Would you want Peter Laird to post here?

[CyberCubed]

We've had people like Kevin Munroe, Steve Murphy and several other TMNT artists/writers from the comics appearing on the forums over the past several months.

Would you enjoy a "dialouge" with Peter Laird, on all things considered Volume 4, TMNT: Fast Forward, a possible movie sequal, and everything inbetween?

[Revan]

umm... YEAH!

[Toonami Tom]

Yes! As Mikey would say, that would be beyond awesome!:D :)

[Cascadia]

That would be cool to chat with the creator of our fascination.

[ToTheNines]

Who wouldn't?

[VaughnMichael]

Who wouldn't?
I would like to have him post stuff but at the same time I wouldn't.
He get to offended easily and I'd hate myself or some one else to upset the fella.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

He get to offended easily and I'd hate myself or some one else to upset the fella.

Is he really that sensitive to criticism?

[VaughnMichael]

Is he really that sensitive to criticism?
Not all the time but I'd rather not have some one I respect to some points atleast come here and be flamed by mad fans including myself at times.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

I guess I can understand that. Murphy hasn't really come around ever since the novelization got dissed-- or have I just not been seeing him?

[Ratchet]

No one's been around here since the movie started getting into full swing. Now that the film is out, it'd be a positive madhouse at Mirage, given it is still just a small company (comparatively at least). I can understand why he wouldn't want to post here, or anywhere for that matter. People have said some pretty awful things about him here, and I'm pretty sure there'd be a massive about face of slanderers (I know, "if it's print - it's libel") acting as though they'd never said a word. Alternately, I wouldn't want the possibility of being bombarded with nasty comments by those who aren't happy with the way he's done things in the book. And can you imagine how tiresome answering "When is vol.4 going to continue?" would get? :roll:

[VaughnMichael]

I guess I can understand that. Murphy hasn't really come around ever since the novelization got dissed-- or have I just not been seeing him?
nope you're not just missing him he hasn't been around I miss talkin to Murph myself.

[GK Punk]

i wouldn't

I would like to have him post stuff but at the same time I wouldn't.
He get to offended easily and I'd hate myself or some one else to upset the fella.

and that's why.

[DrSpengler]

No.

The guy has a very, very thin skin and reacts to constructive criticism with all the tact and elegance of a middle schooler. If his reaction to even the most softly critical fans in the Vol. 4 letters pages is any indication, any sort of discussion with him would end up as follows:

Fan: "I am enjoying Vol. 4 for the most part, but I feel its going a bit slow."

Laird: "If you don't like it, don't read it."

Fan: "The new movie was fun, though I felt the fights were too short."

Laird: "If you don't like it, don't watch it."

Fan: "I really liked the new cartoon, though Fast Forward isn't so great."

Laird: "If you don't like it, don't watch it."


I don't think we'd get much out of him.

[Roseangelo]

I agree that it wouldn't be a good idea for him to post here (although at one point he was reading here).

I do wish he'd post something somewhere, though. Does it strike anyone else as odd that Kevin Eastman has had more to say about the new movie than Peter has, and Peter was deeply involved in the whole process of making the movie?

[DrSpengler]

I would definately like it if Laird posted regular updates on the Official Website or something to that effect. The best/only-good part of the Vol. 4 lettes page was reading the little tidbits of future events and updates Laird would drop here and there.

I think him communicating more with the fandom/public would be great. Him interacting with them? Not so much.

[Roseangelo]

Yeah, I liked when he was posting "Blast from the Past," too.

[Jester]

Indeed, it could be a mixed blessing having him post here. I'd love it, but I'd also hate to get on the bad side of one of the guys who created the guys.

How much does, say George Lucus interact with fans via the net?

[bullet]

although you gotta admit...if this communication turns out to be a major disaster, it would be extremely hilarious.

[Spitfire]

Not all the time but I'd rather not have some one I respect to some points atleast come here and be flamed by mad fans including myself at times.

I don't bite my tongue for nothing either. I'd love to chat with him though. I'm sure if I did talk to him I wouldn't call him a douche bag. Even if he pisses me off sometimes he's still a great artist and I respect that.

[CyberCubed]

What did Kevin Eastman say about the new movie? Link, perhaps?

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I bet he looks here, he is just an anonymous lurker...lol
I wouldn't know what say... just thank you for almost 23 years of obsession:D

[Roseangelo]

What did Kevin Eastman say about the new movie? Link, perhaps?

You can read his blog here (http://www.metaltv.com/page.cfm?id=516&refpage=516) and listen to an audio interview here (http://www.fangoriaradio.com/AudioClips/040407/Kevin%20Eastman.mp3).

[Cascadia]

I bet he looks here, he is just an anonymous lurker...lol
I wouldn't know what say... just thank you for almost 23 years of obsession:D

yep, almost 18 years

[DrSpengler]

I recall a while ago, everyone on the board used to call stand-alone episodes of the 2k3 cartoon "filler episodes". You know, episodes like "Nano" and "Garbageman" that didn't advance any of the story arcs but were just sorta there.

Well, after a while, Laird made a big deal about it in the Vol. 4 letters page, saying how much he detested people referring to stand-alone episodes as "filler", indicating he did read this board at some time or another.

Whether he still lurks here is anyone's guess, considering how we apparently pissed him off so badly.

[Cascadia]

we should not get too critical about the episodes....in case, he lurks around here.

[DrSpengler]

we should not get too critical about the episodes....in case, he lurks around here.

Forget that.

We're allowed to have opinions. If Laird can't handle critical opinions on a public forum then that's his problem. I'm not gonna pretend I like everything just in case he lurks here, reads it and cries himself to sleep.

[Spitfire]

Hahaha If he still lurks here he probably hates my ass then. But f*** him, if he wants to be a little baby about it like Uwe Boll and rip on his fans then he can piss off.

He's nothing without us and he knows it.

[ToTheNines]

Yea, he needs to realize that this is certainly the biggest collection of TMNT loyal on the internet. No one was really trashing the show by calling a few episodes fillers.

