If they do make a new TMNT cartoon... [Archive]

Coola Yagami

06-22-2007, 06:54 PM

Rumors have it that soon they'll wrap up Fast Forward and make a new TMNT cartoon in 08 based on the movie.

If they do... where exactly will they go with this?? I mean, the movie is already kinda/sorta based on the Mirage comics roots. So I mean... what would they do with the new show? Have them fight the Triceratons.. again?? Have the Foot kick the livin crap out of Leo, and later have Leo behead the Shredder... again??? I mean... all I can see them doing is making them have the newer movie-ish designs for April, Casey and Karai and maybe have Raph run around as the Nightwatcher from time to time.

ToTheNines

06-22-2007, 07:26 PM

What rumors are you speaking of?

CyberCubed

06-22-2007, 07:32 PM

Oy, this really is getting out of hand.

While everything is speculation, they're probably not going to turn the cartoon "into" the movie. They're most likely going to keep the established 2k3 storylines and characters but have influence from the movie brought in, possibly changing the animation style to suit that, and maybe bringing in some movie plots like having Raph become the Nightwatcher.

But then again this is all guesswork, so let's keep waiting. Fast Forward was also considered a "new series" but maintained continuity with 2k3, another "new series" does not have to be a fresh start either.

Roseangelo

06-22-2007, 07:36 PM

Oy, this really is getting out of hand.

Yes.

No one knows anything right now. Just sit and wait. If you want to speculate, there's plenty floating around if you look for it.

Scandia

06-22-2007, 07:49 PM

As I stated in another thread, I think this may be the NT's equivalent of Red Sky.

Hopefully.

Revan

06-22-2007, 07:53 PM

As I stated in another thread, I think this may be the NT's equivalent of Red Sky.

Hopefully.

Ooooooooo. Interesting. Wouldn't that be great.

VaughnMichael

06-22-2007, 08:14 PM

Ooooooooo. Interesting. Wouldn't that be great.
It would be but I don't see how that could happen.
& to everyone else I don't know how many times I need to say it but just chill Murphy said he's gonna post allot of things soon so we just need to wait.

ZariusTwo

06-23-2007, 12:37 AM

As I stated in another thread, I think this may be the NT's equivalent of Red Sky.

Hopefully.

The fourth and fifth seasons were the equivalent of Red Sky.

Kendamu

06-23-2007, 12:59 AM

As I stated in another thread, I think this may be the NT's equivalent of Red Sky.

Hopefully.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has thought that.

ZariusTwo

06-23-2007, 04:42 AM

Seasons four and five were the darkest seasons.

Scandia

06-23-2007, 05:16 AM

Yes, they may have been dark. BUT they kept the same character designs. They did not introduce a new villain- Karai had shown up already. April has not changed jobs. I have not seen all that much of seasons 4 and 5, but there seem to be no major changes in them like there was with the Red Sky seasons in the OT.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

06-23-2007, 07:50 AM

If a new TMNT cartoon will be made, I think they should take the best from the many TMNT versions (1984 Mirage Comics, 1987 cartoon, 1988 Archie TMNT Adventures comics, 1990-1993 movies, 2003 cartoon and 2007 movie) a make a new TMNT version. But a questeon is: Should it be set in the 1980's, with a more classical TMNT feel, or today (in a more globalized world, with more technology).

ToTheNines

06-23-2007, 09:02 AM

Why would they throw in all former turtle-verses, that would be genereic? Also, there was plenty of technology in the 80's toon.

sdp

06-23-2007, 09:31 AM

Oy, this really is getting out of hand.

well this thread could have actually been interested instead of "not this again".

This thread could have been like the title said "IF they do make a new TMNT cartoon" and post things we would have like to see, not if its actually going to happen or not.

VaughnMichael

06-23-2007, 10:02 AM

Why would they throw in all former turtle-verses, that would be genereic? Also, there was plenty of technology in the 80's toon.
I don't think it would be generic I think it would be rather interesting is it's an anything goes type of place why restrict yourself to one world when the turtles have so many. Why not tak the best from all worlds instead of holding yourself to one.

Scandia

06-23-2007, 10:11 AM

That's what I do- take the best of all worlds.

In fact, there is nothing preventing April in the NT to get a new job as a reporter. Or preventing Keno from showing up in the NT. Or from having April and Casey adopt an abandoned baby and naming her Shadow- although I think Angel may be the NT's equivalent of Shadow.

Masked Ninja

06-23-2007, 11:29 AM

I don't know what else they can add with a new TMNT series, honestly. I'd say if anything continue 2k3, because a whole new show seems kinda pointless to me until they have a good reason to start again. Each version had something new to offer:

Mirage comics: Original appearance
'80s-90s cartoon: First TV appearance, kickstarted a lucrative franchise and introduced the concept to kids
Movies: Reconciling OT and comics on the big screen
Next Mutation: Live action on TV, plus a chance to play with a 5th female Turtle (which I'll admit had potential, even though I dislike the idea of female Turtles meeting the guys)
2k3 cartoon: Back on the air, with a chance to adapt comic stories and have a darker tone
Fast Forward: Shiny future weapons and backing away from being too dark (as much as I think this was unnecessary)
2k7: First official CG Turtles with the opportunity to take advantage of the filmmaking possibilities the medium offers, (some would say failed) attempt to bring even more comic-book tone to the Turtles
New TMNT cartoon: ???

Unless they were going to take the plunge and deliver a more mature 'toon that doesn't feel like it has to keep itself safe for kids, or have something drastic happen (like Splinter's death) that will change everything and spawn new stories... what else is there to do right now? A whole new series while there's still one currently going on and one that only finished a year ago... it's way too soon unless everything is gonna be fresh.

And that... is what I think about that. :trazz:

ZariusTwo

06-23-2007, 12:11 PM

jenna

06-23-2007, 12:34 PM

Unless they were going to take the plunge and deliver a more mature 'toon that doesn't feel like it has to keep itself safe for kids, or have something drastic happen (like Splinter's death) that will change everything and spawn new stories... what else is there to do right now? A whole new series while there's still one currently going on and one that only finished a year ago... it's way too soon unless everything is gonna be fresh.

And that... is what I think about that. :trazz:

You are wise as alwas, MN. :)

As some people don't seem to be keen on this thread repeating elements of the "good news / bad news" thread, why don't we keep his thread for speculation and things we would / would not like to see, and keep the "good news / bad news" thread for fact and any announcements from Murph, Mirage or as a result of the licensing show? Just a suggestion.

VaughnMichael

06-23-2007, 02:04 PM

Except Peter Laird
And yep that's the daddy he prevents so many things from happening he's like a real life creation condom.

jenna

06-23-2007, 03:32 PM

And yep that's the daddy he prevents so many things from happening he's like a real life creation condom.

:lol: Now there's an image!

Janus Prospero

06-23-2007, 03:51 PM

And yep that's the daddy he prevents so many things from happening he's like a real life creation condom.

LMFAO... "creation condom"

Scandia

06-23-2007, 04:20 PM

They're his Turtles. He can do with them whatever he wishes. And so far, I have been very pleased with what he has done.

VaughnMichael

06-23-2007, 07:37 PM

:lol: Now there's an image!
LMFAO... "creation condom"
Thank you thank you I'll be here all week don't forget to tip your mods.
They're his Turtles. He can do with them whatever he wishes. And so far, I have been very pleased with what he has done.
Yeah sure I don't care what he does with the turtles it's what he doesn't do with the vast catalog of characters he's created and owns that bothers me.

Duke

06-24-2007, 09:46 AM

Yeah sure I don't care what he does with the turtles it's what he doesn't do with the vast catalog of characters he's created and owns that bothers me.Personally, it's more what he won't allow anyone to do with the vast catalog of characters he's created and owns that bothers me.

Buslady

06-24-2007, 10:01 AM

one of the things they got to do with this new series, bring back those awesome visuals! The best example the Leo/Shredder fight, the rain and lighting, and all that...awesome visuals.
I would like to see more detailing, better coloring and more correct shell design where it just doesnt look like it's this dome thing stuck to their back but with bridges making it look APART of their body. If they base this one the new movie look, they should cos they have always had bridges in all of the movies.
Hopefully the humans don't look anime-ish. I loved our heros look, I didn't care for the people in the movie. Too stylised and anime-ish; but in a way that was good cos the guys looked totally normal

syk_skillz

06-24-2007, 01:42 PM

Any word if the new show will be on a new channel or not? I hate 4kids with a passion.

Revan

06-24-2007, 02:31 PM

Any word if the new show will be on a new channel or not? I hate 4kids with a passion.

Why? Because of what they have done with tmnt or something else?

CyberCubed

06-24-2007, 02:44 PM

Why would the show air somewhere else when 4kids is producing it? Does that make any sense to you?

TMNT is one of the few shows keeping 4kidsTV afloat, that's why 4kids is giving it another chance, (or is this the third chance?), rather than throwing in the towel.

VaughnMichael

06-24-2007, 02:53 PM

Roseangelo

06-24-2007, 03:05 PM

Personally, it's more what he won't allow anyone to do with the vast catalog of characters he's created and owns that bothers me.

Don't forget that he didn't even create a lot of the characters that he won't allow anyone to do anything with - Like, virtually all of the Archie secondary characters.

gobo

06-24-2007, 03:24 PM

I wonder if Laird would have any say whatsoever in a series involving all of those characters if it claimed no involvement with his characters. That'd be interesting... maybe.

Roseangelo

06-24-2007, 03:29 PM

I wonder if Laird would have any say whatsoever in a series involving all of those characters if it claimed no involvement with his characters. That'd be interesting... maybe.

I think that could possibly, legally happen without Laird's involvement. But I make this statement simply recalling the Ninjara story that appeared in Furrlough and with no actual legal knowledge.

VaughnMichael

06-24-2007, 03:44 PM

I wonder if Laird would have any say whatsoever in a series involving all of those characters if it claimed no involvement with his characters. That'd be interesting... maybe.
It would be interesting in fact more interesting than half the crap I see on tv or in toons these days I'd love a spin off show of other characters.
I still don't see why they can't try and do a mutanimals show now.

gobo

06-24-2007, 04:52 PM

I think that could possibly, legally happen without Laird's involvement. But I make this statement simply recalling the Ninjara story that appeared in Furrlough and with no actual legal knowledge.
O_O Tell me more.

Roseangelo

06-24-2007, 04:57 PM

O_O Tell me more.

Yeah, there were three parts of a Ninjara story printed in issues 47, 48 & 50 of Furrlough (pics here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/roseangelo/446889192/in/set-72157600037600576/) and here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/roseangelo/446889548/in/set-72157600037600576/)). However, the story was never completed due to Chris needing to find a real source of income. Alas...

Rooish

06-24-2007, 06:00 PM

I would love to see Ninjara again; she was eye candy. ;)

And what reason do you hate 4kids for? I know FF is sketchy, but 4kids gave us an amazing show for four years, and they're giving it yet another shot.

Roseangelo

06-24-2007, 06:05 PM

It's not so much with TMNT, but 4Kids pretty much destroys virtually every anime series they get their hands on.

Duke

06-24-2007, 06:09 PM

Don't forget that he didn't even create a lot of the characters that he won't allow anyone to do anything with - Like, virtually all of the Archie secondary characters.Trust me, I haven't forgot.

Revan

06-24-2007, 08:02 PM

It's not so much with TMNT, but 4Kids pretty much destroys virtually every anime series they get their hands on.

Like what? I mean besides tmnt. I thought they were doing ok. I see yu-gi-oh crap everywhere.

And what ever happened to ultimate muscle. :lol: I kind of liked that goofy show.

ZariusTwo

06-24-2007, 10:02 PM

Ultimate Muscle ended in Japan.

odupianist

06-25-2007, 06:44 AM

Maybe with them bringing back Sonic X they're realizing what good shows used to be on FoxBox compared to this crap they have now.

Spike Spiegel

06-25-2007, 12:17 PM

Maybe with them bringing back Sonic X they're realizing what good shows used to be on FoxBox compared to this crap they have now.

Maybe...sure took them long enough. Recently, I only watch 4kids for TMNT, and skip every other concievable part of it. Of course, I began doing this when "The Winx Club" began....is that show ever going to be cancelled *crosses fingers*??

CyberCubed

06-25-2007, 12:55 PM

Judging by the fact that Peter Laird rejected whatever 4kids proposed to him for the new series, I'm guessing he does want the show to simply revert back, or at least close to, the 2k3 format.

It really makes you wonder what he rejected, maybe it was a restart in continuity and he didn't want that? Or an all CGI show and he didn't want to do ahead with that either?

Either way, it seems to me that Laird is aware of the mistake he made by allowing them to go ahead with FF, and this time he's being extra cautious to not make the same mistake again. Here's hoping the show just gets renamed to "TMNT," keeps in continuity with Seasons 1-5 AND FF, and simply shows the Turtles returning to their normal time and just continuing from there. Its just the best way to do it and keep everyone happy.

Revan

06-25-2007, 12:58 PM

Was it's Laird's decision to go to FF or was that the last option?
I thought 2k3 was losing money and FF was a last shot at success. Then the new movie hit and all of a sudden there is a new interest in tmnt so now we may get another season after FF.

Kendamu

06-25-2007, 01:04 PM

Fast Forward was his decision. He's just realizing that it wasn't his best decision.

Revan

06-25-2007, 01:06 PM

Fast Forward was his decision. He's just realizing that it wasn't his best decision.
I c. I may have not been his best decision, but it would have been a tough decision to make for anyone. At least he realized what was done and worked to rectify it.

ToTheNines

06-25-2007, 02:06 PM

It wasn't that bad of a choice on his part, it was just done poorly (at least it's getting better).

VaughnMichael

06-25-2007, 03:14 PM

It wasn't that bad of a choice on his part, it was just done poorly (at least it's getting better).
Exactly.:)

ToTheNines

06-30-2007, 12:33 PM

I just hope stuff won't get all Volume 4 on us when we get back to the present:sick:

VaughnMichael

06-30-2007, 12:38 PM

I just hope stuff won't get all Volume 4 on us when we get back to the present:sick:
why would it if anything Fast Forward would have ended up like volume 4 if 4kids didnt have a say in anything. Because Vol. 4 takes place in the future.

Roseangelo

06-30-2007, 12:40 PM

why would it if anything Fast Forward would have ended up like volume 4 if 4kids didnt have a say in anything. Because Vol. 4 takes place in the future.

Actually, Vol. 4 takes place in the present. But it assumes the Turtles have aged in approximately real time since the very first comic, making them in their mid-30s.

VaughnMichael

06-30-2007, 12:46 PM

Actually, Vol. 4 takes place in the present. But it assumes the Turtles have aged in approximately real time since the very first comic, making them in their mid-30s.
reeeeaaaaallly well sh1t paint me wrong for once ahaha I could have sworn it was in the future mmmk then I dislike vol.4 even more now I was like shrugging things off because I thought it took place in the future and wacky weird things usually happen in future storys lol:lol:
Oh well a bit dissapointing to find that out.
I have to say though I like what fast forward was more so than vol.4

ToTheNines

06-30-2007, 12:58 PM

What I meant by that was I don't want them to start making cartoon version of Vol. 4 (Like how they did with Vol. 1 issues, which were all great). I just don't like Count Raphael, mini/robo Don, or Mikey being in alien jail.

CyberCubed

06-30-2007, 01:04 PM

Here's a thought:

Let's say the Turtles fix the time window and are about to head home, but Cody accidentally sends them back to their time but puts them 5 years past since they were gone. For example let's say a few years past since they were gone rather than being sent back to the exact moment they left.

That way when the TMNT return to New York, April/Casey's lives will have moved on without them for 5 years, and maybe that way they can introduce a baby Shadow into the series?

The cartoon would definitely alter Shadow's backstory because its too adult for the cartoon, so what if they made Shadow April/Casey's actual daughter in the show instead of adoptive daughter? We already know Cody exists so apparently this April is not a "drawing" like Mirage April and can reproduce.

I think the Turtles coming back in time and discovering that April/Casey have a daughter together would be a nice shocker, and a neat way to introduce Shadow into the current cartoon.

ToTheNines

06-30-2007, 01:07 PM

How is Shadows back-ground too adult? Alot can happen in 5 years, April and Casey could be separated when the turtles get back, and they can gradually get back together through-out the season.

Scandia

06-30-2007, 01:08 PM

They could do that. Or they could adopt Shadow in another way. I somehow thought Angel was the NT equivalent of Shadow.

They have a really good thing going on with the NT. They have adapted Mirage quite well. So they should just send them back to regular time and keep on producing the Mirage based episodes. The more I watch the OT, the more I think the NT is a good thing that really should not be ended prematurely. I can deal with FF. I do not think I could deal with the equivalent of TNM.

ToTheNines

06-30-2007, 01:10 PM

TNM was just poorly done, I don't understand how adults produced that show and expected to keep their jobs. If TNM was adapted to a cartoon series, it would be done right, hopefully.

Roseangelo

06-30-2007, 01:12 PM

then I dislike vol.4 even more now I was like shrugging things off because I thought it took place in the future and wacky weird things usually happen in future storys lol:lol:

Bingo. The fact that modern New York in Vol. 4 can absolutely not be modern New York of the real world is one of the top items in my checklist of issues with Vol. 4. And that is why I don't mind the TMNT walking around in daylight in FF but I do mind it in Vol. 4.

Scandia

06-30-2007, 01:13 PM

What I mean is that I do not want to see a fifth Mutant Ninja Turtle, male or female, that would join the family/team and fight along with them.

Nor do I want to see a completely total new direction or a bizarre plot pulled out of nowhere that is kept in the main continuity. A "Red Sky" equivalent would be passable as long as it stays faithful to Mirage. Another TNM would NOT be.

ToTheNines

06-30-2007, 01:16 PM

VaughnMichael

06-30-2007, 01:19 PM

Oh, ok. I just like to bust on TNM every chance I get.
Not everything about the next mutation was bad just like most tmnt worlds it had its good points while it was few and far between it did have some good points I have every episode and I just recently watched them all again.
Dr. Quease being the best part and the real last episode where shredder becomes himself again instead of a wacked out homeless man is great.

CyberCubed

06-30-2007, 01:26 PM

Next Mutation didn't really do anything for the TMNT franchise. There's a reason why Mirage pretends it never happened.

VaughnMichael

06-30-2007, 01:28 PM

Next Mutation didn't really do anything for the TMNT franchise. There's a reason why Mirage pretends it never happened.
Not everyone from mirage pretrends it didnt happen pretty much only peter laird and he pretends allot of things never happend.
And you are correct it did crap for tmnt but it's still part of the history even if its not that good. To deny one's past is foolish.

Roseangelo

06-30-2007, 01:34 PM

Not everyone from mirage pretrends it didnt happen pretty much only peter laird and he pretends allot of things never happend.
And you are correct it did crap for tmnt but it's still part of the history even if its not that good. To deny one's past is foolish.

Agreed. TNM may not be a high point in the history of the TMNT, but most fans did enjoy it when it was on TV and to completely deny that it ever happened... well, that's as lame as completely altering the comic book that made you rich in the first place.

gobo

06-30-2007, 05:39 PM

How is Shadows back-ground too adult?
The product of a rape? I can't imagine how that would be TMI for a Saturday morning cartoon.

VaughnMichael

06-30-2007, 05:42 PM

The product of a rape? I can't imagine how that would be TMI for a Saturday morning cartoon.
that wasnt shadow though that was gabes background I'm sure they could work around it.

Scandia

06-30-2007, 06:53 PM

Somewhere on Wikipedia it says that Shadow was the product of a one night stand between Gabrielle and a guy named Albert who was the son of a mafioso named Antoine.

One night stand is not a synonym for rape.

Does it state officially that Shadow was the result of non-consensual sex?

It can be worked around that Casey and April meet a woman named Gabrielle who is about to give birth or who has a newborn but who dies shortly afterwards. Casey and April decide to raise Shadow this way. Sad, but nowhere near as controversial.

Roseangelo

06-30-2007, 06:57 PM

Somewhere on Wikipedia it says that Shadow was the product of a one night stand between Gabrielle and a guy named Albert who was the son of a mafioso named Antoine.

... And that is why one should not be relying on Wikipedia for information. Especially TMNT information. Most should-be reliable real sources of journalism can't write an accurate article on the TMNT; fake journalism is only going to be worse.

It sounds like part of that comes from the Image books, but those are non-canon.

ToTheNines

06-30-2007, 08:41 PM

Not everything about the next mutation was bad just like most tmnt worlds it had its good points while it was few and far between it did have some good points I have every episode and I just recently watched them all again.
Dr. Quease being the best part and the real last episode where shredder becomes himself again instead of a wacked out homeless man is great.

Did it get better as it went on, becuase I just watched the first 5 episodes the other day and it was pretty terrible. The main thing that pissed me off was they didn't even move their mouths when they talked half the time... and then that gay dream of the old tortise (A new way, WE GOTTA FIND A NEW WAY LEOOOOOO.... then his stupid monolouge at the end THE WAY OF THE TURTLE didn't make sense at all).

VaughnMichael

06-30-2007, 08:46 PM

Did it get better as it went on, becuase I just watched the first 5 episodes the other day and it was pretty terrible. The main thing that pissed me off was they didn't even move their mouths when they talked half the time... and then that gay dream of the old tortise (A new way, WE GOTTA FIND A NEW WAY LEOOOOOO.... then his stupid monolouge at the end THE WAY OF THE TURTLE didn't make sense at all).
Like I said most of it was bad and really silly but some episode mostly the dr. quease ones had there good points I happen to like the episodes with Simon Bonesteal and Vam Mi the vampire as well. I happend to like that storyline very much.
I think the shows poor quality is what killed it I try to look past it to be honest even if its really hard to and those eye holes in the face ugh that just kills me and whomever is wicks puppetier is horrid they flop him around like a doll great characters they where just all exicuted so poorly.

Roseangelo

06-30-2007, 08:53 PM

I think the shows poor quality is what killed it

Actually, the show had very good ratings. What killed it was that it was too expensive to produce and because it was a licensed property, Fox didn't make enough money off of it.

Bonesteel is awesome, though.

VaughnMichael

06-30-2007, 08:56 PM

Actually, the show had very good ratings. What killed it was that it was too expensive to produce and because it was a licensed property, Fox didn't make enough money off of it.

Bonesteel is awesome, though.
That and the fact that I think that the higher ups didnt like the fact that tmnt was beating power rangers in the ratings.
Yes and my mother loves Bonesteal till this day she still does that kneck crack finger thing hahah cracks me up what a nuttball he is.
He and Qr. Quease or Dr. Feral from the rpgs are two characters I wouldnt mind seeing return in cartoon form.