Which character did you like less, Zach or Howie?

[CyberCubed]

What old toon character did you like the least?

Irma's friend Howie, who appears in two episodes in a row on Season 4, or Zack the "5th Turtle" who basically worshipped the Turtles existance,had a really ear-grating voice and got into all sorts of mischief?

Thoughts?

[VaughnMichael]

I hate Zach and all and lord was he annoying but Howie all though in only a few episodes he takes the cake for me...I mean really if they wanted woodie alan they should have just hired the guy lol:lol:

[Revan]

Definately Howie. Could not stand his lame lyrics! Zach was ok because I always wanted to be him but Howie peeved me then and he still does now.

[Roseangelo]

Howie. Is it bad that as soon as I read his name I started recalling the lyrics to one of his lame songs? :dead:

[VaughnMichael]

Howie. Is it bad that as soon as I read his name I started recalling the lyrics to one of his lame songs? :dead:
You wanna be a hero!!! like the teeenage mutant niiinja turtles!!:lol:

[gobo]

I hate Zach... a lot. That's all I have to say.

[Revan]

aw cmon gobo. Didnt you ever feel jealous of him as a boy

[VaughnMichael]

aw cmon gobo. Didnt you ever feel jealous of him as a boy
I think thats why most people hate Zach...or Codey for that reason or any kid friend of the turtles...but they always dissagree with me..but they go to sleep at night and hug there donatello pillows and say ur my hero don sme day we will meet some day! :lol:

[CyberCubed]

Howie. Is it bad that as soon as I read his name I started recalling the lyrics to one of his lame songs? :dead:

"Why can't I beeee a teenager with a shell!?"

My god, what were the writers thinking?

[Revan]

At least the turtles didn't dislike Zach the way they clearly disliked Howie. You could tell when he played his dumb song and the boys interupted him that they were disgusted.

[VaughnMichael]

At least the turtles didn't dislike Zach the way they clearly disliked Howie. You could tell when he played his dumb song and the boys interupted him that they were disgusted.
very true I think raph was gonna smash his keyboard hahah

[Kendamu]

Howie, definately. I actually had nothing against Zach since he only showed up once in awhile and didn't sing lame songs.

[Cascadia]

that is a toss up...but I would go with Howie...he was in 2 episodes but there were in a row unless my brain is tired right now.

[SassyGal]

if I have to pick just one it would be Howie. I didn't dislike Zach, but Howie OMG!!! those songs are horrible & the damn things get stuck in your head :lol:

[Scandia]

Was Zach really necessary? OK, so this is envy in part, since who here does not want to be the fifth Turtle?

Regarding Howie- at least he provided Irma some very much needed male company. And I did find his lyrics and antics hilarious.

Anyhow, I think the most heinous character of all is Burne Thompson.

[Katie]

"Why can't I beeee a teenager with a shell!?"

My god, what were the writers thinking?



Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww I remember that :( Now that's going to be stuck in my head all day :cry:

[Tora_Chan]

Howie, hands down. I didn't like Zach much either, put at least he had was important to the plot in the episodes he appeared in and he didn't sing annoying songs.

[MoreCowbell5263]

Zach bugged the crap outta me, but I actually fast-forwarded through like 6 or 7 of those songs after hearing thirty of them before, thus being the only time I've ever skipped parts in a Ninja Turtles cartoon, even though the show had it's embarassingly corny parts. I love the old cartoon, but some parts are just painful to watch sometimes, and I don't think I'll ever watch a Howie episode again.

[Coola Yagami]

he's the phantom of the floxy and he's got a lot of moxy
and people say he's still a-lurkin... (lurkin.. lurkin..)
in the studio where he used to be a-workin... (workin..workin...)

Howie was at least funny in a ridicuously bad way, and I liked how he played his songs while the turtles were fighting. Plus, Irma needed a piece, though I doubt Howie was smart enough to even do that... And it was just 2 episodes. Zack was like in 5 or 6??