[Roseangelo]

Well, after a while, Laird made a big deal about it in the Vol. 4 letters page, saying how much he detested people referring to stand-alone episodes as "filler", indicating he did read this board at some time or another.

Yes, I remember that very clearly. That was one of the first things that clued me in that he was reading. There were a few other things, too.

[shuriken]

Forget that.

We're allowed to have opinions. If Laird can't handle critical opinions on a public forum then that's his problem. I'm not gonna pretend I like everything just in case he lurks here, reads it and cries himself to sleep.

Quiet...He's right behind me!!!!!:o
But seriously I would love to meet the guy and thank him for an awesome idea like TMNT. But if he's gonna take all our opinions and other fans' opinions the wrong way it seems kind of pointless to have him here. I respect the hell out of the guy it's just I don't think anyone should be that sensetive to criticism.
But then again maybe Laird used to listen to criticism by fans but then after a while became really jaded by it and it just began to get under his skin. I agree with DrSpengler that we are all entitled to our own opinions but none of us really know what goes through the guy's head so we can't really relate.

[CyberCubed]

He's nothing without us and he knows it.

^ Heh, Peter Laird ranted about statements like that in one of the letters section too.

I forgot which issue it was, but damn, I do miss reading his rants.

[ToTheNines]

^ Heh, Peter Laird ranted about statements like that in one of the letters section too.

I forgot which issue it was, but damn, I do miss reading his rants.

What'd he say, specifically?

[Aignatius]

He used to participate on the Comics Publishers forum on Compuserve about a decade ago, but he wasn't always very congenial. Sometimes one can get into an interesting conversation with him, but be prepared for his bluntness. As if those who have read his letters column didn't know that...

[Coola Yagami]

Hmm Probably not. sure, I'd love to talk to the guy and shake the hand of the man that created my all-time favorite characters (and I mean even bigger than Batman and Spiderman IMO, maybe even Son Goku), but the people here would probably lynch him and he'd get to upset he might cancel all TMNT projects. So for the sake of my favorite series... keep him away from the Technodrome...

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I would, but I'm afraid if all the PL bashers will quickly chase him away.

[Spitfire]

^ Heh, Peter Laird ranted about statements like that in one of the letters section too.

I forgot which issue it was, but damn, I do miss reading his rants.

What a baby, I'd like to see what he would be like without us fans. Seriously, he puts his comics out late all the time, we put up with it, he changes 2K3, we put up with it, he says stupid ****, we put up with it. We're pretty nice fans. We complain but not as bad as other properties.

I would, but I'm afraid if all the PL bashers will quickly chase him away.
PL bashers? So I'm supposed to give him head because he made TMNT? If he does something stupid I have the right to point it out. He doesn't have to listen to me. He could ignore me just as easily. Instead he gets all pissy.

[VaughnMichael]

I would, but I'm afraid if all the PL bashers will quickly chase him away.
Yeah Personally I think the people who kiss his @ss would just as quickly scare him away.
I'd I'd hardly consider people who dislike what he does but still respect him to be bashers.
Oh and Quite Frankly I'd rather have Kevin Eastman here since he actully likes to talk about the TURTLES and not some crap that has nothing to do with it.

[Warhorse]

Hmmm.

So, is Peter Laird like, say, J.K. Rowlings? In that they both created some great characters and storylines, but get all mad when the fans start to like a character that the author never intended to be liked?

I also know J.K Rowlings has gone as far as to get fan's fan fiction deleted from the internet, especially this one where a fan wrote a better version of the Half Blood Prince.

It would be interesting, but if Peter Laird can't digest fan's opinions and point of views on his creation, it might not be such a good idea. I love the TMNT, but honestly, everytime I hear another bizarre storyline out of the comics, I cringe and thank my lucky stars that I don't read them, much.

[Spitfire]

Peter Laird won't try and get anyone's fan fiction's deleted though, cause he steals some of his ideas from it I'm pretty sure.

[VaughnMichael]

Peter Laird won't try and get anyone's fan fiction's deleted though, cause he steals some of his ideas from it I'm pretty sure.
You know bringing that up is really funny actually...he bashes allot of things like the old toon for being to silly as well as the archie comics but if these things are so bad how come he's ripped off half of the ideas from both of these versions of tmnt and used them in the things he's done.:roll:

[Roseangelo]

I wouldn't compare Peter to JK Rowling at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with defending you're intellectual property. Fan fiction is one thing, but if someone wrote something of novel length and called it The Half-Blood Prince? Yeah, I'd go after that person, too. I think she has a very good attitude about the craziness that is the Harry Potter fan masses. And I really like that she does communicate to all of the fans through her website.

Peter Laird won't try and get anyone's fan fiction's deleted though, cause he steals some of his ideas from it I'm pretty sure.

This is actually one thing I've never thought. What leads you to believe this?

[CyberCubed]

Well I do find Volume 4 to be very well written, (its just slow-paced), but honestly the stuff he did in that isn't that different than the plotlines you'd see in the old toon.

Donatello being shrunk...how many times have the Turtles been shrunk in the old toon? It happened in two different episodes of course. (one in Season 2 and one in Season 4)

[VaughnMichael]

Well I do find Volume 4 to be very well written, (its just slow-paced), but honestly the stuff he did in that isn't that different than the plotlines you'd see in the old toon.

Donatello being shrunk...how many times have the Turtles been shrunk in the old toon? It happened in two different episodes of course. (one in Season 2 and one in Season 4)
One point of many just proven thank you.;)

[Jo Dawn]

I'd love to have him post here, but I'd be afraid of the things that might come out of other's mouths, heh... Some people may not be mature enough... And he'd get all disenchanted or something.

[VaughnMichael]

I'd love to have him post here, but I'd be afraid of the things that might come out of other's mouths, heh... Some people may not be mature enough... And he'd get all disenchanted or something.
Oh you mean like out of his own mouth. You know I really love how it's ok for everyone to bash on things he doesn't like but if someone likes something lord and master Peter doesn't like it's so wrong and your a stupid moron and your opinion isn't valid.
Peter Laird is one of my all time favorite comic book artists he's pretty much the reason I got into comics and art in the first place I just wish he'd start being one again and stop trying to be such a political figure.

[Warhorse]

I wouldn't compare Peter to JK Rowling at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with defending you're intellectual property. Fan fiction is one thing, but if someone wrote something of novel length and called it The Half-Blood Prince? Yeah, I'd go after that person, too. I think she has a very good attitude about the craziness that is the Harry Potter fan masses. And I really like that she does communicate to all of the fans through her website.



This is actually one thing I've never thought. What leads you to believe this?


The only reason why J.K Rowlings went after this fan fiction writer, is because the majority of the Harry Potter fans prefered the altered version of the story over J.K. Rowling's original, and that would be a blow to one's pride.

In the end, that same fan fictioner was approached by the same publishing company that produces the Harry Potter books, and proposed her a deal to start her own series. Right now, she's in the middle of writing that series. It was all over the internet and news a while back, shortly after the release of the Half Blood Prince.

But if Peter Laird is nothing like this, and welcomes ideas without being harsh about it, then what the hell, let him come and brave the waters of the Technodrome. I jsut hope he understands that the Turtles have a massive, widespread fan base, and the majority is not limited to their knowledge of the comics.

[Spitfire]

This is actually one thing I've never thought. What leads you to believe this?

I've read some fan fictions that people have sent me and later posted online*Some on the Drome I'm sure* and I've seen similar plots used in episodes that followed. They could always have had the same idea but when I know he was trolling around here around the time they were posted and a year later I see a certain Battle Nexus story in Volume 4 I get suspicious.

[Roseangelo]

But if Peter Laird is nothing like this, and welcomes ideas without being harsh about it...

Well, I wouldn't say that about him...

But I don't see anything wrong with an author going after someone who has rewritten their book. It has nothing to do with being welcoming of ideas. Someone re-edited Star Wars Episode I, which a lot of people were complementary of, and I'm pretty sure Lucasfilm went after all the distribution channels for that. At the same time they're very encouraging to the people who make Star Wars fan films and such.

[Ra]

I'd love to have him post here, but I'd be afraid of the things that might come out of other's mouths, heh... Some people may not be mature enough... And he'd get all disenchanted or something.
Agreed. No offense to anyone, but some things we say on here are pretty childish. Heck, even I'm a victim saying some things a brat would say. Besides, I think it would be a bit more rewarding to meet him in person than to talk to him via e-mail or forums ;)

[Spitfire]

Agreed. No offense to anyone, but some things we say on here are pretty childish. Heck, even I'm a victim saying some things a brat would say. Besides, I think it would be a bit more rewarding to meet him in person than to talk to him via e-mail or forums ;)

Well if you think that way then it should work out great for him. He would be talking to people that are on the same level as he is.

[bullet]

Well if you think that way then it should work out great for him. He would be talking to people that are on the same level as he is.

harsh. man you are relentless. the love-hate relationship you seem to hold with regards to his art vs. his personality is apparently dominated by your hatred for the latter.

[Spitfire]

I just don't get how it's okay for him to bash his fans but it's not okay for us to not see eye to eye with him on everything.

[bullet]

eh..i think it's perfectly fine to not see eye to eye with him on everything. people who agree with everything their idol does are lapdogs. anyway, i'm not fond of his personality either, i was only making a casual observation because you seem to be extremely at odds with him as a person.

[Ecto Jedi]

eh..i think it's perfectly fine to not see eye to eye with him on everything. people who agree with everything their idol does are lapdogs. anyway, i'm not fond of his personality either, i was only making a casual observation because you seem to be extremely at odds with him as a person.

I'm with bulletdance, Spitfire. Get over it.

[VaughnMichael]

eh..i think it's perfectly fine to not see eye to eye with him on everything. people who agree with everything their idol does are lapdogs. anyway, i'm not fond of his personality either, i was only making a casual observation because you seem to be extremely at odds with him as a person.
I may not be spitfire but He's not the only one at the moment who doesn't care for what he's doing or how he acts and I know for a fact the 2 of us aren't alone just by looking at this thread.

[Spitfire]

eh..i think it's perfectly fine to not see eye to eye with him on everything. people who agree with everything their idol does are lapdogs. anyway, i'm not fond of his personality either, i was only making a casual observation because you seem to be extremely at odds with him as a person.

No I agree with ya, I just took what you said a little to hostilely. That's all my bad sorry about that.

But I'm glad you see what I mean about people just agreeing with someone because of who they are.

[Jester]

Well I do find Volume 4 to be very well written, (its just slow-paced), but honestly the stuff he did in that isn't that different than the plotlines you'd see in the old toon.

Donatello being shrunk...how many times have the Turtles been shrunk in the old toon? It happened in two different episodes of course. (one in Season 2 and one in Season 4)
That was old hat before the OT. Besides, how they shrunk Don was a unique idea. And what's wrong with the Battle Nexus being used in Vol. 4 and the NT...if Peter and Loyd are close, and Loyd has no problems...

[VaughnMichael]

That was old hat before the OT. Besides, how they shrunk Don was a unique idea. And what's wrong with the Battle Nexus being used in Vol. 4 and the NT...if Peter and Loyd are close, and Loyd has no problems...
The point was he makes it look like the old toon and archie are less than what he's doing but it's really no better.

[Coola Yagami]

[QUOTE=Spitfire666xXxXx;497315]

PL bashers? So I'm supposed to give him head because he made TMNT? QUOTE]

THAT'S RIGHT!! AND GIVE HEAD YOU SHALL, FOR HE IS ONE OF THE FATHERS OF THE TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES!! ON YOUR KNEES SOLDIER!!!!

[VaughnMichael]

THAT'S RIGHT!! AND GIVE HEAD YOU SHALL, FOR HE IS ONE OF THE FATHERS OF THE TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES!! ON YOUR KNEES SOLDIER!!!!
well maybe if he was a bit better looking hahaha but I'm sure other members would glad do so I could think of a few choice names hahaha

[Spitfire]

THAT'S RIGHT!! AND GIVE HEAD YOU SHALL, FOR HE IS ONE OF THE FATHERS OF THE TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES!! ON YOUR KNEES SOLDIER!!!!

Everything you just said has throughly disturbed me.

[bullet]

well maybe if he was a bit better looking hahaha but I'm sure other members would glad do so I could think of a few choice names hahaha

a bit? have you seen how he looks?

...sorry, couldn't resist.

[VaughnMichael]

a bit? have you seen how he looks?

...sorry, couldn't resist.
ahahha I was kidding and yeah I'm not really into older balding fat star trek nerds :o myself but younger skinner star trek nerds sure yeah maybe haha:lol:
(and no I'm not insulting peter I'm only having a bit of fun it's a shame I have to post this crap so I don't offend anyone)

[Jester]

The point was he makes it look like the old toon and archie are less than what he's doing but it's really no better.
I guess I can see that. I love Archie and anyone who discounts it deserves to be kicked in the nuts.
*puts on orange afro wig.*

[Spitfire]

I guess I can see that. I love Archie and anyone who discounts it deserves to be kicked in the nuts.
*puts on orange afro wig.*

Better be ready to get Laird. I know Murphy said Laird "wasn't the biggest fan of it" I seem to remember reading somewhere he really didn't like it at all. But I;m not sure where so I could be wrong.

[Jester]

Maybe it out sold vol 2....:P

[VaughnMichael]

Maybe it out sold vol 2....:P
ahahha well I think he's just lopping it all together with the old toon.
I really don't get his anger towards it.
He did a crap load of the covers and a boat load of characters belong to him as well.
And honestly people get allot of what Myself and Spitfire say wrong.
Dude Peter and Kevin are like 2 of my biggest idiols but if you cant joke about them atleast to some extent then you're really taking life way to seriously.

[Jester]

I'd love to actually ask him, since Archie had a sweet all encompassing arc.

[Spitfire]

I'd love to actually ask him, since Archie had a sweet all encompassing arc.

Yeah seriously, Future Shark was so awesome. Why can't we get TPB's of those issues? I really wish, I could track them all down*I do own alot of them but their mangled* but it would be nice to have them in TPB.

[VaughnMichael]

Yeah seriously, Future Shark was so awesome. Why can't we get TPB's of those issues? I really wish, I could track them all down*I do own alot of them but their mangled* but it would be nice to have them in TPB.
I'm pretty sure Armaggon is Peters character which makes it even more odd.

[Roseangelo]

I'm pretty sure Armaggon is Peters character which makes it even more odd.

Yeah, it is Peter's character.

Future Shark is easily my favorite Archie story and near the top of my favorite all-time TMNT stories. How anyone can consider this series to have any connection to the original cartoon is beyond me.

[VaughnMichael]

Yeah, it is Peter's character.

Future Shark is easily my favorite Archie story and near the top of my favorite all-time TMNT stories. How anyone can consider this series to have any connection to the original cartoon is beyond me.
Awsome thanks for clearing it up! I knew it!
He would be so perfect for fastforward it was the perfect opertunity to finally get some animated archie and they blew it thats what I think stinks about FF.
And the only way they could would be by looking at the first mini series based on the toon but other than that Archie is it's own tmnt world.

[Spitfire]

Yeah, it is Peter's character.

Future Shark is easily my favorite Archie story and near the top of my favorite all-time TMNT stories. How anyone can consider this series to have any connection to the original cartoon is beyond me.

Well that would be because it had old toon characters in it. Except they took them and made them better.

Also it had like I think 4 issues of old toon stories. Which is why it was such a good TV show comic. It took the cartoon world and made it's own stories instead of just using episodes for stories.

But yeah it was so much more mature then the old toon I don't see it either sometimes.

[Jester]

It was like the OT, in the first 2 seasons. from 3 the show got a little cheeser and the comic got more involved. That's why I love archie, it took the TMNT i was introdused to and gave me stories I could enjoy as a 9, 10, even 12 year old.

[bloodbath666]

Yeah Personally I think the people who kiss his @ss would just as quickly scare him away.
I'd I'd hardly consider people who dislike what he does but still respect him to be bashers.
Oh and Quite Frankly I'd rather have Kevin Eastman here since he actully likes to talk about the TURTLES and not some crap that has nothing to do with it.

+1 on the Kevin Eastman thing. It would be interesting to get to chat with Peter though, but I don't think I'd want to criticize him, even in the slightest bit, based on the tmnt vol. 4 letters I've read. On the flip side of things, Kevin Eastman seems much more of a laid back kool guy from what I've seen and heard. Not only could I chat about tmnt with kevin, but I hear he was quite a heavy metal fan back in the day. In fact I remember in one of the old tmnt mirage series books, there was a wall drawn with graffiti on it that said Megadeth, Slayer ect....

Anywho, I still respect peter because he is co-creator of some of my favorite characters of all time, but sometimes it seems he goes out of his way to print the negative letters in the book just to rant and such. Who knows though, maybe the guy just has a weird sense of humor about all this, and maybe he's a really laid back kool guy. I mean obviously tone of voice can't really come across on paper, maybe he's just sarcastic. I wouldn't really want to judge the guy to much though based on remarks on negative letters he's recieved. After all I've never met him.

BTW- Anyone here ever meet Peter in real life?

[OldSchooler]

Half the **** said in this thread pretty much stands as a signpost as to why Pete and half the other staffers don't post here. They'd come, have a look, see this and think "no way am i jumping into that pit!"

[odupianist]

In reference to one of the earlier posts here...

Peter: I don't like what you all are posting on the drome.

Us: If you don't like it, don't read it :D

[VaughnMichael]

In reference to one of the earlier posts here...

Peter: I don't like what you all are posting on the drome.

Us: If you don't like it, don't read it :D
hahahahaha ZING!:lol:

[heretic888]

^ Heh, Peter Laird ranted about statements like that in one of the letters section too.

Indeed. I happened to agree with him as I read his position.

The problem is that there is this bizarre sense of entitlement on the part of Western consumerism, particularly those that self-identify themselves as "fandom". Many consumers subscribe to the fantasy that an artist has some long-term obligation, that he or she somehow owes them something beyond what they paid for at the time of a prior transaction.

In this context, that means that if Consumer A purchases Comic B that the author of said comic has an obligation to continue making products that the aforementioned consumer wants. This is, of course, nothing short of narcissistic self-importance, a product of the hyperindividualism we find in much of Western culture (i.e., the Me Generation). An artist or an author doesn't "owe" you anything beyond what you paid for and this is even more the case in television programming, in which you didn't pay for anything at all.

Laird is absolutely right here. He doesn't "owe" us anything, he has no obligation to us at all. He makes a product, we purchase said product as consumers. If you don't like what he's done or the direction he's gone, stop buying the product. Its that simple. Caveat emptor.

Good grief, this egocentric consumerism can be grating...

[BigApple3AM]

Half the **** said in this thread pretty much stands as a signpost as to why Pete and half the other staffers don't post here. They'd come, have a look, see this and think "no way am i jumping into that pit!"

Beat me to it.

I just know if he DID join, everyone would be like "MR. Laird oh golly gee I love your work! You're the bestest Sign my face!"

Poor guy got ripped on pretty harsh in this thread. I'd love to meet him, he's a genius, already have with Eastman, Laird doesn't seem to get around to the major comic conventions unfortunately.

[Spawn Guy]

Since I'm about to embark on a helping create a completly new version of his franchise that may contain an idea he is not so hot about at one point, and thus invoke his wrath alongside legeal action?

Only if I can use members as a sheild if the above happens.

[Jester]

Yes, but if Peter were to create a product that we as fans do not purchase, then he can't produce more...it's a cycle. Yes we have a self-inflated sence of worth, but so does Laird in a way. It goes both ways.

[AquaParade]

That would definitley be interesting, and I bet a lot of great questions would be asked and answered, I think I'd love that.

[wyze2099]

Since I'm about to embark on a helping create a completly new version of his franchise that may contain an idea he is not so hot about at one point, and thus invoke his wrath alongside legeal action?

Only if I can use members as a sheild if the above happens.

Well, Spawn, there are plenty of members to choose from...

Seriously, though, if you're referring to Ultimate Ninja Turtles, the plan is to make it clear that it is a not-for-profit fan-derived work that has no intensions of replacing any canon work. It just happens to utilize canon characters. If Peter wanted to call a halt to the project, he'd be well within his right to do so. All he'd have to do is ask. Though yeah, I hope a lawsuit wouldn't accompany the request....

Regarding whether or not Laird should post here, I suppose that's up to him. He'd be more than welcome to post here, but with the understanding that he has as much right to his opinions about the Turtles as anyone else here. Sure, he co-created the TMNT and he has media control over them, but what he doesn't (and shouldn't) have control over is the versions of the characters that exist in our heads, shaped by our individual worldviews and opinions. As long as he understands that, and understands that some of us happen to prefer incarnations of the TMNT that he personally dislikes and that doesn't make US wrong, then yeah, I'd love to see him on the board and ask him questions.

I'd read several issues of the vol. 4 comic, and eventually I got tired of the persona he was presenting on the letter columns, as if he had difficulty entertaining opinions he didn't share. I'm not going to suggest that he's really this way, just that it was the impression I got of him while reading it, for better or worse. Maybe his disdain for answering the same touchy subjects over and over again translate on the page more than the respect he has for his fans; who knows. I've never met him, and I bear the guy no ill will; it's just that I wasn't a fan of the chip he seemed to have on his shoulder in the lettercol, and after several issues of seeing "if you don't like it, don't read it," I asked myself why I was still reading. The comic is no longer on my pull list (though Tales of the TMNT still is), but I don't have anything personal against Peter himself.

I suppose if Peter does start posting on the board, I'll neither flame him nor kiss his booty. I'll just treat him the same way I treat anyone else on the board: agree and disagree with this points where appropriate, and debate those points in a respectful manner. I'd treat him as an equal, all the while attempting to make it clear how much of a positive impact his characters have had on my life.

[Spawn Guy]

Well, Spawn, there are plenty of members to choose from...
Good, becuase you're first.
Seriously, though, if you're referring to Ultimate Ninja Turtles, the plan is to make it clear that it is a not-for-profit fan-derived work that has no intensions of replacing any canon work. It just happens to utilize canon characters. If Peter wanted to call a halt to the project, he'd be well within his right to do so. All he'd have to do is ask. Though yeah, I hope a lawsuit wouldn't accompany the request....


Well, my mum's a lawyer so...

[ZariusTwo]

After all the s*it dumped on him in his letters pages, the bias against Lawson here etc, and god knows what else, I'd want Laird to basically tear into anyone who looks at him funny, but that would'nt be professional

I want him to post, but the fandom has made it difficult

[FearlessLeader]

I have to admit I am curious has any of you ripping into Peter actually met him?

I have and I found him to be a very polite, intelligent man, who was extremely nice to me. Did I kiss his ass?? Not to my knowledge, I mean I was polite and I treated him with respect but I try to do that with everyone until they give me a reason not to.

Not that I am certain it matters to a soul here but I don't agree with the general nature of this thread. Its petty and insulting for the most part. I have no issues with anyone here having problems with the way the comic is written, or drawn and wishing to express your view points about this, but this has degraded into name calling. Frankly its immature and honestly I could see sometimes why Peter laid into people who wrote to the comic. Just because someone is your fan doesn't mean you have to take being treated like dirt by them.

I respect Peter Laird. And until he personally does something to me to make me not to, I will continue to.

And honestly for everyone harping on him I think there are a few people here that could grow up and learn to handle there opinions and temper more maturely before they start demanding that other people do.

[bloodbath666]

I have to admit I am curious has any of you ripping into Peter actually met him?

I have and I found him to be a very polite, intelligent man, who was extremely nice to me. Did I kiss his ass?? Not to my knowledge, I mean I was polite and I treated him with respect but I try to do that with everyone until they give me a reason not to.

Not that I am certain it matters to a soul here but I don't agree with the general nature of this thread. Its petty and insulting for the most part. I have no issues with anyone here having problems with the way the comic is written, or drawn and wishing to express your view points about this, but this has degraded into name calling. Frankly its immature and honestly I could see sometimes why Peter laid into people who wrote to the comic. Just because someone is your fan doesn't mean you have to take being treated like dirt by them.

I respect Peter Laird. And until he personally does something to me to make me not to, I will continue to.

And honestly for everyone harping on him I think there are a few people here that could grow up and learn to handle there opinions and temper more maturely before they start demanding that other people do.

Kool, finally a chime in from somebody who has met the man. You have to admit though Peter doesn't come in such a positive light if you read some of the vol. 4 letters, however as I stated in my previous post I wouldn't really judge the guy to much based on some responses to letters. I'm really glad that peter is around though, I mean the turtles were kind of dying off at the end of the 90's. The image series comic book had been cancelled in '99, the next mutation show had been axed. I was worried that I wouldn't get to see my precious turtles in cartoon or comic book form for a long while. In 2001 though the comic book came back and I was ecstatic, and the new show in 2003 unbelievable. I didn't think I would be such a huge fan of that 2k3 series when it came out, but in captivated me fully, I actually like it more than the old toon.

Anywho, I guess what I'm getting at is, I'm glad Peter Laird is around, and I respect the man. I didn't state this clearly in my previous post, but I really would love to have Peter here to answer some questions.

[Ra]

Not that I am certain it matters to a soul here but I don't agree with the general nature of this thread. Its petty and insulting for the most part. I have no issues with anyone here having problems with the way the comic is written, or drawn and wishing to express your view points about this, but this has degraded into name calling. Frankly its immature and honestly I could see sometimes why Peter laid into people who wrote to the comic. Just because someone is your fan doesn't mean you have to take being treated like dirt by them.

I respect Peter Laird. And until he personally does something to me to make me not to, I will continue to.
You took the words right out of my mouth.

Also, some of the idiotic things people have been saying in this thread is a key reason why Laird probably isn't going to post here any time soon. The immature fights and name calling...it really doesn't help anything. He could be reading this right now and be shaking his head. Or laughing at some of the immature comments being thrown at him. The people who bash the guy aren't really helping matters either. It's pretty much the equivalent to walking up to someone you have seen around in the city and then shouting insults at them. Not only that, but it's hurtful for me, a Ninja Turtle fan, to read. Just stop it, okay?

[iris]

I don't think I would have the patience to talk to people about my art. Because it's my art, and if you have nitpicks, I really don't need to hear it. It's art. If it were interactive, like with a rock band, that's different. Peter Laird is not a rock band (maybe I should rename my band... :lol: ).

Basically what I'm saying is if I were him, I totally wouldn't post here.

My personality is a heck of a lot like the Laird's, so far as I can see. So maybe that's my bias.

[VaughnMichael]

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Also, some of the idiotic things people have been saying in this thread is a key reason why Laird probably isn't going to post here any time soon. The immature fights and name calling...it really doesn't help anything. He could be reading this right now and be shaking his head. Or laughing at some of the immature comments being thrown at him. The people who bash the guy aren't really helping matters either. It's pretty much the equivalent to walking up to someone you have seen around in the city and then shouting insults at them. Not only that, but it's hurtful for me, a Ninja Turtle fan, to read. Just stop it, okay?
No ones making fun of laird we're just having a bit of fun if people seriously can't stand such silly jokes then they really need a sence of humor.

[Shark_Blade]

I bet he won't post in here after reading this thread:(

[GK Punk]

After all the s*it dumped on him in his letters pages, the bias against Lawson here etc, and god knows what else, I'd want Laird to basically tear into anyone who looks at him funny, but that would'nt be professional

I want him to post, but the fandom has made it difficult

I actually agree with this. I'd be all for it I just know it would end really ugly.

[VaughnMichael]

I bet he won't post in here after reading this thread:(
I'm sure the man's had worse things said to him in his life.
I'm sure he could hardly care less what a couple of fans think.
You know what I mean? It's not like Peter goes to bed every night and crys his eyes out because some one on the technodrome poked a joke at him.:roll:

[Shark_Blade]

I hope so. But as what they said, words cut deeper than a sword.

[gobo]

I hope he doesn't ever post here. The 'Drome is not ready.
I have to admit I am curious has any of you ripping into Peter actually met him?

I have and I found him to be a very polite, intelligent man, who was extremely nice to me. Did I kiss his ass?? Not to my knowledge, I mean I was polite and I treated him with respect but I try to do that with everyone until they give me a reason not to.

Not that I am certain it matters to a soul here but I don't agree with the general nature of this thread. Its petty and insulting for the most part. I have no issues with anyone here having problems with the way the comic is written, or drawn and wishing to express your view points about this, but this has degraded into name calling. Frankly its immature and honestly I could see sometimes why Peter laid into people who wrote to the comic. Just because someone is your fan doesn't mean you have to take being treated like dirt by them.

I respect Peter Laird. And until he personally does something to me to make me not to, I will continue to.

And honestly for everyone harping on him I think there are a few people here that could grow up and learn to handle there opinions and temper more maturely before they start demanding that other people do.
O_O I'm compelled to give my thoughts here, but... "I wonder if she's seeing anyone" is the only one I can catch at the moment. :goofygri: :tlove:

[Ra]

No ones making fun of laird we're just having a bit of fun if people seriously can't stand such silly jokes then they really need a sence of humor.
That's not how I see it. Sorry, but maybe it's my easy-to-anger nature shining through. It just seems like there is some bashing happening here. I don't know anymore, honestly... *sighs and makes her leave*

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It would be great if he posted here, but i can understand why he doesn't make himself known. Because of his significance the questions would go on forever, and after the elation of him making his presence here dies down, it might bog down in arguments or squabbles, and people trying to dictate him what to do next for the franchise. He doesn't need that. He might be posting anomynously to feel like a normal person and get tips and hints from others and nothing else more he wants!

[gobo]

O_o Pete? Is that you?

[Sewer Bull]

Seriously... why are we even discussing this? Is the Drome staff going to officially invite Peter Laird to join the forums if members are willing enough to see him here? Oh come on. You're all beating a dead horse here, really.

He'd join this place many moons ago if he was interested in keeping in touch with the fans. Or maybe he's already joined and is a frequent member under some username that could not be easily associated with him... who knows?

He could be anyone here.

*shifty eyes*

[FearlessLeader]

No ones making fun of laird we're just having a bit of fun if people seriously can't stand such silly jokes then they really need a sence of humor.

This is the second thread where you told me I need to get a sense of humor. Sorry but I will never find degrading other people for my own amusment funny. And I am fairly certain were roles reversed and a group of people were ganging up on you and saying nasty things in "good fun" you wouldn't find it that funny either.

Do I think Peter sits at home and loses sleep at night over what fans say about him. No, never have. Still doesn't mean I find cruel name calling funny and if that makes me too serious and unamusing, so be it, please start labeling and name calling me next.

O_O I'm compelled to give my thoughts here, but... "I wonder if she's seeing anyone" is the only one I can catch at the moment. :goofygri: :tlove:

Are you talking about me?? :goofygri:

[VaughnMichael]

This is the second thread where you told me I need to get a sense of humor. Sorry but I will never find degrading other people for my own amusment funny. And I am fairly certain were roles reversed and a group of people were ganging up on you and saying nasty things in "good fun" you wouldn't find it that funny either.
Do I think Peter sits at home and loses sleep at night over what fans say about him. No, never have. Still doesn't mean I find cruel name calling funny and if that makes me too serious and unamusing, so be it, please start labeling and name calling me next.
I know for a fact I didn't come in this thread with intentions to bash Peter Laird some one who got me into art in the first damn place.
I make fun of myself, tv shows, music, my friends and just about everything I like a little toungue and cheek never hurt anyone especially since it's not the first nor it is going to be the last time it happens in the history of mankind.
Oh and trust me I've taken a jab to the gut from many a goon in my day on here and many other places including *gasp* real life!
And I wasn't directly talking to you and sorry if this is insulting to you also but I don't even remember replying to you in another thread.:o

[XERO]

I do wonder what he would think about me making Benvenuto.

Just an official opinion from the head man would either make me or break me.

Er... on second thought, he'd probably laugh his ass off. :ohwell:

[VaughnMichael]

I do wonder what he would think about me making Benvenuto.

Just an official opinion from the head man would either make me or break me.

Er... on second thought, he'd probably laugh his ass off. :ohwell:
Either that or mistake you as April when she got mutated into a turtle and had the whole white bandanna thing going on back in that issue of the Archie comics.
But you do bring up a good point I wonder what he'd think of all the "mock turtles" running around.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Or maybe he'll be like "Damn, why didn't I think of Benvenuto" aka maybe he would be jealous lol :D

Benvenuto rocks

For my own two cents, I think Laird should be proud that his creation captured people's hearts. So much that people have created their own characters (like Benvenuto), fanfics, etc. If not, then I'm sorry to say and I mean no offense but that would be pretty crappy of him (Laird). Again no offense.

[gobo]

Seriously... why are we even discussing this? Is the Drome staff going to officially invite Peter Laird to join the forums if members are willing enough to see him here? Oh come on. You're all beating a dead horse here, really.

He'd join this place many moons ago if he was interested in keeping in touch with the fans. Or maybe he's already joined and is a frequent member under some username that could not be easily associated with him... who knows?

He could be anyone here.

*shifty eyes*

Oh. So, you're Peter Laird. Pleasure to meet you. ^_^ Have a mango. :mango:

[Spawn Guy]

*Sniff sniff*

What's this? Free food?

Baldercrap! I'm Peter Laird!

[gobo]

Oh, okay. Have a man-- Wait a gosh darn minute... O_o Aren't you a little young to be Peter Laird?

[bullet]

no, he just started producing comics five years before he was conceived. is that so hard to understand?

[Jester]

Heck, maybe Robbie's on to something. Anyone thought to invite Peter here, granted the discusion stay civil. I mean, it's ok to disagree, it's all about how you present yourself.

[tinlunlau]

reading off some of the complaints in here, it turns out that Peter Laird is actually a bit like me. i'd show a link but i'm too lazy to do that at the moment. I'm in a huge argument with movie fans around the world concerning the use of American-English on my re-translation of old Hong Kong films.

but by all means, i'd welcome Peter Laird to interact with us. who are we to condemn him from coming anyway? he's got his artistic principles that he intends to stick to. we should respect that. i also wanted to personally thank him for creating one of the most catchiest franchises ever.

[Aignatius]

Peter talks like Donatello. He uses words like unmitigated and ubiquitous in everyday discussion. Will we be able to understand him?

Yes, I'm kidding. It's been a long day. :evilgrin:

[dejawolf]

i'm sure peter was picked, and/or frozen out all the way through grade school for being fat and ugly, and the only reason he didn't commit suicide waddling in self-pity is because he could draw.
so all those years feeling like a nobody, and finally he manages to grasp a bit of importance with TMNT, of course the guy is going to go mental when people bash the ONLY thing he knows how to do right.

[Jester]

Wow, what did Peter do to you, wolf?

[Revan]

i'm sure peter was picked, and/or frozen out all the way through grade school for being fat and ugly, and the only reason he didn't commit suicide waddling in self-pity is because he could draw.
so all those years feeling like a nobody, and finally he manages to grasp a bit of importance with TMNT, of course the guy is going to go mental when people bash the ONLY thing he knows how to do right.

ouch, that was so harsh it hurt my feelings

[Katie]

i'm sure peter was picked, and/or frozen out all the way through grade school for being fat and ugly, and the only reason he didn't commit suicide waddling in self-pity is because he could draw.
so all those years feeling like a nobody, and finally he manages to grasp a bit of importance with TMNT, of course the guy is going to go mental when people bash the ONLY thing he knows how to do right.



ugh.


The Turtles are like...his kids. for lack of a better analogy. I know myself, as a dabbling writer and artist, having people comment on the technical mistakes is hard sometimes. It's something I created...it's like a part of me. It's like holding a spotlight to my flaws and no one likes that. I dunno...maybe that's just my own sensitivity.

I can totally imagine that for him, coming to a site like this and having any criticism of the franchise would sorta be like someone saying sh** about his kids. It's REALLY hard to hear stuff about your 'baby'.

[Warhorse]

ugh.
I can totally imagine that for him, coming to a site like this and having any criticism of the franchise would sorta be like someone saying sh** about his kids. It's REALLY hard to hear stuff about your 'baby'.

I don't know about using this anology. But, say, what if your kid does have an issue, and you are too biased to see other people's perceptions and views on the situation, and do something about it before your kid goes to far and ends up in a Columbine situation?

I know this is ridiculous assumption, but sometimes, critical views, and praise from fans, can be used by a creator to his advantage by fleshing out his characters to areas and ideas he's never thought of before. It's actually a more healthier approach then "if you don't like what you read, don't read it!" scenario.

[Katie]

I don't know about using this anology. But, say, what if your kid does have an issue, and you are too biased to see other people's perceptions and views on the situation, and do something about it before your kid goes to far and ends up in a Columbine situation?

I know this is ridiculous assumption, but sometimes, critical views, and praise from fans, can be used by a creator to his advantage by fleshing out his characters to areas and ideas he's never thought of before. It's actually a more healthier approach then "if you don't like what you read, don't read it!" scenario.

That was kinda what I meant. we can see it rationally because we are somewhat interested third parties...but that is HIS creation. And like it or not, HE is the final authority on it. Much like a parent is on their child.

When you are a parent (sticking with my analogy) you often do see the flaws and do realize them, but would take offense if someone else brought it up. (kinda reminds me about my parents and my little brother's drug problems) They knew what was going on....but would fight to the death if someone said something about him. (personally I woulda thrown him in rehab...but I am but an interested 3rd party...not the decision maker)

I'll have to deal with him some day. Not a pleasure I am looking forward to.

[Warhorse]

That was kinda what I meant. we can see it rationally because we are somewhat interested third parties...but that is HIS creation. And like it or not, HE is the final authority on it. Much like a parent is on their child.

When you are a parent (sticking with my analogy) you often do see the flaws and do realize them, but would take offense if someone else brought it up. (kinda reminds me about my parents and my little brother's drug problems) They knew what was going on....but would fight to the death if someone said something about him. (personally I woulda thrown him in rehab...but I am but an interested 3rd party...not the decision maker)

I'll have to deal with him some day. Not a pleasure I am looking forward to.

Yeah. Sorry about your brother. You are in a tough spot, I won't dance around the bush there. But there is help out there when the time is right.

So you think sometimes Peter may be a bit blind by what could work for the Turtles because it's his creation, and he may feel offended when someone suggests an idea that could work?

Heh, well, I have my own perceptions of what the Turtles are. I have read some of the comics. They are ok, but I think the artwork in the animated version is better. Since I somewhat don't like the comics, I'll follow Peter's advice. Don't like it, don't read it.

Good thing the movies and for the most part, 2k3 toon, has more of my type of fan friendly atmosphere going for it.

[iris]

Maybe he's busy enough with the letters he gets.

Peter talks like Donatello. He uses words like unmitigated and ubiquitous in everyday discussion. Will we be able to understand him?

Pete's pedantic parlance precludes participation?! Pure postulation. :P

[bullet]

Pete's pedantic parlance precludes participation?! Pure postulation. :P

perhaps...pete's preferred phraseology purposefully parries principally preliterate persons' participation? :tpizza:

[Spawn Guy]

I think we've all arrived at a very special place, eh? Spiritually, ecumenically... grammatically.

[iris]

perhaps...pete's preferred phraseology purposefully parries principally preliterate persons' participation? :tpizza:

Perceptive proposition. :nod:



k... that's more than enough of that :lol:

[Warhorse]

My Goodness. You people have gone completely bonkers!:o

[ZariusTwo]

i'm sure peter was picked, and/or frozen out all the way through grade school for being fat and ugly, and the only reason he didn't commit suicide waddling in self-pity is because he could draw.
so all those years feeling like a nobody, and finally he manages to grasp a bit of importance with TMNT, of course the guy is going to go mental when people bash the ONLY thing he knows how to do right.

Looks like you got owned in a letters page

[Raven]

Theres a lot of cons and pros to way in but I would really love to see Pete post some of his views in the fan art area....I dont know why but that would just be kick ass.

[Spawn Guy]

Because you might con your way into a job.

[VaughnMichael]

Because you might con your way into a job.
I've always loved Con-Artists!:lol:

[Spawn Guy]

Ouch.




Not the joke, just the blow to my pride.

[Aignatius]

Pete's pedantic parlance precludes participation?! Pure postulation. :P

If Peter pwned a peck of pickled...

*hears own brain sizzling like an egg in a frying pan*

:dead:

[The Shelf]

If Peter pwned a peck of pickled...

*hears own brain sizzling like an egg in a frying pan*

:dead:

pwned? What's wrong with you?

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.
A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked.
If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,
Where's the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?

I've had that memorized since I was about 8, and I like to spout it off once in a while just to feel important. Go me! :D

[Hazel-rah]

OK, I know this is off topic, but I was afraid in the comics section of the forums as I know little about them. I see different comics refered to here, some that Peter in invovled with and some it seems he does not like.
How many versions of comics are currently out there?
I have seen mirage, image and archie mention.
Just a quick run down please. You guys seem to know.
Which version is Peter invovled with? ( That is a little closer to topic)
Thanks

[Ava Collier]

I wonder what he'd think of Ava...
We all know how long girl mutants last :o
Okay I'm scared now.

[Aignatius]

pwned? What's wrong with you?

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.
A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked.
If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,
Where's the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?

I've had that memorized since I was about 8, and I like to spout it off once in a while just to feel important. Go me! :D

:lol:

Mm, yeah, it's called picking a peck of pickled poem apart.

What's wrong with me? See the sizzled comment above. :dead: