New clip? Leo and Raph arguing before the fight.

[Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p_JlReTEMs

:D

[-Savannah-]

I really like how much that the producers have evolved each character's personality. It makes them more believeable in their motives and outlooks.

By the way, nice video!

[Tortuga Joe]

That clip was so good, Raph and Leo's voice acting was really intense, and like what Savannah said, I loved how well their personalities seemed to have been developed. I really like how Leo's voice has turned out for this film, it's so much different a Leo than we've heard before. Way more take charge, and kind of agressive too. Solid clip.

[johnnyblaze]

what I love about that clip is how frustrated Leo is. Its like he is at a point where he does'nt knwo what to do. Not to mention his asking Raph why he hates him for trying to be better for them was a great line to throw in. It kind of speaks volumes because it seems like Leo just wants to know why Raph hates him (even though we know Raph does'nt hate him, he just hates how he acts sometimes)

[theredgnome]

Go Raphael!!

[Warhorse]

^Becareful, you could start another one of those whose is bigger wars that's going on between the two most dynamic characters in the TMNT universe.

[Magdolin]

~ Yay! The TMNT are fun, coooooolll and yet they are funny!!!! ~
lol Why did i sing that. I'm waiting for the DVD to come out in stores on july 10th. My god i can't wait to watch it!!!!!

[theredgnome]

^Becareful, you could start another one of those whose is bigger wars that's going on between the two most dynamic characters in the TMNT universe.

My bad! I'm just excited. That's all.

[Rooish]

Man, I freaking love what I've seen of Leo's portrayal. The most easy-to-relate to Leo yet.

[AquaParade]

Ya, Leo's character really shines here, as well as the dialouge going on. I could do without the "I'm better then you" line, but we all say things we dont mean when were angry, and thats kinda how I see Leo right now. I refuse to pick a side :), besides, this is probably going to be one of Leo's best incarnations yet. He really does sound agressive. I was questioning his voice acting when I heard it on the pc demo, but he sounds great here.

[jignat]

I kinda like that "better than you" quote , b/c it makes sense that it could be said in the heat of the moment.
Also, it shows Leo is not this saintlyperfect/goody 2 shoes character that he seems to be portrtayed as iin past incarnations.Hes human err turtle just like the rest of us.

[Fledermaus]

I kinda like that "better than you" quote , b/c it makes sense that it could be said in the heat of the moment.
Also, it shows Leo is not this saintlyperfect/goody 2 shoes character that he seems to be portrtayed as iin past incarnations.Hes human err turtle just like the rest of us.

I think it would have been a lot slimier if Leo had found a more intelligent way to say "I'm better than you" without actually saying it -- and hence give Raph better motive to settle the dispute in a physical fight. In real life, it would not be difficult to verbally shoot down a simple "And you know something..." (We wait anxiously for something that'll really cut us to the quick. We wait for something specific, maybe something a little subtle. Something personal, because the personal things that our family members know hurt the most.) Instead, we are given the laugh out loud, "I'm better than you." Better HOW? Better at being a flipping dick? Better at beat box? Does Leo say he's a better brother, who is responsible and actually gives a rip about something other than his ego? No. He's just "better." Why the hell doesn't Raph put Leo's fat foot into his mouth? The situation begs for it. Raph could score another point for himself. I'm sure my younger brother, jealous/resentful of the attention and support I got, would say I'm better at.... (insert scathing insults here.)

Leo should have said something specific and true that Raph would be sensitive about. THEN, because all possibility of witty retort has been obliterated, the fists and sharp metal objects are summoned by the forces of nature. :)

And that is why that scene frustrates me.

[triplexxx]

Instead, we are given the laugh out loud, "I'm better than you." Better HOW? Better at being a flipping dick? Better at beat box? Does Leo say he's a better brother, who is responsible and actually gives a rip about something other than his ego? No. He's just "better." Why the hell doesn't Raph put Leo's fat foot into his mouth? The situation begs for it.
He does.
He shatters Leonardo's swords, beats him down, and leaves him to get captured. And Leonardo's ego problem is nothing new, that's one of the most significant things he has in common with Raphael. Heck, Michaelangelo has been known to be show off, and Donatello has gloated about his intellect before too "I am so good". All the turtles have shown to have egotistical at least every now and then.

