What's So Bad About TMNT FF?

[DaShredder]

I was up at Best Buy today and I saw the first season of Fast Forward at 12.99 and seeing as it was a good deal and I hadn't seen any FF episodes,I got it. I watched the first two episodes last night and alot of the bad reports gave low excpectations,and then....I was very surprised,they were great! So,I just wanted to ask you guys what exactly are you hating about it? I like alot of heavily hated things(like Judge Dredd the movie),so maybe that explains it,but if there's another reason please share.

[mikey2007]

I was up at Best Buy today and I saw the first season of Fast Forward at 12.99 and seeing as it was a good deal and I hadn't seen any FF episodes,I got it. I watched the first two episodes last night and alot of the bad reports gave low excpectations,and then....I was very surprised,they were great! So,I just wanted to ask you guys what exactly are you hating about it? I like alot of heavily hated things(like Judge Dredd the movie),so maybe that explains it,but if there's another reason please share.

read through a lot of the posts, lol it tells u why.....people don't like the animation, the fact they lost all their character development build through 2k3, its too bright, the stories aren't as good as they were in 2k3....i know there are more things people have griped about, i know i don't hate it, but i'll just watch it cuz its turtles, and the stories get a little better as the season goes on

[Jo Dawn]

There aren't enough words...

To make it short, I'd go with...

The complete lack of quality in everything. The storyline has gone down the tubes greatly. I won't go into the quality of art. (Though I could really live with that, if it weren't for the rest of the crap.) We've lost the general quality that 2K3 had.

The characters have changed; they are mere shadows of their old selves. The character building has gone right out the window.

Even worse, they kiddified it. Kids aren't stupid. Kids don't even like FF. But the show is dumbed down now, and I don't tolerate that.

And, the worst of all.... Cody. Just... Cody.



...And that, is my short version. ;) More to come as I think of it.

[gobo]

It's just an extremely pale comparison to previous seasons. Reasonably, it's insulting to think of this as a serious continuation of the story, but most people are just amplifying how bad it is. Even though I hated Scrappy-Doo more than most (even when I was 3), adding a kid as a main character will never be an "no way will this be good now!" development to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's not too bad. It's just far from being as good as the previous seasons. But, now that I think of it, I have a tendency to be generous. :D

[Masked Ninja]

It might be tolerable, except the 4 seasons of real TMNT were so much better. It's like enjoying a steak dinner, then someone switches it out for a slice of balogna. The balogna isn't too bad on its own, but compared to what you were just eating... blech. :tpizza:

[Roseangelo]

The best way I can put it is that you can replace Splinter and the Turtles (and any other established characters) with ANY other generic characters and the show would be exactly the same as it is now. This is not a TMNT cartoon, it is a cartoon that features the TMNT.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I know it's all been said before, but I'll do it anyway.

The art style and animation, an eyesore. Everythings too bright, so much it doesn't fit the tone TMNT has been trying to establish. The overall quality has fallen drastically. Everything looks so flat and blocky.

The writting is terrible, generic, and lacks any of the depth the past 4 seasons have had.

No character development, in fact, it's undone most of the previous character development.

Cody Jones and Serling are generic and useless characters.

The theme song is worse than ever.

The who point of this show was to boost rattings, and it didn't work, so all of this crap was for nothing. What Rose said was right, if you replaced the Turtles with the Cowboys of Moo Mesa, nothing would change. The show might not be completley horrendous, but the fact that it follows the past 4 seasons, which have been nothing short excellent, doesn't make it any easier to swallow.

[Spitfire]

Should be 9.99 at Best Buy...

[ZariusTwo]

I was up at Best Buy today and I saw the first season of Fast Forward at 12.99 and seeing as it was a good deal and I hadn't seen any FF episodes,I got it. I watched the first two episodes last night and alot of the bad reports gave low excpectations,and then....I was very surprised,they were great! So,I just wanted to ask you guys what exactly are you hating about it? I like alot of heavily hated things(like Judge Dredd the movie),so maybe that explains it,but if there's another reason please share.

I like a lot of globally hated comic based movies that are actually intelligent little affairs that stay true to their source material, but if your tastes are allowing you to enjoy Judge Dredd...well, chances are your're obviously going to like low-brow popcorn crap.:)


TMNT unfortunatly, has never been popcorn, with the original it's humour was subversive and it had dark and light moments at the same time, with the recent series, it was mostly dark with less lighter touches, the storylines were tailor made to treat the surroundings and entire premise as something that could happen.

This? This is just dumbass networks eeing the Turtles as toys and putting them in an unreallistic situation, there is no grounded reality, there's no way people beleive Cody is a teen genius, or that this future could hope to exist. It's like taking all of the exaggerations about the future Futurama makes fun of whilst making them it's own world and assuming that this WILL happen

[X]

Got mine for 9.99 at my Best Buy.

In anycase, I have a different opinion then most on these forums. Sure FF can be a pain, but the only reason I would ever call it a pain, is because of the gap from season 4 to season 6. In other words, I would totally be happy with FF, if I had the lost season on DVD. As for why I like FF. Well I don't fear change. Sure the animation took a hit, and the story is a lighter in tone, but if I dealt with it growing up on the 80's-90's Turtles show, and dug it, I can tolerate this, and hey, it still has some good fight scenes. Just because the fights in FF aren't sped up to look like some cracked out videogame running at 60 FPS (or an anime with superb animation I guess,) doesn't mean squat to me honestly. Any Turtles are better then none IMO. Or I guess being 28, I've seen enough in life to know that the nitpicks of FF should not make me lose sleep at night, when the world has real problems to face.

I like the set, just like all previous DVD's (the quality, wish most DVD's were in order.) Can't wait to see if the 2k3 series is condenced into 4 disc sets, to make room in my 400 disc DVD player, for all the 2007 blockbuster movies coming out. :cry:

-X-

[R-iZZy]

I think everyone pretty much said what I wanted.

Lack of character development, horrible storylines, pointless villains (it's like having Garbageman and N.A.N.O. as the main antagonists throughout the entire series), animation is more cartoonish, overuse of bland humor, unnecessarily replaced the Ninja Tribunal arc, and worst of all: "It's ninja time!"

Seriously, this show sucks harder than...... well, I won't go there. But seriously, this show had potential, but completely became a swing-and-a-miss with its childish humor and colorfulness.

Only positives I can think of were the action and the environment/setting... that's about it.

[Tora_Chan]

FF is bad because they took away to many things that make the TMNT who they are by placing them in the future. Suddenly they can walk around without a care in the world, no oppresion whatsoever. And with Cody's wast fortune they don't have to care about getting by either.

They hardly train anymore and if they do it's always silly not to mention completely disconnected from the actual plot the episode.

All of the secondary characters we liked are gone; no more April, Casey, Leatherhead, Nobody, etc. And the new characters like Cody are simply not interesting enough to take their place. This goes for the villians too. And Bishop as a good guy sucks.

They don't really do anything anymore, everything simply happens to them and they never take an initiative to do something against that. No more patrolling the streets, no investigating. Why not find out who Shoka'naboo is or try to find a way to expose Darius Dunn as the criminal he is?

The animation style has changed for the worst, the colors are flat and the sharp edged turtles don't look nearly as good as the old ones.

There is more, but this post is already long enough. Just ask yourself honestly: Would you watch this show if it wasn't TMNT?

[Rooish]

Heh, I agree with every complaint, except that I actually like its theme song more than the 2k3 toon's. Which I will always cringe at.

I didn't know it was possible to make Mikey less mature until Fast Forward.

That being said, I'll probably buy the season set...

[VGiselleH]

It might be tolerable, except the 4 seasons of real TMNT were so much better. It's like enjoying a steak dinner, then someone switches it out for a slice of balogna. The balogna isn't too bad on its own, but compared to what you were just eating... blech. :tpizza:

That one pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. I can enjoy FF to a certain degree, I have no trouble shutting off my brain and go with the flow. It's only knowing what it used to be that that makes it so pale and disappointing to watch (hence the shutting off brain bit to forget about 2k3 while watching FF). The theme song is catchy and fun (must ignore it's not very turtle-ish and overly hyper). One thing I can not ignore even while going into stupid-mode while watching though: the art. No, that's just one big no. Those angles, ugh.

Just ask yourself honestly: Would you watch this show if it wasn't TMNT?

...I wouldn't.

[Buslady]

I'm gonna list my gripes:

Art: it stinks. Gone are the rounded cheeks replaced by rediculous sharp edges. The style looks cheap, less detailed and visually tedious.
Personalities & minor details: The turtles have lost all of their maturity that was gained in the 2k3 run. Splinter watching soaps is out of character and allowing the guys to run around Cody's joint shows there is no discipline at all. Leo's shell is suddenly all healed up, turtle shells don't heal THAT fast.
Other characters: Serling is idiotic, all he ever wants is the others to suffer pain. Cody is a freakin Gary Stu. ANNOYING
Opening titles and theme: Reminiscent of a crap show...Next Mutation. WTF is with CODY in the center on the title card? SPLINTER should be there! Darren (Splinter's voice talent) wasn't too thrilled over that.
Tag lines: "It's ninja time" Okey this is NOT NEXT @#*$ MUTATION! They said it in that. RAPH DOES NOT SAY CRAP LIKE THAT EITHER! Taglines are Mikey's department & it's Raph's job to shut him up.The whole show had been turned into a familiar formula known as the 30-min commercial. There are no 5-6 part epic stories that made the original run (2K3)a great series. No more great adaptations of original comic stories. No more great music, drama, action and major character development. They're stale..static...it's dying a slow death.

And Raph's being make to look like a twit.:evil:

[Jo Dawn]

Yep, I agree with everything said.

However... I don't agree with it being said that it's a fear of change. I don't fear change. I also grew up with the 80's show. (Wellll.... Maybe not 'grew up', persay. I was at least 'younger' then. ;) ) I still hate this.

Why? Simply put: Because it's crap.

[tinlunlau]

another example of why putting superheroes into the future will not work.
(Batman Beyond is the only exception)

[Lady Venus]

I don't think antthing is wrong with TMNT:FF.

[Drtooth]

I will say the worst thing is that they're trying to make it more like the 1980's series, and just managed to make it goofy and juvenile instead. I mean, I can forgive the turtles acting like children... I mean, they have no concerns other than getting back to their own time period.

The show is good for what it is, but compared to the eariler episodes? No. It doesn't work. Ninja Time isn't terrible, but do they REALLY need to make it a poor substitute for "Turtle Power?" Do they even need a going into battle action phrase?

One thing I will say doesn't do the show any good is the "Look how much the world has changed yet oddly stayed the same" plots that took up 90% of the episodes. They must be building up to something, but taking a cue from Sonic X's last season,. they're taking their sweet anus time to tell us what. I'd say, at least half the episodes are enjoyable on some level. But the writing really needs to imporve sharply.

This show was made to sell toys, and they seem to be doing well enough. I finnaly got a couple, myself. I only have Mike and Serling though (Yes, the figure's pretty cool, and I am starting to like the character.)

[gobo]

Just ask yourself honestly: Would you watch this show if it wasn't TMNT?
This is really the only thing that ever needed to be said. :D If it wasn't TMNT, I might never have given it a second look, and I most certainly wouldn't care if I missed an ep. Ben 10 is the only non-AdultSwim show I currently watch on Cartoon Network, and it shares a lot of writers with Fast Forward. Even before noticing the writer-coincidence, I just haven't been very strict about keeping up with all of the episodes. So, that's probably how I'd feel about Fast Forward if it had nothing to do with the Turtles. But, it's still hard to take seriously as an extension of the story set by 2K3.

[raphdude]

I'm gonna list my gripes:

Art: it stinks. Gone are the rounded cheeks replaced by rediculous sharp edges. The style looks cheap, less detailed and visually tedious.
Personalities & minor details: The turtles have lost all of their maturity that was gained in the 2k3 run. Splinter watching soaps is out of character and allowing the guys to run around Cody's joint shows there is no discipline at all. Leo's shell is suddenly all healed up, turtle shells don't heal THAT fast.
Other characters: Serling is idiotic, all he ever wants is the others to suffer pain. Cody is a freakin Gary Stu. ANNOYING
Opening titles and theme: Reminiscent of a crap show...Next Mutation. WTF is with CODY in the center on the title card? SPLINTER should be there! Darren (Splinter's voice talent) wasn't too thrilled over that.
Tag lines: "It's ninja time" Okey this is NOT NEXT @#*$ MUTATION! They said it in that. RAPH DOES NOT SAY CRAP LIKE THAT EITHER! Taglines are Mikey's department & it's Raph's job to shut him up.The whole show had been turned into a familiar formula known as the 30-min commercial. There are no 5-6 part epic stories that made the original run (2K3)a great series. No more great adaptations of original comic stories. No more great music, drama, action and major character development. They're stale..static...it's dying a slow death.

And Raph's being make to look like a twit.:evil:

Buslady,
I couldn't agree with you more! I admit I bought the FF disc yesterday, and I can't get over how those pointy chinned cubist faces bothered me.
The butler guy is right out of Richie Rich. The three headed robot is a lift right out of a two headed Rock Lord Henchman from Gobots: Battle of the Rock Lords that argued with its heads like the 3 Stooges! And the "It's ninja time" makes me cringe! AND I HATE THAT STUPID BLUE LEG ARMOUR!:x
I can't get over how they changed such a wonderful show (the 2003) into this. But I tell you, it always seems to come full circle, doesn't it? First TMNT 2003-05, FF, and now we're getting the CGI movie, to bring the turtles back to their original roots, and costumes (au naturel!) I just didn't think 4KIDS would take the turtles down the "new action figure sellout" path so fast. Wouldn't surprise me if they started a new animation series based on the movie drawn characters, although I'd be happy with the 2003 versions back!
Raphdude

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Yeah I forgot the "It's Ninja Time" ****. Honestly, everytime I tried to give that show a chance, It's Ninja Time caused me to chabge the channel everytime. Honestly. Do you think really ninjas go around saying it's ninja time? Do you think the Foot, before carrying out a mission, all yell It's Ninja Time? **** no, so whats the point of it? To annoy the **** out of long time fans thats what.

Would I watch the show if it wasn't TMNT, ****ing hell no, but I don't watch the show anyway so that takes care of that.

FF is basically TMNT's Goliath Cronicles. It takes all the great storylines and character development of the past seasons, and rapes the good out of it.

[DaShredder]

Some of you are saying it's a 30-minute commercial,what cartoon intending children as a main audience isn't? Some of the best cartoons were! Thundercats,Transformers,GI Joe,etc. Judge Dredd wasn't THAT bad though,I like to watch movies for entertainment value and not seek to endlessly critique them. Unless they're REEEEEEEEEEEEly cheesy or stupid,I usually don't care if they are. Like Epic Movie,probably the most unfunny movie I've ever seen,the joke were just horrible.

[Aelia]

That's because Fast Forward is MUCH more lower quality than the cartoons you've mentioned, oh and most of TMNT's fanbase is WAY above the age of their target audience, so I doubt many people like the fact that the animation and the storyline have almost completely spiraled downward. I could go back and watch those old cartoons and actually enjoy them (And their catchy theme songs. I love the Thundercats theme song.) But Fast Forward is just an insult not only to the TMNT franchise but to Saturday morning itself.

[Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle]

Buslady hit the nose on the head...or whatever metaphor works well here. To put it simply, Fast Forward is a complete BACKSTEP of what 2k3 was. You know, Peter Laird is practically proud of 2k3 for a number of reasons. I'm sure he feels quite disappointed that 4kids took his franchise like this and made it ridiciously kiddy. All the maturity that he was able to build up with 2k3 was stripped away to create a 22 minute toy ad. (Which, since the switch, the ratings have stayed the same.) I wish there could be a way to go back to the original format but 4kids won't allow it. It's a shame. I love 2k3 even more so than the original cartoon series. (And I was a huge fan back in the day.) All we got left to look forward to is the Lost Season when it lands in Austraila next month.

Wow!!!! It's coming out next month!!!!! :D

[Spitfire]

You guys bitch to much the show is fine. I watched what episodes I hadn't seen yet last night and their not that bad. You want to see a bad zap to the future show watch Spider-man Ultimate, that show sucks.

Now it's not on par with Batman Beyond or the 2K3 series by any means but it's not Loonatics. and it's obvious they will go back eventually. Even if the whole series ends like that atleast their home.

Things that do bug me
When they show current times it's still in the new style
Their shells have green lines and not black
Hun's voice
Turtle Titan's new costume...
"Ninja Time!" Ugh that makes me cringe

Other then that it's fine, yeah it sucked hard to start but it got better so I don't see what all the whining is about.

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't Hun's voice different in the videogames too or something? I seem to recall him sounding somewhat different before his FF cameo.

[gobo]

Now it's not on par with Batman Beyond or the 2K3 series by any means but it's not Loonatics.
I considered making the same comment about Loonatics for my last post to this thread. ^_^ When I first saw it, I thought it was amazing. Looney Tunes as superheroes? That's just an awesome idea. Then, I watched a full ep. While not annoying at all, it was hard to pay attention to. I thought maybe I just caught a boring episode. Turns out they're all boring tho. :ohwell: So much wasted potential...

But, back on topic, at least FF isn't as lame as Loonatics Unleashed...

[ZariusTwo]

Some of you are saying it's a 30-minute commercial,what cartoon intending children as a main audience isn't? Some of the best cartoons were! Thundercats,Transformers,GI Joe,etc.

...Did you just seriously compare FF to those shows? They ewere great because the writers chose to make them better than what they were originally intended to be.

There ARE such things as good and bad commerclist series you know, look at Winx Club, look at W.I.T.C.H, look at Totally Spies, look at The Batman's entire first season. PURE. GARBAGE in contrast to the 1980's series, with little improvment.

[Jester]

>> isn't the worst show. NT:TNM takes that spot. And I kinda like Spidey Unlimited...wish they had at least finnished the arc.

[Buslady]

I think I can handle TNM MORE than FF. At least NM Raph has some major muscle goin' hehe...and a cool voice. YAY Matt Hill :D :D

[Jo Dawn]

I think I can handle TNM MORE than FF. At least NM Raph has some major muscle goin' hehe...and a cool voice. YAY Matt Hill :D :D

Actually, I was just thinkin' that. I think I can take Venus more than Cody and FF. Because, you know... NM was sorta supPOSED to be corny, not actually BAD.

[Time Mistress]

I think Masked Ninja and Buslady sum up my feelings best.

Can I tolerate FF? Yes. But should I even have to? No!

Why should I suddenly have to only tolerate a show I've LOVED for the past FOUR SEASONS, especially when it NEVER needed changing to begin with! Ever time I start to think that maybe, just maybe FF isn't that bad, I then watch an episode from an earlier season (or see Cody and his 'kwel' battlesuit unnecessarily save the day again) and realize just how much quality we have truly lost and it gets me VERY mad!:x

Forget fast forwarding! Is there any way we can rewind back to the good stuff?

[Jon]

[QUOTE=ZariusTwo;464639There ARE such things as good and bad commerclist series you know, look at Winx Club, look at W.I.T.C.H, look at Totally Spies, look at The Batman's entire first season. PURE. GARBAGE in contrast to the 1980's series, with little improvment.[/QUOTE]


Oh, please. You think those are "Garbage". Though I didn't watch much of Totally Spies, I've been liking the other 3.

[Ra]

I'm gonna list my gripes:

Art: it stinks. Gone are the rounded cheeks replaced by rediculous sharp edges. The style looks cheap, less detailed and visually tedious.
Personalities & minor details: The turtles have lost all of their maturity that was gained in the 2k3 run. Splinter watching soaps is out of character and allowing the guys to run around Cody's joint shows there is no discipline at all. Leo's shell is suddenly all healed up, turtle shells don't heal THAT fast.
Other characters: Serling is idiotic, all he ever wants is the others to suffer pain. Cody is a freakin Gary Stu. ANNOYING
Opening titles and theme: Reminiscent of a crap show...Next Mutation. WTF is with CODY in the center on the title card? SPLINTER should be there! Darren (Splinter's voice talent) wasn't too thrilled over that.
Tag lines: "It's ninja time" Okey this is NOT NEXT @#*$ MUTATION! They said it in that. RAPH DOES NOT SAY CRAP LIKE THAT EITHER! Taglines are Mikey's department & it's Raph's job to shut him up.The whole show had been turned into a familiar formula known as the 30-min commercial. There are no 5-6 part epic stories that made the original run (2K3)a great series. No more great adaptations of original comic stories. No more great music, drama, action and major character development. They're stale..static...it's dying a slow death.

And Raph's being make to look like a twit.:evil:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that last point.

Not just Raph, but all of the other characters that have matured in the past 4 season have just completely reverted back to being pre-teens or something. Take Don for example in the first episode. To distract Serling by tapping him on the shoulder? That's something an 8 year old Donatello would do, not a 15-16 year old Donatello. Leo has lost his head completely and just seems to be throwing out corny lines whenever possible, Raph (as Buslady bluntly put it) is now a twit who resembles me in grade 7, and Mike...god I don't want to go there. And I'm not touching Splinter with a 20 foot pole.

I must admit, FF makes me laugh, but out of shame and bad puns. Like in the "Body Jacker" episode, when Raph shreds his suit and Don comments on saying it's a rental, I just had to moan and give a weak laugh. It's just not right. No one over the age of 6 would truly love this incarnation of TMNT. Although, as Spitfire has mentioned, the episodes are getting better, it still seems like crap to me.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to pop in a 2k3 DVD and relive the glory days of the New Toon :cry:

[ZariusTwo]

Oh, please. You think those are "Garbage". Though I didn't watch much of Totally Spies, I've been liking the other 3.

Oh please I do woman.

What you like is'nt my concern, what I DISlike is, both Winx and W.I.T.C.H are pure condescending f*cking drivel that do more to show how narrow-minded animation's portrayal of women is despite others getting it right at times. Appauling voice-acting, s*itty scripts, bland animation, stereotyped characters...god

Plus I said "The Batman's first season", learn to read, I enjoyed seasons two and three.

[Jon]

Oh please I do woman.

What you like is'nt my concern, what I DISlike is, both Winx and W.I.T.C.H are pure condescending f*cking drivel that do more to show how narrow-minded animation's portrayal of women is despite others getting it right at times. Appauling voice-acting, s*itty scripts, bland animation, stereotyped characters...god

Plus I said "The Batman's first season", learn to read, I enjoyed seasons two and three.


Well, you're a nasty little one aren't ya. Why not learn to chill-out. And, frankly, could go the other way too ("your dislike shouldn't be others concern!"). Also -- you obviously haven't watched much of those if you think such stuff.

For the record, I'm a guy. But don't even start on any foolish bashing for that, as can tell you likely would with such an attitude.

[Buslady]

There won't ever be a Batman series ever as good as "TAS"...Nobody beats Mark Hamill's Joker (at least in animation, cause Jack was great in the 1st movie)...look how long it went on for and how dark they kept it! WHY can't they do this with TMNT!?

[CyberCubed]

There won't ever be a Batman series ever as good as "TAS"...Nobody beats Mark Hamill's Joker (at least in animation, cause Jack was great in the 1st movie)...look how long it went on for and how dark they kept it! WHY can't they do this with TMNT!?

TMNT even pre-FF has more episodes than B:TAS did.

[Spitfire]

There won't ever be a Batman series ever as good as "TAS"...Nobody beats Mark Hamill's Joker (at least in animation, cause Jack was great in the 1st movie)...look how long it went on for and how dark they kept it! WHY can't they do this with TMNT!?

Beyond is pretty damn close. The last season of Batman when he teamed up with Super-man the series really lost alot of it's dark edge.

[Ra]

There won't ever be a Batman series ever as good as "TAS"...Nobody beats Mark Hamill's Joker (at least in animation, cause Jack was great in the 1st movie)...look how long it went on for and how dark they kept it! WHY can't they do this with TMNT!?
Because of how all of the soccer moms of today go "OMG! Violence on TV! Our kids watch that and are now going to grow up into drug addicts!". Parents of today are just too overprotective of their children, trying to keep them in the land of rainbows and bunnies for that little bit longer. It's a shame that because of things like that, you can't really make TMNT dark. Even in Superman they were saying things like "My God", but if that were done today, there would be riots in the streets *sighs*

[JetsAndHeels]

I guess I am in the minority here, and that is perfectly fine, but I like FF alot. I think its a very cool series.
Not as good as the regular cartoon before it but definately a good one.

[Jester]

I guess I am in the minority here, and that is perfectly fine, but I like FF a lot. I think its a very cool series.
Not as good as the regular cartoon before it but definitely a good one.
Not so small a minority. I agree it's one of the better animated shows still on TV, thought not on par with the original 2k3 series. And how can you all say with a straight face that NT:TNM was better than >>? Yeah NM was meant to be cheesy, but >> isn't exactly supposed to be as dark as it's predecessor either. It was meant to be a lighter more kid friendly alternative to the 2k3 series. Really, which series "Mary Sue" characters are worse? Cody or Venus, Sho'konobo or Dragon Lord? To be honest I can sit through >> but NT:TNM sometimes makes me wanna lobotomize myself. The Turtles not brothers...:dead:

[JetsAndHeels]

I'll be honest, I don't know anything about TNM series. Either I just never heard about it or I totally ignored it but I never saw anything about it.

Judging by most of the comments here I suppose that is a good thing. :)

[Jester]

Indeed. My first exposer to it was when I was in Italy...and that was just the action figures that were awesome. Then for Christmas mom and dad got me the "East Meets West" VHS from the BX (Base EXchance)...Boy was that bad...

[JetsAndHeels]

Getting back to FF, one of the things I like about it is the new type of villains they have. I think Viral is way cool, and Sh' okonabo is interesting to say the least. The dark turtle guys dont intrigue me much but still the other two I mentioned keep my interest.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Because of how all of the soccer moms of today go "OMG! Violence on TV! Our kids watch that and are now going to grow up into drug addicts!". Parents of today are just too overprotective of their children, trying to keep them in the land of rainbows and bunnies for that little bit longer. It's a shame that because of things like that, you can't really make TMNT dark. Even in Superman they were saying things like "My God", but if that were done today, there would be riots in the streets *sighs*

In Superman they showed a guy getting killed and Superman go on a blind rampage nearly killing Supergirl.

Theres no way they could get away with that today withought some retarted overbearing soccer mom whos still breast-feading they're kids at age 10, complaining.

[Ecto Jedi]

Because of how all of the soccer moms of today go "OMG! Violence on TV! Our kids watch that and are now going to grow up into drug addicts!". Parents of today are just too overprotective of their children, trying to keep them in the land of rainbows and bunnies for that little bit longer. It's a shame that because of things like that, you can't really make TMNT dark. Even in Superman they were saying things like "My God", but if that were done today, there would be riots in the streets *sighs*

I see your point, but it's basically always been that way. At least we didn't have to deal with all that "Hero Turtle" bullsh*t over here in North America. Banning nunchaku? Ugh... :ohwell:

[Ra]

Eh, at least before you could show at least a trail of blood when you get punched in the fact. Now all you get are these hash marks all over your face -_-;

[Masked Ninja]

I don't want blood everywhere, but I think it was a little too obviously lacking in a couple spots in the 2k3 series. Case in point: The Ancient One. Splinter got flippin' slashed across the head with a sword. I at least wanted a little red line, because the complete lack of a visible difference made it confusing until he showed up later with a bandage.

Or in Exodus, where Leo gets run through. It would also have dispelled the confusion of where he was hurt - stomach? or as we found out later, shoulder?

[CCRunner524]

I wonder could we petition to get the TMNT writers/animators back? There’s has to be a way for them to realize that people don’t like FF.

[Ecto Jedi]

I wonder could we partition to get the TMNT writers/animators back? There’s has to be a way for them to realize that people don’t like FF.

You mean, petition? Somehow I don't think that'd work.

[Spitfire]

What's your guys problem with Sho'konobo now? I think he's really cool. Reminds me alot of Animus from the Archie series, at least in looks.

He's got a cool agenda as well. Turn the Earth into zombies and his dark TMNT are pretty cool as well.

Yeah I judged FF on the first few episodes too and I hated it, then I watched more and it became eh...now that I've seen them all I can see where he was going with it. It's clearly not displayed the way it was supposed to be.

But seriously you guys whine to much. Whining about it solves nothing, not buying FF crap actually makes things worse, and talking about how it sucks all the time hardly makes anyone who works on it feel good nor does it help get other people into the series.

You guys need to support this, even if you think it's bad. Buy the damn DVD it's 10 dollars for christ sake you can't afford 10 bucks? Buy a figure or two when you get the chance, the toys are decent. Support TMNT though this period and eventually it will get back to what it was. Or atleast bump up the Lost Season.

Whining, bitching, and moaning won't change a thing. What the hell kind of fan abandons something they love because of a down spot? It's not like it's going to stay like this forever you guys know that.

Show a little TMNT spirit.

[Masked Ninja]

^ While I understand that logic, I prefer to support the parts of TMNT I like. Movie figures. Movie tickets. If they do come out with a season 1 boxset, I'll probably get it. Lost Season also, whenever the US gets it. :tgrumble: There will be support. I just don't want to buy something I won't watch. Since they generally keep track of how much of what DVDs sell, I also think it'd be an inaccurate representation of what I personally want to see. *shrug*

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

^ While I understand that logic, I prefer to support the parts of TMNT I like. Movie figures. Movie tickets. If they do come out with a season 1 boxset, I'll probably get it. Lost Season also, whenever the US gets it. :tgrumble: There will be support. I just don't want to buy something I won't watch. Since they generally keep track of how much of what DVDs sell, I also think it'd be an inaccurate representation of what I personally want to see. *shrug*

I feel the same. As I said before, I'd rather the series end then Fast Foward continue. It's a spit in the face of everything the 2K3 series established.

I shouldn't have to support a show I can't stand.

[Spitfire]

I know, but FF is temporary. The Journal proves they DO go back eventually. So to stop supporting the show now means they won't go back. And we won't ever have 2K3 TMNT back now will we? Keep with it and we might have to put up with maybe one more season of FF. But I doubt it. FF was ment to only be 1 season.

I mean have you guys even seen all the episodes? Or did you just watch the annoying and awful Cowboys Of Moo Mesa crossover one?

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I know, but FF is temporary. The Journal proves they DO go back eventually. So to stop supporting the show now means they won't go back. And we won't ever have 2K3 TMNT back now will we? Keep with it and we might have to put up with maybe one more season of FF. But I doubt it. FF was ment to only be 1 season.

I mean have you guys even seen all the episodes? Or did you just watch the annoying and awful Cowboys Of Moo Mesa crossover one?

I've seen about 4 episodes. None impressed me.

And even if they do go back, will the art style, because that contributed to the greatness of the 2K3 series. I can't stand that blocky style.

And if they do go back, will it continue being all stand alone episodes? Also, what will happen to all the character development that FF erased, will that still be in effect or will it magically pop back up.

I don't know the answers, but I do know I should'nt have to suffer through Fast Foward, for the off chance that we get the real TMNT back.

Also, the Journal was all fabricated by Splinter, so it really doesn't count.

[Ecto Jedi]

^ While I understand that logic, I prefer to support the parts of TMNT I like. Movie figures. Movie tickets. If they do come out with a season 1 boxset, I'll probably get it. Lost Season also, whenever the US gets it. :tgrumble: There will be support. I just don't want to buy something I won't watch. Since they generally keep track of how much of what DVDs sell, I also think it'd be an inaccurate representation of what I personally want to see. *shrug*

'Same here. I'll be damned if I buy Fast Forward figures when those brand-spankin'-new movie figures are sitting there waiting for me.

[Spitfire]

I've seen about 4 episodes. None impressed me.

And even if they do go back, will the art style, because that contributed to the greatness of the 2K3 series. I can't stand that blocky style.

And if they do go back, will it continue being all stand alone episodes? Also, what will happen to all the character development that FF erased, will that still be in effect or will it magically pop back up.

I don't know the answers, but I do know I should'nt have to suffer through Fast Foward, for the off chance that we get the real TMNT back.

Also, the Journal was all fabricated by Splinter, so it really doesn't count.
It took the whole DVD to make me accept the show, atleast for now. Since I know it's not for good I figure I just view them as either really bad episodes*Which every show has* or not very good episodes.

You can hardly judge the show on 4 episodes. And as bad as that art style is it grows on you after a awhile. I hardly like it but I know if the show gets picked up and starts doing better then they might get their budget back and will be able to produce a more expensive series.

And yes Ecto Jedi why buy FF figures when there's movie figures to buy too. Or you could buy both. I get 9.55 an hour and I mange just fine to do so. I'm sure you older members make twice what I make. I make peanuts O_O

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

It took the whole DVD to make me accept the show, atleast for now. Since I know it's not for good I figure I just view them as either really bad episodes*Which every show has* or not very good episodes.

You can hardly judge the show on 4 episodes. And as bad as that art style is it grows on you after a awhile. I hardly like it but I know if the show gets picked up and starts doing better then they might get their budget back and will be able to produce a more expensive series.

And yes Ecto Jedi why buy FF figures when there's movie figures to buy too. Or you could buy both. I get 9.55 an hour and I mange just fine to do so. I'm sure you older members make twice what I make. I make peanuts O_O

I actually, I was being generous with Fast Fowrad. Usually I base my judgement of a show on 3 episodes. That art style, will never grow on me, I don't want it to grow on me, it's terrible.

If you can tolerate FF, then you have reached god-status, but I'd rather send a meesage by not watching Fast Fowardd.

[Spitfire]

I actually, I was being generous with Fast Fowrad. Usually I base my judgement of a show on 3 episodes. That art style, will never grow on me, I don't want it to grow on me, it's terrible.

If you can tolerate FF, then you have reached god-status, but I'd rather send a meesage by not watching Fast Fowardd.
haha I'll take that as a compliment.

I just laugh because I see way worse programs on the air then this and yet no one seems to bash them. Then again I am on a TMNT board. But at work I hear people talking about these shows I find to be utterly stupid and how they like them.
American Idol, any reality crap period makes FF look like gold. You want cartoon examples, Gi Joe, Winx Club, basically anything on Nick. It's just crap. Yet people watch it still and it gets good ratings.

Like bad movies, those get praise but something intelligent gets shoved aside because a brain is required to view it. Now FF requires no brain. FF is reverse effect. It's something that required a brain and now does not. And maybe that's why us fans don't like it much, I take that back that IS why us fans don't like it.

It's simply mindless entertainment. And honestly the only reason I see myself enjoying it would be the name TMNT tagged onto it. But even Spider-man Unlimited couldn't hold my attention. But I still gave it a chance.

I bought the DVD and I watched it once. Will I watch it all the time? No not by a long shot. But I hardly mind having it there if I feel like visiting some episodes I haven't seen enough times to remember very well. We all know why FF isn't on par, and we are the only ones who can change that. That's why I support the series. Not because I like it.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I can respect that.

And yeah I agree, there are defintaley worse shows out there. It's easier to name the ones I watch than the ones I don't. Avatar the Last Airbender, Kim Possible, Yin Yang Yo, Naruto, Simpsons, South Park, King of the Hill, and most of the shows on Adult Swim are pretty much the only, currently runing, animated shows I watch. I really hate alot of these, some less than Fast Foward, some, more.

[Buslady]

Because of how all of the soccer moms of today go "OMG! Violence on TV! Our kids watch that and are now going to grow up into drug addicts!". Parents of today are just too overprotective of their children, trying to keep them in the land of rainbows and bunnies for that little bit longer. It's a shame that because of things like that, you can't really make TMNT dark. Even in Superman they were saying things like "My God", but if that were done today, there would be riots in the streets *sighs*


It was the same way back in 1990. Why TMNT2 was as corny as it was because parents has a big $#!+ fit over the violence. If they had a brain cell and watched it, they are taught to fight as a LAST RESORT.
I can proudly say I am not one of those parents who keep tv from the kid. Chris is 12 and he watches Family Guy, Futurama, and all the other junk on Adult Swim. He's not gonna get into drugs, smoking or any of those vices. He is a healthy thinking young man, eats his veggies and plans to live a long healthy life. He's been educated since he was littler. And he knows I'll kick his butt if he touches a joint.

[Jester]

I love how >> is considered "stand alone" episodes. Is this just because there aren't multi-part episodes? There is a distinguishable arc. The story does progress. Family Guy is a series of stand alone episodes. Nothing advances...nothing really changes. TMNT:>> has a story the moves from point A to point B. I'll admit it's not on par with 2k3, but it's not as bad as everyone makes out. Yes, the humor is more juvenile, but the story progression hjas changed very little.

[Spitfire]

It was the same way back in 1990. Why TMNT2 was as corny as it was because parents has a big $#!+ fit over the violence. If they had a brain cell and watched it, they are taught to fight as a LAST RESORT.
I can proudly say I am not one of those parents who keep tv from the kid. Chris is 12 and he watches Family Guy, Futurama, and all the other junk on Adult Swim. He's not gonna get into drugs, smoking or any of those vices. He is a healthy thinking young man, eats his veggies and plans to live a long healthy life. He's been educated since he was littler. And he knows I'll kick his butt if he touches a joint.

I grew up on M rated video games and rated R movies and I've never ingested a drop of alcohol or inhaled, snorted, injected, any means of taking, any drugs either.

Funny to because both my parents are alcoholics*My Mom's the worst* and my Mom used to be a huge drug addict, and my Dad did his fair share as well. Not to mention almost all my friends do, or at some point were huge drug users and drinkers. They learned not to offer it to me. And in fact told me if I did try it they'd kick my ass. They told me they really like having at least one friend who doesn't do anything like that. And also told me some of their best times high or drinking they had with me. And I didn't have to touch any of that to have a good time with them.

[Ecto Jedi]

I grew up on M rated video games and rated R movies and I've never ingested a drop of alcohol or inhaled, snorted, injected, any means of taking, any drugs either.

Well I'm glad to know I'm in good company. :)

Not to mention almost all my friends do, or at some point were huge drug users and drinkers. They learned not to offer it to me. And in fact told me if I did try it they'd kick my ass. They told me they really like having at least one friend who doesn't do anything like that. And also told me some of their best times high or drinking they had with me. And I didn't have to touch any of that to have a good time with them.

Same here, though personally I prefer not to be around when people drink themselves stupid and/or get high. I've got better things to do.

[Buslady]

I grew up in a house seeing coke, the razors, the tile, the straw; qualudes, pot, and whatever else. Mom didn't use, the dope she was with did. I never touched anything illegal ever. Mom had this notion she could cure him of drug usage...well it doesnt happen that way.

[Spitfire]

Same here, though personally I prefer not to be around when people drink themselves stupid and/or get high. I've got better things to do.

Their good people, just because someone does drugs doesn't mean their a bad person. Their all pretty sweet kids just a little mid-guided because they never had someone who cared for them before.

Most of them look to my Mom for a mother figure, the one they seriously lacked and it's cleaned them up.

[Leo's_Girl06]

I dont nessicsarly hate FF but here some things I think they can improve on

1. GET RID OF CODY! At first I kinda liked him but know auggg he is just there and I hate how he always saves the day I mean come on the show is about the turtles not CODY DAMNIT lol.

2. Animation- The Animation really bugs me it seems to childlike to me. Kinda Animeish. I just dont like it

3. No Karai! or any relatives of Karai she was one of my faveriote characters in 2k3 now its kinda boring without her.

4. The theme song- OMG I hate it and that stupid tune gets stuck in my head the whole freaking day it drives me Banana Sandwich!

5. Its Ninja time!- Okay I would have perfered cowabunga instead of this it gets really annoying.

6. The Humor- I dont mind it but all the childish humor is getting really old make up some new jokes!

7. Splinter- He just dont seem like himself. I like the serious Splinter and every once in a while its cute but I hate it when this FF Splinter always says he wants to watch his soaps it gets old after a while.

8- Serling- Last but least Serling! I cant stand him he is very annoying.

Well I could go on and on but we wont have time for that lol.

[mikey2007]

I love how >> is considered "stand alone" episodes. Is this just because there aren't multi-part episodes? There is a distinguishable arc. The story does progress. Family Guy is a series of stand alone episodes. Nothing advances...nothing really changes. TMNT:>> has a story the moves from point A to point B. I'll admit it's not on par with 2k3, but it's not as bad as everyone makes out. Yes, the humor is more juvenile, but the story progression hjas changed very little.

actually if u think about it, things do change on Family Guy...most of the characters advance, stewie doesn't hate lois, brian tries to change....there are a lot of subtle changes, but they are there....lol but for the most part, the randomness is what makes the show so good as is the same for Aqua Teen Hunger Force

[ZariusTwo]

FG evolves a lot quicker than certain other victims of stagnation, like The Simpsons. As noted above, Brian's character has multiple aspects to it, including that notion he's a racist. Meg went from annoying character to series scapegoat, which in turn gave her a fanbase eager to see her finally be accepted as a family member, and Stewie has went from generic "hate the mommy, rule the world", to retain all of that but show a...let's just say an affinity for shaving coin purses.

[Jo Dawn]

I dont nessicsarly hate FF but here some things I think they can improve on

1. GET RID OF CODY! At first I kinda liked him but know auggg he is just there and I hate how he always saves the day I mean come on the show is about the turtles not CODY DAMNIT lol.

2. Animation- The Animation really bugs me it seems to childlike to me. Kinda Animeish. I just dont like it

3. No Karai! or any relatives of Karai she was one of my faveriote characters in 2k3 now its kinda boring without her.

4. The theme song- OMG I hate it and that stupid tune gets stuck in my head the whole freaking day it drives me Banana Sandwich!

5. Its Ninja time!- Okay I would have perfered cowabunga instead of this it gets really annoying.

6. The Humor- I dont mind it but all the childish humor is getting really old make up some new jokes!

7. Splinter- He just dont seem like himself. I like the serious Splinter and every once in a while its cute but I hate it when this FF Splinter always says he wants to watch his soaps it gets old after a while.

8- Serling- Last but least Serling! I cant stand him he is very annoying.

Well I could go on and on but we wont have time for that lol.

So... you wanna change everything about it, heh? I'm with ya.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

FG evolves a lot quicker than certain other victims of stagnation, like The Simpsons. As noted above, Brian's character has multiple aspects to it, including that notion he's a racist. Meg went from annoying character to series scapegoat, which in turn gave her a fanbase eager to see her finally be accepted as a family member, and Stewie has went from generic "hate the mommy, rule the world", to retain all of that but show a...let's just say an affinity for shaving coin purses.

Still doesn't save the show from being terrible.

[gobo]

Still doesn't save the show from being terrible.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :| I'm sorry. Was that out loud? You really think Family Guy is bad? It's too rediculously humorous to be bad. But, if you insist...

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :| I'm sorry. Was that out loud? You really think Family Guy is bad? It's too rediculously humorous to be bad. But, if you insist...

I think Family Guy is one of the biggest insults to animation period. I'd **** on the show, but my **** is to good for it.

[mikey2007]

I think Family Guy is one of the biggest insults to animation period. I'd **** on the show, but my **** is to good for it.

wow, now that's harsh.... someone doesn't love randomness and humor

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

wow, now that's harsh.... someone doesn't love randomness and humor

I do....when it's done right.

[gobo]

I think Family Guy is one of the biggest insults to animation period. I'd **** on the show, but my **** is to good for it.
As long as you don't say South Park is better, I'm fine with it. :)

[ZariusTwo]

Third, you would'nt happen to be John K are you?:lol:

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

As long as you don't say South Park is better, I'm fine with it. :)

South Park is better. hella better

Third, you would'nt happen to be John K are you?

I wish. John K is my idol in animation

[gobo]

South Park is better. hella better
O_O Family Guy = comedy. South Park = over-the-top, sensationalist shock-art. *closes his eyes & ears & goes to his happy place*
John K is my idol in animation
Oh... Now, I understand. To each their own. ^_^

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

O_O Family Guy = comedy. South Park = over-the-top, sensationalist shock-art. *closes his eyes & ears & goes to his happy place*

Oh... Now, I understand. To each their own. ^_^

Yeah, I'm an animation buff, and FG just doesn't appeal to me in anyway. I used to love when I was 11, then I grew up and now I hate the show.

[Whitewolf89]

Also, the Journal was all fabricated by Splinter, so it really doesn't count.

Er, beg pardon, but MAYBE you ought to watch this ep again when it reruns again.

When you do, you'll see that there are TWO Journals; the FAKE one that the boys read, after Splinter AND Cody warned them NOT to (AND that the latter two made on the Transindental (sp?) Lathe, knowing that our boys WOULD try to read it), AND the REAL one that April and Casey wrote AFTER Splinter and the boys disappeared, and that Cody was reading at the end of the ep. From what I saw of THAT one, the boys and Splinter WILL be going back to their own time eventually. WHEN, I don't know (NONE of us do.), but 4Kids OBVIOUSLY has something up their sleeves for later, where the series is concerned. We'll just have to wait and see what it is.

And I'm NOT trying to be hostile, cynical, or whatever here; please understand that. I'm just trying to be helpful.

On another note, I tend to agree with Spitfire, because I, for one, actually really LIKE Fast Forward. But then again, I like ANYTHING about the Turtles. (I can't speak for TNM 'cause I never got to see it, because I don't think that our local Fox station (or WHATEVER station that it was on!) carried it. (Or IF they did, it was on at a time that was incompatable with my schedule..which is the more likely scenario, actually.))

And I can only add this humble bit of advice to ALL of you FF-haters: If you don't LIKE Fast Forward, then just DON'T watch it...TMNT cartoon, or not...IF you all hate it THAT much. If I don't LIKE something, I sure as SHELL won't watch it (buy it; read it; whatever) just 'cause it's connected to something that I DO like...like the TMNT. (Case in point: the Image TMNT comic series. I bought one issue of that, read it, didn't like it, and gave it to my niece Ashley, who did. (Go figure.) WHY didn't I like it? Some of the stuff in it (I've read the comic-sysnopses about it on the official website, so I know the basic storyline.) was just a bit too-farfetched for me. And that is the ONLY TMNT comic series that I do NOT own, and have absolutely NO inclination to. Don't like it; won't buy it, or own it. 'Nuff said.

And I agree that Cody is a bit annoying, but so are my nieces and nephews upon occassion. That's just the nature of kids in general. And Cody has grown on me. He will never be my fave character (on FF, anyway); RAPH already holds THAT particular honor, and NOBODY is bumping HIM out of the No. 1 spot in my heart (he probably wouldn't let that happen, anyway:lol: ); but he's kinda grown on me. To the point that I get pissed whenever Darius pulls HIS crap! But then again, I absolutely do NOT like Darius Dun. Period. He's a creep, and a crook, and needs to be in jail.

Aaaaand that's MY humble two-cents on this subject.:P :lol: ;)

[gobo]

I still prefer to think of >> as the amateurish attempt at a comic storyline by Mikey, riddled with continuity errors, poor character development and etc. :P

[Jo Dawn]

And I can only add this humble bit of advice to ALL of you FF-haters: If you don't LIKE Fast Forward, then just DON'T watch it...TMNT cartoon, or not...IF you all hate it THAT much. If I don't LIKE something, I sure as SHELL won't watch it (buy it; read it; whatever) just 'cause it's connected to something that I DO like...like the TMNT. (Case in point: the Image TMNT comic series. I bought one issue of that, read it, didn't like it, and gave it to my niece Ashley, who did. (Go figure.)

Well, I'd about agree with that, but... How can I (or anyone else) give their two cents without actually watching the show. I know I would like to be able to put forth an educated opinion. And no one will listen to anyone's opinion if they have no experience in the matter. Just asking, really.


WHY didn't I like it? Some of the stuff in it (I've read the comic-sysnopses about it on the official website, so I know the basic storyline.) was just a bit too-farfetched for me. And that is the ONLY TMNT comic series that I do NOT own, and have absolutely NO inclination to. Don't like it; won't buy it, or own it. 'Nuff said.

Interesting. I mean, besides the fact that you only gave it one issue as a chance... But you like FF, but not Image? Out of curiousity... I mean, FF is some farfetched crap. Idyllic settings, notwithstanding, the list goes on and on. So what makes this so much different than Image?


And I agree that Cody is a bit annoying, but so are my nieces and nephews upon occassion. That's just the nature of kids in general.

And here is why I choose not to spawn. :lol:

[Robhp03]

They should rename it
Cody and his Turtle Friends

They turned my favorite show into pure CRAP ! :dead:

The show revolves around nothing but CODY, Cant go anywhere , do anything without him and when their in trouble TURTLE CODY will save the day ! :ohwell:

Since when have the turtles relied on a child to save them ?

Its no longer about the teenage mutant ninja turtles its all about CODY and his guardian turtles.

[kerfootw]

It started out pretty good for me, then it lacked a lot of important elements (dialogue, suspense, writing, character dimensions, etc.), then it got pretty good again those last few episodes. Still, when I heard this way back when, I pictured it with the same art as the 2k3 series, NY and the world are in peril like in the Tribunal story arc, the TMNT have to stop the alien takeover (even teaming up with Bishop), and there would be a number of great revelations around the history of the O'Neils and stuff. I was so pissed when everyone started hating the news but when I saw the animation for the FF preview I was like ".....Oh." and stuff. I still had a lot of (and probably still do) enthusiasm for the series and it's not TOO bad.
Overall, it's pretty decent but I just really want my 2003 TMNT back now!

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I must admit, I bought the Fast Forward Dvd on a leap of faith, for my love of the turtles. I had only seen one episode on tv and i said nah. But honestly, I must say I am surprised in a good way. Yes, the animation and depth is far from the 2k3 series...as well as the annoying Cody.

But on the other hand I couldn't help but had fun with it. I guess for the same reason as why I love TMNT 2 movie lol, for fun. Now I would be the first to want a darker, more mature show...but i liked the interaction between Raph and Mikey in Fast Forward (as well as in the 2k3).

