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krzysztof

02-03-2003, 01:29 PM

Both started as a dark, gritty comic book, then reached massive popularity through cheesy television shows. Both shows are still fondly remembered by fans, but didn't accurately represent the characters and themes of the source material. Both progressed to a darker live-action movie which spawned some awful sequels. Both went on to cartoon series which were widely regarded as the ultimate incarnations of the characters. Well, that last part I'm just speculating about. Here's hoping that the new TMNT cartoon will do for the Turtles what Batman: The Animated Series did for Batman.

I think TMNT is such an original concept and has developed a strong mythology, and will have the staying power of comic institutions such as Batman, Spider-Man and X-Men.

heretic888

02-03-2003, 01:41 PM

hmmm.... could be.

Karpo_007

02-03-2003, 03:36 PM

Thats pretty much correct. The 60's and 70's batman cartoons were goofy and campy like the 60's live action show. Batman TAS was a totally diffrent deal. Only thing you are wrong is that Batman returns was darker and better than the original. But after that the same thing happened that happened with TMNT 2 and 3.

It truly seems that like Batman, the TMNT is finally getting back to it's roots.

tekcop

02-03-2003, 04:16 PM

It truly seems that like Batman, the TMNT is finally getting back to it's roots.
Well, Bats isn't completely back to his roots... I mean, he doesn't go around shooting people any more...

Karpo_007

02-03-2003, 04:24 PM

He did that? I had no idea... Well the new TMNT is going to have a darker feeling close to the Mirage , and the plots are pretty much from there too.

Donatello02

02-03-2003, 04:56 PM

I hope they make a fourth movie about the utrom or mousers or something. And PLEASE get JH to do the costumes again, PLEASE!

Aztec General

02-03-2003, 06:26 PM

What a great comparison, I agree 100%.

But I must disagree with Karpo. I am not a fan of Batman Returns. The '89 Batman is far better.

Karpo_007

02-03-2003, 06:33 PM

Well that is pretty much what critics say, and I like it better too. It was even darker than the first one. On Batman forever it went goofy like TMNT 2.

Arsenal

02-03-2003, 07:09 PM

First of all, I can still watch the old TMNT show and enjoy it. It may not be the most hardcore, action-packed experience, but I still love it. It has great humor, lovable characters, and fun adventures. It also still has some of the best cartoon voice work ever. Super Friends, on the other hand, is really painful to watch. And the voices are all really lame. Turtles had aged much better than older DC toons, or even the infamous Batman show from the 60's.

Second, I don't think any of the Turtles sequels are as painful as the worst parts of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.

Ok, maybe Vanilla Ice was pushing it.

Anyway, my point is that I don't think the Turtles have nearly as much opposition in their return as a Batman movie would have right now.

I think most people have forgotten Vanilla Ice. Few can forget the Bat-nipplage. :o

Karpo_007

02-03-2003, 07:18 PM

Ok you apparently like Wolverine. Think about X-men 2 where Wolverine's claws would be taken off, and papa smurf as his main opponent. Also at the end of the movie Michael Jackson siging "Go Wolvie go!" as he is fighting the smurf hordes and making funny one liners.

Imagine that and you will be close to what made TMNT 2 a bad movie.

Arsenal

02-03-2003, 08:14 PM

Thanks for putting me in the right perspective as a real Turtles fan, ya half-witted jackass. :|

Oh, and before anyone says it, the Batdance ruled. :D

Donatello02

02-03-2003, 08:15 PM

beaker

02-03-2003, 08:50 PM

Hmmm, you may be onto something!

Batman: gritty comic debuted in 1945

TMNT: gritty comic debuted in 1985

Batman: Spawned goofy show that tarnished original vision

TMNT: See above

Batman: Had a brilliant, visionary movie made, that became one of the greatest comic book based films ever.

TMNT: See above

Batman: Had a pretty crappy seqeul, followed by an even more unbarable sequel

TMNT: See above.

Batman: After being seen as a goofy, over saturated property, got revamped back to its dark comic roots with a new moodier cartoon.

TMNT: See above.

Hey, you were right!

Psycrow

02-03-2003, 11:56 PM

I thought Batman Returns was better than the original Batman, but thats just me.

Morfiend

02-04-2003, 01:33 AM

That's the exact comparison I was telling a friend of mine earlier in the week when I was telling him about the new TMNT cartoon. I'm a huge Batman fan and love the animated series and hearing the news that the new TMNT was going to be more adult oriented was very good news. I still love the older cartoon to death but the plots will be much more interesting now.

Karpo_007

02-04-2003, 02:30 AM

Yes it is a time of change. And for the better.

R-iZZy

02-04-2003, 09:18 AM

*changes into a Batman fan, and then TMNT fan again*
Ah, change!

Aztec General

02-04-2003, 02:03 PM

Karpo_007

02-04-2003, 02:46 PM

It seems he's a brat, thats why im not going to argue with him. I don't want a flame war here.

Reznorite420

02-04-2003, 04:33 PM

Thanks for putting me in the right perspective as a real Turtles fan, ya half-witted jackass. :|I wouldn't bad-mouth a veteran member of the forums like that if I were a newbie like you...

Anyway...

While this isn't the same type of comparison as the topic mentions, I will say how coincidentally similar TMNT and Ghostbusters are:

-Both began in 1984
-Both take place in New York City
-Both have 4 main characters (not to mention the similarity of personalities)
-Both had cartoons that debuted in 1987

And I must include this as well; in terms of the cartoon, I think TMNT ripped off Jeanine (sp) from Ghostbusters with Irma.

That Matt Guy

02-04-2003, 04:52 PM

Oh, and before anyone says it, the Batdance ruled. :D

It's called the Batusi, and only Adam West (the TRUE Batman) can do it. :D

Karpo_007

02-04-2003, 04:56 PM

I have heard many comparisons about the real ghost busters and TMNT cartoon. There was a web page for it, but I can't remember the adress anymore.

Reznorite420

02-04-2003, 05:42 PM

Well, I wasn't talking about just TRG, but the entire GB line.

Karpo_007

02-04-2003, 05:44 PM

Gb started out as a Movie. TMNT as a comic. There weren't many similarities before the cartoons.

Eye of Sarnath

02-04-2003, 08:30 PM

TMNT don't equal Batman, TMNT=God.

"In the beginning, God created Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And it was good..."

Aztec General

02-04-2003, 09:04 PM

[quote="Reznorite420"
Anyway...

While this isn't the same type of comparison as the topic mentions, I will say how coincidentally similar TMNT and Ghostbusters are:

-Both began in 1984
-Both take place in New York City
-Both have 4 main characters (not to mention the similarity of personalities)
-Both had cartoons that debuted in 1987

And I must include this as well; in terms of the cartoon, I think TMNT ripped off Jeanine (sp) from Ghostbusters with Irma.[/quote]

Yeah there are definite similiarites there. I don't think one influenced the other but they are similar.

Kameko

02-04-2003, 09:16 PM

....And suddenly I know what movies I want to watch when I get home...

WHO YA GONNA CALL?

Erm... I'm okay now. really.

azure turtle

02-05-2003, 01:48 AM

Well, I wasn't talking about just TRG, but the entire GB line.
Hey! I remember someone writing an article about the similarities between TMNT and GB. Lemme see if I can dig it up... Yep, here it is. Written by JFreak, when UM was still active.

http://www.undermanhattan.com/in-house/articles/020410-missing_link/default.asp

Karpo_007

02-05-2003, 02:39 AM

Of thats where I read it.

TerranigmaFreak

02-07-2003, 11:32 AM

Hmm... I'm probably gonna be flammed for this but I thought the first 2 Batman movies were really campy. The Joker was funny, but the laughs were unintensional. Like when he fired that guy into a skeleton, that scene was just dumb. And what's up with the ending in Batman returns where Catwomen french that guy(forgot his name) with the stupid stun gun in her mouth only to fire that guy(looks like they used the same skeleton prop from the first movie). Let's not forget how many times she was shot by that guy in close range and still lived to tell about it(dude she's like a few feet away and he can't aim to save his life?). Second of all I find the so call dark and gritty feel very cartoony. The world feels like a realistic cartoon. What's up with the giant spinning cat head on the building? The sets and shots of the city made me feel uncomfortable. They all look fake. The fights scenes leave much to desire. Batman's movements are stiff and unnatural. Take the fight in the clock tower in the first movie or the part where he was battling in the streets in the second movie. Maybe it's just the cape. It's in all the Batman movies though. The fighting is always so stiff. I liked Batman Forever the best because they didn't take it so seriously. Plus I liked Jim Carrey and Val Kilmer(I hope I spelled it right). I think Val was the best Bruce Wane in all 4 movies.

Now let's get back to the TMNT movies. First one was great. Second one was lighthearted. I hated the Villia Ice part too but overall the movie was great fun. Yes it's definitely NOT in the same league as the first movie but I find it very enjoyable. I don't think people give the 3rd movie enough credit. I am a huge fan of Romance Of The 3 Kingdoms and the whole going back in time to feudal Japan was great especially with the people rebelling against an evil king. Yeah that part with the rebellion really didn't develop that well(like why they were rebelling) but I found the movie had a more epic feeling to it. I really loved the part where Mikey charged into the burning house to save a little boy.

Zenrick

02-07-2003, 01:39 PM

Both progressed to a darker live-action movie which spawned some awful sequels.

I think its a sin to pluralize sequel......TMNT 2 was awesome. Super Shredder and Vanilla Ice!?!? Count me in!!!! I hope they make yet another Batman sequel in which George Clooney gets his head ripped off by a loose hubcap.....I'd pay my dollar fifty to see that!
-J

R-iZZy

02-07-2003, 03:41 PM

"In the beginning, God created Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And it was good..." :lol: :lol: :tlol: :thyper: :rolling:

Karpo_007

02-07-2003, 03:44 PM

Actually it should be Gods. :D

Eye of Sarnath

02-07-2003, 04:54 PM

Yes, you're right.

Karpo_007

02-07-2003, 05:52 PM

Well only one of the "Gods" is involved with TMNT anymore.

Mikey the Party Turtle

02-07-2003, 06:22 PM

Well, if this series is ANYTHING like how Batman:TAS was to Batman, THEN HOLY CRAP I'M GONNA LOVE THIS SHOW! :D

Karpo_007

02-07-2003, 06:35 PM

That it will be, a darker, more serious TMNT based on the original comics.

Mikey the Party Turtle

02-07-2003, 07:44 PM

That it will be, a darker, more serious TMNT based on the original comics.

Well, I kinda meant as in the comic rules, yet you have a GREAT and somewhat faithful cartoon to go along with it. :lol:

Zenrick

02-07-2003, 09:05 PM

Actually it should be Gods. :D

please dont capitalize Gods.........they do not deserve a capitalization, only GOD does, you will now GO TO HELL!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: hehe I'm kiddin. Its just that God is a bad mofo and I dont want people mixing up mortals for this bad dude. I think heretic might have a few dumb spiritual things to say about this, but cool let him have at it 'cause my God is once again a rad mofo......JESUS IS WHAT!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?

Duke

02-07-2003, 09:06 PM

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :) :D :) :D :)

Zenrick

02-07-2003, 09:09 PM

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :) :D :) :D :)

EXACTLY!!!! dang........good answer duke! :):):) hehe. do Wiccans believe in a higher power? I dont know enough about that religion.

Karpo_007

02-08-2003, 04:29 AM

Reznorite420

02-08-2003, 08:07 AM

do Wiccans believe in a higher power?Somewhat. From what my mom has told me (who's a Wiccan herself), they see the Earth as a life force as well as the aspects of it. In a sense, I think they also believe in something similar to the "Q" Continuum (for those of you who know ST: TNG)...

Zenrick

02-08-2003, 10:12 AM

Somewhat. From what my mom has told me (who's a Wiccan herself), they see the Earth as a life force as well as the aspects of it. In a sense, I think they also believe in something similar to the "Q" Continuum (for those of you who know ST: TNG)...

interesting.............kinda sound like hippie talk, but we all believe what we want, and that makes us what we are. Except mormons, they're just retarded HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! kiddin....my best friend is a mormon ;) Anyways, just watched the new show.....was very good, not ANYTHING like Batman.....sheesh.........comparing the Turtles to Batman........they're both great in their own ways, and that needs to be left alone. Only people with too much time try and compare the Turtles to ANYTHING. They are the greatest, thats all.

hmmmmmm, what am I talking about? dunno........ok I stop
-J

Reznorite420

02-08-2003, 03:20 PM

I wouldn't exactly call it "hippie" talk...think about how the Celts and Native Americans viewed the Earth, and that's as close to Wicca as I can say.

Zenrick

02-08-2003, 05:46 PM

I wouldn't exactly call it "hippie" talk...think about how the Celts and Native Americans viewed the Earth, and that's as close to Wicca as I can say.

its the same as hippie talk :)

lhb412

02-08-2003, 09:13 PM

I wouldn't exactly call it "hippie" talk...think about how the Celts and Native Americans viewed the Earth, and that's as close to Wicca as I can say.

its the same as hippie talk :)

Except with less LSD

Lisardo

02-09-2003, 03:58 PM

I love both TMNT and Batman just about equally. BUt I admit, I like Batman TAS more than the movies b/c as some of you said, it did alot for Batman. Well, I do love the first Batman alot tho. If not for that 1st movie, the toon may have never been gritty like that. With TMNT, I think they were always gritty and dark to an extent. In teh original comics. HOwever, even back then, they was always some humor esp. from Mikey. And I like how the new cartoon has portrayed that; a mixture of seriousness and humor. And this is just the first ep!