scratch?

[xZAOx]

who was this character? and why is his action figure so valueable?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3109589494&category=16474

i mean...GOOD LORD!!!

[Karpo_007]

Never seen him in the show. If he was I don't remember it.

[Wingnut]

He was one of those 'one time mutants',the reason his fig is so valuble,well its because so few were produced and even fewer were shipped(hes a borderline chase fig)

[Cherubae]

Scratch was never on the show but the action figure is one of the rarest in the Turtle's line. The 2nd rarest, from what I understand it as, is Hot Spot, a dalmation dog fireman. Then after that you'll find Warrior Winged Don and Leo, the Shogun series (Shoate, Shredder, etc), and the Forgotten Sewer series.

I picked up an out-of-package Hot Spot at the local Goodwill for 50 cents ;)


- Cher

[xZAOx]

someone should tell those people, rare or not, that they are also the lamest action figures in the line ;-)

[TMNTGal]

The only appearance of Scratch I can think of was in the GameBoy game TMNT 3: Radical Rescue.

I gave my loose Scratch a ball and chain accessory that came with Killer Bee. It suit's the figure well. I also bought a little black cage thing to use as a Jail Cell. :) Scratch's buddy is a Jail Bird, heheheh...

Despite what most ppl will tell you Hot Spot isn't a rare figure. It shouldn't be condidered rare in my opinion. I see that figure carded all the time.

[That Matt Guy]

People are paying insane prices for plastic toys. :o Look at this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3108727490&category=16474

[Kali]

:o At least that one had a decent starting price.

[Snailman]

Scratch was never on the show but the action figure is one of the rarest in the Turtle's line. The 2nd rarest, from what I understand it as, is Hot Spot, a dalmation dog fireman. Then after that you'll find Warrior Winged Don and Leo, the Shogun series (Shoate, Shredder, etc), and the Forgotten Sewer series.

I picked up an out-of-package Hot Spot at the local Goodwill for 50 cents ;)


- Cher

Actually, Shogun Shoate is rarer then Hot Spot, & I've heard that Shogun Triceraton is even rarer then those two. I always thought Scratch was thee hardest figure to locate, but apparently these other figures are much harder to find.

As for the Warriors of the Forgotten Sewers figures, they aren't really that rare. The series that had Metalhead Mike, Winged Warrior Don & Leo, Furry Razhar, THOSE are hard to find. I see Dwarf Don's up for acution on eBay more frequently then a MOC Metalhead Mike for example.

I just want to get that Gatekeeper Rocksteady figure, because it's another one of the rocksteady figures they made that you could pass off as being another mutant Rhino. Look at this picture of him (the grey rhinoman next to the guy in the red outfit):

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/2817/wotfs.jpg

Now, compare that figure, to the original Rocksteady:

http://www.ninjaturtles.com/toys/1988/rocksteady.jpg

That gatekeeper Rocksteady could easily pass for another mutant rhino. Completely differen body design for strarters, like Gatekeeper Rocksteady's horns are more pointed then the normal Rocksteady. Also, he has large rhino-like feet instead of small feet that could fit inside combat boots. I mean how could Rocksteady, if he had big feet like that other figure did, fit them inside those tiny little boots? :-?

I really want to find that guy, then he can be another bad guy for my Foot people as they really got shafted when it came to unique troops. I mean, twords the end we get Scratch & Shogun Shoate and then Playmates goes & makes 'em rare as anything. If I could just get Shoate I'd be a happy camper (I pretty much know I'll never get Scratch unless they re-release him, *hint* *hint* Playmates).

Oh, getting back to the topic at hand...:D
Scratch & Shogun Triceraton are the most expensive figures around, with Shogun Shoate coming in 2nd, followed by Hot Spot at 3rd. I see Hot Spot MOC all the time same with Shoate but they always get too rich for my blood on eBay.

Oh, here's an intresting thingy. Here's a picture of Shogun Shoate:

http://www.ninjaturtles.com/toys/1994/shoshoate.jpg

...and here's a picture from the cover of TMNT #47 with the character "Chote":

http://www.ninjaturtles.com/comics/mirage/volume01/47/47cover.jpg

Wonder why they changed the character's name around? Hey, since he was in the original comic book, do yo uguys think there's a chance they'll make a newer figure of him somewhere down the line? I hope so, that'd be awesome!

-Snailman

[xZAOx]

i never noticed that similarity! if it wasnt such a damn expensive figure, i wouldnt mind having him. i enjoyed that comic. hehe, i bought the elite guard figure just b/c he was in the original comics =)

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

I myself have never seen Shoate,Hot Spot,Sandstorm,OR Stractch,and I had about 85% of Playmates Turtles line. :tcry:

[raphael90]

I agree it is TERRIBLY ridiculous to spend that much money on an action figure. I mean how much do you think it cost Playmates to churn one out?
Surely much less than the average Turtle went for in the store...I remember they were like $4 apeice MOC when I collected them.

I remember when my sis collected Ty Beanie babies...man, you had to go to special little stores and malls to find those (at least where I lived). I remeber there was this one of the first figures, an elephant, who had the wrong colors on his design. It was worth $5000 because it was rare and discontinued...that always got a laugh out of me. :lol:

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

yeah,overpricing can get pretty ridiculous at times! :lol:

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

{Sorry- I should've put this in my last post}
Playmates probably changed Chote's name to have it sound more like "Shogun Chote"{Sho-ate}. I'm not sure,though-just a guess! He is a cool character,though.

[Snailman]

I myself have never seen Shoate,Hot Spot,Sandstorm,OR Stractch,and I had about 85% of Playmates Turtles line. :tcry:

Same here. The LAST TMNT figures I got was Halfcourt the mutant basketball Giraffe & Hothead on a different card then when he was originally released. He came out with the rest of the new character 5th Adniversary figures (Doctor El, King Lionheart, Merdude,Scale Tail, Antrax & Monty Moose). I guess I got a later edition of him since he's on a newer card.

Getting back, I saw Sandstorm on the back of the card, as well as Hot Spot, but never actually saw them in the stores. Only recently did I finally snag Sandstorm MOC on eBay for like 15 bucks, which wasn't a bad deal. If I can get Hot Spot for a decent price ($20 bucks MOC or so) on eBay I'd be happy. Shoate & Scratch I only saw through eBay, & since I don't have the backings for my Halfcourt figure I can't be sure if Scratch was listed or not.

I agree it is TERRIBLY ridiculous to spend that much money on an action figure. I mean how much do you think it cost Playmates to churn one out?
Surely much less than the average Turtle went for in the store...I remember they were like $4 apeice MOC when I collected them.

::nods:; Yep, $3.99 was the average going price for a TMNT figure back in the day. Deluxe ones might've went for more then that, like $5.99 or something. KB toys, who was always more expensive then TRU back then, charged $5.99 a pop for 'em.

{Sorry- I should've put this in my last post}
Playmates probably changed Chote's name to have it sound more like "Shogun Chote"{Sho-ate}. I'm not sure,though-just a guess! He is a cool character,though.

Maybe, it sounds like a plausable explanation. The character seems very cool, & is one of the older figures that I want the most. Namely just because it's one of the few bad guys that came out at the end of the line & is easier to get then Scratch (not to mention cheaper).

What is he anyways? A mutant dinosaur or something? I saw Savanti Romero with him in those 2 issues of the comic book, & since Savanti was trapped in the dinosaur time period, maybe Chote's a mutated dinosaur? :-?
He does look a little bit like a T-Rex....

-Snailman

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

Not sure. He is "T-Rex" like. :-?

[Eye of Sarnath]

I thought Scratch was in one episode, though I'm not to sure, I'll have to check that out. :-?

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

According to his card-backing from www.ninjaturtles.com[/url],Shoate is a reptillain lizard. Hope this helps! :tgrin:

[Wingnut]

In order of rarity
1.Shogun Triceraton (try to find it MOC and NOT pay over 100$ for it,i dare ya)
2.Scratch
3.Shogun Shoate
4.Hot Spot

[xZAOx]

shogun triceraton and shogun shoate would be nice figs to have. but im not paying more than like $10 for it. and i'd still feel bad paying that for it. so my chances of getting them range from ZERO on one end, to NONE on the other.

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

Yeah,me too{unfortunately}. Shoate would make a fine addition to my TMNT collection! :tgrin:

[Snailman]

Not sure. He is "T-Rex" like. :-?

::nods:: That he is. The tech-specs on him that I read off ninjaturtles.com really didn't give him much of an origin. Come to think of it, all of the later-released mutant animal figures didn't get much of an origin tech spec wise. They basically just rambled on for a paragraph or two talking about their "wacky weapons" & such.

According to his card-backing from www.ninjaturtles.com[/url],Shoate is a reptillain lizard. Hope this helps! :tgrin:

Checked it out, didn't help alot, but thats the fault of Playmates, not you. :D
I wish someone had a loose version of the figure with all it's weapons so we could see what it looks like. All I know is, that as soon as I get Shoate one day in the future, he's bein' taken right out of his package & played with just like my other TMNT guys! :evilgrin:

Oh, & Shoate would make a fine addition to anybodies TMNT collection since he's one of the 2 other bad guy characters made towards the end of the normal figure line.

Hell, at this point I'd be happy to get Hot Spot- at least I'd have some body to team up with Hose'em Down Don. :D

In order of rarity
1.Shogun Triceraton (try to find it MOC and NOT pay over 100$ for it,i dare ya)
2.Scratch
3.Shogun Shoate
4.Hot Spot

I'd say that list is fairly accurate. Personally, I only want the last 3 figures, Shogun Triceraton I couldn't care less about- it's basically just a variant of the original character in my eyes & I already own Triceraton. Scratch, Shoate, & Hot Spot however are all new individual characters that I'd like to have fighting on the turtles & foot sides.

I just hope we get some cool, kick-ass mutant animals/aliens/robots in the new toyline- none of this 80 human figures & 2 mutant figure crap.

Playmates, if your reading this: Listen to Peter Laird's toy ideas; the man knows what he's talkin' about!

-Snailman

[Mondo_Gecko]

YES We need more mutant toys

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

Yeah,Laird has some pretty neat ideas! :)

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

and yeah-MORE MUTANTS Playmates! :tgrin:

[Mondo_Gecko]

Like the old series, we need more mutants

[Karpo_007]

Well Playmates did release many toys of characters that weren't in the show, so everything is possible.

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

true.

[Snailman]

Very true Karpo. Like 75% of the figures made in the toyline never had appearences on the cartoon show, & the toyline lasted like that for 5 years, so it's a good posibility that they will do so again.

Playmates should know from past experiences that mutant animals/robots/aliens & ninja toys sell well within this toyline.

OrokuSaki's#1Fan: Yeah, Laird does have alot of neat ideas. I particularly like the snailman guy he drew (if my name isn't obvious enough).

-Snailman

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

:lol: Yeah,I noticied that! The Bulldog Football player looks neat,too.{and let's not forget that unreleased Shredder playset! :) }

[Snailman]

:lol: Yeah,I noticied that! The Bulldog Football player looks neat,too.{and let's not forget that unreleased Shredder playset! :) }

Bulldog Football Player? :-? I know he drew a Cyborg Lynx Football player guy on the same page as the Snailman (whom I could see being more of an alien, then a mutant snail) guy.

Yeah, that shredder playset looked pretty cool, I would have liked to have seen how it moved & such. The Sewer Scraper looked promising as well, he really put alot of thought into these, it sucks Playmates gave him a thumbs down on 'em. :cry:

-Snailman

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

:goofygri: OOops! That IS a lynx! Sorry,I hadnt looked at it in a while. :tsad: Yeah,hopefully Playmates considers some of Laird's ideas this time around. :)

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

I wonder if Kevin Eastman has any figure ideas that didn't get produced?
:-?

[Karpo_007]

Well Eastman is no longer involved with the turtles, So he doesn't run a web page of his sketches like Laird does...

[Snailman]

:goofygri: OOops! That IS a lynx! Sorry,I hadnt looked at it in a while. :tsad: Yeah,hopefully Playmates considers some of Laird's ideas this time around. :)

::nods:: The drawing with the Lynx/Cyborg/Football Player is just a pencil sketch, so it really isn't that sharp like some of the inked drawings on the site. I'd be cool if he touched it up & posted it all inked. :D

I wonder if Kevin Eastman has any figure ideas that didn't get produced?

Karpo pretty much answered this one, but I'm not sure if Kevin even did any concept toy sketches. If he did, like Karpo said, he doesn't run a webpage like Laird does so most likely we'll never see them.

It is interesting to note, that TMNT was the only toyline to never make figures. Like, some toylines make prototypes & even show them at Toy Fair, only to never actually make them. As far as I know, every idea Playmates made into a prototype figure, got mass produced in the line. Like, there aren't any catalogs out there with 5 or 6 different mutant animal characters that weren't made due to high production costs or something.

Peter Laird made up lots of ideas for characters & vehicles in the new line, but I have no idea how many of his were actually used & made un-changed. The "unknown" creature figure he drew became Mutagen Man, & Fugitoid was made as a figure, but not at all like the drawing he did of it.

If there ARE, they there are one of the best kept secrets of Playmates original TMNT line.

-Snailman

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

Thanks for the help,guys! I have a question,though:How long has Eastman NOT been involved with the TMNT,and why isn't he anymore? :-?
If anyone knows,I'd appreciate your help! Thanks! :)

[Kali]

Thanks for the help,guys! I have a question,though:How long has Eastman NOT been involved with the TMNT,and why isn't he anymore? :-?
Kevin hasn't been involved for a couple years. He sold/Peter bought his share because Kevin was busy with several other non-TMNT projects like Heavy Metal magazine. Plus I think they live on opposite sides of the country now.

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

That sucks. :( Oh well. thanks again,Kali!

[Karpo_007]

Yeah it was the distance and the fact that Eastman is busy doing Heavy Metal. I also heard that Next Mutation and some other things caused some arguments...

[Supermik]

People are paying insane prices for plastic toys. :o Look at this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3108727490&category=16474

Ma sono scemi?! :o (They are crazy)

In Italy for a action figures 1988 series a collector man would pay like 200 Euro (like 200 $)... but 287 $ are too for that figure!

However i don't know who is the misterious figure. Did you try to see it in the official web site at the voice Toys?

[Mondo_Gecko]

You know i was thinking Scratch looks alot like the cat mutant who was part of The Uncanny Trio in Archie Comics. They were a cool group there was three of them. One was a crow, an owl and a cat. They didn't have any names i don't think. They should have came back.

[Snailman]

You know i was thinking Scratch looks alot like the cat mutant who was part of The Uncanny Trio in Archie Comics. They were a cool group there was three of them. One was a crow, an owl and a cat. They didn't have any names i don't think. They should have came back.

A Mutant Crow, owl & cat? AWESOME! :o

Do you have a picture of those characters from the Archie comic book? They would have made awesome toys- there was not enough flying mutants in the toyline, they needed a few more then the 3 they had. That, & a mutant Crow & Owl would have been SICK to see. :D

Maybe they based the figure off of him?It's not impossible, they used Chote from the original Mirage TMNT series to make the Shogun Shoate figure & he wasn't even the same character as the toy. Scratch does come with a sidekick figure called "Jail Bird", maybe thats sapposed to be that crow from the Uncanny Trio?

Damn you Playmates for makeing the last cool bad guys for TMNT so damn hard to find!!! :x :x

I know I can never get Scratch, but I'd at least like to get Shogun Shoate. And if not him, Gatekeeper Rocksteady, and thats only because I plan on using him as a different mutant Rhino called "Gatecrasher". It could work too, he hardly looks like the first Rocksteady figure, the feet are different, the build of the entire body is alot different too. That, & he has 4 fingers as apposed to the 5 fingers that Rocksteady did. So he could pass for a new character if no one knew he was a variant of Rocksteady. I mean, look at the pictures!:

Gatekeeper Rocksteady
http://www.ninjaturtles.com/toys/1994/wfsrock.jpg

Look at the hand on thef left side of the picture, you can see only 3 knuckles equalling only 3 fingers & a thumb. Also, notice the bottom of the package- you can see his non-human shaped foot. This Rocksteady looks more like a Rhino, who became human-like, then a human who became rhino-like, right?

Original 88' Rocksteady
http://www.ninjaturtles.com/toys/1988/rocksteady.jpg

Look at the hand on the left side of this picture- you can see 4 fingers! Four fingers, not 3. And check our his feet- no way in hell this Rocksteady could have feet like Gatkeeper Rocksteady & squeeze them into those boots.

They could SO pass for different characters, easily.

...and once again I've rambled off topic. D'oh! Sorry 'bout that guys. :goofygri:

-Snailman

[Mondo_Gecko]

Yeah they were so awesome. I wish i had a scanner that i could get all of them. I could only find a pic of the Owl on the cover. Here it is

http://www.thetechnodrome.com/comics/archie/tmnt_adventures_27.jpg

[Snailman]

Yeah they were so awesome. I wish i had a scanner that i could get all of them. I could only find a pic of the Owl on the cover. Here it is

http://www.thetechnodrome.com/comics/archie/tmnt_adventures_27.jpg

Cool! :o :D

I could see a little bit of the Crow on the bottom right corner of the cover. They look very cool.

Actually, they wouldn't be the first mutants never made into figures that were in Archie Comics. The Chameleon guy is another one of them.

-Snailman

[The_Realest]

I'd definitely want a Shogun Shoate/Chote for my turtle collection, but I'd only be willing to pay like 15-20 bucks for one. That's probably impossible unfortunately. I wouldn't mind not having a Hot Spot or Scratch figure. I could live without 'em.

[OrokuSaki's#1Fan]

Same here. One day hopefully! :D

[Donatello]

i just got scratch back

for some reason i decided to sell it a couple of years ago for $50 and i just recently bought it again for $45 with shipiing and the money order fee i actualy had no profit margin and lost money, but at least i have it now

[TalonMC]

Up until last year, I owned a scratch figure (still in package). Several years ago I won him in an auction for $90. Last year I sold him for more than twice that. I've actually seen him listed in price guides for over $300!!

I had no idea that those other figures were rare also. I still have Hot Spot, Half-Court, Shogun Shoate and most of the other figures that were made for the TMNT toyline (all out of their packages of course... I had to have some playtime :) ).

-MC

[Snailman]

Yeah, most of the later-released non-TMNT characters are veeery hard to find. I think Mona Lisa, Sandstorm & Halfcourt were marginally easy to find, , Hot Spot was quasi-hard to find, while Scratch & Shogun Shoate were pretty impossible to locate. So hard to locate they were, that I never even knew of their existence until 6 years ago- & I was was a hardcore TMNT figure collector too. Well, I did stop right after getting Halfcourt, so I never got the others (don't recall seeing them ever either).

Speaking of eBay purchases, I just got a Playmates 1996 Dealer Catalog that I won on eBay in the mail today! It shows the 10th Aniversary TMNT figures, Muta Force, Turtle in a Turtle (but action figures of the 4 turtles that open up into little playsets), The Savage Dragon figures, Coil Force, & some deluxe Mini Mutants playsets. They also talk about the TMNT 4 movie, but don't show any figures or stuff (most likely cause the movie never made it that far).

They also show Earthworm Jim figures, Includeing 8 figures that were never made! In case anyone would like to know, here's the 8 figures never produced for EWJ (I like the Hamstinator myself):

Professor Monkey-for-a-Head: "Mad Scientist & President of the Monkey Club for Men!"

Copterhead Jim: "The Head Spinning Daring Defender of the Earth!"

Queen Slug-For-A-Butt: "Here Name Says It All!"

Hamstinator: "The Fluffy Cute Cheek Crammin' Hero!"

Samurai Jim: "The Culturally Cool Defender of the Earth!"

And 3 figures weren't even shown in prototype form, they were just drawings. I guess these 3 will NEVER get re-made, at least the above 5 had a chance as they were prototypes, but these next 3 guys never made it past the conceptual art stage. Pitty, Evil EWJ looked kinda cool:

Evil Earthworm Jim: "Enemy of the Earth, the Cosmos and Everything Else!"

Extendo-Arm Jim: "The Extra Long Reaching Daring Defender of the Earth!"

Chuck & Fifi: "One Smells Like Garbage and One Eats Garbage!"

Man...Playmates really likes their puny character descriptions, huh? If these figures were in scale with TMNT, no one would probably even be able to tell the difference.

If anyone wants me to scan in pictures of some of this stuff, just lemme know & I'll see what I can do.

-Snailman

[Adam Riches]

Snailman: Playmates actually made several unproduced figures although to my knowledge they are turtles variants. Along with some vehicles one of which I actually own! The sidewalk surfer...(if you want to see what it looks like its on the tmnt toy section of the official site under 92 I think.

For all your shoate/scratch wishers...I have 2 loose shoates and 2 loose scratches and one of them is complete. The best part is I only paid (if you divide costs like $2 a figure) It took years to find them but if you look through LOTS of tmnt figure auctions its not that uncommon to find a rare one once in a while mixed in with really large lots of figures, you can always take extras and sell them off. In addition to that flea markets can be really good I got one shoate and 3 ecto glow ghostbusters for $2 each there.