre

[beaker]

Battletoads was indeed a TMNT rip-off and a bad one at that.The games were absolute crap.There was a moronic comic in Nintendo Power magazine and as I've heard a crappy cartoon.Fortunately for the gaming and animation communities Battletoads is now long dead,buried and lying in an unmarked grave in a junkyard somewhere.And if I knew where said grave was,I'd happily go and relieve myself on it.
By the way,I've lurked here for awhile but this topic made me want to register.I HAD to get this off my chest.

Here here! Good to see that and other TMNT ripoff garbage just another forgotten relic of the horrific early 90's.

Now then, as for beat em ups...it's my favorite genre. thank goodness for MAME! Some were good(Final Fight, Double Dragon, golden Axe)...others, not so good. While Double Dragon is unquestionably the original, it was Capcom's Final Fight in 1989 that truly revolutionized the genre.

Sadly, the latest attempt, Square's Bouncer...was about as interactive as
Dragon's Lair. That is why I am so excited about City of Heroes online this summer...finally, a massive multi player online beat em up!

And finally, dear gosh almighty I cant see how that pathetic NES TMNT Arcade keeps getting mentioned. Its like watching Aliens edited for tv with bad reception at 2pm and thinking youve seen the movie in full.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah. The otiginal TMNT aracde is probably the best arcade game ever made... Of course in the eyes of non TMNT fan, it coul be just ok. Well Im not that harsh about the nes conversion, When it came out, there was no mame or powerfull enough PC to run it. And the nearest arcade I know had it was hundreds of Kilometers away. But today the choice is clear.

[Reznorite420]

And the nearest arcade I know had it was hundreds of Kilometers away.Hundreds of kilometers away? I've been living in the city too long...

[Karpo_007]

Well I live in a small town, The only TMNT arcades I knew back then were in amusment park in Helsinki. There were probably others, But I didn't know where.

[beaker]

Well I live in a small town, The only TMNT arcades I knew back then were in amusment park in Helsinki. There were probably others, But I didn't know where.

Good to see the TMNT revolution still has a global reach! ^_^

[Karpo_007]

Yeah the year was probably 91 or 92...

[majesty329]

Extreme Dinosaurs is more of a Ripoff of Dinosaucers.

Yes it was DIC made both of these cartoons as well as the Battletoads and Double Dragon cartoons.

Battletoads was a rip off of TMNT the only ripoff I liked was Bike Mice From Mars.

[Reznorite420]

Yes, and the arcade game was also a copy, now that you mention it! :lol:Wow, you must not have very good reading skills. We've said before that the original arcade game was released in 1989, a year before DD was released. Get you *censored* together.

[beaker]

Yes, and the arcade game was also a copy, now that you mention it! :lol:Wow, you must not have very good reading skills. We've said before that the original arcade game was released in 1989, a year before DD was released. Get you *censored* together.

Well...Double Dragon came out to arcades in the Summer of 1987(with a horrific NES 'conversion' a year later), and TMNT arcade came out 2 years after Double Dragon in arcades. But TMNT was a wayyy different game, very fast paced, very animated, and 4 players.

[Tokka-B]

Ugh, you guys fail to see my point. I am trying to prove how dumb it is to say that battletoads is a ripoff of tmnt...All beat-em-ups are the same in general. So I am guessing that since the TMNT debuted you can't have any reptile/amphibian creatures fight to save the world? Man, that is just sad... :roll:

[Karpo_007]

It is not the game that is a rip off, The game is quite original, It is the whole concept of Humanoid Frogs.

[beaker]

Ugh, you guys fail to see my point. I am trying to prove how dumb it is to say that battletoads is a ripoff of tmnt...All beat-em-ups are the same in general. So I am guessing that since the TMNT debuted you can't have any reptile/amphibian creatures fight to save the world? Man, that is just sad... :roll:

The debate was NEVER over the video games...its about Battletoads as a concept...it was clearly 100% no doubt about it made as a direct parody ripoff of the TMNT...thankfully it died out with Vanilla Ice and grunge music.

[Tokka-B]

Ummm, City of Heroes is a massively multiplayer online RPG, NOT BEAT EM UP!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

[beaker]

Ummm, City of Heroes is a massively multiplayer online RPG, NOT BEAT EM UP!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

Really, you dont say? Have you seen the E3 footage or trailer online? It will be a very very action orientated, onlike those crappy MMORPG games out there. I think a lot of folks on here would be interested in it when it comes out this summer.

[Tokka-B]

No, City of Heroes is an RPG, unless the official page is wrong.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jephael]

Well If you think like that way the cartoon was a ripoff of the original TMNT...

The cartoon wasn't a rip, they were based on the same characters Eastman and Laird created for the comic book. All the cartoonists did was place them into a different genre.

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

BattleToads was/is a pretty good game{so I've heard}. Double Dragon is one of the all time greats,so hey they combined TMNT with DD-works for me! :tsmile:

[MzTheInsomniac]

Well If you think like that way the cartoon was a ripoff of the original TMNT...

The cartoon wasn't a rip, they were based on the same characters Eastman and Laird created for the comic book. All the cartoonists did was place them into a different genre.
yes acrappier genre :D

[Karpo_007]

Well Ripoff is a strong word, But they weren't the characters Eastman and Laird created. Only names and partially looks were same. Well it was never ment to be based on Mirage, but to bring the TMNT to the children.

[beaker]

Ummm, City of Heroes is a massively multiplayer online RPG, NOT BEAT EM UP!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

My, you are right...there will be no action in it and it will all be wait your turn, slow turn based style...what was I thinking? ;)
Yeah...go and watch the E3 footage of CoH and tell me thats an rpg^)^

[Tokka-B]

You are obviously not privy to what an rpg is. First off, a game that has you wait in turn cycles is either called a turn-based rpg, or most likely a turn based strategy game. There are different types of rpgs, and the city of heroes game is obviously the action/rpg type like a zelda type game or diablo. A beat em up, has no concept of gaining experience or levels if you will. You also don't have much choice as to weaponry and all that. Get your facts straight. :lol:

Tell me that this isn't an rpg:
http://www.cityofheroes.com/features.htm

[Prowl]

I do recal a kid in my school having a small poster in his locker of Ninja Elephants, and the first thing that popped into my head, was :how the hell do they hold their weapons." I mean I know the same can be asked about the turtles, but elephants have nothing resembling fingers :) Anyway, never heard from them again, but I always thought the toads were an imitation, and although the game was decent, it never got the play time that the turtle games did for me.

[beaker]

I do recal a kid in my school having a small poster in his locker of Ninja Elephants, and the first thing that popped into my head, was :how the hell do they hold their weapons." I mean I know the same can be asked about the turtles, but elephants have nothing resembling fingers :) Anyway, never heard from them again, but I always thought the toads were an imitation, and although the game was decent, it never got the play time that the turtle games did for me.

Never heard of Ninja Elephants! Weird. Sounds like an interesting slice of obscure 80's memorabilia.

[Tokka-B]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: This is cracking me up, beaker would like tmnt rips as long as they are in 80's....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

but noooooooooo, not the battletoads :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Jephael]

I have this vague memory from elementary school when someone in my class showed me a comic book with a TMNT parody about a bunch of Math Beatles who were raised by a rabbit. I never actually read it, but I wish I could go back and look at it because it was so funny!

[That Matt Guy]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: This is cracking me up, beaker would like tmnt rips as long as they are in 80's....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

but noooooooooo, not the battletoads :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Did you forget? He started hating everything that came after December 31, 1989! :evilgrin:

[Tokka-B]

Yea, that's true.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: