Least Favorite TMNT Universe?

[Scandia]

What is your LEAST favorite TMNT universe?

I am not including The Next Mutation, since pretty much everyone dislikes that one. But of the 5 major ones, which one is your least favorite?

[ToTheNines]

I can't vote, I love all of them. Next Mutation was a bad show, not necessarily an awful universe, you also left out Image. If I had to vote I'd go with Archie since it's the turtle-verse I've had the least exposure to.

[CyberCubed]

I like all those universes, mine would be Next Mutation with Image as second. Although I do like Image, but I can't say I like it more than the others.

[VaughnMichael]

I can't vote either like the others said you left quite a few off the list like the next mutation, images, video games, toy lines, etc.

[Scandia]

The other poll about favorites only included these 5 universes.

But even if none of those are your absolute least favorite, please vote for which of those you like the least. And you can also mention the universe you dislike most. I am assuming TNM is a given for everyone.

[Warhorse]

Why does it have to be the least out of the 5? Why not your fave out of the fivem because life is too short to dwell on the negativity of things, you know what I mean?

[TheUltimateShredhead]

I can't pick out my least favorite universe, but my favorite have to be the 1987 series;) .

[Scandia]

Someone else asked already which one was your favorite. So I am now doing the flip side. I am not a pessimistic or negative person- I am just curious about this.

[VaughnMichael]

if I had to choose I'd have to go with the movie world simply because of the new movie...I really loved it at first but I can't watch it again I find it boring.:ohwell:

[VKMTV]

I can't vote either like the others said you left quite a few off the list like the next mutation, images, video games, toy lines, etc.

And I can't vote because I haven't caught the new cartoon.

[gobo]

Sid & Marty Kroft's Mighty Morphin' Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation...

But, out of the poll, I just don't know... The movie universe was 50% lame (due to the halfway good second and mostly bad third movie). The '87 'toon was also consistently lame, but it was what caught my attention in the first place. 2K3 is my fave tho.

[Sage Ninja]

meh...I suppose the archie comics medium. I can't that I actually hate it since I've never read it. How ever I'm not so big on the character ninjara and her inclusion into the turtle team. :|

[KROW]

I'm going with the movies, simply because they are the least loved out of the five for me. Archie and OT are pretty much the same thing, at least in the beginning they were. But once Archie got on its own, they had some really cool stories. Looking back on it, the OT was obnoxious, but that was what it was made to be: fun as hell and full of color.

[Scandia]

It's time for me to comment on my own thread.

The 2k3 toon is my favorite TMNT universe. It adapted some of Mirage's best storylines quite well while adding some new ones that work great as well. So that one was easy to eliminate.

Mirage may be a chaos of continuity errors, timeline errors, inconsistencies, plot holes, contradictions, and incoherencies- not to mention being extremely gritty and having some things I disagree with. BUT it was what started it all. If it were not for the Mirage comic, the other incarnations would not exist.

The 1987 toon may have totally altered Splinter's origin and not focus much on the family aspect. But it was my gateway drug- as well as that of many of us. I have no other major complaints about the old toon. It gives me a lot of laughs. April is a kickarse career woman- not to mention sexy. Some episodes are extremely good. If it were not for the 1987 toon, many people would have never found out about the TMNT- much less gotten into them.

So it boils down to either the movies or the Archie comics. I have only read 13 issues of the comics (starting from where they have storylines different than those in the OT). So far they seem good and have a great message- though 40 had a great idea yet very poor rendition and execution of it. The first movie was more faithful to the original comic book than the OT, while still incorporating some nifty elements of the 1987 cartoon. The other movies were fine. Honestly, I think the main purpose of the movies were to promote the Ninja Turtles even more- which they accomplished. Storywise I am not so sure. The 2007 movie did get me obsessed with the TMNT for the second time- but I do have a few criticisms of it.

If I had to pick a least favorite indeed, I will have to go with the MOVIES. I liked them. I just liked the other universes better.

[General Traag]

I pick the movies, the first ones had been nice as a kid but watching them now is pretty embarassing. :s And the recent one was cool but that alone can't match up with a pretty freaked out archie universe.

[xmen510]

I don't know if I can really just choose 1 of those. i like just about everything EXCEPT anything done in the future pretty much.

[Revan]

I cannot bring myself to officially vote in the poll but I'd have to say the FF seaons of the 2k3 series are my least favorite.

[Krueger]

It is the one I've seen the least, which is the 2K3 series but that possibly could not be if I decided to watch it.

[cowabunga14]

I can say that I don't care much for Fast Forward and Next Mutation would have to be in second.

[Drtooth]

Dammit... I can't vote either because none of those Universes are remotely sucky. not even the movies. The first and last one were brillaint, the other two, not as good, but still enjoyable.

As for the comics, there are actually different sub-universes depending on which author wrote and drew it. Which would, for me be whomever wrote that lame Casey Jones story in Turtle Soup 2 or 3 (I forget which one it is, but it's the issue with the TMNT parody where they play a send up of Dungeons and Dragons and fight a giant baby).

My 3 least favorite Universes are...


The Next mutation. All and all, I felt if they didn't add that stupid stupid girl Turtle, the show would have been okay. I remember loving the first episode, and once Venus was introduced, it stunk like heck.
Rock show Universe.... just and only Just because of that stupid Christmas special. Seriously, to coin a phrase from Jerry Seinfeld, What was the deal with that?
1987 toon based Children's books. They never were any good. Either they were terrible transcripts of comics or the movie, or horrible kiddfied (even worse than the old toon) versions of themselves doing rediculously childish easy reader things.


And not the cool "easy Reader" either...

http://www.joyfantastic.com/images/tshirts/upclose/easyreader.gif

I mean that book where the guy steals Pizzas and the Turtles say:

He did not take a number.
He did not wait.

That's the trump card of all of them.

The 2K3 ones are pretty dang good, though.

[VaughnMichael]

I've gotta laugh at the people who are saying something is the worst because they've never seen it or read much of it.
I'd hold my judgements untill you've seen everything something has to offer before judging it.
I hate the Next mutation as much as most fans but not everything in it was bad.
There's good and bad things in each tmnt world.

[Andrew NDB]

I hate a poll like this, because it puts me in a position where I have to say I like the original cartoon least... even though, in fact, I enjoyed it very much as a kid and even once in a while pop in the DVDs to reminisce.

[AquaParade]

:tneutral: That was hard.

[ToTheNines]

1987 toon based Children's books. They never were any good. Either they were terrible transcripts of comics or the movie, or horrible kiddfied (even worse than the old toon) versions of themselves doing rediculously childish easy reader things.

Lmao, I never had any of those but I remember them. I almost got in a fight because of "Michelangelo's Haunted House". Some "special kid" in my gym class had one in 6th grade, I told him that I loved the ninja turtles when I was a kid. Being the red-neck that he was, he took this the wrong way and challenged me to a fight. I thought about it, but backed down for obvious reasons.

[Drtooth]

Mikey's Haunted House? How did that go?

It's a Ghost!
See The Ghost!
AAAH! It's a Ghost!
Now I'm eating a pizza!
The End

Seriously. Even if they made the Turtles cuddly marketable child versions of themselves like every Hanna Barbera character in the 90's (after Muppet babies) they couldn't get anything more juvenile.

I mean, there are fans of the original comics that hated them being a breakfast cereal. I bet picking one of these up would make them slit their wrists or something.

[Jester]

Each has it's negatives...

OT: Had the cheese factor, and the European Vacation episodes.
Archie: Had some very lame issues in the beginning, and was very eco-preachy.
Mirage (especially vol 4) can be slow as molasses in winter.
Movies: (Though I actually really like it) TMNT 3 is the loser here.
2k3: Sometimes comes up short on character development and lets not forget >>.

But despite all the "bad" I still like them all, Mirage would be my least favorite because, and I'm sorry Putrescent, because it's the one I have the least exposer to (but what I read of Vol 1 I liked, and Vol 4 is good if not a bit slow moving.)

[VaughnMichael]

But despite all the "bad" I still like them all, Mirage would be my least favorite because, and I'm sorry Putrescent, because it's the one I have the least exposer to (but what I read of Vol 1 I liked, and Vol 4 is good if not a bit slow moving.)
Don't be sorry to me educate yourself by buying the comics ;)

[ToTheNines]

Ooo, I just thought of my least favorite universe. The 2k3 video game universe. It was so jumbled up, the first time you fight shredder, he says "we meet again" or something like that, and the turtles say they "ain't the same turtles you fought before". Then the retarded gembu lesson, and Slashuur, the bounty-hunter Utrom with convenient amneisa. And lets not forget the craptacular anime cutscenes.

[Drtooth]

I hate the Universe of the First game for NES.... that is ONE frustraiting universe. Plus it seemed like they couldn't decide between making it based off the comics or the cartoon. Why did they have all 4 wearing red bandanas on the cover?

[ToTheNines]

Yes, a universe where turtles can swim only in level 2, where plants shock you, where enemies regenerate, and where Krang dose not exist.... perfection.

[Wildcat]

Well Iv never really read the comics or the Archie Adventures....but from what Iv seen...."Fast Forward"....which Im surprised is not one of the choices.

Its an ok cartoon but its just boring and not exciting enough.

[ToTheNines]

Well Iv never really read the comics or the Archie Adventures....but from what Iv seen...."Fast Forward"....which Im surprise is not one of the choices.

Its an ok cartoon but its just boring and not exciting enough.

It is an option, it's the same universe as the 2k3 cartoon.

[Wildcat]

It is an option, it's the same universe as the 2k3 cartoon.

Oh....wow...I mean I know thier linked in terms of storyline and characters...but...besides that who would even say that the 2K3 cartoon is thier least favorite?.......I thought all of us here pretty much agreed that the 2k3 series(NOT FF) was great.

[Andrew NDB]

Would probably rank them...

1) Mirage
2) Archie
3) 4Kids
4) Films
5) Fred Wolf cartoon

Though I don't know... out of 4 films, I really only find myself "loving" one of them... and that's not really a good ratio, is it? I want to put the Fred Wolf cartoon ahead of it in terms of sheer volume of material that I enjoy, but in a single movie (the original) the film universe managed to "get" the TMNT in a way the original cartoons never came close to.

[Revan]

Would probably rank them...

1) Mirage
2) Archie
3) 4Kids
4) Films
5) Fred Wolf cartoon

Though I don't know... out of 4 films, I really only find myself "loving" one of them... and that's not really a good ratio, is it? I want to put the Fred Wolf cartoon ahead of it in terms of sheer volume of material that I enjoy, but in a single movie (the original) the film universe managed to "get" the TMNT in a way the original cartoons never came close to.

I assume you ranked them in asending order. You had me a bit confused since the thread is about your LEAST favorite but it looks as if you ranked them best to worst.

[Andrew NDB]

I assume you ranked them in asending order. You had me a bit confused since the thread is about your LEAST favorite but it looks as if you ranked them best to worst.

Oh, my bad. Quite right.

[Revan]

(the original) the film universe managed to "get" the TMNT in a way the original cartoons never came close to.

Yeah, movie one is def closest to the original (Mirage) turtles. Each turtle universe is almost an entire new franchise. The concepts and philosophies are so different between incarnations that each one is basically it's own universe.

[ZariusTwo]

Next Mutation, which honestly SHOULD be here.

[Scandia]

The first movie probably has the Shredder story closest to the original comic. However, remember that April is a reporter in it. And Shredder is recruiting kids to be Foot Ninjas in the USA. Otherwise, I like its fidelity.

Remember that Fast Forward is part of the 2k3 universe. So count it as a story arc rather than its own series. Personally, FF is fine with me- though I want the Turtles to return to regular time AND for Cody to stay in the future.

I did not put The Next Mutation because it is automatically assumed that TNM is everyone's least favorite universe. And didn't Peter Laird himself say it was his least favorite as well and thus he declared it apocryphal?

[Jo Dawn]

Well... everything should have been on there. We mustn't assume anything about anyone's tastes. And Pete doesn't like the old toon, either, and that's there.

So, my least favorites are (in no particular order) :

FF (which IS a seperate universe. Anything that crappy and different has to be.)

And the old toon.

[Drtooth]

Next Mutation, which honestly SHOULD be here.

I think that's why he left it off... everyone would say that.

[Scandia]

Scandia is a SHE. Not the most feminine woman in the planet. More prince than princess. Testosterone count too high and getting treatment for it. But still a she who likes dolls and pink and dresses and flowers and hairbows and makeup and maryjanes and shopping too.

I am aware that Peter Laird does not care for the old toon. But he still acknowledges the existence of it. I am just asking if his absolute least favorite TMNT version would be TNM. Or the OT. Or the idea that 4kids was trying to convince him about (and he THANKFULLY said no to). Or what.

[Mandi-chan]

My least favorite would be Old Toon/Fast Forward (it's a spin-off, a seperate show, has its own seasons...I think I can include it.)

[Mecha Cow]

Though I can appreciate the old 'toon for what it is, I really don't like its portrayal of the TMNT universe so I'd say it's my least favorite, barring Next Mutation of course.

Also not very fond of the Archie comics; it had its moments but most of the storylines were a bit too out there for my liking.

[Scandia]

Hmmm....It seems like people tend to dislike the ones that are least faithful to the original intended story. Especially regarding Splinter's origin- after all, the NT did come up with a new origin for the Shredder. I prefer a human Shredder, but I otherwise think that the NT is extremely good per se and in its faithfulness in adapting Mirage stories.

[Lisardo]

I hate a poll like this, because it puts me in a position where I have to say I like the original cartoon least... even though, in fact, I enjoyed it very much as a kid and even once in a while pop in the DVDs to reminisce.

Honestly, I'm really no different. I was stuck on the FW cartoon forever and didn't seem to notice or care much about the comics. Then as I grew older I pretty much outgrew the old toon in favor of more mature storylines, that of the comics. I also used to love the 2k3 toon a lot because it related much more to the comics but even there I've sort of lost some my interest in it. But like you I can't totally dis the original cartoon because it, and the first movie, is what intially drew me to TMNT. Had I been older back in the day who knows, I may have been one of the diehard TMNT comic book fans that DETESTED the toon when it came out.

[Spitfire]

I picked the movies because they were my least favorite off the list.

Archie the worst? Archie is one of the best.

[Scandia]

I have read 20 issues of Archie (5-23 plus 40) and so far am VERY satisfied with them. I like how the Turtles call each other "brothers" and use the nicknames. If it weren't for Splinter's origin, it could climb up to be my second favorite universe right after the 2k3 toon- but 2k3 still has a big edge because it focuses on Leonardo so much.

[VaughnMichael]

I have read 20 issues of Archie (5-23 plus 40) and so far am VERY satisfied with them. I like how the Turtles call each other "brothers" and use the nicknames. If it weren't for Splinter's origin, it could climb up to be my second favorite universe right after the 2k3 toon- but 2k3 still has a big edge because it focuses on Leonardo so much.
I know you're crazy about Leo and all that but see that's why I started to not like 2k3 that much tmnt is about togetherness as a family and unity.
When they started to make the show all about leo they lost that and my excitement about the show.
But yeah Archie gets better the further you get into the series.

[Scandia]

Just because 2k3 is the most Leonardo-centered of the Turtle universes does NOT mean that it is all about Leo and strictly about Leo. There are many episodes about family and togetherness in all the seasons. In fact, Leo does not get all that much attention in FF to be honest.

[VaughnMichael]

Just because 2k3 is the most Leonardo-centered of the Turtle universes does NOT mean that it is all about Leo and strictly about Leo. There are many episodes about family and togetherness in all the seasons. In fact, Leo does not get all that much attention in FF to be honest.
Hence why I like FF when the show became more about leonardo than anyone else it became really annoying to me and I know at the time it went on I wasn't the only one.
I happen to like leo more now that he's not the center of attention again and just part of the family.
It's ok you can defend 2k3 all you like but I'm not bashing it I'm just saying the time period where it was all leo leo leo leo annoyed me and made me care less about the show.

[ZariusTwo]

The movies, due to the toning down of the second, and the blatant effort of the third.

[shuriken]

I didn't want to but I voted Archie series due to the fact that I had little to no contact with it.

[VaughnMichael]

Ugh!:o I'm sorry but that's no reason to vote something as the worst.
And I'm not even saying this because I like the Archie series.
Educate yourselves on things before you judge them and choose them as bad.
It's like saying oh I hate so and so cause I don't know them but my friend frank told me they suck so I hate them to.:P

[Spitfire]

I didn't want to but I voted Archie series due to the fact that I had little to no contact with it.

Then you should have voted for your least favorite out of the ones you had contact with.

[ZariusTwo]

I didn't want to but I voted Archie series due to the fact that I had little to no contact with it.

Then read the blasted titles.

Raph punching out Hitler does not a bad comic make.

[VaughnMichael]

Then read the blasted titles.

Raph punching out Hitler does not a bad comic make.
Oh but I love archie so am I an inane fan boy and does that make you one for enjoying it also? :P

[Scandia]

I wonder if Archie has any bad issues or even mediocre ones.

As much as I love 2k3, some episodes are tough to watch (due to my favorite character having gone into his shadow and disintegrated), and others are mediocre. The 1987 toon is chock full of mediocre and lousy episodes- but they are bad in a "they add nothing to the plot and are ridiculous" way. Both have several "I would rather skip this" episodes.

And of course, Mirage is full of many filler issues that are not canon or have not been declared canon. Not to mention all the things that make no sense.

Movies don't really count because there are only four of them.

[ToTheNines]

The 1987 toon is chock full of mediocre and lousy episodes- but they are bad in a "they add nothing to the plot and are ridiculous" way. Both have several "I would rather skip this" episodes.

There's a mighty large amount of good OT episodes that don't add to the plot, and a few ridiculous ones that are good too.

[Drtooth]

Raph punching out Hitler does not a bad comic make.

This is the best thing you've ever said in the history of ever.

[Mutated Leo]

I have to go with the old toon. I hated it when it first came out. Being a reader of the comics it was like a sharp stick to my turtle eye. Painful. The toys were cool for a while. Looking back the old toon is better than NM but how does one compare piles of poop? This one had less corn.

[ZariusTwo]

Lord, the irony original series bashing on a forum called The Technodrome speaks for itself.

[Revan]

Zarius has a point

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