Rage Against The Machine returns - Audioslave no more

[Barkworm]

Kind of old news but I thought I could start a thread about it anyway.
I loved both RATM and Soundgarden but Audioslave simply wasn't that great, especially their development towards a more pop-rock based sound bugged me.

[Anarky]

I was a big RATM-fan, but Audioslave just felt like... lukewarm coffee. Trying too hard at perfecting a thing that didn't need an improvement. But some songs were rather nice, I must admit. They just lacked the je-ne-sais-quoi that RATM had.

[Barkworm]

To me it seemed like the Rage guys thought with a "real" singer like Cornell they could write more melodic rock tunes. And they just weren't that good at it.

[GK Punk]

I actually liked the first album, but nothing since then.

[Barkworm]

Yeah, me too. I'm looking forward to both the Rage reunion as well as Cornell's solo album though.

EDIT: I'm listening to an acoustic gig Cornell did last year and DAMN! I had almost forgotten what an incredible singer he is. Do yourself a favour and check this sh*t out.

[GK Punk]

I was actually listening to RATM's first album a few days ago for the first time in a few years. I forgot how great that album was. Easily my favorite of their stuff as well.

[Barkworm]

I actually didn't own the first RATM album till like three weeks ago. Amazing album. My favourite track is probably "Take the power back". I love the bass line on that one.

[PaulKersey]

To be honest, i dont mind. Audioslave made a fine album in 2002, but the two other cds aint very impressive.

[Tabularasa]

I was never a RATM fan so it didn't bother me, and Cornell is a good enough singer. I love their first album and the second wasn't so bad but their latest was a dissapointment.

[Barkworm]

"Good enough"??? BLASPHEMY!!!!!!

[Tabularasa]

lol, Cornell is def. one of the best singers right now in rock but I mean for the kind of songs Audioslave was doing, Cornell was a good fit.

[Stimor]

and they ripped metallica off with one of their songs, hiss i tell ye!

[GK Punk]

That's okay, Metallica Ripped off a Megadeth song or two in their day so it's only fair ;)

[Stimor]

That's okay, Metallica Ripped off a Megadeth song or two in their day so it's only fair ;)

even though the lead singer of megadeth was in metallica and i think there is some confusion in ye heart, brains and the left leg from the right. naming them songs would be nice and it by no logic is fair

[KROW]

I think the fairness of which Michi is speaking is that Audioslave ripped off Metallica, who ripped off Megadeth, thereby making it a sort of karmaic retribution. As for the actual songs, I'm not sure what they are. All I can think of are the songs Mustaine helped compose that are accredited to Metallica in their first two albums.

Those songs being:
"The Four Horsemen"
"Jump in the Fire"
"Phantom Lord"
"Metal Militia"
"Ride the Lightning"
"The Call of Ktulu"

[GK Punk]

I think the fairness of which Michi is speaking is that Audioslave ripped off Metallica, who ripped off Megadeth, thereby making it a sort of karmaic retribution. As for the actual songs, I'm not sure what they are. All I can think of are the songs Mustaine helped compose that are accredited to Metallica in their first two albums.

Those songs being:
"The Four Horsemen"
"Jump in the Fire"
"Phantom Lord"
"Metal Militia"
"Ride the Lightning"
"The Call of Ktulu"

Yep, that was basically the joke I was going for. That and there was a song on the black album that had the same bassline as Megadeth's "Dawn patrol" that was released on Rust in peace one year earlier.

[Barkworm]

Also "The Four Horsemen" was actually written by Mustaine alone, Hetfield and Ulrich just changed the lyrics and added a new bridge to get writing credits.

[Stimor]

so metallica did not rip anything from megadeth, simply had songs that mustaine helped to compose when he was in metallica. thus, being metallica songs! there was no megadeth +_-

[GK Punk]

well. there's still the song "The god that failed" (I Think this was the right name, I dont own any metallica albums anymore) That used the same bassline, almost note for note, as Megadeth's "The dawn patrol" a song that came out at least one year before Metallica's version.

Other than that, I was pretty much joking. I forgot how touchy Metallica fans can be over the whole Dave vs Metallica thing.

[Stimor]

well it is not my fault it was not true, don't take it out on me

[GK Punk]

uh... ok...?//

[Barkworm]

well it is not my fault it was not true, don't take it out on me
What's up with you? Every second post you make is some sort of trolling.

[Stimor]

i bet they suddenly turn out to be so, *cough*

[KROW]

I forgot how touchy Metallica fans can be over the whole Dave vs Metallica thing.

I never really got that. I was a big Metallica fan up until '92/'93 and when I heard about how Mustaine got booted, my reaction was, "Huh?!" I never understood why, other than that Dave was a "mean drunk." I never got all tight in the pants about it because that manuever eventually gave us Megadeth. Quite frankly, I think Mustaine probably looks back and laughs. Because although he hasn't sold that many albums in comparison, at least his band hasn't broken down into shouting matches, creative struggles, Napster lawsuits, and rehab trips.

Anyway, on the subject of Cornell, I recently heard that he did a live cover of "Billie Jean." I thought he did a good job.

[GK Punk]

I never did either. I always prefered Megadeth but never had any real problem with Metallica, except jokingly (and when Metallica fans freak out over that).

And as I've said, Cornell really can't do any wrong.

[Stimor]

it looks like even mentioning metallica got some life to megadeth fans, i wish i would get to start such stuff from time to time

[Barkworm]

Quite frankly, I think Mustaine probably looks back and laughs. Because although he hasn't sold that many albums in comparison, at least his band hasn't broken down into shouting matches, creative struggles, Napster lawsuits, and rehab trips.

Anyway, on the subject of Cornell, I recently heard that he did a live cover of "Billie Jean." I thought he did a good job.
As far as I always got it, it's the complete opposite: Even after all these years Mustaine still holds a grudge about it. Have you seen "Some Kind of Monster"? When they talked about him and Metallica he seemed downright depressed. And he still takes every opportunity to bash Kirk Hammett.

By the way, the Billie Jean cover will be on Cornell's new album "Carry On".

[KROW]

As far as I always got it, it's the complete opposite: Even after all these years Mustaine still holds a grudge about it. Have you seen "Some Kind of Monster"? When they talked about him and Metallica he seemed downright depressed. And he still takes every opportunity to bash Kirk Hammett.
Really? I haven't seen the film, though I do want to. But I've noticed that in some documentaries, the director will leave certain things out to make their movie seem biased. "Beyond the Mat" is a good example.

I'm not saying that's the case with "...Monster," just that since it's about Metallica, they'd leave out a good deal of Mustaine's interview -- using only the bad things he's saying about them -- just to make the band look good.

I'll have to see it to make any solid judgment.

[GK Punk]

Mustaine said in an interview that they only showed that one side of the whole thing, he thinks to make him look bad. I need to find that issue of Guitar, I can type up his exact words.

[Tabularasa]

I know I'm in the minority here but personally I like Metallica without Dave. I'm not a huge fan of the first two albums and honestly a band can only sing about death and darkness for so long until it gets old which is why I have no problem with Load and Reload. Sure it's no where near as good as the other stuff but at least it was a change.

Looking foreward to the new album in 07/08.

[GK Punk]

Dave writes a lot more political stuff with Megadeth for the last 16 years or so, and that's the megadeth stuff I prefer. (Starting with Rust in peace and up)
Of course, Risk well just pretend never happened :lol:

i liked a few songs on load/reload but for the most part, I just can't seem to get in to Metallica. I think it's Kirk Hammet's guitar playing, it just doesn't appeal to me personally.

[Anarky]

Ladies and Gentlemen, it is official... Rage is getting back together! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_Against_the_Machine#Reunion_.282007.29)