[Fledermaus]

He does.
He shatters Leonardo's swords, beats him down, and leaves him to get captured. And Leonardo's ego problem is nothing new, that's one of the most significant things he has in common with Raphael. Heck, Michaelangelo has been known to be show off, and Donatello has gloated about his intellect before too "I am so good". All the turtles have shown to have egotistical at least every now and then.

Haven't seen the movie yet, was drawing only from the clips which have been released, but thanks for spoiling me.:| (I only highlighted the first five words... and I thought, okay stopping there. Then I reply, and stupid me, there are all the words you wrote spoiling the scene.:( ) Anyway, my point:

When I used that expression, I meant verbally, not physically. I tried to prove that there needs to be more incentive for physical rather than verbal resolution. I'm sure the fight is awesome. I'm not convinced of the transition into that fight. I believe all the tension until Leo says those lines and Raph doesn't throw them back at him with a quick retort that winks its eye at the naked foppishness, the immaturity of "I'm better than you are!! Nah nah! *sticks out tongue*. He could say one easy line that truly takes advantage of Leo's mistake at being vague and then proceed to stab his eye out with a sai, or whatever he does in the next scene.

I'll let it go. It really doesn't make sense to me. Then again, I haven't seen the movie and you have. So I'll let it go.

[Rooish]

What weirds me out is that it really doesn't seem that Leo says it in the heat of the moment. He yells for a while, then stops, looks at Raph, and says quietly, "I'm better than you." That seemed pretty calculated. And lame. He's trying to start a fight, I think. He wants to whoop Raph's ass as much as Raph wants to whoop his.

[Draconic]

Oh snap!
Only 3 days...

*waits impatiently*

[johnnyblaze]

What weirds me out is that it really doesn't seem that Leo says it in the heat of the moment. He yells for a while, then stops, looks at Raph, and says quietly, "I'm better than you." That seemed pretty calculated. And lame. He's trying to start a fight, I think. He wants to whoop Raph's ass as much as Raph wants to whoop his.

what I find interesting is that when Raph puts up his hands to fight Leo apparently tells him not to do this. Sees kind of like a change of heart when he realized what was about to go down. I can't confirm that but I read that from someone who saw the film

[Rooish]

what I find interesting is that when Raph puts up his hands to fight Leo apparently tells him not to do this. Sees kind of like a change of heart when he realized what was about to go down. I can't confirm that but I read that from someone who saw the film

I heard that too, and it confuses me. Leo tries to stop Raph ("You don't want to do this") once Raph whips his sais out. I like Leo, but I didn't like what he did there. It was manipulative; he victimises himself in this scene, and makes himself seem like the good moral one by telling Raph that he doesn't want to fight. He antagonised Raph in what I saw as a quite calm, calculated challenge--"I'm better than you"--and then he acts like he doesn't want to fight. He's basically starting a physical fight and then putting the blame on Raph.

[Brandatello]

that was awesome.....

[johnnyblaze]

I heard that too, and it confuses me. Leo tries to stop Raph ("You don't want to do this") once Raph whips his sais out. I like Leo, but I didn't like what he did there. It was manipulative; he victimises himself in this scene, and makes himself seem like the good moral one by telling Raph that he doesn't want to fight. He antagonised Raph in what I saw as a quite calm, calculated challenge--"I'm better than you"--and then he acts like he doesn't want to fight. He's basically starting a physical fight and then putting the blame on Raph.

I can understand how it can be seen that way but the impression I get is that he realized he crossed a line big time and wants to take it back, even though he truly believes what he said. (ofcourse I have to watch the film to see exactly how it plays out) Plus someone mentioned that Leo holds back during the fight during certain point, pulling punches and stuff like that. it seems to me like he realized he is making things worse and can't get out of it before hell breaks loose between he and Raph. His losing could be the big lesson he needed to learn--respect his brothers, respect his family. If he wants their respect, he's got to give it back.

I'm eager to see the two of them after the fight. I noticed clips from commercials where Leo is in what looks like Winter's manison and the other 3 land next to him ready to fight and Raph looks at Leo and smiles. Then there was another one where they are all standing around Raph pumps his fist in excitement turns to Leo and they give each other a pound. scenes of them getting along and fighting with each other instead of 'with' each other i'm hoping will be a highlight. it seems like that fight was all they needed to vent and to get off their high horses.

[Sewer Bull]

He does.
He shatters Leonardo's swords, beats him down, and leaves him to get captured. And Leonardo's ego problem is nothing new, that's one of the most significant things he has in common with Raphael. Heck, Michaelangelo has been known to be show off, and Donatello has gloated about his intellect before too "I am so good". All the turtles have shown to have egotistical at least every now and then.

NOOOOOO!!!!!! I read that. :cry:

I loved how Leo snaps at "Oh come on, what were you thinking".

[Tortuga Joe]

I think that Leo maybe says, "I'm better than you" to Raph because he feels like, as the older brother and leader of the group, that he needs to prove himself to Raph --thus (in his mind) proving himself to the rest of the family as, I guess, the better brother-- and in this case, it's come to the point of a physical fight. To me it seems a sort of thing that irks Leo, because Raph, as supportive as he is towards Leo and the rest of the family, is the one that usually rags on Leo for being the "self-proclaimed" leader, who always has to do the right thing (i.e. when Leo says that "Why do you hate me for that" line. And maybe that's something that gets to Raph as well, the fact that Leo always has to do the right thing and Raph is often seen as the high-tempered, heat of the moment brother. It appears as if Leo has finally had, to sound cliche, the last straw and is sort of at his breaking point --especially because Raph is probably on him about leaving the family for a year-- and he sort of doesn't know what else to do, except pick a fight.

[gobo]

I heard that too, and it confuses me. Leo tries to stop Raph ("You don't want to do this") once Raph whips his sais out. I like Leo, but I didn't like what he did there. It was manipulative; he victimises himself in this scene, and makes himself seem like the good moral one by telling Raph that he doesn't want to fight. He antagonised Raph in what I saw as a quite calm, calculated challenge--"I'm better than you"--and then he acts like he doesn't want to fight. He's basically starting a physical fight and then putting the blame on Raph.
Excellent theory, miss. But, keep in mind, it might just be poor acting. ^_^ Guess we'll see in a few more days. :thyper:

[Rooish]

Excellent theory, miss. But, keep in mind, it might just be poor acting. ^_^ Guess we'll see in a few more days. :thyper:

Heh, maybe so. I don't think your sentence was much of a spoiler, though. ;)

Also, very good point, johnnyblaze.

[Warhorse]

Haven't seen the movie yet, was drawing only from the clips which have been released, but thanks for spoiling me.:| (I only highlighted the first five words... and I thought, okay stopping there. Then I reply, and stupid me, there are all the words you wrote spoiling the scene.:( ) Anyway, my point:

When I used that expression, I meant verbally, not physically. I tried to prove that there needs to be more incentive for physical rather than verbal resolution. I'm sure the fight is awesome. I'm not convinced of the transition into that fight. I believe all the tension until Leo says those lines and Raph doesn't throw them back at him with a quick retort that winks its eye at the naked foppishness, the immaturity of "I'm better than you are!! Nah nah! *sticks out tongue*. He could say one easy line that truly takes advantage of Leo's mistake at being vague and then proceed to stab his eye out with a sai, or whatever he does in the next scene.

I'll let it go. It really doesn't make sense to me. Then again, I haven't seen the movie and you have. So I'll let it go.