As for Zach, was annoying as all hell. when I saw the title 'the fifth turtle' I was like 'HOLY CRAPOLA (as not to write words that would get me banned) FIFTH TURTLE??? OMG!! OMG!!' and it turned out to be some punk kid... and he came back in other episodes with a brother, a so-so girlfriend and who knows what else... And c'mon, Night of the Rogues... Shredder hires almost every bad-guy they ever faced together to stomp our heroes... I understand April and Splinter callin in Casey to help.. but zack..?? ZACK??? What the hell is he gonna do??? Hit Slash and Leatherhead with his backpack????

[sdp]

Zach wasn't that bad, the whole 'kid' sidekick could have been a lot worse. With that in mind I still dislike him. Howie I actually found entertaining so i'd have to choose him. his songs were pretty awful, I guess the episodes were more memorable.

[Sage Ninja]

Is it alright to say that kinda liked both of them? Now when I was a kid I really didn't like Zach to much. I thought he was dumb addition and anoying. If their is anything I can't stand more its some snotty kid stealing the hero's thunder. But when I rewatched his episodes recently I find that I'm not as insulted by his presence as I was when I was little. I think his character was handled well. I thought his brother was a prick though and his so-called girlfriend sucked.

Howie I thought was freakin hiliarious. I and I actually thought his songs where eally funny. I liked the "Teenager with a shell" song, if for no other reason than for the classic reactions and facial expressions of WTF-ness (is this a word?) that they had. I found my sself back tracking on my dvd to rewatch their reactions over and over again because it cracked me up so much :lol: And I also love the "fight Fight" song Howie sung during the little pitch battle the turtles had with Shredder and R+B. That had me giggling too!

[SassyGal]

okay, I changed my mind. I just rewatched the two Howie eps and his songs are freakin' hilarious! I especially love the Fight song...just seeing a fight going on with that lame song in the background makes me crack up :lol:

[gobo]

I thought Howie complimented the show's cheesey tone rather well. But, if he showed up as much as Zach (a huge insult to kid-kind that he was), this might be a closer race.

[jenna]

I hate them both. I skip the Howie episodes, but I like The Missing Map and Shredderville, so I have to endure the annoying little $*&&##** for what feels like eternity. But it's worth it cos the episodes are so cool.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

Yeah I'd have to go with Zach, it was cute for about 2 minutes then I was like eh...?

[OrangeMike]

Zak. Don't get me wrong, they were all goofy, but Zak takes the cake. I found him the most annoying with his ridiculous Elvis haircut.

[Scandia]

They did not age Zack. He was 13 years old when he met the Turtles, and still looked exactly the same a few years later. Granted, he could have an extremely late puberty. But if the seasons still had time flow like they do in the 2k3 toon, they could have aged him a little bit.

[Spawn Guy]

Soudns like a good thing I don't remember this Howie guy.

[Revan]

Soudns like a good thing I don't remember this Howie guy.

Omg I wish I could forget him too. He was annoying but what was worse was his "Heroes in a half shell" song. Ruined the opening theme for me.:ohwell:

[gobo]

I loved Howie's Heroes song... :( Never in a million years would I have imagined weasels in a cream-sauce otherwise. ^_^

[Revan]

I don't get why he wrote that lyric. The whole song was rambling incoherent crud.

[gobo]

Heroes in a half-shell are to weasels in a cream-sauce as Oysters on the half-shell are to... some other type of food involving cream-sauce. But, yeah. It was very random. I thought it was funny.

[gobo]

Surprise! (http://www.sendspace.com/file/y0ur8b) ^_^

[Revan]

Surprise! (http://www.sendspace.com/file/y0ur8b) ^_^

I don't get it. Why did you post that here?

[gobo]

Why? It's not entirely OT. :(

[Revan]

Yeah I got it now. An advertisement for an ipod popped up the first time I clicked the link and I didn't see the close icon. I'm dumb:ohwell:

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

As someone who watched the series as an adult (I was an arcade game repairman at the time) I didn't necessarily find Zach annoying (though I disliked his brother; which was the idea anyway), probably because the program took care not to use him too often. I probably would have felt differently if he had appeared too often though.

Howie, on the other hand, was supposed to be comic relief, but he was too stupid to be funny.:evil: