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Splinter's Iroonna

10-02-2007, 08:41 AM

Check out Murphy's blog entry about "TMNT: Overload"--

http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/

A month or so ago the producers/creative team at 4Kids Productions pitched their second idea (the first - codenamed "Superworld" - having been rejected by Mirage) for the 2008 TMNT cartoon season... TMNT: Overload.

The basic idea behind Overload is that the Turtles, while traveling through time on their return home from the Fast Forward future, briefly get stuck in the past alongside their "kid" selves, and then, thanks to the quantum mechanics of villainous plot shenanigans, all 8 turtles arrive in the year 2008 ("home").

Excerpted from the pitch materials:

"An incredibly powerful digital villain has taken over the World Wide Web, then sets his sights on the real world...

"The turtles take on their greatest (and most annoying) opponents ever... themselves as kids!"

Playmates shot it down. Thought it would be too confusing to CHILDREN.

Go check out the piccie.

Spawn Guy

10-02-2007, 09:09 AM

Are they...wearing shoes? Somthing's up with Mike's (both of him) feet...

Rooish

10-02-2007, 09:10 AM

Thank you sweet God for letting that idea be shot down ...

I feel like that would have killed the TMNT. Imagine trying to attract an older audience with the Turtles taking care of kid versions of themselves. Ugh. Just ugh. I'm so glad Playmates did the right thing for a change.

Roseangelo

10-02-2007, 09:19 AM

I knew Rooish was going to say that. :lol:

While I find the concept to be rather cute, I do have to agree. I could stand that for maybe a two-part episode, but for a whole season? Yikes...

I just hope all parties can get on the same page and start real work on a new season soon... time's running out.

Rooish

10-02-2007, 09:39 AM

Oh dear, am I really negative and predictable? I thought it would be a bad idea if it was done for the good of the TMNT in general. Personally, I would find it cute, just as I find the new movie and Fast Forward and the old cartoon. But I guess I'm too concerned with what the public, in general, thinks of the TMNT, and that's why I cringe when I see "kiddie" aspects: because I worry that, although kids like it, people won't really respect the TMNT as something that adults can enjoy. I don't feel that way because I'm worried about what my friends will think; I'm just worried for the "good of the franchise." But I guess the franchise will always need kids to like it, because there's just not enough adults to sustain the TMNT by themselves, even if it got darker and less kid-friendly.

That being said, I like Fast Forward more than the darker Lost Season. I'm not quite sure why. But anyway, I wasn't trying to say that dark=good and light=bad.

ZariusTwo

10-02-2007, 09:51 AM

TMNT...Digital Mutants, TMNT are the Champions!

Masked Ninja

10-02-2007, 10:45 AM

:sick: That poster is gonna give me nightmares. The kid-turtles look so very ugly... with their tennis-ball sized, shinyshiny eyes.

And Mirage was ready to accept it? For once... thank you Playmates for shooting this one down. I don't want to deal with any more time travel, especially when we'd be stuck with the four kid-turtles, who'd probably reach Zach-the-5th-turtle annoyance levels.

I'm not entirely against the idea of revamping with a gimmick, so long as the gimmick's good. No gimmick would also be fine, heck.

odupianist

10-02-2007, 10:58 AM

I agree, it'd be good for one or two episodes, but whole season, no. I think Playmates logic for shooting it down was lame though. I know most kids are dumb these days, but would they really not be able to tell the difference between adult Leo and kid Leo? Gimme a break.

DrSpengler

10-02-2007, 10:59 AM

How hard is it to just make a TMNT cartoon? No time travel, collectable card games, chibi turtles or any other stupid gimmicks. Just a cartoon about the TMNT fighting new and classic villains. Like the first 5 seasons of the 2k3 series.

I think what really depresses me is that Laird and Mirage thought this was a good idea, only to have the toy company tell them otherwise.

Ugh. I have a feeling the show isn't going to be ready by Fall '08 if they haven't even agreed on a concept yet...

a_big_apple

10-02-2007, 11:01 AM

people won't really respect the TMNT as something that adults can enjoy.

I agree.... the "Overload" idea would be really fun for a few episodes, and I think there's a huge fan following who like the idea of the TMNT having to deal with children--especially themselves as children. But I'm not sure it could be sustained a whole season. Anyway, what I really wanted to say was that I wish they hadn't totally trounced the idea of drawing on the Archies--there was some good, dark stuff in there in the Dean Clarrain/Chris Allan years, and while it would be difficult to make it match up to the 2k3 universe (Splinter was Hamato Yoshi, Shredder is a human, April's a reporter, blah blah), I think there are a lot of plotlines and characters that would transfer well to animation. Besides that, I would be having fits of unbearable excitement and happiness the whole time. The Archies rock my world.

Fledermaus

10-02-2007, 11:03 AM

Good God -- "minor revisions" aside, not only is that a horrible concept on par with Fast Forward, but... Mirage approved of it. How encouraging.

And how utterly foolish of me to hope for one minute that TMNT might be spared the sparkly sticker makeover for its next television incarnation.

Someone break the curse. Please. MN, if you ever make it big in animation, avenge the green team. I will do likewise if my fortunes ever allow it.

ZariusTwo

10-02-2007, 11:09 AM

I think what really depresses me is that Laird and Mirage thought this was a good idea, only to have the toy company tell them otherwise.

What frustrates fans further is the fact Playmates wanted to bring the show back to the older series and ARCHIE comics, and Laird and 4Kids turned them down because it wasnt what THEY wanted, not neccersarily their top merchandising supporters.

DrSpengler

10-02-2007, 11:10 AM

I noticed that, too.

How could Laird approve of something like "Turtles babysit themselves for a whole season!" and then give the thumbs down to something with nostalgic appeal for the original series and Archie comics?

I know he says he has no bias toward the old stuff, but things like this make me wonder if he's being entirely truthful.

At any rate, c'mon Laird...Mirage, do you even care about the integrity of the TMNT on TV anymore?

ZariusTwo

10-02-2007, 11:35 AM

It may have been approved because the younger Turtles have been heavily focused on in several episodes, and he likely would have "wiped their memories" of their visit as seen in the Lost Season when they first encountered the Ninja Tribunal.

Good for a premiere, not a season. What else is there to learn about the younger Turtles anyway?

ZariusTwo

10-02-2007, 11:37 AM

EDIT: Double post

Drtooth

10-02-2007, 11:40 AM

Hmmm... Auotattack figures, idiotic "action feature" toys that do one thing and never get played with again, not having the FF line and the Movie line co-exist.... and NOW they decide to make a good idea?

This series would be absolute turtlecrap. Nothing more, nothing less. i can't even believe Mirage accepted it. This makes "Alien Hunters" sound like a great idea.

How hard is it to just make a TMNT cartoon? No time travel, collectable card games, chibi turtles or any other stupid gimmicks. Just a cartoon about the TMNT fighting new and classic villains. Like the first 5 seasons of the 2k3 series.

Why do they insist on NOT doing what they've been doing for 5 years just to make a cheap grab at merchandising? Why not just make new TMNT sculpts, and toys of new villains? that would sell. Only reason they feel they need a "Gimick" is to sell stuff they won't sell.

What frustrates fans further is the fact Playmates wanted to bring the show back to the older series and ARCHIE comics, and Laird and 4Kids turned them down because it wasnt what THEY wanted, not neccersarily their top merchandising supporters.

Think very very hard about that. Would you want an inferior copy of the older series with out the original actors doing the voices, and having a set of others imitate them poorly? I sure as shell wouldn't.

Go check out the piccie

BY TOUTATIS!!! They've gone with stylizing and simplifying them into blocky angular styles again. Now they have hooves?

How many more revamps until the turtles look like this...

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb174/drslumptooth/ppppp.jpg

Fledermaus

10-02-2007, 11:47 AM

How hard is it to just make a TMNT cartoon? No time travel, collectable card games, chibi turtles or any other stupid gimmicks. Just a cartoon about the TMNT fighting new and classic villains. Like the first 5 seasons of the 2k3 series.

You know... TMNT has a gimmick. In fact, they have four. It's in their name.

Teenage
Mutant
Ninja
Turtles

That is their essence, is it not? They already have four gimmicks . Why paste time-travel or baby-sitting or alien hunting or paleo-patrol on top of all that?

Rhetorical question. Please do not bombard me with obvious answers.

CyberCubed

10-02-2007, 11:52 AM

The thing that is the most concerning is this show won't even HAVE a 2008 season at this rate if none of the companies can agree on anything.

I thought the next season was going to resemble the tone of the new movie, what the hell happened to that?

Rooish

10-02-2007, 12:16 PM

I just .. I just want the TMNT to be cool again. :cry:

Edit: Also, I think that the TMNT is seriously starting to become marketed towards girls. Because girls freakin' love toddler turtles.

Chris

10-02-2007, 12:29 PM

So we have;

Superworld (card style battles) rejected
Overload (TMNT and their kid selves) rejected
Classic Style (OT and Archie based) rejected

How hard can this be?

Why can't they get whoever they need from Mirage, Playmates and 4Kids together (in a room, online, wherever) for a few hours to just decide what direction they want to take?

I know it's more complicated than that, but a good chat between the 3 parties could at least outline what they all want and don't want rather than waste time coming up with ideas that others just say no to as soon as they hear about them.

And why can't Mirage make a pitch? We've had 2 from 4Kids (and Murphy says they're about to make a 3rd) and 1 from Playmates, surely Mirage can make a pitch about the direction they'd like the show to go!

As others have said why does it need a gimmick? An overall arc for the season yes (all seasons have had this to some extent), but it needn't be a gimmick.

And home is now 2008? Considering they left in 2005 I'd say they missed a few years ;) But I guess that's a good enough excuse for April and Casey to have Shadow when they return (I can dream!)

Raph's Girl

10-02-2007, 12:30 PM

Overload is called so cuz it would have been an overload of Chibi Turtle cuteness???

Perhaps the kids would think it was the adventures of the adult TMNT and their sons? That's what that poster kinda looks like.

A whole series where the TMNT and their younger selves team up??? Well it kinda worked with Wonder Woman....she teamed up with her younger selves (Wonder Tot and Wonder Girl) alot in the comics.

But the thing with this series....they'd have to explain how/why the older turtles don't remember these adventures they had when they were younger. It would be a rather confusing mess and a bit of a time paradox.

The other concept "Superworld" where the turtles team up with other heroes to fight villians sounds interesting. It could have been a Justice Force series. Sure it's in a game....but...still.

Gonna be interesting what the next concept thought of is.

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 01:01 PM

Wow, Playmates did somethign right! I'm shocked to hell and back.
If I see those Bugs Bunny Looking Chibby turtles any time again soon it will be a cold day in hell!:x
What the living hell is wrong with Mirage that Peter would accept this heap of crap and reject ARCHIE!!! Oh My things are in quite a sorry state.
I'd rather have Fast Forward any day than have my eyes raped by those buck toothed bandits.:dead:
Ok seriously why would it be so hard to do a short season based on that whole idea but instead of the past they get tossed into the old toon world and have to help out the 80's turtles. I mean are they stupid? People would go Ape **** for that.

Drtooth

10-02-2007, 01:02 PM

Overload is called so cuz it would have been an overload of Chibi Turtle cuteness???

Perhaps the kids would think it was the adventures of the adult TMNT and their sons? That's what that poster kinda looks like.

A whole series where the TMNT and their younger selves team up??? Well it kinda worked with Wonder Woman....she teamed up with her younger selves (Wonder Tot and Wonder Girl) alot in the comics.

The whole idea has
http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Muppet_Babies_shirt_link.jpg
written all over it.

I wouldn't mind episodes about the Turtles growing up (like what they've been doing) but the ultra cuteness they threw on them? GYAHHH..

I will say, I would like Superworld if they cut out the Card game thing, and put April and Casey back in the spotlight.

Coola Yagami

10-02-2007, 01:16 PM

Why do they insist on purposely killing off the TMNT franchise???? Who the hell thought that would sell???

The problem here lies with Fast Forward. It never should have had a new look, feel, an entirely new theme song all about it, and it never should have been called Fast Forward to begin with. It should have just been 'season 7' of the regular TMNT show and that's that.

Now their problem is, they just can't go back and call it 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' anymore. Thanks to Fast Forward, they find themselves forced to redrew the style, make a new theme, a new theme song, which is where all this Superworld, Overload and Alien Hunters crap is coming from. The sad truth is... we may never see the Turtles go back to regular 2k3 style again. They're gonna be forced to use some kind of new gimmick or something.

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 01:18 PM

we may never see the Turtles go back to regular 2k3 style again. They're gonna be forced to use some kind of new gimmick or something.
*ahem*.............
m. said...
Yup, the general consensus is that the show return to the current timeline. At least that's the general consensus... today. ;)

October 2, 2007 11:52 AM

Coola Yagami

10-02-2007, 01:21 PM

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 01:26 PM

*double AHEM!!!*

Overload takes them back to a normal timeline... BUT WITH TODDLER VERSIONS OF THEMSELVES!!!

Don't you understand what I mean? The way they painted themselves in a corner with Fast Forward, they see the new TMNT show forced to have some kind of gimmick. Bringing them back to their regular time won't mean the powers-that-be still won't make Turtles into Alien Hunters, Overloaders, Ghostbusters, Tomb Raiders, Poekmon Catchers or whatever the hell new thing they come up with.
I posted "Ahem* because the site wouldn't allow me to just post what Murphy says.
Instead of complaing to me or getting all angry.
Take those thoughts and post them in Murphys blog if you haven't yet.
We all know Peter Laird, 4kids, & playmates are watching.
Playmates is coming at them with wanting to do an old toon and archie story line because thats what allot of fans want because we're sending in those slips to them from the big foot toy offer and telling them thats what we want.
If Peter would ever get over hating his past so much maybe he could move on to the future of this series.
Also it has nothing to do with Fast Forward that was an idea that peter laird, 4kids, and playmates all agreed upon so not one person is to blame here if you want to point fingers your going to have a mighty big one. People really tend to forget that that season was planed as the next season after the ninja tribunal season.
It's 4kids wanting to make all of there shows the same, that's whay they wanted to do the entire collector card, capture crap trend thing.

Coola Yagami

10-02-2007, 01:29 PM

ah cool. i didn't know he had a blog. but... even if ten million ppl wanted the old toon characters back, would ol Pete swallow his pride and give em what they want?

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 01:30 PM

ah cool. i didn't know he had a blog. but... even if ten million ppl wanted the old toon characters back, would ol Pete swallow his pride and give em what they want?
lol It states thats where this is from in the first post.:P
But yeah, Archie, Image, & 80's Toon ideas to Peter seems to be like a razor blade in his cereal.:ohwell:

ZariusTwo

10-02-2007, 01:31 PM

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 01:33 PM

TMNT could simply undergo an "arc title", the same way Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh which all had different titles for their seasons reflecting the storyline, but the characters and timeline remained virtually unchanged.
Exactly Zarius, & it's not like we haven't had ths before through the entire 2k3 series.
EDIT: also just noticed something about the art in that image while the background is nice, it's still drawn in the bland underdetailed Fast Forward look. People say not to worry but shesh, with crap like this floating around it's a little hard not to.

Raph'N'Roll

10-02-2007, 01:45 PM

The last bit of faith I had in mirage is gone now, thanks to their approval of one of the lamest ideas in TMNT history.
Laird doesn't like the idea of using Archie material, but gives the green light for some ridiculous turtle babysitting series, WTF!
As someone mentioned, what happened to the idea of setting the new series in the movie universe?
That sounds like a perfectly good idea to me!
They could have Raph take up the Nightwatcher persona again, fill in the gaps between TMNT and the next movie, with hints of Shredders resurrection and so on.
The thoughts of what they'll come up with next are a bit unsettling.

Spitfire

10-02-2007, 02:02 PM

Jesus that is the most HORRID idea I've ever heard. Thank god, whose ever that idea was should be gunned down in a firing squad,

Baby turtle episodes are garbage, toddler turtle episodes are garbage, chibi TMNT are not cute their annoying and take away from the series in my opinion.

The last bit of faith I had in mirage is gone now, thanks to their approval of one of the lamest ideas in TMNT history.

It was shot down...

EDIT: Nevermind I get what your saying. Seriously I'm glad Playmates has some brains.

ToTheNines

10-02-2007, 02:10 PM

I agree with most of what has been said, but I have to ask: Why does the toy company have so much say in the series?

Spitfire

10-02-2007, 02:12 PM

I agree with most of what has been said, but I have to ask: Why does the toy company have so much say in the series?

I got the answer to that, because Laird signed a contract that said they did.

Yeah they used to just have exclusive license to make TV series toys, now they have the rights to decide how the series goes. So their going to make the series so they can sell toys.

Their not idiots, they know 70% of the toys are bought by us and they know baby turtles figures won't sell for crap.

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 02:15 PM

I agree with most of what has been said, but I have to ask: Why does the toy company have so much say in the series?
Murphy answered that one as well.
m. said...
The toy company funds 1/3 of the show, which is why they get a big say in things.

The central premise of Superworld had the turtles returning from the future and getting trapped (or partially trapped, I forget) in a multi-player game filled with super heroes and villains, hence the "super" of the title.

October 2, 2007 10:29 AM

Raph'N'Roll

10-02-2007, 02:20 PM

Spitfire666xXxXx: It was shot down...

Playmates shot the idea down, but Mirage had approved it!

Spitfire

10-02-2007, 02:25 PM

Playmates shot the idea down, but Mirage had approved it!

Yeah I know I edited it...

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 02:26 PM

Yeah I know I edited it...
Reading is your friend lol.
And erm yeah it makes one wonder if Peter is even paying attention to half the stuff crossing his desk, if he's on medication, does he maybe need medication. hoboy this idea just takes the cake seriously.:lol:

Raph'N'Roll

10-02-2007, 02:33 PM

Yeah it just doesn't make sense to approve an idea like that, I wonder what Laird was thinking, if he was thinking at all.
It really is the worst idea I've ever heard, well the soda stream comes pretty close lol.

Spitfire

10-02-2007, 02:35 PM

I have a gut feeling he reads this place, I wish he's just come on here and talk to us. I mean if he's going to read it he might as well explain what's up. I bet people would respect him more if he spoke up for himself.

I mean really maybe there's a reason behind why he approved such a retarded show concept. Even if it's bad I'd atleast like to know.

SimplerSimon

10-02-2007, 02:48 PM

Agree with the posted sentiments. Fun concept for a season opener or multi-parter, not an entire season (or more). Are we past the point where we can just get a normal TMNT show without some Power Rangers-esque subtitle? Or at least a concept that can last more than one season?

It also looks like the FF streamlined style is here to stay, but that's the least of this show's concerns right now.

Drtooth

10-02-2007, 02:56 PM

Brainstorm....

How about a series where the turtles all have over exaggerated French accents, wear yarmulkes instead of masks, and fight the forces of darkness with paper bag puppets? We could call it TMNT The Banana Octopus Squadron. YEAH! And then April can be replaced by an Australian Sumo wrestler with a toaster for a head. His name is Mr. Armpitman.

And it can take place inside the mouth of a shark.

Boy. I bet if I scribble this is red crayon on a stained napkin and toss it on Peter's desk, he'll approve that one. If anything else it makes more sense than Overload did.

Rooish

10-02-2007, 03:07 PM

Heh, guess I wasn't too negative after all. ;)

As much as I appreciate Playmates shooting down that horrid f**king idea, why does Playmates have to be part of all this? I mean, we've got some cool toys out of the new cartoon and the new movie, but next time Mirage signs some contract, why don't they just do it with 4Kids? Maybe I sound really naïve here, but it would be one fewer company putting its opinion into the TMNT solely for a profit. Why can't just 4Kids (and WB, I suppose) do that? Do we really need toys? (I love the action figures, I just think Playmates sucks. Except in this particular situation, where they overruled a really ridiculous idea. God how I don't want to hear any more grown men doing the voices of little kids.)

Maybe 4Kids and WB would come up with "kiddie" ideas, but at least it wouldn't be a blatant gimmick meant to sell toys. It would just be meant to sell the series. :roll:

I don't know what Peter Laird was thinking. I mean, Mirage Volume 4 has its flaws, but at least there were no mini Turtles. Maybe one or two episodes of the "Overload" idea would be fun. But the young Turtles get younger and more annoying every time (I liked them quite a lot more in "Tales of Leo" than in "Fathers and Sons.")

Okay, I don't have a point. I hope they come up with some good ideas. God I miss Eastman.

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 03:10 PM

Ecto Jedi

10-02-2007, 03:24 PM

Ugh. I think it's time to throw in the towel, boys. We'll never -- ever -- be getting another quality TMNT show. Ever.

CudleyCowlick

10-02-2007, 03:27 PM

I'll admit it... I'll watch any TMNT cartoon they put on the air. It doesn't mean I'll like it. It just means I'll watch it because I'm thoroughly addicted.

But I am grateful that this got shot down. I could have stood, possibly even enjoyed, a single episode or even a 2-parter. I'm not against the turtle tots. But kee-rist! A whole season of that would have had my eyeballs glazing over and wishing they had used Drtooth's idea instead.

Let's just keep 2k3 continuity... bring them back home at last and focus on brand new stories with occasional nods to their comic book roots. What is so guldurned difficult about that?

Fledermaus

10-02-2007, 03:32 PM

Ugh. I think it's time to throw in the towel, boys. We'll never -- ever -- be getting another quality TMNT show. Ever.

We'll have to wait for the generation of idiots running things now (who by now are probably sick of TMNT and desperately want to kill it off) to die off or retire. TMNT will truly have to "die" as a franchise in my opinion before it really comes back. In the meantime, "With great power comes great responsibility..." :|

The Terror of Death

10-02-2007, 03:38 PM

Whats Wrong With Them?

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 03:41 PM

Whats Wrong With Them?
Who????:???:

Janus Prospero

10-02-2007, 03:52 PM

Why is it that the turtles lost their irises and pupils as they got older? Did their eyes sink deeper into their skulls causing them to be overshadowed by their bandanas?

The concept itself doesn't bother me, but I have to reiterate what others have said in that I can't see it being the driving force behind an entire season.

I would like to explore the pre-teen turtles some more though. I can just imagine Raph picking on Don and Mike and with Leo being a little tattle-tale.

Jester

10-02-2007, 04:24 PM

Why cant we go back to the good ole' 2k3 style!?

Splinter's Iroonna

10-02-2007, 04:52 PM

In defense of Peter Laird (not that he needs me to put in my 2 cents), Mr. M.'s post did say it was approved WITH some changes (that didn't appear in that pitch quote). So it could have probably worked (at least short-term).

What bugs me is NOT the fact that the toy company has so much say, as much as their "reasoning"-- once again they think kids=brain-dead.

Anyway, I'm with Jester on going back to the old 2K3 style.

ToTheNines

10-02-2007, 04:56 PM

Why cant we go back to the good ole' 2k3 style!?

Word up brah!!

Why is it that the turtles lost their irises and pupils as they got older? Did their eyes sink deeper into their skulls causing them to be overshadowed by their bandanas?

Because baby turtles would look mega creepy with out pupils.

Roseangelo

10-02-2007, 05:39 PM

I am forced to laugh at the horridness of this situation just because I cling to hope that eventually all of these royal mess-ups will force Mirage/Peter to see the light and fix everything that's broken. Which is everything.

God I miss Eastman.

Word.

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 05:41 PM

Word.
Syllable.:anime:

ToTheNines

10-02-2007, 05:45 PM

Syllable.:anime:

Letter... :D

Jon

10-02-2007, 05:48 PM

Letter... :D

A. B. C.

Okay, so that was Letters, but close enough. :lol:

Fledermaus

10-02-2007, 06:04 PM

Because baby turtles would look mega creepy with out pupils.

http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/votd/votd_shot1l.jpg

ToTheNines

10-02-2007, 06:22 PM

^^:lol: Nice

Didn't "they" say that the next season was going to similar to the movie? And the movie is very similar to 2k3... so I was hoping for the best.

Splinter's Iroonna

10-02-2007, 06:28 PM

ROFL!! That's the movie I was thinking of when I read that post!

*standing ovation*

Roseangelo

10-02-2007, 06:28 PM

Didn't "they" say that the next season was going to similar to the movie? And the movie is very similar to 2k3... so I was hoping for the best.

The only comment that was made along these lines from any sort of in-the-know source was here (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=513244&postcount=16).

From all I hear the retooling will probably make the show more along the lines of the movie.

This was right when FF got canceled, so it obviously didn't happen like this because 4Kids pitched the Superworld series instead.

Sage Ninja

10-02-2007, 06:46 PM

I give up!!! WTF :evil:

ToTheNines

10-02-2007, 06:52 PM

Sage Ninja

10-02-2007, 06:58 PM

if they want a story line why don't they go with something that they have already established in the 2k3 continuity instead of pulling something out of their ass?

Why not have the turtles (if they absolutlely have to be stuck some where) get stranded in the battle nexus out skirts and have to go through diffent deminsions to find their way back to their deminsion and encounter some old characters and enemies and some new ones. They can be creative with it if they want.

MrPliggins

10-02-2007, 07:00 PM

The thing that's tough about this is that all 3 parties have different goals in mind. 4kids wants ratings....Playmates wants toy sales...while Mirage ultimately just wants something as close as possible to 2k3. I bet this is very frustrating for all parties involved.

As for the overload idea, I love most of the toddler turtles episodes of 2k3, but they're best left at one or two episodes per season.

Whatever they do, I hope they keep continuity.

ToTheNines

10-02-2007, 07:01 PM

Why not have the turtles (if they absolutlely have to be stuck some where) get stranded in the battle nexus out skirts and have to go through diffent deminsions to find their way back to their deminsion and encounter some old characters and enemies and some new ones. They can be creative with it if they want.

I'm just craving some night time New York roof top hopping and ninja assassin ass kicking.

Roseangelo

10-02-2007, 07:01 PM

Well, Superworld was a ****ing horrid idea.
Overload was bad, could have been decent, probably a stepdown from FF
I really wouldn't want the OT/Archie based thing unless it was a totally different cartoon, but since we already have OT and Archie, just plain continuing the 2k3 series (which has no real ending as of yet) seem like the best way

See, you could easily continue the 2K3 series we know while successfully integrating elements from both the OT and Archie comics. It wouldn't have to be something completely on its own. If you read the comments on Murphy's blog, the person posting as slash has some really good ideas on how it could work while staying true to 2K3.

ToTheNines

10-02-2007, 07:05 PM

See, you could easily continue the 2K3 series we know while successfully integrating elements from both the OT and Archie comics. It wouldn't have to be something completely on its own. If you read the comments on Murphy's blog, the person posting as slash has some really good ideas on how it could work while staying true to 2K3.

That's definantly our Slash, and yep those are good ideas. So I take back what I said before.

Sage Ninja

10-02-2007, 07:06 PM

I'm just craving some night time New York roof top hopping and ninja assassin ass kicking.

except that the general aim here seems that they get stranded some where out landish, or something outlandish from a diffrent area follows them. :roll:

gobo

10-02-2007, 07:51 PM

Geez... I don't think the idea was as bad as everyone is making it sound. But, I agree that gimmicks are for episodes, not entire seasons (so, I edited the sentiment a little... sue me). Compared to 'Superworld' and 'Fast Forward', this latest concept sounds enjoyable. Of course, it's no longer an option, which is fine by me. I might not have found it horrendous, but it certainly wasn't even close to optimal.

As long as the show doesn't become a live-action mockery like 'The Next Mutation' or a "let's explore the powers of imagination" Turtle Babies show like was pitched before they decided on 'Fast Forward', then I'll be relieved. Since there isn't a lot of selection in new American action cartoons these days, they'd have to screw up big (like what I mentioned in the previous sentence) to lose my support.

From the latest explanation of 'Superworld', I see that we were given a very narrow generalization of it before. Was it actually even supposed to be a card-game, or was that just an outsider's understanding of it?
except that the general aim here seems that they get stranded some where out landish
Then, they almost get off the island, but Mikey screws it all up. :goof:

Raph's Girl

10-02-2007, 08:12 PM

As I said on Murphy's blog integrating the Archie comics into a show wouldn't be that hard. Slash has the right ideas. I'd LOVE to see Ninjara and the Mutanimals on screen.

If they're so keen on time travel well there's always the Future Turtles (not the FF ones but the Archie ones). Don's got his Time Slip Generator Stargate thingy. There's lots of possibilities with that.

Fledermaus

10-02-2007, 08:13 PM

I'm just craving some night time New York roof top hopping and ninja assassin ass kicking.

Hear hear! :x

Jester

10-02-2007, 08:27 PM

Fledermaus

10-02-2007, 08:33 PM

I recomend a "Tales of the TMNT" series. You could tie up the 2k3 and even >> universes and do new interesting and fun ne shots. You revisit the SaiNW universe, maybe even do a "What if the 2k3 TMNT met the 90's TMNT?"

Somehow I feel we've had this discussion before... :) It was like, what if you had a TMNT series that was like an animated version of tales -- with different authors and animation studios for various episodes, similar to having the freelance writers/artists coming to work on Tales of the TMNT comic. It would be completely unorthodox, but then, to me anyways, it would seem more fitting to TMNT.

I know, not gonna happen unless we entertainment industry undergoes a violent revolution. :roll:

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 08:33 PM

I recomend a "Tales of the TMNT" series. You could tie up the 2k3 and even >> universes and do new interesting and fun ne shots. You revisit the SaiNW universe, maybe even do a "What if the 2k3 TMNT met the 90's TMNT?"
That'd be fine by me I even suggested the old toon tmnt meet new tmnt story which btw was a story mirage was going to do but never did.
Peter should go for that one since he created it.:lol:

CyberCubed

10-02-2007, 08:35 PM

Murphy's blog exploded with 48 comments to this story, I really do hope with everyone asking that he does in fact tell Peter Laird to look at the comments there.

When it gets right down to it, how many options does Peter have left now for TMNT on TV? If a return to 2k3 isn't going to happen without some gimmick involved, introducing some Archie characters would do the trick. I can totally understand why he doesn't want the show to become mutant of the week, but a handful of characters would be adequate.

VaughnMichael

10-02-2007, 08:42 PM

Dorkfish

10-02-2007, 09:13 PM

Overload sounds like some crazy fanfic....a lot like every episode of Fast Forward (which I rather liked for its quirkiness). I definitely wouldn't mind a mini OAV of it. *cough* ...but then, I have the toddler turtles figures standing right in front of me, ... They are adorable! XD

Superworld was a card battle based series?! WHY?! That's the most horrible thing I've every heard of! Chibi turtles doesn't even compare to the horror of Yu-gi-Turtles...imo The Fast Forward episode that was a Pokémon parody was painful enough.

What happened to what I heard about them branching off from the new movie and its visual style? That could possibly be refreshing.

Whatever they do, I hope they do keep true to explaining how they get home from the future. I'd also love see more about the Dark Turtles and how they end up. (I'm probably dreaming on this) I rather liked them.

Scandia

10-02-2007, 10:50 PM

As much as I adore the Toddler Turtles and the episodes/comics they are in...

A whole season of them is NOT a good idea.

A two-part episode like that is fine.

Some flashback episodes featuring them is great.

The Overload concept is a BAD idea.

Why oh why can't they continue like they did with the first 5 seasons, weaving in Mirage Comics and brand new elements so well? Adding in Archie elements would have worked fantastically too.

I dunno what is worse, if the card gimmick one or the Overload one.

If they make a two-part episode concluding the series after the Turtles return to regular time, I'll be content with that. Hey, I would have been satisfied with ending things at the end of the fifth season.

Overall, I am glad it was shot down.

And how hard could it be to adapt more Mirage and Tales Vol. 2 issues?

Mutated Leo

10-02-2007, 10:55 PM

Wow... WTH... I cant imagine why this would make it past rough idea stage. Mirage approving this? Serial? I'm going to have a drink or two...

Ninjinister

10-02-2007, 11:09 PM

And home is now 2008? Considering they left in 2005 I'd say they missed a few years ;) But I guess that's a good enough excuse for April and Casey to have Shadow when they return (I can dream!)

You're not the only one, my friend. I've been lobbying Mirage and 4Kids to have Shadow in some capacity since the series began.

Janus Prospero

10-03-2007, 02:12 AM

Because baby turtles would look mega creepy with out pupils.

Nines...that is some of the scariest **** I have ever seen! Sewers of the Damned!

syd

10-03-2007, 02:44 AM

ohhhh my...see the li'l raph dude!!he's such a cutetyyy LOLLLL!
whatever the FF or something,i have to say i like this idea illogically.=X
i mean i just don't like the future attires...*bubble*

would be...wut?confusing?Bx
well u don't kno that,it's up to kids.

Stephen

10-03-2007, 06:49 AM

The Fast Forward episode that was a Pokémon parody was painful enough.

Which episode was that?

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 07:05 AM

Which episode was that?
The Cosmic Completist

sdp

10-03-2007, 08:37 AM

These new concepts sound horrible, anyone wishing FF S2 hadn't been canceled?
FF had gotten better at the end of the season and the second season sounded a lot more interesting.

Classic Style (OT and Archie based) rejected

When was this rejected?

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 08:44 AM

These new concepts sound horrible, anyone wishing FF S2 hadn't been canceled?
FF had gotten better at the end of the season and the second season sounded a lot more interesting.

When was this rejected?
I'm prolly the only one who wishes FF season 2 went on.:ohwell:
And it went on recently Peter Laird said no to it.

DrSpengler

10-03-2007, 08:49 AM

I agree that FF was definately improving. When first introduced, I thought they completeiy wasted the potential of the Dark Turtles, but they gradually became better characters right as the show got the axe. I'd kind of like to see more of them, just, you know, written better.

Though to be honest, I only really wanted S2 to go ahead so I could get that Space Usagi episode, so perhaps I'm not the best judge.

odupianist

10-03-2007, 08:58 AM

I recomend a "Tales of the TMNT" series. You could tie up the 2k3 and even >> universes and do new interesting and fun ne shots. You revisit the SaiNW universe, maybe even do a "What if the 2k3 TMNT met the 90's TMNT?"

My thoughts exactly. This is how they could revive the series, even though new comers might be a bit confused, but maybe not if they have one shot episodes (or maybe a two parter here and there).

And as much as some of us complained about it, I think we'd rather have FF continue than some of the new stuff they're shovelling. Personally, I think the Banana Octopus Squadron could work ;) lol.

EDIT: I just thought of something... the "Superworld" idea sounds a bit like Stump Asteriod to me, any one else think so?

Rooish

10-03-2007, 09:37 AM

Yeah, I thought Fast Forward was getting a lot better, too. I even thought 2k3 started out kind of badly (except in animation) and then got waaaaay better. It's a shame; if they have to keep the show really light-hearted and sci-fi, I'd rather they keep it in Fast Forward instead of pulling out another random idea. Also, I hate when the Turtles get kid sidekicks, whether it's Cody or Zack or kid versions of themselves. Please ... no more children. Unless it's a cute flashback. Although Angel wasn't that bad, especially in "Prodigal Son."

I hope she wasn't too young in that episode because she was kinda hot ...

Drtooth

10-03-2007, 09:37 AM

I'm prolly the only one who wishes FF season 2 went on.:ohwell:
And it went on recently Peter Laird said no to it.

Compaired to this other crap, even if FF continued with the same crummy plotlines and obvious gaggery the 4th episode on had, I'd rather see that again.

Could you imagine baby Mikey? Even whinier and more immature than FF Mikey? Why must these writers agonzie me by putting my favorite turtle to a slow, annoying death?

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 10:04 AM

Compaired to this other crap, even if FF continued with the same crummy plotlines and obvious gaggery the 4th episode on had, I'd rather see that again.

Could you imagine baby Mikey? Even whinier and more immature than FF Mikey? Why must these writers agonzie me by putting my favorite turtle to a slow, annoying death?
I guess I'm lucky hen Michaelangelo has always been my least favorite turtle.

Toonami Tom

10-03-2007, 10:33 AM

I'm very glad Playmates shot this awful idea down.

All of this just shows that Peter Laird and Mirage no longer know what the fans want. Maybe it's mid-life crisis for Peter or something.:lol: Sorry if that was harsh, but really..... toddler turtles meet the TMNT for a whole season?! That's nuts! I would have seriously stopped watching the show if that would have happened.

The TMNT 2007 movie was great. Why can't they make the 2008 season similar to that?

Oh and Superworld?! They were actually considering having the TMNT use a card game to fight?! Oh my gosh!:o:x:evil::roll:

DrSpengler

10-03-2007, 11:16 AM

The details Murphy just posted for the Playmates pitch of "Ultimate TMNT" sounded like it could've been cool.

...at least, cooler than Turtle Babies, anyway.

TheShowstoppa

10-03-2007, 12:00 PM

I'm not going to lie. I think all of these ideas are poorly pathetic. I'm eager to see a new show, or at least a continuation, but if it is going to suck, I don't want anything at all. Ugh.

Fledermaus

10-03-2007, 01:32 PM

The details Murphy just posted for the Playmates pitch of "Ultimate TMNT" sounded like it could've been cool.

...at least, cooler than Turtle Babies, anyway.

Since we're on the topic of failed TMNT cartoon pitches, I'll share with you what little I can with regards to Playmates Toys' recent pitch for the 2008 toon season, working title "Ultimate TMNT."

Ultimate was an attempt "to bring the TV and CGI movie universes together" (pitch materials quote), albeit with a creative focus on and tweaking of the original cartoon series, upping the humor level of the current series while still trying to walk the grungy streets of the original comic and recent movie.

Many past characters from various universes make their appearance. Most notable amongst the TMNT's regular allies are Usagi Yojimbo (shown here, and © Stan Sakai), Tattoo, Mondo Gecko and Hamato Yoshi/Splinter (toon origin version). Amongst the villains are Shredder (natch), Ruin (formerly Mutagen Man), Rat King, Slash and, um, Wingnut and Screwloose.

"For the first time ever... the turtles will be drawn and written as real teenagers. Their personalities and relationships will still be developing, their abilities and roles will still be growing and their training will be more intense than ever."

And so it goes... into the dustbin of TMNT business history.

Wow. And this.... was scrapped. Unbelievable.

CyberCubed

10-03-2007, 01:37 PM

Fledermaus

10-03-2007, 01:38 PM

Seemed more like another relaunch to me. What I liked was the proposed TONE and angle of the new show (from what I can make out from Murphy's blog.)

Drtooth

10-03-2007, 01:45 PM

Since we're on the topic of failed TMNT cartoon pitches, I'll share with you what little I can with regards to Playmates Toys' recent pitch for the 2008 toon season, working title "Ultimate TMNT."

Ultimate was an attempt "to bring the TV and CGI movie universes together" (pitch materials quote), albeit with a creative focus on and tweaking of the original cartoon series, upping the humor level of the current series while still trying to walk the grungy streets of the original comic and recent movie.

Many past characters from various universes make their appearance. Most notable amongst the TMNT's regular allies are Usagi Yojimbo (shown here, and © Stan Sakai), Tattoo, Mondo Gecko and Hamato Yoshi/Splinter (toon origin version). Amongst the villains are Shredder (natch), Ruin (formerly Mutagen Man), Rat King, Slash and, um, Wingnut and Screwloose.

"For the first time ever... the turtles will be drawn and written as real teenagers. Their personalities and relationships will still be developing, their abilities and roles will still be growing and their training will be more intense than ever."

And so it goes... into the dustbin of TMNT business history.

Now, uh... how they can't find a way to have fixed this up so it would have been "Laird approved?" And he approved the *&^%$ baby Turtles thing. Yeah.

LAdies and Gentlemen....
I don't friggin' give a crap anymore. Whatever the hell they want to do, that will ultimately suck completely is fine by me. I'm friggin' not even going to bother. The animation industry is in friggin ruins now, so whatever happens to the Turtles is just the garbage icing on the crap cake.

BubblyShell22

10-03-2007, 02:14 PM

Okay, while I love the toddler Turtles in the 2003 eps, I don't think I could handle a whole season of them, especially how they meet the grown-up Turtles. These ideas are very pathetic. Just go back to 2003 and continue on from Ninja Tribunal and FF. It's not that hard.

ZariusTwo

10-03-2007, 02:14 PM

odupianist

10-03-2007, 02:14 PM

Why the old toon splinter idea? And I agree drtooth, the animation these days sucks compared to our youth. people rely on too much computer animation (some is alright, but not the whole show) instead of pure talent. oh well...

EDIT: maybe 4kids should sell their 1/3 (on the assumption that PM has 1/3, Mirage has a 1/3 and 4kids has a 1/3) to Kevin Eastman, then they can revamp the TMNT and every station will want it :D

DrSpengler

10-03-2007, 02:54 PM

There were things about the Playmates pitch I didn't like. The "true teenagers" bit being one of them, the other being an entire continuity reboot coupled with Splinter having the Old Toon origin. I think if Laird wanted he could have tweeked enough of their ideas to fit the Archie/Old Toon characters into the existing 2k3 universe without much pain.

I mean, at the end of the day, Playmates really only wants to do that so they can sell the toys of those characters. If it's a new universe or part of a continuous one, I don't think they'd care so much.

I mean, we've aleady got Leatherhead (who turned good in Archie), the Rat King (as enigmatic as ever) and the Turtlebot who could be rebuilt as a Metalhead-like character (though not called Metalhead since the Mirage Metalhead has already been introduced in the 2k3 universe). Heck, one of the Dark Turtles, preferrably Dark Leo, could take on the identity of Slash if the other three wound up dead or something. I'd buy that for a dollar.

There are lots of clever and interesting ways to reinroduce and reinvision those characters. If Laird would just get off his "not my vision" high horse for five seconds maybe he'd realize that.

ToTheNines

10-03-2007, 02:58 PM

Yea that "first time as teenagers" thing was bull ****, makes me think they have some wild idea about how teenagers act today. But other than that, it seemed great to me. Meh, we have about 200 OT episodes, over 100 NT episodes, lots of good comics, 3 good movies... we don't need a good TMNT series right?:P

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 03:00 PM

To be fair I see why Laird rejected Playmates idea.

They wanted to bring Shredder back (again) and have old toon Splinter there? Uh, unless they were doing some parallel dimension storyline, how would they explain a Hamato Yoshi Splinter and the current 2k3 Splinter together, especially since Hamato Yoshi was killed in the current cartoon?

And why Mutagen Man? He was only in 1 episode of the old show and is far from a popular character. Random.
He could take that idea and implement it all into the 2k3 world nothing is concrete.
And I'm sure they went with Mutagen man A. because he's wicked cool looking and B. because Peter Laird created him. ;)
And I'm sure those where just examples. The idea is brilliant to have an ultimate tmnt he shouldn't have been so quick to turn it down because he could have made it work unless he really has no faith in himself.
There are several ways of looking at this. If Laird wanted to, he could have accepted Playmates ideas, but "tweeked" it so Splinter wouldnt be Hamato, and then move forward from there, because everything else would have worked. New Shredder? Bring it on, we've had two other Shredders since Ch'rell was exiled. Rat King? He's still around in the current series

The fact he wont edit the idea and even attempt a version that applies to what he wants the show to be proves he doesnt want to acknowledge the success and legacy of the ARCHIE title. And it's sickening. THIS is why "Forever War" has been delayed by years, and now, when the franchise has characters that Playmates KNOW can bring in the kind of success the toyline of the original series had, he wont' do it because he didnt have s*it to do with the success of the Mutanimals, or anything else spun out of that company.
Wow you Zarius seem like a changed man. I have to say I agree but he did create allot of the characters or had a hand in helping design them at least.
It bother me allot also that he would just toss out characters he doesnt like when the opertunity is given to him to change them and make them into characters he does like.
I really do hope what all of us are saying hits him upside the head like tripple h's sledge hammer.
There are lots of clever and interesting ways to reinroduce and reinvision those characters. If Laird would just get off his "not my vision" high horse for five seconds maybe he'd realize that.
EXACTLYYY!!!! This is the stuff people need to be posting in Murphys Blog because Peter is seeing it.

ZariusTwo

10-03-2007, 03:06 PM

Wow you Zarius seem like a changed man. I have to say I agree but he did create allot of the characters or had a hand in helping design them at least.
It bother me allot also that he would just toss out characters he doesnt like when the opertunity is given to him to change them and make them into characters he does like.

Oh I'll defend Pete when it comes to things that don't deserve drama, like the hostility to Volume Four and April the living crayon drawing, because THIS is where the criticisms are valid and make some form of sense. Laird is holding on too much to what he's made a success to try and change so the franchise can be more noticable.

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 03:08 PM

Oh I'll defend Pete when it comes to things that don't deserve drama, like the hostility to Volume Four and April the living crayon drawing, because THIS is where the criticisms are valid and make some form of sense. Laird is holding on too much to what he's made a success to try and change so the franchise can be more noticable.
And he's screwing things up by being this way.
Like I said if he doesn't like it theres nothing stoping him from changing these characters and their stories besides himself.

DrSpengler

10-03-2007, 03:12 PM

EXACTLYYY!!!! This is the stuff people need to be posting in Murphys Blog because Peter is seeing it.

I hope Murphy does manage to convince Laird to look at the comments or at least reevaluate his "No Archie characters ever" decree. However, if his ego is anything even remotely close to how it was described in that recent Eastman interview, I wouldn't get my hopes up. :|

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 03:14 PM

I hope Murphy does manage to convince Laird to look at the comments or at least reevaluate his "No Archie characters ever" decree. However, if his ego is anything even remotely close to how it was described in that recent Eastman interview, I wouldn't get my hopes up. :|
Well you have to remember what Eastman said to do about that Ego of his.;)

DrSpengler

10-03-2007, 03:16 PM

Well you have to remember what Eastman said to do about that Ego of his.;)

Heh, yeah. Just make it all sound like it was Laird's idea from the beginning and that he's a genius and I'm sure he'd be all over the concept. That's how Kevin Munroe got us the CG movie, after all. ;)

Drtooth

10-03-2007, 03:26 PM

There are several ways of looking at this. If Laird wanted to, he could have accepted Playmates ideas, but "tweeked" it so Splinter wouldnt be Hamato, and then move forward from there, because everything else would have worked. New Shredder? Bring it on, we've had two other Shredders since Ch'rell was exiled. Rat King? He's still around in the current series

The fact he wont edit the idea and even attempt a version that applies to what he wants the show to be proves he doesnt want to acknowledge the success and legacy of the ARCHIE title. And it's sickening. THIS is why "Forever War" has been delayed by years, and now, when the franchise has characters that Playmates KNOW can bring in the kind of success the toyline of the original series had, he wont' do it because he didnt have s*it to do with the success of the Mutanimals, or anything else spun out of that company.

Words have been taken out of my mouth.

He's becoming as much of an over protective jerk destroying his own creation as George Lucas has. I can respect caring for something you created, but.... wow...just wow.

I can see in like 5 years TMNT (1990) the special edition will come out where Shredder attacks Leonardo first, the characters are replaced by floating, inconsistant with the rest of the film CGI, and then the O'neil farm would have been reinvisioned as a big bustling farm the way he always wanted (for a week).

DrSpengler

10-03-2007, 03:31 PM

Well, Lucas has at least gotten better about it.

He released the unaltered trilogy on DVD and he has absolutely no problem with expanded universe fiction and merchandise. I mean, I was at K-Mart the other day and saw toys of Mara Jade and other characters he had no hand in creating.

And even the prequel trilogy had stuff taken from Expanded Universe fiction, like vehicles and aliens from the freakin Droids cartoon. Hell, Lucas even let a toy of Holiday Special Boba Fett get released, and he is not shy about expressing his eternal loathing for the Holiday Special.

Meanwhile Laird will let nothing see the light of day unless it's part of "his vision" and can only be coaxt into doing so by being convinced he thought it up in the first place (essentially, stealing other people's ideas).

When it comes to Lucas and Laird, I think Lucas is MUCH more diplomatic.

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 03:35 PM

Like I said before go over to Murphys Blog. http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/
Post your comments because he's showing them to Laird but please don't bash Laird in your comments it's not going to help us at all with trying to get things the way we all want to see them or er I mean the way Laird wants to see them. lol
Seriously though Zarius you should go over there and make your voice heard.
It's time to Speak up and Murphy is giving us that opportunity.

DrSpengler

10-03-2007, 03:38 PM

I've posted my thoughts there already and while I'm not 100% positive toward Laird in them, I don't think I'm being overly harsh. At least, not nearly as negative as I'm being in this thread.

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 03:46 PM

I've posted my thoughts there already and while I'm not 100% positive toward Laird in them, I don't think I'm being overly harsh. At least, not nearly as negative as I'm being in this thread.
Heh oh well I'd hope Murphy would edit them out anyways only showing laird the points we're trying to make.
I think this series may actully go the direction it needs to with us the fans and the help of Murphy talking to Peter.
I know he's been busting his hump working on things for the turtles anniversary but to me doing a show that's Ultimate tmnt would be the best anniversary present ever.

Jester

10-03-2007, 04:08 PM

One wonders if the idea about essentially a "Tales" toon has been posted. *heads over to Murph's blog*

New Blog!! TMNT is moving to the CW.

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 04:13 PM

One wonders if the idea about essentially a "Tales" toon has been posted. *heads over to Murph's blog*
Yeah it has even Slash said they should just call the next season Tales of tMNT which I agree would be a great title.
They could do just about anything if they went the way tales volume 2 is going.

Jester

10-03-2007, 04:19 PM

Yeah, I read Slash's posts. He says all I wanted to say...so i won't. :P

Mr. Stay Puft

10-03-2007, 04:57 PM

Ultimate TMNT sounds like a good idea, minus the continuity reboot. Bring in "new" character (new to 2k3 anyway), but keep the origins for Splinter and the turtles the same.

Janus Prospero

10-03-2007, 05:56 PM

Yeah, I read Slash's posts. He says all I wanted to say...so i won't. :P

Yes, slash has made many a funny and well informed post. I especially loved the part about the martial arts artist named East-Man whom was mutated after being bitten by a radioactive "East." :lol:

Also, isn't it interesting that the Playmates pitch so closely mirrors some of the ideas that have been bouncing around here as well as Murphy's blog the past couple weeks or so? It's as if they're spying on us...good. ;)

Mandi-chan

10-03-2007, 06:07 PM

At this stage in the game...I could care less what they did with the TMNT as a cartoon on tv.

To me, the 2003 series ended with Season 5 (The Lost Season).

Fast Forward was a seperate show, and was promoted as such, so I can easily ignore it and anything like it that rears its ugly head in the near future.

I honestly hope they don't revisit the 2003 series, because I don't think they could do it justice anymore.

Let the 2007 movie-verse (assuming we get sequels) handle the 2003 toon vibe...that movie was based heavily upon it anyway.

If they decided to start from scratch and do a whole new cartoon, then I wouldn't mind seeing an Archie based toon (I loved the Archie comic...yet am dissatisfied with the cartoon it was based off of...don't ask me why.)

I would also love to see a toon more along the lines of the Mirage comics...something that could air on Adult Swim or something...

But if they're gonna keep doing these lame spin-offs to the 2003 series...then I ain't tuning in and wasting my time.

Scandia

10-03-2007, 06:20 PM

ToTheNines

10-03-2007, 06:22 PM

If they are spying on us indeed, I hope they read this:

- I DO want a continuation of 2k3. Send them back to the present time. Make stories based on Tales Volume 2, as well as other feasible remaining Mirage stories. Feel free to add Archie based stories also- but keep Splinter's origins intact.

How about your idea, plus some originality. I'm personally a fan of the comic adaptions, but most of the remaining ones are un-adaptable because A. it's impossible story wise or B. they suck.

ZariusTwo

10-03-2007, 06:47 PM

How about your idea, plus some originality. I'm personally a fan of the comic adaptions, but most of the remaining ones are un-adaptable because A. it's impossible story wise or B. they suck.

Thankyou.

Owned.

Raph's Girl

10-03-2007, 07:08 PM

This is nutty!!

TMNT's moving over to the CW Network!!! *blinks*

As for the Ultimate TMNT. Um... Marvel's Ultimate Universe anyone?? Reboot city.... ..

Considering that Warner Bros wanted TMNT in 2001 maybe they could do with their concept? Altho I hated the artwork and that Casey and April were gonna be teenagers. :/

ToTheNines

10-03-2007, 07:11 PM

Casey and April were gonna be teenagers. :/

CJ looked like a freakin girly girl... That would piss my off... epicly! (is that a word?)

Roseangelo

10-03-2007, 07:18 PM

Considering that Warner Bros wanted TMNT in 2001 maybe they could do with their concept? Altho I hated the artwork and that Casey and April were gonna be teenagers. :/

Please read more carefully before making stupid comments. 4Kids is taking over WB's Saturday morning block. TMNT IS NOT CHANGING HANDS. At most the channel you turn to will change, but 4Kids still owns Fox's Saturday morning block, so it's possible nothing changes.

Scandia

10-03-2007, 07:40 PM

To me, it seems like an obvious idea, or at least an intuitive one, to just return the Turtles to their regular time and continue the 2k3 cartoon as if FF had been just an extra-long time travel arc. Like a special set of episodes- maybe closest to the "European Vacation" episodes of the OT. That they should just return to the regular adventures of the Turtles with the previous animation style and just put in a blend of Mirage comics stories (Tales volume 2 and the sort) plus some original ones. It worked out GREAT for the first 5 seasons. You could even consider FF to be like that- after all they brought in the Wild West COW Boys from two Tales Volume 2 stories, as well as the Planet Racers. So why oh why do they want to reinvent the wheel? Concentrate of creating and incorporating good stories like you did for these past 6 seasons- do not try to put in a new gimmick that will NOT work. If 2k3 has been working so well, why are you throwing in a stupid gimmick?

Roseangelo

10-03-2007, 07:48 PM

You could even consider FF to be like that- after all they brought in the Wild West COW Boys from two Tales Volume 2 stories, as well as the Planet Racers.

The COW Boys do not originate in Tales Vol. 2, nor does Planet Racers originate in anything TMNT-related.

As much as I would like for it to happen, too, returning to what was before Fast Forward just isn't going to happen. The reason they made that change in the first place is because ratings were slipping. Fast Forward was an obviously bad fix to that, but it's not enough reason to go back to what was. And if you've read Murphy's additional comments to his posts, you'll realize that it's just not going to happen. The next season has to be something new, we just have to hope that it's not crappy.

Ecto Jedi

10-03-2007, 07:51 PM

CJ looked like a freakin girly girl... That would piss my off... epicly! (is that a word?)

Epically, no?

gobo

10-03-2007, 08:01 PM

Roseangelo

10-03-2007, 08:04 PM

I'll repeat what I said at Murphy's blog:

The Playmates pitch isn't perfect. I also wouldn't go back to Splinter being Hamato Yoshi. And I don't think it intends to be a show that completely forgets and ignores everything that has happened in the last five years.

But you know what it is that NONE of these other pitches are? It's a show about Ninja Turtles. Fast Forward and what would have been Superworld and Overload are all ideas that just happen to feature Ninja Turtles - You could easily do the same exact show with generic characters replacing the Ts.

I think you can easily do something along the lines of Ultimate TMNT that continues on and builds on the existing world of the 4Kids series.

I can understand gimmick-driven 4Kids forgetting that this is supposed to actually be about Ninja Turtles, but I can't even comprehend why Mirage is forgetting this. I give Playmates a lot of credit for pitching what they did, because they probably did so knowing there was little to no chance of it getting approved.

Dragon Turtle

10-03-2007, 08:21 PM

The only viable, logical direction would be to base a new show off the TMNT movie, but that would make to much sense.:ohwell:

ZariusTwo

10-03-2007, 08:23 PM

What's with the random praise of the Ultimate TMNT pitch? That was pure, unimaginative tripe for the nostalgics

So I guess you must have been PISSED when Mattel brought He-Man back for a while...

The original TMNT, regardless of what we think, know, or otherwise, is the definitive version to the mainstream public and would lead to a much wider toyline and much more profitable audience ratings

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 08:36 PM

What's with the random praise of the Ultimate TMNT pitch? That was pure, unimaginative tripe for the nostalgics. If any of the rejected pitches sickened me, that would be it. Superworld would bore me to tears (especially if it was in fact intended to have the card game gimmick). Toddler Turtle Team-up would have worked for about 4 eps. Ultimate TMNT... I thought we wanted the show to have dignity. T^hat idea needed the most development of the three. I mean, seriously. Mutagen Man?? WTF?! Overgrown Garbage Pail Kid = huge blow to already crippled dignity. Wingnut, Screwloose and Mondo Gecko were only ever cool in the Archieverse. And, there's absolutely no reasonable reason to resurrect the human Splinter origin. That was just plain stupid. :evil:
Because it has the most promiss and if done correctly can work very well.
Don't think about the characters as they where think about them as they could be and how Mirage can make them into something really cool.
Funny you rag on a character Peter Laird himself created.
Um yeah that just sounds like to much work to me Gobo we might as well just pack our bags and run screaming and flip our arms up in the air in disgust and give up all together.
Have some friggin faith in Murphy, The Fans, & Pray that Peter Laird would put his big foot down.

Scandia

10-03-2007, 08:42 PM

This is depressing me more than what it should be.

After all, I have many other hobbies and fandoms. Although I do admit that I have not seen any TREMENDOUSLY good anime in a looooong time.

But I do wish they would continue with the fantastic wonder that 2k3 is. And Fast Forward was not half bad. There is a reason why 2k3 is my absolute fave. I do not want a good thing ruined.

I do not know what you mean by the original TMNT- from what you mentioned it may be the 1987 cartoon. Which is great, but I prefer 2k3.

gobo

10-03-2007, 08:44 PM

So I guess you must have been PISSED when Mattel brought He-Man back for a while...
In as much as I hated He-Man in the '80s, it was exactly the opposite. I originally intended to use that as a reference in my previous post. The big difference between He-Man 2002 and Ultimate TMNT would be updating the characters. While it's only 'as far as we know' that the proposed idea was this shallow (only Mutagen Man getting a makeover), it's also only 'as far as we know' that Overload was a card game and not just like a card game.
The original TMNT, regardless of what we think, know, or otherwise, is the definitive version to the mainstream public and would lead to a much wider toyline and much more profitable audience ratings
No question, it would be profitable. There's just a few miles between 'dignified' and 'profitable'. Personally, I'd rather a dignified TMNT show than watch history repeat itself again anyday.

Dragon Turtle

10-03-2007, 08:47 PM

So I guess you must have been PISSED when Mattel brought He-Man back for a while...

The original TMNT, regardless of what we think, know, or otherwise, is the definitive version to the mainstream public and would lead to a much wider toyline and much more profitable audience ratings

They only aspect from the original toon that I believe would have a significant impact on the toyline would be, the antrhomorphic animal mutants. Everything else could be left alone.

VaughnMichael

10-03-2007, 08:56 PM

No question, it would be profitable. There's just a few miles between 'dignified' and 'profitable'. Personally, I'd rather a dignified TMNT show than watch history repeat itself again anyday.
It wouldn't happen thats the point I'm trying to make here is that Peter Laird would not for one second allow that to happen.
Even if there where characters you personally did not like from the past in the new show who's to say he and the staff won't take them and make the character into something you enjoy.
I remember a character by the name of Hun you may have heard of him I absolutly hated the guy when I first saw his mug on tv and I found it funny Peter felt the same way about a character on his own show.
But with their help at mirage that character became some one I liked just about the best on 2k3.
What I'm trying to say is Don't shoot down the future cause you think the past stinks.

Jester

10-03-2007, 09:33 PM

I like the main idea of Ultimate if and only if it did reach more into the, as Gobo coined it and I'm gonna use it, "Archieverse." The Archie comic were a wonderful blend of old toon aspects with the Mirage universe. You all know how I feel about the Archie comics, heck it's the second biggest TMNT influence in my being a fan (maybe even tied for first...heck I was still reading Archie books when I thought the old toon was off the air between seasons 6 and 7). I like the idea of integrating the Archie comics into the mix. I think the stories would work well. Heck they are very sci-fi, with all the time slipping, although there is a lot of eastern mysticism in it too. Could some one convince Laird that Archie comics were his idea so we could end the Archieverse embargo...

gobo

10-03-2007, 09:46 PM

It wouldn't happen thats the point I'm trying to make here is that Peter Laird would not for one second allow that to happen.
Even if there where characters you personally did not like from the past in the new show who's to say he and the staff won't take them and make the character into something you enjoy.
I remember a character by the name of Hun you may have heard of him I absolutly hated the guy when I first saw his mug on tv and I found it funny Peter felt the same way about a character on his own show.
But with their help at mirage that character became some one I liked just about the best on 2k3.
What I'm trying to say is Don't shoot down the future cause you think the past stinks.
I hear ya. It just resembles hypocrisy more than I'd like to admit to say that Ultimate had potential when Superworld and Overload were impossible. That's the main thing that bugged me. Ultimate was an underdeveloped idea as suggested by the "um" in the pitch material quote. Literally fresh out of Playmates' collective ass, I'd imagine.
Could some one convince Laird that Archie comics were his idea so we could end the Archieverse embargo...
:o BRILLIANT!! ^_^

Janus Prospero

10-03-2007, 10:27 PM

But you know what it is that NONE of these other pitches are? It's a show about Ninja Turtles. Fast Forward and what would have been Superworld and Overload are all ideas that just happen to feature Ninja Turtles - You could easily do the same exact show with generic characters replacing the Ts.

True dat!

What I find weird is that Mirage settled on Overload after some input and tweaks, but there was no way for them to modify Ultimate so that everyone was happy? That is just ridiculous.

METALHEAD

10-04-2007, 12:07 AM

i like this Ultimate TMNT ! i want Ultimate TMNT ! 4kids, dude who own tmnt MAKE IT HAPPEN NOW-ERR!!!!!!!!!:x

ZariusTwo

10-04-2007, 01:32 AM

WRONG![/Peter Luthor]

ZariusTwo

10-04-2007, 01:34 AM

Everything else could be left alone.

Technodrome, Krang, Krang's Android Body, Dimension X veichles etc...

Dragon Turtle

10-04-2007, 06:49 AM

Technodrome, Krang, Krang's Android Body, Dimension X veichles etc...

None truely necesssary, you could always come up with new villains and vehicles and todays kids wouldn't care.

Mutants on the other hand, are something uniquely and strongly identifiable (as well as marketable) with the TMNT brand.

Drtooth

10-04-2007, 01:09 PM

So, seriously. By not slightly tweaking that proposal they can't make anyone happy? Get rid of some of the mutants, no Krang, no Hamato Yoshi Splinter... throw in stuff from the movie, it could be done. Redesign the characters ever so slightly, and you could make new Turtle figures and kids will still get them.

I know I said I don't care, but there has to be a proposal that's only a little gimmicky to sell toys, while keeping fans and current viewers happy.

Time Mistress

10-04-2007, 04:41 PM

I honestly don't know what to say to all this (partly because so many have said it what I'm thinking already) but this whole thing just seems nuts.

I'd love to see a contination of 2k3 like Scandia said, but if that's not possible something closer to the new movie or working in the Archieverse would have been great too (minus a change to Splinter's origins). Kudos to Playmates for at least trying.

At this point, I'm wondering if the new show is salvagable at all. Murphy is right, to continue at all the concept needs to focus on the characters and not some stupid gimick. At this rate, we probably won't see the new concept on the air til 2009, and if it sucks we'll only wish the show had been put out of its misery long ago.

While FF can be fun sometimes, I think 2k3 may have died with the lost season. Just give me my DVDs of it aleady so we can move on and get another good TMNT TV reboot in 5-10 years. Maybe Mirage should just focus on the comics and movies instead for now.

Whatever happens, I hope 2009 (the 25th anniversary) is a major re-think year for the franchise and gets back to basics.

Coola Yagami

10-04-2007, 04:42 PM

Ultimate TMNT? NO. Sorry, but I like TMNT 2K3 and I don't want a new show to completely erase everything we've seen and make like nothing happened.

JUST GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FORMULA. They still have cool comic stories they didn't translate yet, and if they must, they can bring in totally cool andupdated versions of Mondo Gecko, Slash, Groundchuck, Dirtbag and all of them. But DO NOT START OVER. KEEP THE SERIES GOING!!!

CyberCubed

10-04-2007, 04:55 PM

They won't miss the 2008 TV season.

Even if production isn't started yet the new season could start in November instead of September, but there will definitely be something which is why all these pitches are trying to get things finalized.

4kids is lucky they have Season 5 to air which bridges the gap until the fall but this show can't survive on reruns for an entire year which is why we're obviously going to get a new season in Fall of '08.

odupianist

10-05-2007, 08:03 AM

I think TLS had such a definitive ending, it would be tough to continue from that without starting a new angle. So Ultimate would be a cool way to go.

Scandia

10-05-2007, 09:06 AM

I kinda disagree. The ending of the Ninja Tribunal season did tie up all loose ends. It works well as a series finale- but also as a season finale. I had no problem accepting FF coming right after TLS. So I do not think it would be THAT hard to have a new season of 2k3 back in the regular timeline.

Whitewolf89

10-05-2007, 01:51 PM

Personally, I hope they come up with SOMETHING good before next fall, because I DO still care.

And for the record (and you guys can diss me all you want; you have my permission), but personally, I thought ALL of the Turtles connected to the rejected "Overload" look kinda cute. But that's just me.:twink::trazz:

TerranigmaFreak

10-06-2007, 10:42 AM

I think TLS had such a definitive ending, it would be tough to continue from that without starting a new angle. So Ultimate would be a cool way to go.

I don't see how you can call that a definitive ending. It tied up some loose ends, but there were still far too many questions left unanswered. Plus, according to FF, Bishop doesn't become a good guy till 50 years later. While he helped the TMNT, he was hardly going to be their best buddies for life. Same deal with Hun. Heck, I found Hun extremely underused in the 4th season. The man's starting to build his own criminal empire, and I'd like to see him clash with Karai and the turtles some more.

Buslady

10-06-2007, 10:48 AM

I just .. I just want the TMNT to be cool again. :cry:

Edit: Also, I think that the TMNT is seriously starting to become marketed towards girls. Because girls freakin' love toddler turtles.

really? im not a big fan of them. sure they're cute but i dont like how they're drawns...those huge eyes?! ugh

if they wanna market towards gals, throw in some more character development & romance, some NICE scenes of Raph not being a jerk too....maybe Mikey not being annoying too.

Scandia

10-06-2007, 12:01 PM

Marketed towards girls? Wow, we're making progress. Seven years ago, they totally slashed Cardcaptor Sakura in order to make something marketable to BOYS. Complete and total failure. Not to mention they trashed one of my favorite anime characters ever.

I do like the Toddler Turtles a lot. But I LOVED the OT and the movies back in the day. And I like all TMNT incarnations that I have seen/read. Granted, I am not the girliest girl in the block- but it's not like I watch football or am a total tomboy otherwise. I like the character development and emotional episodes- and the action, and the adventures, and the comedy, and the good plots that leave me saying "This is so ______ good!".

ZariusTwo

10-06-2007, 02:23 PM

I don't see how you can call that a definitive ending

If Deep Space Nine proved anything, if JLU proved anything it's that nothing is ever properly resolved for the sake of maintaining a universe's realism and ever-expanding life beyond a screen prescense. Buffy's last season? That sure as hell wasnt closure either, it was the next stage of Buffy's life, the live-action series only ended to be fair to Geller, Buffy's story wasnt going to ended with her.

You cant deny TLS wasnt a definitive ending, The original Shredder was defeated, Karai found peace, and the Foot would no longer trouble the Turtles. TLS was to the series what City At War was to the original MIRAGE run. It began the next stage.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-09-2007, 06:46 AM

Overload would have SUCKED--who could possibly come up with such a freakin' stupid idea?

Yes, go back to 2K3. We still have Bishop, Baxter, Hun, and the Big Mob Boss for villians. And why can't Karai go back evil?

Oooh--wonder what the next stage would be?

ZariusTwo

10-09-2007, 08:11 AM

odupianist

10-09-2007, 09:43 AM

I found Hun extremely underused in the 4th season.

Was it because of his VA? I noticed he sounded very differently so maybe that was part of it?

TLS had a definitive ending to me because the Foot was no longer a threat. The Foot had such a central part of the 2k3 universe, now they have kinda done their thing. I agree with FF coming after TLS, but that was almost a whole other universe.

Yes, go back to 2K3. We still have Bishop, Baxter, Hun, and the Big Mob Boss for villians. And why can't Karai go back evil?

That would work, but it'd be a lot like the first half of season two meets the last half of season four. Maybe I'm alone in that thought though. My vote is still for Ultimate. It would have been a good bridging point for Archie, which some of us would like to see how well that goes in the new cartoon.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-09-2007, 09:57 AM

Can someone explain the Ultimate concept to me?

Scandia

10-09-2007, 11:45 AM

I actually think that the end of Season 5 may be more correspondent to the end of Volume 2, and that the end of City at War in the comics may be more correspondent to Exodus.

Spitfire

10-09-2007, 01:11 PM

I actually think that the end of Season 5 may be more correspondent to the end of Volume 2, and that the end of City at War in the comics may be more correspondent to Exodus.

The end of Volume 2 had a alien invasion that was contained with-in area 51. How is that anything like Season 5, a season that not one episode had anything to do with any comic?

I'm not even going to touch the CIty At War one...

odupianist

10-09-2007, 02:55 PM

Can someone explain the Ultimate concept to me?

http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2007/10/ultimate-tmnt-also-not.html

Other than the old toon Splinter concept. I think it would have been interesting, at least the best of the three so far lol.

As grumpy as Spit is today, I'm going to have to agree with him on the CaW one. How the heck do you get Exodus as ANYTHING like CaW? Exodus has Saki as an Utrom, Bishop, spaceships, turtles getting the crap beat out of them, Utrom judicial branch, a mega super Shredder exosuit. CaW has robots, introduction of Karai, Foot Elite as main players, Splinter and Rat King, Don leaving at the end for Massachusetts, Casey getting married, and then April adopting the orphan that Casey had married the mom of. I'm confused, where do you see the similarities there?

Scandia

10-09-2007, 03:51 PM

I am not drawing parallels between the plots.

I am stating that CaW in the comics concluded a major arc like Exodus concluded another one in the TV series. And that as the Ninja Tribunal season was the end of the regular 2k3 toon before it went on to the next stage in Fast Forward, just as Volume 2 was the end of the regular main story before it moved on to the next phase that is Volume 4- where the Turtles and other non- humans walk around in broad daylights.

Plots have no similarities with each other.

Spitfire

10-09-2007, 07:45 PM

Eh I can see what your getting at but I still think the comparison was pointless.

Yeah I am grumpy today sorry guys

BubblyShell22

10-10-2007, 07:50 AM

gobo

10-10-2007, 08:56 AM

BubblyShell22

10-10-2007, 02:29 PM

Oh, I see. Well, then I guess we'll just have to settle for something else. I just hope that whatever we get is better than Fast Forward, but I'm not gonna hope too hard.

Fledermaus

10-10-2007, 02:48 PM

I have to bring up Karai because I don't think there was a big resolution with her. Yes, she found peace, but I don't think she really settled things with the Turtles. She never told them that there was a truce between her and them. This means that she could still be evil to an extent. Plus, as others have said, we do have Baxter, Bishop, The Rat King, and other villains we've seen little of. This means that 2K3 could be continued from Ninja Tribunal. I always thought FF was just a separate series until I saw "The Journal." However, even that screwed us over since we didn't see all of the Tribunal series on TV.

Totally agreed.

But I'm gonna say something more since I'm tired of people praising something that, to me, was hardly a gem in the history of the 2k3 series.

I have seen the entire Lost Season through several times in hopes that it would feel less like a cop-out than it did on my initial viewing, but that's just what it is: a cop-out for many seasons of character development with sudden resolutions of old conflicts and the involvement of new characters who incited neither my fascination nor my sympathy. Just because it was violent or "hardcore" didn't make it great. The Ninja Tribunal arc was essentially a last-minute battle-to-end-all-battles formula applied to a series that would probably never resurface again in its untainted form. It is one of the most overrated segments of TMNT 2K3, in my opinion. Even Fast Forward with its ridiculous flashing colors, annoying child sidekicks and slogans and terrible setting was more fulfilling than the Ninja Tribunal arc.

Sorry, it's just that I'm seeing nothing but praise and criticism of those who dare think otherwise and I'm tired of keeping my mouth shut. The Lost Season was not the ingenious lost "gem" it is puffed up to be. :roll:

gobo

10-10-2007, 03:11 PM

The Lost Season was not the ingenious lost "gem" it is puffed up to be. :roll:
Damn straight. Cop-out, it was. But, I didn't think it was that bad.

Spitfire

10-10-2007, 07:45 PM

No one is denying that 2K3 could continue on its beaten path. It's just unlikely to happen. Since the ratings were slipping towards the end of it, 4Kids will insist on remodeling the series. That's why it isn't an option.

You can bet your ass if TLS banks in some huge ratings they will go back to the 2K3 style and all. And it just might cause it has animey crap in it and kids now of days love that crap. You know the more I think about it the more I think TLS was made for a toyline Playmates never got to do...

gobo

10-11-2007, 01:33 AM

"Kay. True. But, for the sake of argument, that's a last resort... and a mighty big 'if'. 4Kids' track record suggests that they'll make some other bonehead move during their airing of TLS that will ruin what could have been an otherwise perfect run. With a year before season 7, only 3 unaired eps of >> left and 12 of TLS, there are too many opportunities for 4Kids to not mess things up.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-11-2007, 07:13 AM

How 'bout TMNT: Rewind? The Turtles go back in time, fighting the forces of evil and experiencing history, helping historical figures like Johnny Appleseed, George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Thomas Jefferson...

Okay, bad idea.

Coola Yagami

10-11-2007, 07:31 AM

odupianist

10-11-2007, 07:45 AM

You know the more I think about it the more I think TLS was made for a toyline Playmates never got to do

I thought the Mystic TMNT were the playmates line for TLS..?

How 'bout TMNT: Rewind? The Turtles go back in time, fighting the forces of evil and experiencing history, helping historical figures like Johnny Appleseed, George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Thomas Jefferson...

Oh oh then we can have TMNT: Slow motion! Each episode is only like a third or a fourth of a real episode, and they all move like the Matrix stuff, in really slow motion, even conversations. How about TMNT: Reverse where everything can go backwards, the entire episode backwards. Season finale as the season "premiere" too.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-11-2007, 09:45 AM

Ooooh! OOOOHHH!

Great idea! They can just air all of the first four seasons again, played at an eighth of the normal play speed!

TMNT: Slow Motion!

And hey, "Rewind" would be a lot better than Overload. Whose crummy idea was that, and what were they smoking?

Hero

10-11-2007, 11:09 AM

Everything seems to be TMNT: Paused at the moment :P

===HERO

Coola Yagami

10-11-2007, 02:24 PM

yeah... soon followed by TMNT: Cancelation

Mutated Leo

10-11-2007, 02:35 PM

yeah... soon followed by TMNT: Cancelation

Ha ha... Thats a possibility, eh? :) :)

Ninjinister

10-11-2007, 11:38 PM

yeah... soon followed by TMNT: Cancelation

Then comes "TMNT: The Franchise Was Won By The S in a Rock-Paper-Scissors Best Two Out of Three Bout Against Peter Laird And Now The Fans Run Everything" :lol:

VaughnMichael

10-12-2007, 12:59 AM

Then comes "TMNT: The Franchise Was Won By The S in a Rock-Paper-Scissors Best Two Out of Three Bout Against Peter Laird And Now The Fans Run Everything" :lol:
Then came TMNT: Putrescents in heaven.:lol:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-12-2007, 09:12 AM

TMNT: Paused... I love that!

Wait, misquote: I love the quote--NOT the idea.

odupianist

10-12-2007, 09:44 AM

TMNT: Hiatus sounds better, but TMNT: Paused fits the theme lol. I like it. TMNT: Archie Not Included (spin off of Batteries Not Included)

Drtooth

10-12-2007, 09:49 AM

How about TMNT: Finishing the damn series on the same note it started?

gobo

10-12-2007, 10:10 AM

Nah. Title's too long...

Sage Ninja

10-12-2007, 11:03 AM

Ninja Turtles: The Wonder Years...

or

TMNT: Scrubs

or

TMNT: Flava Flav

I can see multiple plot twists and toy line potenticial in the last one ;)

Vegita-San

10-12-2007, 11:57 AM

Ninja Turtles: The Wonder Years...

or

TMNT: Scrubs

or

TMNT: Flava Flav

I can see multiple plot twists and toy line potenticial in the last one ;)

TMNT: Rock of Love... Michelangelo must choose between 10 sets of lovely female turtles who all come from troubled backgrounds too be his new bride.....

Sage Ninja

10-12-2007, 12:36 PM

why do they have to be turtles? ;)

ToTheNines

10-12-2007, 01:52 PM

It's time for a new target audience.

TMNT: Murder She Wrote

Coola Yagami

10-12-2007, 03:06 PM

Ah ha!!! TMNT Crime Solvers!!! They take their crime fighting to the next level by using CSI tricks. Guest starring April O'Neil as the DA.

Scandia

10-12-2007, 04:28 PM

A cross between TMNT and Case Closed.

