Things that could have made FF better

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Here is an idea, you had the power to do so, what would you have done to make FF better? The basic concept has it remain the same (the Turtles get sent to the year 2105) but you can change anything else, what would you do?

[DrSpengler]

Maybe loosely adapt Mike's Mirage Vol. 4 storyline with the Triceratons and Styracodons. I think there's a lot of potential for the Triceratons in FF but so far all we've seen are cameos. I mean, they go from feared alien conquerers to...delivery boys.

Obviously, the whole "simplified character designs" thing would be an instant no-no. I still think Dong Woo's animation for FF is alright, but the angular redesigns can be a bit unsightly.

NEW THEME SONG.

Make the Dark Turtles a bigger threat. I mean, so far I've only seen "Bad Blood" (all I've seen of FF I watched on that season 1 DVD) and they were a real let down. I'd have given them a much greater skill and power boost so even with their weapons and in a fiar fight they're more than a match for the TMNT, leaving the TMNT to have to work really hard to beat their more powerful adversaries. As it stands, they're no more dangerous than throw-away villains like Triple Threat.

NO "It's Ninja Time!" Ever. Never ever ever ever ever.

Personally, I don't think FF is the anti-christ some have made it out to be, but it definately is a downgrade in quality and could have been much better if they'd just be a little more daring.

[Spacefille]

I have yet to see any of Fast Forward, but I'm guessing from what I've heard, Fast Forward is like the "Goliath Chronicles" of Gargoyles. (... which killed Gargoyles completely, but that's besides the point.)

Am I somewhat correct in that statement someone who has seen both?

[Casual Matt]

Two things:


Shout something other than "It's Ninja Time" or nothing at all. I'm not saying to never say it, or to always say something, but having the same battle cry every time gets tiring.
More episodes set at night. I know the turtles are pretty much free to walk around in the daylight, but they're still ninjas, and I'd like to see more of their ninja stealth.

[Nano]

Two things:



More episodes set at night. I know the turtles are pretty much free to walk around in the daylight, but they're still ninjas, and I'd like to see more of their ninja stealth.


I agree. I was watching "Cousin Sid" the other day and that episode is great the way the Purple Dragons never see the turtles.

[X]

Past two episodes of FF haven't blurted the word, its ninja time, at all. Oh and todays episode was at night. :)

-X-

[Buslady]

Easy:

No Cody, Serling
Keep their NORMAL weapons
Altho they are okay to walk out in broad day light, i think they'd feel a bit exposed. They ain't used to it, hide them in coats like before in the olden days.
Original Art, animation style
Keep the maturity they all gained in the first 4 seasons
Raph does NOT yell Mikey-isms like ninja time
better baddies that dont look do dorky. whats with tiny heads and gigantic bodies????They could have done alot better with FF, they just went the cheap route with what they made. It's just crap.

[VaughnMichael]

I've just got one thing to say about what could have made FF better.
The Future Shark Trilogy.
EDIT:Ok I'm a liar 2 things!
I'd have liked it more if the future turtles (whom we've yet to even see) brought the guys to the future instead of Codey I think fans would have enjoyed that more.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

oh that would be cool...course it would be really hard not to find out things about their lives... but yeah I would have liked to see that angle.
If I never heard Ninja time again I'd be a happy fan...
The art and Animation is my other big gripe probably, man I miss the awesome dark shadows and the whole darker mood in general

[CJStyles]

Things that would make FF better would be if it would have been thrown in a trash bin and never put on television!

[Time Mistress]

Easy:

No Cody, Serling
Keep their NORMAL weapons
Altho they are okay to walk out in broad day light, i think they'd feel a bit exposed. They ain't used to it, hide them in coats like before in the olden days.
Original Art, animation style
Keep the maturity they all gained in the first 4 seasons
Raph does NOT yell Mikey-isms like ninja time
better baddies that dont look do dorky. whats with tiny heads and gigantic bodies????They could have done alot better with FF, they just went the cheap route with what they made. It's just crap.

Yup, that about sums up the list.

Actually Cody can be okay when they keep him in a supporting role (like April) and quit trying to make him the fifth Turtle.

And NO CONSTABLE BIGGLES!:x Can't believe no one's mentioned him yet.

The show needs better villains. I really don't like any of them so far. Darius and Viral are okay, and Tripple Threat is mildly amusing. But Jammerhead, the Inuwashi Gungin, and Shokonabo really bore me. :sleep:

I still don't trust Bishop. He's up to something and we need to know what since he's the only good villain FF has.

[Stephen]

Technically, Cody should look a lot older than he is. Since they say that kids are maturing a lot earlier and this is 100 yrs in the future .....

[Ava Collier]

Shout something other than "It's Ninja Time" or nothing at all. I'm not saying to never say it, or to always say something, but having the same battle cry every time gets tiring.


The ninja time thing kinda bugs me too. They could always bring back "Fight with honor." but that will always be a Leonardo line.

The only character that really, really bugs me is Starlie...or however we spell that. It's not her personality exactly, I think it's the name that bothers me. It's like admitting lack of originality.

I don't particularly dislike FF, but I can understand why people do. It was such a drastic, and abrupt change. It's also a step down from what they had. I don't think it was a bad idea, even if it is a very cliche idea, but the timing for it was all wrong.

Still, I think the characters are acting somewhat true to the concept. Someone mentioned maturity levels, but take into consideration that these four teenage boys have never had this kind of freedom. Considering that, I think maybe they adapted too well, and behave themselves a little too much. FF seems a bit toned down, and Care Bear to me. I can't help but wonder if it's the same violence issue they ran into with the first movie. 2k3 (what I've managed to see of it) could be a bit much to handle for really young viewers, and I strongly suspect that to be the reason for the abrupt change. I think the best way to improve not just the series, but the whole damn planet, would be to have it somehow teach parents to be parents, and make them realize they are responsible for their kids. The television is not.

[Cassidy]

I was watching "Cousin Sid" the other day and that episode is great the way the Purple Dragons never see the turtles.
Yes, that was wonderful. They need to do more of that. Actually, they needed to do more of that in the previous seasons, too. Ah well.

So here's to more stealth.

[gobo]

Things that could make >> better? Hmm... Sterilization might work. :evilgrin:

[Spitfire]

The fans not being so bitchy.

[VaughnMichael]

The fans not being so bitchy.
ahahahahahahah omg I saw so just going to come in here and post the same things I kid you not man! hahahah:lol:

[teletran]

Fast forward seems like a last ditch attempt to cash in on the original cartoon's audience.

[ZariusTwo]

ahahahahahahah omg I saw so just going to come in here and post the same things I kid you not man! hahahah:lol:


There gonna remind you of TMNT'S past
Before Fast Forward screwed up it's ass
They'd rather have Ch'rell The Utrom
Hurl a katana sword at Leo
They'd rather see some reencactments
of old age stuff like Savanti Romero
There the angriest crowds you've ever heard
There the biased new series Nerds
There the biased original, MIRAGE Nerds
There the biased TMNT Nerds

:lol:


Fast Forward? More like FAST FORWARD THROUGH THIS MOTHERF*CKING PEICE OF DOG S*IT, I'D RATHER PLOUGH A TECHNODROME THROUGH CODY JONE'S YEST INFECTED BACKNIE THAN WATCH THIS SHOW.

[Revan]

you are an artist. I must say I love your remake.:lol:

[Chris]

My take on FF would probably have been darker than the 2k3 show, taking it's inspiration from SAINW.

The TMNT, Splinter, April and Casey (no need for Cody, Serling, etc) are all pulled into the future by the Utrom Shredder. He rules this time as the TMNT were not there to stop him from conquering Earth once his allies freed him from his exile (his future self told him how to set it up).

The TMNT escape and join up with what limited underground resistance there is, the idea is they have to defeat Shredder and free the future and then get home in time to prevent this future from ever happening.

Sure it's the Shredder again but it's a plot that makes sense and they wouldn't have to fight him much, more his generals (which could be new characters like Sh'Okanabo, Viral, etc or completely re-imagined old characters with designs based on Bebop, Rocksteady, etc).

I wouldn't have the Dark Turtles as they are, I'd have one - with Leo's skill, Raph's power/aggression, Don's intelligence and Mike's natural athletic ability. Heck just for old times he could be called Slash but the name isn't really that important, but this would be a very serious threat to the TMNT, much more than the Dark Turtles have been so far.

That said I am enjoying FF as it currently is, and it does seem to be getting better (can't wait for today's episode!).

[LiuKangChick]

Three words: BRING BACK SHREDDER!!!! Fast Forward's just boring without him.

[CyberCubed]

Three words: BRING BACK SHREDDER!!!! Fast Forward's just boring without him.

Shredder was already in a FF ep, and we don't need him as the main villain every single season.

[ZariusTwo]

Three words: BRING BACK SHREDDER!!!! Fast Forward's just boring without him.

TMNT was boring without...OOOohh wait, it was'nt.

[Revan]

My take on FF would probably have been darker than the 2k3 show, taking it's inspiration from SAINW.

The TMNT, Splinter, April and Casey (no need for Cody, Serling, etc) are all pulled into the future by the Utrom Shredder. He rules this time as the TMNT were not there to stop him from conquering Earth once his allies freed him from his exile (his future self told him how to set it up).

The TMNT escape and join up with what limited underground resistance there is, the idea is they have to defeat Shredder and free the future and then get home in time to prevent this future from ever happening.

Sure it's the Shredder again but it's a plot that makes sense and they wouldn't have to fight him much, more his generals (which could be new characters like Sh'Okanabo, Viral, etc or completely re-imagined old characters with designs based on Bebop, Rocksteady, etc).

I wouldn't have the Dark Turtles as they are, I'd have one - with Leo's skill, Raph's power/aggression, Don's intelligence and Mike's natural athletic ability. Heck just for old times he could be called Slash but the name isn't really that important, but this would be a very serious threat to the TMNT, much more than the Dark Turtles have been so far.

That said I am enjoying FF as it currently is, and it does seem to be getting better (can't wait for today's episode!).

Great, and after all this. They return to the present and... battle shredder... again...

I'm actually ok with shredder being banished. He will always be the greatest tmnt villian but it's enough already.

[Chris]

I actually wasn't thinking battle him all over again in the present, I was thinking they'd destoy him in the future then return to their own time and kill him again one last time to prevent that future.

I do agree Shredder has been used a lot, but I thought there was a lot of potential in the type of future shown by SAINW that could be exploited for a FF type show. So long as he's handled as he was in Season 1 (limited fights and a more serious threat with Shredder actually winning battles) I think it could be done well.

Of course the same type of thing could be done with someone new as well.

[Warhorse]

You know I was realizing last Saturday. Fast Forward has no regular female presence in it like all the other TMNT incarnations had.

Save for the occasional appearance of April, via flashbacks. But that really doesn't count.

Kind of sexist, isn't it.

[CyberCubed]

You know I was realizing last Saturday. Fast Forward has no regular female presence in it like all the other TMNT incarnations had.

Save for the occasional appearance of April, via flashbacks. But that really doesn't count.

Kind of sexist, isn't it.

That's why they created Starlee.

We just don't see her that much.

[ninjitsu_magic_47]

You know I was realizing last Saturday. Fast Forward has no regular female presence in it like all the other TMNT incarnations had.

Save for the occasional appearance of April, via flashbacks. But that really doesn't count.

Kind of sexist, isn't it.

I agree, I noticed that too. Maybe they should have someone like Mona Lisa or something appear...

[CyberCubed]

I agree, I noticed that too. Maybe they should have someone like Mona Lisa or something appear...

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/5806/bscap0003dq7.jpg

And Starlee doesn't count?

I realize she hasn't been in many episodes, but they did probably create her to have a female character in FF.

[Revan]

Starlee does not get much screen time and she is not really even necessary for FF. She just seems to be there as Cody's love interest perhaps to keep up the on screen romance like with April and Casey. hmmm Starlee thinks as Cody as her boyfriend. *cough* golddigger *cough*

[Warhorse]

I dont watch FF much. Starlee does not look familiar. Is she even a significant presence like April and Karai were? Is she as strong as a character as April and Karai are?

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

Nope. Not even close.

[Revan]

She is just kina, there. Her presence is un necessary to the plot.

[Jo Dawn]

I agree, I noticed that too. Maybe they should have someone like Mona Lisa or something appear...

Or, like... Venus. :P




*dodges thrown objects*

[The Shelf]

*throws thrown objects* :x

[ninjitsu_magic_47]

Mona Lisa was way cooler then Venus. Such a weak story around the Turtle Girl:sleep:

[Revan]

Mona Lisa was way cooler then Venus. Such a weak story around the Turtle Girl:sleep:

At least Venus's backstory makes sense. There were entirely too many mutants in the OT. Lisa's mutation was rediculous

[DrSpengler]

At least Venus's backstory makes sense. There were entirely too many mutants in the OT. Lisa's mutation was rediculous

I like both Venus and Mona, but I agree, Venus' backstory is far better than Mona's.

I mean, Mona gets mutated into a salamander by nuclear submarine waste, but never at any point is a salamander shown to be present in the sub with her. Making you kind of wonder why it turned her into one.

Venus' history may have been weak, but it was more coherent than Mona's.

[ninjitsu_magic_47]

Well I guess, but I never really like Venus. But I do agree with the Mona Lisa story.

[Rooish]

Shredder is the most one-dimensionaly and ridiculously evil bad guy ever. I hate him.

[SassyGal]

As if you hate Shredder!! :o Though, I must say after hundreds of eps & movies with Shredder as the only main villain, it's time he retired and let someone new(with no nouveau Shredder suits or any ties whatsoever to the Foot) take over tormenting the turtles. Shredder is finished and it's time for us to see new villains, but not the lame ones in FF. Granted, I haven't watched as much FF eps & maybe all the villains aren't that lame?

Biggest improvement to FF: Badass villains, fight scenes with their classic weapons & no more Raph saying Mikey lines:lol:

[Warhorse]

I know what can make FF better. Bring back the original artists. The concept of FF is not bad. Flight of the Navigator and Back to the Future II comes to mind.

But the kiddiness, and that everything happens to too coincidental, is a bit of a stretch. The old toon was corny and stuff, but not this corny!

[CyberCubed]

The old toon was corny and stuff, but not this corny!

Nah, after finishing the Season 4 boxset, the old toon was far more corny than FF ever was.

It didn't matter back then because the old toon was meant to be a comedy series, but it was certainly more cheesy, and had tons of ridiculous concepts for episodes here and there. They broke the 4th wall tons of times, a lot of the action scenes had the Turtles throwing marbles so the badguys slip on them, there was some dues ex wins, and Shredder was a bumbling idiot in Season 4.

The TMNT still have fight scenes in FF, which is more than you can say about the fights in the old toon, especially in Season 4.

[SassyGal]

Nah, after finishing the Season 4 boxset, the old toon was far more corny than FF ever was.

It didn't matter back then because the old toon was meant to be a comedy series, but it was certainly more cheesy, and had tons of ridiculous concepts for episodes here and there. They broke the 4th wall tons of times, a lot of the action scenes had the Turtles throwing marbles so the badguys slip on them, there was some dues ex wins, and Shredder was a bumbling idiot in Season 4.

The TMNT still have fight scenes in FF, which is more than you can say about the fights in the old toon, especially in Season 4.

For sure the old toon was corny, but hey! It was the 80's :P The decade of censoring children's programing so heavily, that in some countries ninja was changed to "hero" because ninja sounds too violent :roll: and Skeletor from He-Man wasn't allowed to have his face shown in France because he was thought to be too scary :o Skeletor?? Scary??? Oookay;)

[ZariusTwo]

The original cartoon is fun, and much more fun than FF tried to be in it's early more comedic standalone format. People like to use "corny" as a way of vaulting on a high horse and parading how "sophisticated" their naive elitism is, when all it does is expose them as being incapable of broader views.

[Spitfire]

I know what can make FF better. Bring back the original artists.

All the same people work on FF. Why is it you people stick to a style? You can't enjoy FF because of the art direction?

Seriously watch the DVD and try and get used to it and you'll enjoy it. I watched a few good FF episodes and went back and watched the earlier ones and it wasn't so bad.

[jenna]

In my opinion the motivation behind Fast Forward can be summarised as follows:

No one ever went broke underestimating human intelligence!

I think FF is insulting to the loyal TMNT audience, who are mostly over the age of 8. It's undone all the credibility earned by 2k3 and appears to be just an effort on behalf of the makers to pander to some executive's definition of what will rake in the big bucks - "kids don't like dark, gritty narratives, they like futuristic comedy that makes well established characters look silly. And kids are where the money is!" - imagined quote of some git who has the power to control these things.

Seriously though, I've got no trouble with comedy in TMNT - I love the 1987 series and the humorous 2k3 series. And I know that TMNT has always leaned towards the fantasy element (aliens, triceratons, trans dimensional portals etc) but there is a limit to how much ridiculous notions that can credibly be crammed into one series.

In my opinion the best way to make it better is to cancel the show and pretend it never happend, and send it to the world of TMNT mishaps with the Next Mutation and Film 3.

[SassyGal]

The original cartoon is fun, and much more fun than FF tried to be in it's early more comedic standalone format. People like to use "corny" as a way of vaulting on a high horse and parading how "sophisticated" their naive elitism is, when all it does is expose them as being incapable of broader views.

Oh, I totally agree with you. The original cartoon is fun and hilarious, whereas I find FF just really lame. It tries to be lighter and fun, like the original, but it just falls flat on it's face. In my opinion, what makes the OT fun is it's comedic format. I still like watching the OT and I still laugh at the jokes. Maybe corny was a little harsh?? OT TMNT is what I grew up on and will always be my fav incarnation, followed by 2k3 and the movies. FF I just cannot get into.

I'm sorry, but you know a show's in trouble when they send the main characters into the future (didn't anyone see the New Adventures of He-man in 1989? No? There's a reason...they sent it to the future or some weird plant thus making it totally lame:D )

I agree with jenna. FF is really insulting to the loyal TMNT audience. Just return them to the present and banish FF to the world of TMNT mishaps, to join the Next Mutation and the third movie:evilgrin:

[Warhorse]

All the same people work on FF. Why is it you people stick to a style? You can't enjoy FF because of the art direction?

Seriously watch the DVD and try and get used to it and you'll enjoy it. I watched a few good FF episodes and went back and watched the earlier ones and it wasn't so bad.

I can enjoy different art direction if it was for the better, but FF is not.

Besides, I though Peter Laird took the 2k3 artists with him to make the Lost episodes, while Fox4kids used different artists to do FF.

Also, watching a movie or dvd over and over will not make me like it any more. After watching 2k3, I know the Turtles could be portrayed better than what I see in FF. They are just not as fun and exciting to watch anymore as they were in 2k3.

[VaughnMichael]

All the same people work on FF. Why is it you people stick to a style? You can't enjoy FF because of the art direction?

Seriously watch the DVD and try and get used to it and you'll enjoy it. I watched a few good FF episodes and went back and watched the earlier ones and it wasn't so bad.
I'm actully shocked you like or even enjoy the art in FF cause it pretty much reminds me of the way Jim Lawson draws and I know how much you hate his art.