I don't know about you, but that scene is typical of Raph. He is known for his quick temper, and it doesn't take much for him to blow. Plus, lets say there has been tensions between these two for years, and throughout this movie, it has been building. So, you know what happens to a volcano when it keeps building and building and building.

[cowabunga14]

I thought the clip was pretty cool. It gives us an insight of what to expect for that particular scene. I'm fond of what they're doing for Leo and Raph personality-wise.

[sango]

YAY FER CLIPS!!!

*watches Mikey sewer surf 3486298756437807268064258064375 tiems*

[Buslady]

:lol: holey freaking crap that is awesome...hurry up friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love that laugh...hehe

[Raphman]

The clip is awesome. I was afraid the movie was going to be geared more towards kids than anything else, but that clip showed me a little bit of the edge I was looking for. Im happy now!8)

[TheShowstoppa]

That clip was the best one I've seen so far. I'm acutally really looking forward to this fight more than anything else in the movie. I don't care what anyone says, Leo was justified in what he said. However, the "I'm Better than you" comment was a little overboard.

[Buslady]

Nah I like Raph's line of expecting them to perfectly fall in line as soon as Leo suddenly appears out of nowhere...I wouldn't, and damn right Raph shouldn't have to be all wonderful either. Raph's split off, created his own purpose in life and enjoys it...leave him to do it! Leo's "i'm better than you" line...LEMME AT 'IM!!!! :evilgrin:

[Rooish]

... I'd say that Leo and Raph are both equally flawed. I can't wait for the bashing that is going to happen because of this fight ... :roll:

[johnnyblaze]

yeah I think thats the point: neither are eactly wrong and neither are exactly right.

[FearlessLeader]

I think it mostly comes down to who's personality you are closer to as to which one you will agree with, because everyone is correct they both do have very valid point. Which honestly makes the argument all the more interesting.

[Willis]

True Reira.

Leonardo's problem is his ego. Coming back he quickly jumps into this "I'm the Leader!!!" attitude and wants everyone (Raphael the only one who does not) to accept it.

While Raphael's problem is he is a lone wolf. He believes in being alone and making his own decisions. Yet he believed he could be a leader too. The problem there is when you only worry about yourself, you cannot worry about others. And that is the job of a leader.

I wish in that video clip they had the earlier part of Leonardo vs NightWatcher, as that adds even more to this.

To me Raph's arguments about being toy soldiers and the world revolving around Leo - I agree with that a lot. Sure Leonardo was training but he didn't learn much. (until after that fight) His ego as being the "big brother" and the "leader" gets the better of him. Just like Raph's temper gets the better of him.

However, the "I'm Better than you" comment was a little overboard.

I disagree, I'd say the line "I'm better than you" is the perfect nudge for this fight. And it's nothing more then his ego at its peak. For like they say, what goes up, must come down.

[Time Mistress]

True Reira.

Leonardo's problem is his ego. Coming back he quickly jumps into this "I'm the Leader!!!" attitude and wants everyone (Raphael the only one who does not) to accept it.

While Raphael's problem is he is a lone wolf. He believes in being alone and making his own decisions. Yet he believed he could be a leader too. The problem there is when you only worry about yourself, you cannot worry about others. And that is the job of a leader.

I wish in that video clip they had the earlier part of Leonardo vs NightWatcher, as that adds even more to this.

To me Raph's arguments about being toy soldiers and the world revolving around Leo - I agree with that a lot. Sure Leonardo was training but he didn't learn much. (until after that fight) His ego as being the "big brother" and the "leader" gets the better of him. Just like Raph's temper gets the better of him.



I disagree, I'd say the line "I'm better than you" is the perfect nudge for this fight. And it's nothing more then his ego at its peak. For like they say, what goes up, must come down.

I'd have to agree with this. And the comment was so a heat of the moment catalyst. I was in the theater goin' "Oooooh that's low. Now you've done it, Leo." Leo's ego. Raph's temper. It's not a pretty combo.:D