Laird Says "No" To 2008 TMNT Pitch

[ZariusTwo]

http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2007/06/tmnt-2008-cartoon-season.html

Oh. Snap.

Pute, your thoughts, or have I missed you mentioning this already?

[Spawn Guy]

Yes! No Forever war style limbo!

*Begins countdown to some one asking "Now what?"*

[VaughnMichael]

Yeah Roseangelo brought this up before in one of the threads.
Dan asures me though that they will end FF so I'm gonna take his word for it.
I mean Murphy is pretty much saying the same thing here.
The thing that has me wondering is this line
However, the Fast Forward rebranding/show direction is definitely over after the last 6 episodes air in Fall 2007... and the turtles and Splinter are slated to return home to their "normal" time (or are they?) come 2008.
Very interesting oh and the thing Liard turned down was told to us by Roseangelo to be some along the lines of Pokemon.:dead:

[Roseangelo]

You did see the date and see that this was old news, right?

If you'd have read through the good news/bad news thread, you would have read this (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=531723&postcount=491).

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Very interesting oh and the thing Liard turned down was told to us by Roseangelo to be some along the lines of Pokemon.:dead:

Pokemon is not a good analogy. Pokemon is actually a video game show that happens to have a card game. Yu-Gi-Oh and Chaotic are straight card game shows and are the better analogy.

[VaughnMichael]

You did see the date and see that this was old news, right?

If you'd have read through the good news/bad news thread, you would have read this (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=531723&postcount=491).

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But you couldn't blame some one for not wanting to read through that thread.:lol:
Pokemon is not a good analogy. Pokemon is actually a video game show that happens to have a card game. Yu-Gi-Oh and Chaotic are straight card game shows and are the better analogy.
Hey Lady I was just saying what you said orig. :P
I wasn't the one that was told that anyways you where I was just going off what you said before.;)
And I don't even see how that idea would work.:roll:

[Roseangelo]

Hey Lady I was just saying what you said orig. :P

Where did I say anything about Pokemon?!! :P

[ZariusTwo]

TMNT-GI-OH?

...I hate this company. I seriously do not know on a scale of OVER 9000 how insane they are.

[Roseangelo]

TMNT-GI-OH?

...I hate this company. I seriously do not know on a scale of OVER 9000 how insane they are.

It doesn't matter, since Peter rejected it. And apparently something has now been approved, although we don't yet know any details on what this is.

[ZariusTwo]

Sighs of releif.

[VaughnMichael]

Where did I say anything about Pokemon?!! :P
I swear you said Poke-mon-esque or something to that nature before but it's really not important whats important is that Laird does in fact have a brain in his head. :D
TMNT-GI-OH?

...I hate this company. I seriously do not know on a scale of OVER 9000 how insane they are.
My thoughts exactly Zarius! It's like who the hell are these people to come up these moronic ideas?:|

[ToTheNines]

I can't picture TMNT doing anything that crazy. Has anyone here ever watched Chaotic? that show sucks on so many levels, gag me.

[Ninjinister]

TMNT-GI-OH?

...I hate this company. I seriously do not know on a scale of OVER 9000 how insane they are.

... Please tell me that was not a reference to that stupid Vegeta meme.... :roll:

I can't picture TMNT doing anything that crazy. Has anyone here ever watched Chaotic? that show sucks on so many levels, gag me.

Gods yes. I remember seeing the art for the cards in the preview commercials, and I recall thinking to myself "Woah, this might be cool." Then I saw the first episode and I was completely turned off by the show's art, plot, and writing. The only episode that I watched after that was the one the TMNT were on.

[ZariusTwo]

... Please tell me that was not a reference to that stupid Vegeta meme.... :roll:

WHAT? 9000?!

[Spawn Guy]

The Bush adminstration?

Wait, you guys don't have that anymore do you?

[ToTheNines]

Gods yes. I remember seeing the art for the cards in the preview commercials, and I recall thinking to myself "Woah, this might be cool." Then I saw the first episode and I was completely turned off by the show's art, plot, and writing. The only episode that I watched after that was the one the TMNT were on.

Yep, when they first started advertising the show a month or show before it came out I thought it might be sorta cool... but hell no. It's such an ugly toon, and the dialogue makes me wanna erase my memory.

[Spike Spiegel]

TMNT-GI-OH?

...I hate this company. I seriously do not know on a scale of OVER 9000 how insane they are.


Me too. If not for TMNT, I would never watch 4Kids.

[The Terror of Death]

4kids isnt that bad. Infact, I will go as far as to say I love it.:evilgrin:

[ZariusTwo]

That's akin to admitting you're from a third-world country.

How's life spitting on the names of Japanese anime artists?

[Ninjinister]

That's akin to admitting you're from a third-world country.

How's life spitting on the names of Japanese anime artists?

Now, it's not fair to dredge up the past. If you'll notice, this past season the only new Japanese anime 4Kids aired was a continuation of Yuugiou... which was actually designed with overseas (meaning outside Japan) markets in mind. In fact, if I remember correctly, the show itself was designed by 4Kids themselves and has yet to air in Japan!

Besides, bashing dubbing companies is so 90's.

[Roseangelo]

If you'll notice, this past season the only new Japanese anime 4Kids aired was a continuation of Yuugiou...

Ever heard of Magical DoReMi (http://4kids.tv/magicaldoremi/)? No? It's the girls' anime series 4Kids butchered and killed this year (they seem to pick one every year or two). It's hugely popular in Japan, but went unnoticed over here for several good reasons, all of them 4Kids' fault.

[Ninjinister]

Ever heard of Magical DoReMi (http://4kids.tv/magicaldoremi/)? No? It's the girls' anime series 4Kids butchered and killed this year (they seem to pick one every year or two). It's hugely popular in Japan, but went unnoticed over here for several good reasons, all of them 4Kids' fault.

That wasn't this season....

[Roseangelo]

That wasn't this season....

Really? My bad then..

[VaughnMichael]

Really? My bad then..
Reguardless of what season it was they still butcher the hell out of shows.

[Spitfire]

Laird showing some backbone for once? I'm proud of the man.

[Ninja Tiptup]

I'm willing to wait for a quality product but thank heavens we wont have to see TMNT-GI-OH like 4kids supposedly wanted.

Seriously ever since Pokemon Cards became popular (they're not so much anymore but I hear people play them more these days) 4kids has had an unhealthy love of card games. I mean honestly... if you make video games based on card games (and lots of 'em) then you're going way to far.

[odupianist]

4Kids is the antiChrist of TV lol, okay that was a bit harsh, but I still don't like 'em. Bring back FoxBox lol

[Drtooth]

Let me just say...

Card game: Yeah... Yugioh has lost its edge since last year (which is why WB dropped it like a bag of moist garbage) and Chaotix isn't gonna be a hit any time soon, so the natural course of action would be to glom on to a dying fad. That way they'll never lose money.

4Kids anime dubs: Look to your left... look to your right.... what country are you in right now? What country is 4Kids located? That's right... USA. The country with the most rediculous censorship laws outside of a middle Eastern or Comunist bloc country. Of course they'd dance around hacking to pieces Japanese shows... they do the same damn thing to American ones. South park, last Time I checked was rated TV MA... and yet they can't say any swears about Damn and Hell. yet on a live action show same rating... well... it can be hard core porn.

Violence and refferences to death must be chopped out so childless old women don't throw a hissy fit about how damaging it is to kids... meanwhile, such kids get shot to death by a gang of drug dealers or something. "Little Jeffy brought a gun to school!" Who's fault is it? Monkey D Luffy? Bart Simpson? Certainly not the parents.

The 3 things I hate about them are their business sence (seriously? Whomever runs 4Kids needs to go to business school those corrospondance classes aren't working), their removal of oringinal music (I think it has more to do with them being cheap and less to do with filling in pauses) and their idea of shoving odd puns and (dated) low carb jokes every which where. Censorship is not their fault, oddly enough.

But then again, if it wasn't for 4Kids, this site would just be about... "hey Remember Corporate Raiders from Dimension X? That was a great episode!"

We have to take the good with the bad. The only thing I didn't like Vis A Vis Turtles due to 4Kids was Fast Forward... but then again, the idea came from Playmates, who wanted to sell more toys. They just decided on their own to make it childish, probably due to episodes like Insane in the Membrain and Nightmare Recycled.

So while I do not like what they do to anime creators and writers, it's basically the same as what we do to our own creators and cartoonists here. Oh... and add they make room for Loonatics Unleashed and crap thunk up by board room members who had no childhood while they pass on creative new ideas.

[Aztec General]

The only thing that's important here is that the absolute garbage Fast Forward is going off the air. Now perhaps we can actually get back to the real TMNT?

[Mr. Stay Puft]

I can't picture TMNT doing anything that crazy. Has anyone here ever watched Chaotic? that show sucks on so many levels, gag me.

I have to agree. I've seen better animation in amateur Flash cartoons.

[Scandia]

Violence and references to death must be chopped out so childless old women don't throw a hissy fit about how damaging it is to kids...

Didn't at least one person die in Captain Planet? That was back in the early 1990s. Ma-ti's father (implied to be Chico Mendes) was killed by someone. Some other boy died of a drug overdose. And yet Captain Planet lasted for six seasons and its legacy still lives on.

Granted, Captain Planet was more aimed at tweens and teens than to little kids. But death is a part of existence. And I do not remember any legitimate protests of this cartoon.

Anyhow, I do not think there is anything horrendously traumatizing about the violence level in 2k3. I did recognize the metaphor in Leo's damaged shell- but a watcher is not going to get shell shock from what happened to the Turtles. I can see some people blowing fuses about the minced oath of "shell" used so much- but it is still not a curse word. My only big objection to anything in the TMNT world was to April and Casey cohabiting in the 2k7 movie- and they still do not show any actual objectionable behavior on screen, so it did not prevent me from loving the movie and falling back into obsession with TMNT.

I'm almost 30 and childfree. I love watching 2k3. I love watching anime. So I hope they do not drop TMNT or bowdlerize it or turn it into another stupid bland thing out of fear of censors from both wings.

[Jester]

Isn't death also implied in Gargoyles and some other (albeit older) Cartoons maybe it harder to get that stuff on TV post-Janet Jackson's Super Bowl Blow-out.

[VaughnMichael]

I think people forget who's in office right now and how times have changed.

[Drtooth]

Anyhow, I do not think there is anything horrendously traumatizing about the violence level in 2k3. I did recognize the metaphor in Leo's damaged shell- but a watcher is not going to get shell shock from what happened to the Turtles. I can see some people blowing fuses about the minced oath of "shell" used so much- but it is still not a curse word. My only big objection to anything in the TMNT world was to April and Casey cohabiting in the 2k7 movie- and they still do not show any actual objectionable behavior on screen, so it did not prevent me from loving the movie and falling back into obsession with TMNT.



Funny thing, that... they actually got away with death multiple occassions on TMNT 2K3... like the dark alternate future episode... everyone pretty much dies at the end. But maybe that's cuz Peter Laird is over here and can make a stink about it, while Eiichiro Oda (sp) is all the way over in japan and unaware of this. It is a double standard.

But I don't get why they can't refference death in kids cartoons... how in God's name would you explain Casper the Friendly Ghost then?

[Ninjinister]

Let me just say...

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This is almost verbatim what I've been saying for years. Bravo.

(Also, just as an addendum, not everyone on the boards are from the US of A)

If you take into account all of the species mentioned to have been wiped out by Ch'rell, TMNT actually has the highest body count of any US-made kids' cartoon. Word.

[ZariusTwo]

My only big objection to anything in the TMNT world was to April and Casey cohabiting in the 2k7 movie-.

Which is about as inane a criticism as anything...

[Spitfire]

Which is about as inane a criticism as anything...

They made an entire topic about it living with your girlfriend before Marriage is apparently evil.

[Drtooth]

(Also, just as an addendum, not everyone on the boards are from the US of A)
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I should have just meant the company was situated here... but that's about it...

Cartoons maybe it harder to get that stuff on TV post-Janet Jackson's Super Bowl Blow-out.

They made an entire topic about it living with your girlfriend before Marriage is apparently evil.

I could go on and on about this stuff... OOh... we wanna get sex and violence off the street, but since it's too hard, let's go harass creative people, all the while letting sleazy things like Temptation Island or Big Brother on TV. I don't care if it's adult time, they cut and snip adult cartoons as well. Parents don't parent anymore and then go crazy when their kids become gun toting obese glue huffing 12 year old fathers. 5 year olds should watch sesame Street and Arthur, NOT TMNT or one piece.

[Dr. Doom]

Parents don't parent anymore and then go crazy when their kids become gun toting obese glue huffing 12 year old fathers.

This statement amuses Doom.

[Scandia]

The 2k3 cartoon contains many bathroom jokes and other relatively vulgar remarks. Which the 1987 toon did NOT have. I do not think those references are necessary or funny.

[Ninjinister]

This statement amuses Doom.

Doom? Now that's a metallic face I've not seen on these boards in some time! XD

The 2k3 cartoon contains many bathroom jokes and other relatively vulgar remarks. Which the 1987 toon did NOT have. I do not think those references are necessary or funny.
Kids love bathroom humor. You should've seen my cousin rolling on the floor after Mikey's "He ho smelt it, dealt it" line.

[Jester]

There were some adult jokes in the original TMNT...rewatch those puppies.

[ToTheNines]

Yep, there are some. I can't remember any off the top of my head, but I certainly remember a few.

[gobo]

"TURTLES OF THE JUNGLE"
Prof. W.W.W.: "Bad monkey!"
Donatello: "You're not going to spank him, are you?"

[Spitfire]

The 2k3 cartoon contains many bathroom jokes and other relatively vulgar remarks. Which the 1987 toon did NOT have. I do not think those references are necessary or funny.

Really now? Irma is a walking stereotype of the horny female nerd who isn't attractive to get any so she hits on every man she meets. Burnes is dating a chick whose like 20 and he's 50 the sexual humor in there. And don't get me started on Vernon's homosexual undertones, he always has something negative to say about women.

And Shredder and Krang act like a married couple who argue all the time and bicker. They talk about how they need one another and make up when their angry at each other.

Yup old toon was very kosher.

[ZariusTwo]

The 2k3 cartoon contains many bathroom jokes and other relatively vulgar remarks. Which the 1987 toon did NOT have.

Donatello: You see that stupendous dish?

Irma: Thankyou Donatello

Donatello: Not YOU Irma...


Yeah. You can shut up now.

[gobo]

And don't get me started on Vernon's homosexual undertones, he always has something negative to say about women.
Don't confuse misogyny with homosexuality. He tried to con April into giving him mouth-to-mouth in CBS's debut ep, "THE DIMENSION X STORY", after all.Donatello: You see that stupendous dish?

Irma: Thankyou Donatello

Donatello: Not YOU Irma...


Yeah. You can shut up now.
I... fail to see how that was at all adult humor. And, though unsure of who you're telling to shut up, you're the one getting irritating at the moment. Settle down, please.

[VaughnMichael]

Don't confuse misogyny with homosexuality. He tried to con April into giving him mouth-to-mouth in CBS's debut ep, "THE DIMENSION X STORY", after all.
I... fail to see how that was at all adult humor. And, though unsure of who you're telling to shut up, you're the one getting irritating at the moment. Settle down, please.
I don't know If Mr. Fenwick is indeed gay but I'd say the character is more a stereo typial pretty boy sissy which is more often than not the gay stereo type. Which is moronic because honestly if you mess with me yeah I'll cut your kneck open and watch you bleed...*shifty eyes*
Actully theres allot of adult humor in the old toon please seriously don't make me go through every episode.
And I'd say Zarius was talking to Scandia seeing as he quoted her dooiiiiiii :P

[ZariusTwo]

you're the one getting irritating at the moment.

Why? Because some buzzkill can't accept sex before marraige and does'nt "get" when there's perkier humour in the original cartoon? Yeah, right.

[gobo]

No. Because she's not causing a scene over it. She's only said her views on the topic, but you're the one being rude because you disagree. Her opinion isn't hurting you. I don't agree with it either as it is an extremist belief. But, why bother getting all worked up over it? It really doesn't make people want to listen.

Long story short, a simple eye roll would have served your purposes better. :)I'd say Zarius was talking to Scandia seeing as he quoted her dooiiiiiii :P
I noticed this right after I posted. I almost went back to reword it, but I thought there was little chance anyone would harass me about it. Thanks for being my 'little chance', man. ^_^

[Roseangelo]

So much love around here. It just makes me all warm and fuzzy.

[VaughnMichael]

I noticed this right after I posted. I almost went back to reword it, but I thought there was little chance anyone would harass me about it. Thanks for being my 'little chance', man. ^_^
You're very welcome I was being silly I know the mood in this thread is one thats all pissy but I wasn't.
So much love around here. It just makes me all warm and fuzzy.
*rubbs Warm and fuzzy Rose* hehehe it's like a muppet!:lol:

[Scandia]

I'm talking about things like Raph saying "I don't want to stare at Mikey's butt" in the NT and the joke about someone smelling gas and Mikey saying "it wasn't me". Passing gas happens, it's a biological function. No need to make jokes about it. Many viewers write their ages using two digits and thus have gotten past that stage.

Puns and word plays are a totally different subset. And to me Vernon is more metrosexual than anything else.

And as I have said before, Irma is NOT a nerd in any way. She seems more concerned with socializing and dating men than with academics or hobbies.

[gobo]

Vernon is more metrosexual than anything else.
I have yet to be curious enough enough to go look up that word...

And, I agree about Irma. She may have a nerdy appearance, but they made it plainly obvious that she wasn't all too bright. In this case, the term is being used metaphorically. One needn't be a nerd to be nerdy and the like. Lack of social graces and fashion sense make Irma nerdy.

[odupianist]

The references are all in what you make of it. I mean all cartoons have some subtle adult humor. You know why? Cause the parents should be watching the cartoons with the kids. You know, that crazy thing called parenting.

Ex. I was watching Rocko's Modern Life a few months ago. Mr. Bighead asked Rocko if he wanted to come bowl with him. Rocko said no thanks and that they were playing their own game. Camera pans to Fil and Hef at the table, holding ping pong paddles, with a board game that had a spinning monkey bending over. Kids won't notice it, but it's there for the parents.

Vernon being metrosexual? "Metrosexual" wasn't even a term in the 80's. It's a term that was recently created for stupid shows like "Queer Eye" and **** like that. It's a term that basically tells guys it's okay to act like girls and not manly men like Sean Connery and John Wayne and other cool manly men lol

[Drtooth]

I love when they stuff funny innuendo in stuff like that... my favorite is during the Bullwinkle "Wossamotta U" story arc, when Fearless Leader disguises a gang of thugs to look like girls so they can jack up the betting odds against Wossamotta U...

Rocky: What kind of game can you play with girls?

Bullwinkle: Boy, this really is a kid's show, isn't it? Parcheesi of course!

Irma alsways struck me as the kind of woman who dates the wrong men, doesn't take pride in her appearance and wonders why the heck she can't find Mr. Right, and then complains about it all the time. Plus, I gotta say, what's really shocking is how multiple times she hits on animals or robots. (When someone brings up the subject of an interview with Bigfoot, Irma saya "Find out if he's married." Ick)

And Vernon... well, I feel he is effeminant. Gay, maybe in the sense that Smithers is gay for his boss, maybe. i felt more like the only man he was really attreacted to was himself, sort of like Simon Belmont.

I have to admit, I don't hate toilet humor when it's done well. Farting multiple times and making poop jokes isn't funny. But doing it in a clever and fresh way is kinda funny, actually.

[Ninjinister]

I'm talking about things like Raph saying "I don't want to stare at Mikey's butt" in the NT and the joke about someone smelling gas and Mikey saying "it wasn't me". Passing gas happens, it's a biological function. No need to make jokes about it. Many viewers write their ages using two digits and thus have gotten past that stage.

Look at the show's rating. It's TVY7. Meaning that there is three years worth of kids that still have single digit ages - not to mention parents that let them watch it even if they are under seven.

And besides... I'm 22, and I still find some of those jokes funny. Maybe you're just more mature than I am. After all, Garfield once said "Growing old is inevitable. Growing up is optional."

[Vegita-San]

Don't confuse misogyny with homosexuality. He tried to con April into giving him mouth-to-mouth in CBS's debut ep, "THE DIMENSION X STORY", after all.
I... fail to see how

Heh, one of my favorite old toon moments. It shows Vernon may have the hots for April but is too snooty too admit it :). This particular moment happened in Donatellos Degree, though :).

[gobo]

O_O You're right! >_<

How dare you be right, making me wrong?! :goof:

I was thinking it was at the Dimension X tavern when he got thrown across the room, but I remember now. :sweatdro: Whoopsie.

[VaughnMichael]

Puns and word plays are a totally different subset. And to me Vernon is more metrosexual than anything else.
Nice try but that moronic fad wasn't even conceived until around 2003.
Vernon being metrosexual? "Metrosexual" wasn't even a term in the 80's. It's a term that was recently created for stupid shows like "Queer Eye" and **** like that.
Exactly and god I hated that show I'm so happy it's gone!

[jenna]

I'm talking about things like Raph saying "I don't want to stare at Mikey's butt" in the NT and the joke about someone smelling gas and Mikey saying "it wasn't me". Passing gas happens, it's a biological function. No need to make jokes about it. Many viewers write their ages using two digits and thus have gotten past that stage.



Yeah, but don't forget that the turtles are four teenage boys. I work with men in their forties and fifties who still find that stuff amusing: respectable professional men - it's only inevitable that jokes like that would fly around amongst the turtles.

[Spitfire]

I'm talking about things like Raph saying "I don't want to stare at Mikey's butt" in the NT and the joke about someone smelling gas and Mikey saying "it wasn't me". Passing gas happens, it's a biological function. No need to make jokes about it. Many viewers write their ages using two digits and thus have gotten past that stage.

Yeah but the audience they want to reach still think fart jokes are funny. They don't give two craps if adults like it. Adults mostly don't buy toys kids do.

[ToTheNines]

Yep, my younger cousins laugh at the word fart. So yeah, what the target audience likes, the target audience gets.

[Spitfire]

Well to be honest I'm 19 and I still giggle sometimes when someone rips one. Hell my Dad does to and he's over 40. I think it's a guy thing.

[VaughnMichael]

Well to be honest I'm 19 and I still giggle sometimes when someone rips one. Hell my Dad does to and he's over 40. I think it's a guy thing.
And my grandmother who's a conservative christian and is like 70 thinks the word Fart is one of the funniest things ever.

[Scandia]

I just want them to animate Tales Volume 2. Even if it results in a rather episodic series. I don't care. They're still GOOD.

And today at Zumba the instructor had me go on front of the class for one of the merengue tune. As much as I love dancing, I still got embarrassed and blushed in the part about "shaking your tail". Never mind that I usually go front during the flamenco dances and love moving the hips and using my eyes and hands in a sultry way. There are just things that I have my limits in.

[shuriken]

Irma alsways struck me as the kind of woman who dates the wrong men, doesn't take pride in her appearance and wonders why the heck she can't find Mr. Right, and then complains about it all the time. Plus, I gotta say, what's really shocking is how multiple times she hits on animals or robots. (When someone brings up the subject of an interview with Bigfoot, Irma saya "Find out if he's married." Ick)

And Vernon... well, I feel he is effeminant. Gay, maybe in the sense that Smithers is gay for his boss, maybe. i felt more like the only man he was really attreacted to was himself, sort of like Simon Belmont.

I have to admit, I don't hate toilet humor when it's done well. Farting multiple times and making poop jokes isn't funny. But doing it in a clever and fresh way is kinda funny, actually.

Yeah When toilet Humor is all that's used, it gets repetitive and unfunny. But when it's done well then it can be funny, or downright hilarious.
Maybe Irma was really kinky and was into Beastiality and stuff like that, you never know.
Oh and DRtooth, who's Simon Belmont? Because I thought he was the guy who came out in Castlevania.
As for Laird's decision, I'm glad TMNT is going back to what it was, at least I hope so.

[Scandia]

Simon Belmont was the original Castlevania hero indeed. But in Captain N the cartoon, he was an EXTREMELY vain and conceited guy. He bordered on being narcissistic. He was very much into himself.

We suspect Vernon Fenwick is just like that.

[Spitfire]

I just want them to animate Tales Volume 2. Even if it results in a rather episodic series. I don't care. They're still GOOD.
To be honest as cool as that would be I don't think it'd work since most of the stories play off previous stories told in volume 1. Some are totally new stories but I don't see them working since most of them deal with subject matter that I don't see making it into a kids show.

Like issue where Raph follows Shadow to Europe and that murderer is running around in the catacombs and almost kills Raph or the werewolf one they did the mini-series after. The blinded Leo one is pretty brutal as well. They can't do Ocho because Leo gashes his eye and that's why he hates him.

Some of the issues are really boring though, like the one where Don and the Utrom go down into the ocean together. I think the multiple Leo issue might work great as two part episodes though. However they'd have to do the return of Shredder as a Shark for them to do that story.

There's also the issues with social commentary in them like the Gold farming story too.

But I agree a series like that would be nifty espcially if they changed the animation style every week to match the issue their doing*Though I could do without Lawson's style*

[shuriken]

Simon Belmont was the original Castlevania hero indeed. But in Captain N the cartoon, he was an EXTREMELY vain and conceited guy. He bordered on being narcissistic. He was very much into himself.

We suspect Vernon Fenwick is just like that.

Oh, ok gotcha Scandia...
back to the topic, I think that they could do some eps from Tales Volume 2 but with a cartoon TWIST ya know. Like what they did with I monster or Return to New York.

[Scandia]

They can keep the animation consistent IMHO. Fine with me.

Definitely the value of gold one could work. The one where Shadow follows that Lilith lady that is the prequel to Bad Moon Rising can be adapted so that Angel is the one joining that cult. Loops can work well- but Leo would have to be the age that he is now in the NT. Blind Faith and Blind Sight can be done with removal of the potion that sends Leo into the trance- he and Splinter can just meditate about it and receive the vision. They can do the "ghost of Oroku Nagi" one to be adapted into a "ghost of Yukio Mashimi" or "ghost of the original Oroku Saki way back then". There is a sci-fi one involving Donatello that I really liked which I would love to see animated. "Not forgotten" can be done, as well as Kaddish (although I can see how people would protest that one for different reasons than what they usually protest). And of course, doing "My Hero" as a flashback would be totally adorable.

So far they have done a tremendously good job in adapting the comic to the new toon. In fact, I think they have improved it.

[Spitfire]

They can keep the animation consistent IMHO. Fine with me.

Definitely the value of gold one could work. The one where Shadow follows that Lilith lady that is the prequel to Bad Moon Rising can be adapted so that Angel is the one joining that cult. Loops can work well- but Leo would have to be the age that he is now in the NT. Blind Faith and Blind Sight can be done with removal of the potion that sends Leo into the trance- he and Splinter can just meditate about it and receive the vision. They can do the "ghost of Oroku Nagi" one to be adapted into a "ghost of Yukio Mashimi" or "ghost of the original Oroku Saki way back then". There is a sci-fi one involving Donatello that I really liked which I would love to see animated. "Not forgotten" can be done, as well as Kaddish (although I can see how people would protest that one for different reasons than what they usually protest). And of course, doing "My Hero" as a flashback would be totally adorable.

So far they have done a tremendously good job in adapting the comic to the new toon. In fact, I think they have improved it.
This would be where we part ways. I cant' stand watered down stories and the entire first issue of Blindsight is about Leo throwing himself off the roof of a building and impaling himself on his own sword. Then Raph gets murdered. They can't cut that much.

Reading Return To New York, then watch it. It's nothing like the original other then the title I see very few similarities. It's like that for almost every comic adapt episode. Like Turtles Against HATE. Any reason why they changed the skin color of the cult leader? I mean it's minor things as much as it is other things. Ugh...

[odupianist]

I'm glad they put Zog in the series, but I would have preferred him in RtNY like the comics. But the Sword of Tengu and the Mystics weren't in the comics either, so it's a give and take

[ToTheNines]

If one thing stays the same, I hope they don't get new voice actors (especially not for the turtles). I would be righteously pissed.

[odupianist]

Agreed, the VA's are really good and they're cool from the videos I've seen

[Drtooth]

Yeah When toilet Humor is all that's used, it gets repetitive and unfunny. But when it's done well then it can be funny, or downright hilarious. ]


I think the japanese really do it justice.... Arale playing with talking lumps of poo... Kinnikuman flying by farting... stuff like that.

And don't forget our Mr. Hanky.... that stuff is funny...

But Farts have lost their edge. It was funny back when they did it on Ren and Stimpy, but it's just.... you know... 3rd grade gutter humor. I didn't too much like the Mystic one cutting one every five seconds. And that gas joke was clearly taken from Shrek 1....


But some kids still laugh at farts.

BTW, why do I get the feeling I'm the only one that LOVES Cap'n N's version of Simon belmont? I just love butt shaped chin characters who are narcissistic and stupid like that.

[gobo]

That's the only Simon Belmont I ever knew. ^_^

[VaughnMichael]

BTW, why do I get the feeling I'm the only one that LOVES Cap'n N's version of Simon belmont? I just love butt shaped chin characters who are narcissistic and stupid like that.
hahah no way! Simons one of the best characters he reminds me of captain link hogthrob from pigs in space!:lol:

[Spitfire]

But Farts have lost their edge. It was funny back when they did it on Ren and Stimpy, but it's just.... you know... 3rd grade gutter humor. I didn't too much like the Mystic one cutting one every five seconds. And that gas joke was clearly taken from Shrek 1....


But some kids still laugh at farts.

Like this kid, jesus my Dad and me watched in awe as The Ancient One farted the most times we had ever seen in a half hour of programming. That was funny as hell. I could have done without the Yeti's that was ugh but the farts mixed with his comments were pretty funny.

I don't exactly have the most intelligent sense of humor however.

[VaughnMichael]

Like this kid, jesus my Dad and me watched in awe as The Ancient One farted the most times we had ever seen in a half hour of programming. That was funny as hell. I could have done without the Yeti's that was ugh but the farts mixed with his comments were pretty funny.

I don't exactly have the most intelligent sense of humor however.
I remember some one named spitfire b1tching when that episode with the ancient one farting through the entire thing came out.;)

[Spitfire]

I remember some one named spitfire b1tching when that episode with the ancient one farting through the entire thing came out.;)

You remember very very very wrong cause the first time I saw that I was sitting on the couch in my Dad's apartment laughing my ass off with him.

The only gripe I had with that episodes that the insanely stupid Yeti dialog.

[Coola Yagami]

This would be where we part ways. I cant' stand watered down stories and the entire first issue of Blindsight is about Leo throwing himself off the roof of a building and impaling himself on his own sword. Then Raph gets murdered. They can't cut that much.



How did Leo survive??? And Raph got murdered??? How did they undo that?

[Spitfire]

How did Leo survive??? And Raph got murdered??? How did they undo that?

Very very easily
Leo was having a vision
Yeah I know not the most original of ideas but they couldn't just cut it, it's part of the story.

[Coola Yagami]

Ah, well in the regular show, they has Karai stab Leo in the shell, and though they never showed it, it was hinted at and even mentioned in the next episode. They could do the Leo falling on his sword thing in a similar way. And as for Raph... well we've seen Mikey sliced to ribbons (or hinted at) in The Way it Never was. They could do the same kind of cutaway edit.

And if it was a vision, it would be so easy to make Leo go *GASP!!* and wake up the second he fell on his sword. Another edit, though the impalement gets implied.

[Spitfire]

Ah, well in the regular show, they has Karai stab Leo in the shell, and though they never showed it, it was hinted at and even mentioned in the next episode. They could do the Leo falling on his sword thing in a similar way. And as for Raph... well we've seen Mikey sliced to ribbons (or hinted at) in The Way it Never was. They could do the same kind of cutaway edit.

And if it was a vision, it would be so easy to make Leo go *GASP!!* and wake up the second he fell on his sword. Another edit, though the impalement gets implied.

Well that's a good idea but they couldn't

The sword goes all the way through him and then paramedics find him and they drag him to a special lab somewhere and his guts are hanging out all over. Then they figure out he lives in the sewer from some dirt found on him and they find the turtles lair and Raph gets killed and the others captured. Yeah they could cut away the violence but the method they both die in is to brutal to even imply. There's no way in hell they will have ANYONE die from being shot in a kids show anymore. You just can't pull that kind of stuff off.

Course this is granted they keep it true to the comic if they changed it up tons like they do with all the other comic adapts then it wouldn't be a problem but I don't see it being very good either. They'd have to do the Tales issue that the story starts in as well and in that issue

A Foot Elite blinds Leo because Leo had blinded him in a fight at the Foot headquarters. Then he tricks Leo into stabbing a homeless man and that's how Blind Sight all starts, he feels guilty for murdering an innocent man.

[Spawn Guy]

Not really since he falls on his sword and things get worse from there. I don't see it as a vision so much as him considering actually doing it and imagining what would realistically happen. Also the TMNT hardly show up at all until the SWAT team guns them down. I'm not sure peole want to see an animated episode of CSI.

Edit: I need to learn to type faster.

[Sage Ninja]

you know...the fact that the network presented Laird with a comcept pitch that was so sucky that he rejected it out right, sort of worries me of what exactly we are in for in 2008.

I really thought that a return to the present and an asperation to retool the series to match the tone and atmousphere of the CGI movie ment a return to the edgier and grittier TMMT of the first four seasons, but with an animation style change to match the movie. But with a pitch like pokemon-esch TMMT indicates they are still trying to go for a watered down kiddified crap direction with the series :dead:. Which is a far cry from what every one here is hoping and expecting. Are we really going to get our turtles back in their former glory or are we in for an incarnation of the turtles that is worse than the FF stuff. :sick:

Now I'm really worried on what the hell is going on at 4kids if they are still flinging comercialised crap like this at laird. I'm scared :(

[jenna]

you know...the fact that the network presented Laird with a comcept pitch that was so sucky that he rejected it out right, sort of worries me of what exactly we are in for in 2008.

I really thought that a return to the present and an asperation to retool the series to match the tone and atmousphere of the CGI movie ment a return to the edgier and grittier TMMT of the first four seasons, but with an animation style change to match the movie. But with a pitch like pokemon-esch TMMT indicates they are still trying to go for a watered down kiddified crap direction with the series :dead:. Which is a far cry from what every one here is hoping and expecting. Are we really going to get our turtles back in their former glory or are we in for an incarnation of the turtles that is worse than the FF stuff. :sick:

Now I'm really worried on what the hell is going on at 4kids if they are still flinging comercialised crap like this at laird. I'm scared :(


That's what I'm worried about. After the stupid idea and FF, I don't have faith that they will give the appropriate treatment to the TMNT anymore. I just hope Laird and Mirage have enough influence over them to put a stop to the ridiculousness.

[METALHEAD]

laird better get 4kids by the balls and demand freedom for his show damnit:tevil:

[Drtooth]

That's what I'm worried about. After the stupid idea and FF, I don't have faith that they will give the appropriate treatment to the TMNT anymore. I just hope Laird and Mirage have enough influence over them to put a stop to the ridiculousness.

I think he does. He did initially say that Fast Forward was an okay idea, but clearly after seeing what it was, he quickly wanted to end it.

I think he does have some clout, after all, he does own the copywrite, and can tell Playmates and 4Kids to take a hike.

What worries me is the card game thing. I know the Fast Forward concept was Playmates's doing, but the writing was all 4Kids. but Card games are flopping left and right. Do we need another one? Can't kids just play Magic, the original one, and leave Yugimon at the curb?

A Card game simply won't sell. Especially since they ALREADY had a card game that didn't sell.

I am holding onto hope the next idea will be decent, if not workable... but unless they somehow travel to a dimension of talking cars that turn into Robots who ride ponies with the princesses (to get both marketing groups)....

Shut up, Dr.Tooth.... 4Kids may be reading this....

[gobo]

If/when that becomes the next season, at least we know who to blame. :P

[mumbo230]

What worries me is the card game thing. I know the Fast Forward concept was Playmates's doing, but the writing was all 4Kids. but Card games are flopping left and right. Do we need another one? Can't kids just play Magic, the original one, and leave Yugimon at the curb?

A Card game simply won't sell. Especially since they ALREADY had a card game that didn't sell.
The reason 4Kids tried a card game show is because of their new trading card division that I believe was originally set up because of their Chaotic card game. 4Kids has been putting a heavy focus on card games ever since, with them already having Yu-Gi-Oh! and Chaotic, and with them licensing Dinosaur King, which will start airing in the fall. Trading cards are cheap to produce and don't need very good sales to turn a profit. I'm pretty sure that even with the TMNT card game season idea being shut down, there will still be a TMNT card game coming out in the future regardless.

[VaughnMichael]

I'm pretty sure that even with the TMNT card game season idea being shut down, there will still be a TMNT card game coming out in the future regardless.
That would be moronic man people really don't learn their lesson they did this allready with the 2k3 show and the idea flopped.:roll:

[Scandia]

A card game show? "bangs head" They cannot have run out of ideas. There are still plenty Mirage comics that have NOT been adapted. And Season 5 was AWESOME, even if not directly taken out of any Mirage comics. I know they have imagination. I know they have material. They do NOT need to make another Yu-Gi-Oh or Pokemon.

If they make a TMNT card game on its own, fine with me. I'm not into card games. But some people are. Just don't transform TMNT into the next Pokemon. I like Pokemon, but I won't be getting obsessed with it any day now.

[Ninjinister]

That would be moronic man people really don't learn their lesson they did this allready with the 2k3 show and the idea flopped.:roll:

The reason the 2K3 TCG flopped was one thing and one thing only: no promotion. Other than seeing boxes of them at discount prices at a K-Mart years later, I only saw them at a Wal-Mart out of town. Upper Deck made no advertisement for the series, and instead chose to promote Yuugiou and Vs. System. My local card shop even refused to get them (unless I special ordered a whole case) because they never heard of them and thought they wouldn't sell. Meanwhile, they still have case upon case of their first order of Duel Masters collecting dust on the discount rack.....

[ToTheNines]

No matter how I look at it, I can't picture TMNT characters dueling/battling with monsters, is it just me?

[gobo]

I'm sure it's not just you, but I've seen them battling monsters in several episodes.

[TerranigmaFreak]

I don't see why you guys are still stressing over the whole card battling bit. Laird's already rejected it, and I doubt he would accept an idea even worst than that -- if that's even possible.

[Scandia]

I think what most people fear is that there will be no new ideas for another TMNT 2k3 season and thus no more TMNT 2k3 cartoon. Or that they will have another Fast Forward season. That we may have to say goodbye to the awesome storylines and character development of the five regular time seasons for good.

I don't want to. I want more 2k3 toon.

[Roseangelo]

Another season is confirmed and a proposal has been accepted. It is not Fast Forward. It is probably different from 2K3. We just don't know yet.

[mattmanw54301]

Yeah, everyone was flipping out. But Laird already rejected it. Personally from here, the only thing that would make things right would be to go back to the 2k3 toon. But making a toon that looks more like the 2007 movie? Sign me up!!! :evilgrin:

[Spitfire]

I think he does. He did initially say that Fast Forward was an okay idea, but clearly after seeing what it was, he quickly wanted to end it.

FF was HIS idea to begin with let's not have any mistakes about that. The reason he wants to end it is because I'm have a gut feeling he reads this message board and saw all his fans trashing it.

[The Terror of Death]

FF was HIS idea to begin with let's not have any mistakes about that. The reason he wants to end it is because I'm have a gut feeling he reads this message board and saw all his fans trashing it.

Yes, people always seem to forget FF was always planned as season 6 its just the "lighter and funnier" thing that wasnt his idea.

And people hate on 4kids way too much. They really arent as bad as most make them out to be. They make some really good decisions from time to time. They just need some guidance.

[CyberCubed]

Fast Forward may have been Laird's idea but I think he wanted it to remain in the same tone as 2k3, not have catch phrases like, "It's Ninja Time!" shouted in every episode.

Even though I haven't seen the last 6 eps of FF yet, looking back at it now, it was fine for what it was although I do wish it kept the same animation style and depth of Seasons 1-5. Still, I had fun with the FF concept, and I did like a number of the new villains, although I'm not sad to see it go. 26 episodes in the future was enough, I'm up for something different next time.

[mattmanw54301]

I think FF got a bad rap. It was decent for what it was, but now it's time for something different. My question is, are they gonna keep the same armor things from FF? Are any villains going to follow them? I would love to see the Dark Turtles or Torbin Zixx showing up in the present.

[The Terror of Death]

I think FF got a bad rap. It was decent for what it was, but now it's time for something different. My question is, are they gonna keep the same armor things from FF? Are any villains going to follow them? I would love to see the Dark Turtles or Torbin Zixx showing up in the present.

I would love for them to keep the FF gear but I know its not going to happen. And the Dark Turtles going to the present would be awesome.

[triplexxx]

Well, they might keep the elbow/knee/wrist pads temporarily, but everything else they won't need; they look better without it any way. Zixx and the dark turtles following them might be a good idea; they have to give those characters some type of conclusion anyway.

[Spitfire]

Fast Forward may have been Laird's idea but I think he wanted it to remain in the same tone as 2k3, not have catch phrases like, "It's Ninja Time!" shouted in every episode.
Maybe not be he did approve all the episodes before they were made

Even though I haven't seen the last 6 eps of FF yet, looking back at it now, it was fine for what it was although I do wish it kept the same animation style and depth of Seasons 1-5. Still, I had fun with the FF concept, and I did like a number of the new villains, although I'm not sad to see it go. 26 episodes in the future was enough, I'm up for something different next time.

I wish that as well but being as how budget cuts happened corners were cut.

I mean the entire animation team was fired so as to what the new season will look like that's anyones guess.

[ZariusTwo]

And people hate on 4kids way too much. They really arent as bad as most make them out to be. They make some really good decisions from time to time. They just need some guidance.

Pppft...the only good decision 4pricks make are renewing TMNT. The day they stop phasing out black characters (turning them white as in One Peice) and are allocated a time slot on AS or a mature DVD label for them to import animes to is the day they will get respected.

But with so much money developing and dubbing crap on a stick, what does it matter?

[Spitfire]

Pppft...the only good decision 4pricks make are renewing TMNT. The day they stop phasing out black characters (turning them white as in One Peice) and are allocated a time slot on AS or a mature DVD label for them to import animes to is the day they will get respected.

But with so much money developing and dubbing crap on a stick, what does it matter?

Yeah I hate Funimation too. Sunrise was always leagues better.

[Drtooth]

And people hate on 4kids way too much. They really arent as bad as most make them out to be. They make some really good decisions from time to time. They just need some guidance.

I agree... I don't like what they do to certain shows (though i feel their Kirby was an improvement, and their Ultimate muscle was funnier... albiet at inappropriate parts), and I really think whomever runs it needs to go back to business night classes or something... but without them, no TMNT.

I also agree while FF was his idea, I don't think the way it came out made him very happy.

[Sage Ninja]

its to bad that FF couldn't have been used to incorporate volume four story lines into the show. That would have been pretty sweet.

[Scandia]

In the "Home Invasion" episode, the Wild West COW Boys of Moo Mesa are there (or some creatures who look like them). So that's at least some of Tales Volume 2.

[ToTheNines]

its to bad that FF couldn't have been used to incorporate volume four story lines into the show. That would have been pretty sweet.

Like what? Mikey goes to alien jail? or how about Count Raphula?

[Spitfire]

In the "Home Invasion" episode, the Wild West COW Boys of Moo Mesa are there (or some creatures who look like them). So that's at least some of Tales Volume 2.

Not really it's just the guy those characters belong to works at Mirage. It's like when Usagi is in the series just some guys crossover.

[Roseangelo]

Not really it's just the guy those characters belong to works at Mirage. It's like when Usagi is in the series just some guys crossover.

"That guy" is Ryan Brown. :P And yeah, their appearance in the cartoon has no relation to Tales.

[VaughnMichael]

"That guy" is Ryan Brown. :P And yeah, their appearance in the cartoon has no relation to Tales.
shhh don't tell them about the man who's created tuns of tmnt characters.:lol:

[Spitfire]

"That guy" is Ryan Brown. :P And yeah, their appearance in the cartoon has no relation to Tales.

I'm not going to assume everyone knows that though so using words like "That guy" saves me explaining. It's evasion tactics. Work in retail long enough and you learn them all haha

[Roseangelo]

Ryan's too cool to go unnamed. 8)

[Spitfire]

Ryan's too cool to go unnamed. 8)

You got me there! He's very very cool. He ranks up there with Dan Berger in badassness.

Dan Berger is my favorite TMNT artist I really wish he didn't have messed up wrists and he didn't have to quit drawing.

[shuriken]

You remember very very very wrong cause the first time I saw that I was sitting on the couch in my Dad's apartment laughing my ass off with him.

The only gripe I had with that episodes that the insanely stupid Yeti dialog.

Yeah, that really bothered me for some reason, couldn't they have made them sound like arrogent @$$holes without that dialog?. I remember the First time I saw that episode I imediately thought "ya know this Is kinda like like Luke finding Yoda", except replace Yoda with a farting fat guy and Luke with Leo. But even then I felt that so much farting was unneccessary, even thought I did laugh for a good while. :)

[J Legault]

Too bad they can't simply give what the fans truely want.

One season of the turtles in the future is long enough. A shame the idea of it isn't for every fan to enjoy. I didn't mind the season since it's still tMNT.

It be cool to see more comic adaption episodes. Not sure what to see in the 2008 season. But I'm hoping the new series will eventually get as many episodes as the old one.

[ZariusTwo]

Too bad they can't simply give what the fans truely want.

They did for five years. One queer jingle in the future did'nt do anything but redirect attention to Tales of the TMNT, so one aspect helped another.

[Stephen]

I mean the entire animation team was fired

That's gratitude for them .......

[Roseangelo]

That's gratitude for them .......

How many times do I have to say that no one was fired?!!! Fast Forward got canceled and people who were working on that series stopped getting work. There IS a difference!! You can't continue to work on a series that is canceled!

[Ninjinister]

Agreed. Since all of the animators for Fast Forward still work at 4Kids and Dong Woo, on other projects... how the Hell does that constitute as them being fired.

[CyberCubed]

And it wouldn't shock me if those same people are employed to work on the animation for next season. Same people, different art style, its the same concept.

[Scandia]

Their jobs ended. Probably closest to being laid off due to a position ending or being eliminated. Being fired is something very different. Some people don't even use "fired" unless the termination was due to theft. "Termination" can be due to incompetence, personality conflicts, poor work ethic, or attendance problems.

[Buslady]

thei jobs ended? i doubt it. They would be reassigned to a new project than laid off unless there truely was no work. Why waste the folks who make the thing if you got other projects going? Stick them there.

like Rose said, nobody was sacked.

[Drtooth]

thei jobs ended? i doubt it. They would be reassigned to a new project than laid off unless there truely was no work. Why waste the folks who make the thing if you got other projects going? Stick them there.


4kids 4goes traditional business means by not trying to make a 4tune. I guess we all 4got that for a second.

[Slap-Happy]

How many times do I have to say that no one was fired?!!! Fast Forward got canceled and people who were working on that series stopped getting work. There IS a difference!! You can't continue to work on a series that is canceled!
THANK GOD FAST FORWORD WAS CANCELLED:D

[gobo]

4kids 4goes traditional business means by not trying to make a 4tune. I guess we all 4got that for a second.
You missed one. ^_^

[Drtooth]

oops I guess I 4got. I wish I had the 4sight to see that.


Does anyone think the next idea for a show amy have something to do with this news? (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=21281)