And also it featured perhaps one of my favorite moments in TMNT canon.....Mikey making a little puppet version of Raphael and carrying it on his back/chatting with it throughout the episode, and the reaction the real Raph had with the whole thing....that was so funny and cute lol.

[kerfootw]

And also it featured perhaps one of my favorite moments in TMNT canon.....Mikey making a little puppet version of Raphael and carrying it on his back/chatting with it throughout the episode, and the reaction the real Raph had with the whole thing....that was so funny and cute lol.

Mikey must feel real disassociated from Raph that he'd allow his subconscious to physically create a more "loveable" Raph. Raph needs to hug him. I can picture it now.
(Don and Leo push Raph and Mikey so close their chests touch but Raph and Mikey pull their heads the other way while Splinter or Cody shouts: "Raph, HUG YOUR BROTHER!")

[Unicron the Agitator]

I admit that I didn't give Fast Forward a chance. I didn't like the direction it was taking and actully removed it from my DVR recording list. I thought it was a slap in the face of the 2K3 series and a cheep attempt to sell toys. I passed up on getting the season set, despite it being under ten bucks. I finally caved in and purchsed it a few days ago. I watched the first disc and realized that it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. Sure, it's more kid friendly, and the slapstick is played up a bit too much, but the fighting sequences are still very well staged and there are some interesting new characters. It has potential, and if done right, could become a really stellar series. That all being said, I still want the boys to get back to our time and continue the 2K3 storyline.

[SpiderHulkThing]

So I got the Fast Forward dvd set the other day and started watching it. It's not terrible, but it's not excellent either. I guess they felt a need for variety, but I don't know why they bothered. It's worth watching, but I miss the shows before it. They were great. I really feel like they're trying to dumb the show down some for a younger audience. That stupid intro supports my feelings on that. But even as a seven-year-old, I would have liked the series before FF better.


So does anyone know for certain, that the turtles will go home? Will the shows go back to normal, or is it all hands up? I guess it's more of a wait and see kind of thing, but I also finally got rest of season 4 the other day too and I want more. And I actually thought season 4 had been released already with the 5 episodes discs. I thought it was just a marketing thing, but I'm glad I read on this site somewhere that it had different episodes. :D

[shuriken]

Fast forward is ok. But to tell you the truth I've only seen like four episodes. Of course it really didn't appeal to me all that much. It just seemed too... bright for me. Bright can be good as shown in the older series. Next mutation was also bad due to this but i guess it was meant to be bad because of those annoying sound effects and horrible animatronics and corny villians.Although I must admit I thought the initial idea of Dragon Lord was cool it's just the horrible execution of his character. Anyways back to the point. It being too bright especially after the darker more serious 2k3 series just takes away from the awesomeness of it. I guess I'll try watching more eps but I don't see why I should watch something I don't enjoy. I'm sure this change is temporary but the simple fact is that the new tmnt series won't ever be the same. For better or for worse.
peace

[Sage Ninja]

Mikey must feel real disassociated from Raph that he'd allow his subconscious to physically create a more "loveable" Raph. Raph needs to hug him. I can picture it now.
(Don and Leo push Raph and Mikey so close their chests touch but Raph and Mikey pull their heads the other way while Splinter or Cody shouts: "Raph, HUG YOUR BROTHER!")

I don't know why, but I feel that Raphael and Mikey get along better in FF. I haven't watched to many episdes but I can't recall any intances of Mikey and Raph bickering or trying to kill each other. I don't think Raph (or any of the other turtles) has even smacked him in this series yet? Hmm. but then all the relationships the characters had with one seem to be watered down. I think Mikey just made the puppet to annoy Raphael LOL.

But to get back to the FF thing. I wouldn't have a problem with them being in the future if it was done in 2k3 style of animation and story telling, and if they incorporated some volume four story lines into it. ANd also if the FF fopeward thing was only temporary.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

But to get back to the FF thing. I wouldn't have a problem with them being in the future if it was done in 2k3 style of animation and story telling, and if they incorporated some volume four story lines into it. ANd also if the FF fopeward thing was only temporary.

Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with FF is it was like that. If it was a 5 episode story arc or something, o.k.(in fact I'd encoperate some SAINW elements into it), but not a total replacement for a good show.

So does anyone know for certain, that the turtles will go home? Will the shows go back to normal, or is it all hands up?

Peter Laird says he wants to wrap things up in season 2 and bring the boys back home.

[SpiderHulkThing]

Peter Laird says he wants to wrap things up in season 2 and bring the boys back home.



Great news :D

[CyberCubed]

That's assuming the show will get a Season 7, (or wait, that would be a Season 8, right? Damn, the season numbers are getting confusing now).

Peter Lairds statement could be interpeted that he wants to wrap up the show altogether and bring the boys home and call it a day. There's no guarentee that we'd get a new season in the present when FF ends at all.

[kerfootw]

Yes, it would be a Season 7 if we were to continue.

[kerfootw]

Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with FF is it was like that. If it was a 5 episode story arc or something, o.k.(in fact I'd encoperate some SAINW elements into it), but not a total replacement for a good show.



Peter Laird says he wants to wrap things up in season 2 and bring the boys back home.

Link please now.

[Lone Wolf]

Link please now.

I concur. Also, I agree that South Park is vastly superior to Family Guy. And Fast Forward sucks.

[Whitewolf89]

Link please now.

I definitely agree.

[Ra]

Link please now.
Yes. Links will be good. Very good *gets an angry mob all worked up for links to be posted*

[Ratchet]

Having just watched most of TLS I can sorta see why they jumped onto Fast Forward. TLS is definitely one of those things that, like the latter seasons of Batman, is a little heavier than what the target audience (from a commercial point of view) would be used to. The Lost Season isn't something one can just come into cold, or miss an episode of, because it all links into the past of the Turtles and the episodes are continuous (for the Ninja Tribunal stories). Miss one episode and you'll miss out on some neat things, not to mention have to play catch up later. Fast Forward is all straight forward, done-in-one fun. You have the overall Shokanabo arcs. I for one, don't have a problem with Fast Forward. The art isn't that much different and reminds me a lot of Dario Brizuela's work in the comics. It is what it is.

[oldshreddersgirl]

I was up at Best Buy today and I saw the first season of Fast Forward at 12.99 and seeing as it was a good deal and I hadn't seen any FF episodes,I got it. I watched the first two episodes last night and alot of the bad reports gave low excpectations,and then....I was very surprised,they were great! So,I just wanted to ask you guys what exactly are you hating about it? I like alot of heavily hated things(like Judge Dredd the movie),so maybe that explains it,but if there's another reason please share.

FF did not make any sense to me fast forwarded into the feature? for what? please it made no sense

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Having just watched most of TLS I can sorta see why they jumped onto Fast Forward. TLS is definitely one of those things that, like the latter seasons of Batman, is a little heavier than what the target audience (from a commercial point of view) would be used to. The Lost Season isn't something one can just come into cold, or miss an episode of, because it all links into the past of the Turtles and the episodes are continuous (for the Ninja Tribunal stories). Miss one episode and you'll miss out on some neat things, not to mention have to play catch up later. Fast Forward is all straight forward, done-in-one fun. You have the overall Shokanabo arcs. I for one, don't have a problem with Fast Forward. The art isn't that much different and reminds me a lot of Dario Brizuela's work in the comics. It is what it is.

Don't insult the man.