Cool.

But I want more comics based episodes.

CudleyCowlick

10-14-2007, 12:06 AM

TMNT: Rewind, Pause, Hop Skip and Jump for all I care, but while they all keep dragging their feet I am getting seriously worried that the toon will go down the drain and we won't have any new TMNT in 08.

Sage Ninja

10-14-2007, 12:19 AM

the ninja turtles go Care Bears!!!

they some how end up in Care Alot and have to take over the care bears jobs of helping kids share their feelings, and even get their own care bear symbols on their plastrons, but can only use them after extensive training in Care Bear boot camp!!

Roseangelo

10-14-2007, 12:27 AM

and even get their own care bear symbols on their plastrons

Didn't that happen temporarily in Vol. 4? :evilgrin:

Kendamu

10-14-2007, 12:40 AM

How about...?

TMNT: Out of Order

It can be taken in two ways!

R-iZZy

10-15-2007, 02:52 AM

Man, I know I'm late, but what a horrible ass idea! It's no wonder I haven't seen any new TMNT since the end of the first half of Fast Forward. I couldn't bare to watch my favorite franchise go to the ground like that. Whatever new idea they come up with better be 20x better than what I just read from the first post by default.

Perhaps going back to their roots is a good start.

10-15-2007, 06:39 AM

You're not the only one late, Rizzy. I haven't been on here in aggggeeess...I must be late if you guys are already throwing out alternative title names :lol:

Overload? Good god. Never have I been so grateful for Playmates. The concept poster makes me cry. A lot. And not in a good way. Why can't they just pick up where Tribunal left off? It seems like a good place to continue the story, at least. Fast Forward seems like a stand-alone thing from my point of view. It doesn't really affect the story, the character development or what-not...so we can pretend it never really happened, eh?

How about...?

TMNT: Out of Order

It can be taken in two ways!
I like it! :lol: As long as we have a good cartoon by '08, I couldn't care less what they call it. Just bring back our turtles!

odupianist

10-15-2007, 08:10 AM

TMNT: The Splinter Chronicles

BubblyShell22

10-15-2007, 09:02 AM

Hmmm, that sounds good.

How about TMNT: M.D.? Where Don is joined by none other that Dr. Gregory House and they must solve medical mysteries.

Okay, I'm just joking here. But it would be cool.

Drtooth

10-15-2007, 09:49 AM

How about TMNT and...whatever the hell this is...

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb174/drslumptooth/weirdotroll.jpg

Yep. That's the sign we've got off topic and became too silly.

Does anyone have any idea what they're going to do? Seems their running out of time to put something together. This thing's supposed to air in less than a year.

odupianist

10-15-2007, 12:29 PM

It's Gonzo Dr. Tooth, jeez, a Muppet fan should now that. lol I think Don should be joined by Doogie Howser. I think with only a year left, they've got two quick options, go back to the original 2k3 style or continue with FF. There's no time for new ideas right now.

BubblyShell22

10-15-2007, 01:56 PM

Well, I like House, so that's why I said that. Well, they can't continue with FF because that's been canned, and I doubt they'll bring 2K3 back, though I'd like them to do so. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. At least we'll get Ninja Tribunal next year, which is something.

Mr. Stay Puft

10-15-2007, 08:26 PM

How about this. TMNT: Sliders. In an effort to return to their time, they somehow become derailed from the timeline. They spend an entire season hopping from one reality to another, ranging from Archie, OT, Mirage, Overload, Superworld, SaiNW, Superturtles, Shredderville, Dimension X, etc., in an effort to return to the 2k3 reality. This way, everyone's happy but at the same time, no one's happy since it's such a god-awful idea.

gobo

10-15-2007, 09:31 PM

That was the initial idea behind my 'full season of random artist's interpretations of the TMNT' (inspired by all the non-E&L stories and continuities that were injected into Mirage Vol. 1). No one ever commented on it though. :ohwell:

odupianist

10-16-2007, 07:14 AM

TMNT: Eastman Returns

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-16-2007, 07:16 AM

Please, no. How 'bout TMNT: Dark Reality, where they return home to find that the "Same As It Never Was" future is coming to become reality due to the Turtles' months-long absence?

THAT would be cool.

Or TMNT: Battle Nexus, with a season-long tournament arc. I could stand that. The human acolytes could be in it, for one--and die only to return at the season finale. :roll:

odupianist

10-16-2007, 11:31 AM

TMNT: Immortal

TMNT: No one ever freakin' dies

BubblyShell22

10-16-2007, 01:48 PM

How about TMNT: Usagi's World, where the Turtles end up in Usagi's world by mistake and have to get back home?

triplexxx

10-16-2007, 02:02 PM

You know, that one might actually work, since people say there isn't enough Usagi.

odupianist

10-16-2007, 03:23 PM

It's been done though with the Ultimate Drako episodes. They can get home easily thru the Battle Nexus or straight back to their home since Usagi knows the enchantments to get to Third Earth (as seen in "Samurai Tourist")

triplexxx

10-16-2007, 03:48 PM

True, but that was only one episode. I was just thinking maybe they could do something where Usagi and his friends are in real trouble, having to constantly face a certain, or maybe numerous foes (they never did take care of Lord Hebi once and for all), he summons the turtles for help, and they could stay maybe as long as half a season; it'd be a difference from the usual NY setting and can still be just as exciting. Maybe they could use that bit Stan Sakai did which included the turtles as an inspiration, change it a little, and expand on it; it'd have a comic touch and be original.

Drtooth

10-16-2007, 05:18 PM

It's Gonzo Dr. Tooth, jeez, a Muppet fan should now that. lol I think Don should be joined by Doogie Howser.

Like I don't know that that wa baby Gonzo in the Musical Muppets episode of Muppet babies, performing Weirdo troll. It's on my Photobucket account after all, sheesh. Try to make a joke.....

How about TMNT: Usagi's World, where the Turtles end up in Usagi's world by mistake and have to get back home?

You know, as ultra obvious as that is, that could be a great solution. Have the TMNT in Usagi's world. That way we get an Usagi cartoon series, while keeping the familiar TMNT brand, so then there will be a built in audience of younger kids who don't fully know Usagi yet.

Fledermaus

10-16-2007, 06:09 PM

They can get home easily thru the Battle Nexus or straight back to their home since Usagi knows the enchantments to get to Third Earth (as seen in "Samurai Tourist")

So does Splinter -- how else did he travel back and forth for the tournaments? :roll: All they have to do is have Splinter draw up the diagram, visit the Daimyo and ask him to send them back to their proper time. But that of course is too logical.

Scandia

10-16-2007, 06:27 PM

That would actually be pretty nifty. I like Usagi and his universe.

Of course, it may work better as a 4 episode arc than a whole season.

Not to mention it would make a good story for Tales Volume 2.

Katie

10-16-2007, 08:58 PM

I'm still waiting for Renet to poof them back to their time......OH OH OH TMNT: Quantum Leap. Ditzy Renet sends the turtles through time landing them in the middle of historic events all through time. It's fun AND educational :P

SLASH!!!

10-16-2007, 09:49 PM

TMNT: Beyond

TMNT: Unlimited

TMNT: Miami

Masked Ninja

10-16-2007, 10:24 PM

TMNT: MiamiI can see it now... Leo takes up the habit of wearing aviators and posing dramatically before he says anything. And his one-liners get much, much worse. :trazz:

How 'bout TMNT: Dark Reality, where they return home to find that the "Same As It Never Was" future is coming to become reality due to the Turtles' months-long absence?
Seeing SAINW-related events start to happen could be interesting for a season. That would give Donny a chance to shine (and put a lot of pressure on the poor guy, to remember details from an alternate reality he visited probably a year previous at least, by that time). You could do some interesting stuff with it... bring up some can-we-change-our-own-destiny questions, as well as force Don to make some in-series acknowledgement about that experience. Find a way to give Raph a prominent role (as he could use some more solo screentime) and I'd watch it, no question.

If I were watching a season with that storyline and Don were captured/went missing for any reason, I'd freak out. It has a lot of dramatic potential... you'd just have to, y'know, not blow it by doing something stupid. Which I can't say 4Kids is too reliable on.

10-17-2007, 12:28 AM

Seeing SAINW-related events start to happen could be interesting for a season. That would give Donny a chance to shine (and put a lot of pressure on the poor guy, to remember details from an alternate reality he visited probably a year previous at least, by that time). You could do some interesting stuff with it... bring up some can-we-change-our-own-destiny questions, as well as force Don to make some in-series acknowledgement about that experience. Find a way to give Raph a prominent role (as he could use some more solo screentime) and I'd watch it, no question.
Me as well. It will be a very dramatic jump from "Fast Forward", but I would really dig into it. I guess 4Kids needs to ask itself this: should they try make things that are appealing to kids, or just for kids? (gah, bad pun...). Kids like dark and edgy. I've seen kids in Spiderman 3. They loved every minute of it. The turtles are no different. Why make a kiddy plotline when they were loving the current dark plotline so much? The kids were happy until 4Kids tried to milk the show for everything it was worth... *sighs*

Scandia

10-17-2007, 04:46 AM

I learned in my Humanities class that little kids love the gory and morbid stuff. The same stuff that adults try to shield them from. In elementary school media centers, kids are always checking out the books about spiders, sharks, and snakes. In fairy tales, kids love the gruesome stuff. And one 3rd grade boy in a class I subbed for pointed out to me a picture where the praying mantis was eating the head off its mate.

BubblyShell22

10-17-2007, 08:44 AM

Yeah, plus kids love Halloween. I remember my sister's former fiance telling us that when he was younger, he watched horror movies like The Exorcist.

ZariusTwo

10-17-2007, 11:05 AM

TMNT: Miami

Leo: How much time we got?
Raph: Twenty five minutes
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-74Z1pY9g&eurl=)

gobo

10-18-2007, 02:06 PM

TMNT: SVP Unit?

Don't ask me how that one would go... :ohwell:

odupianist

10-18-2007, 03:32 PM

TMNT: PCAMPIEOFTD (Family Guy joke for those of you that like it)

Whitewolf89

10-18-2007, 09:47 PM

TMNT: SVP Unit?

*blinks in confusion* Say what now?

Sage Ninja

10-18-2007, 11:43 PM

I can't recall who exactly said this, but some one speculated that the likely hood of the show going back to 2k3 tone was not going to happen because it didn't do well in the ratings. Well I was wondering on how 4kids could make that call when they didn't even show season five to the public? It was still in the same tone as the rest of the other seasons but with a new direction and feel with the turtles getting arguably more anime-ish feel to it. That in it self was something of a gimmick and I think it could have pulled in good ratings and appealed to the kiddies and shown that the 2k3 style could still pull in a decent audinace. Maybe if they had let the fifth tribunal season show when it was supposed to it could have boosted up the waning ratings the show seemed to be suffering from in season four (which I don't get since season four was kick ass) instead of jumping the gun and pushing Fast Foward ahead of it's self in attempt to make ratings and sell toys.

Spitfire

10-18-2007, 11:54 PM

it could have boosted up the waning ratings the show seemed to be suffering from in season four (which I don't get since season four was kick ass) instead of jumping the gun and pushing Fast Foward ahead of it's self in attempt to make ratings and sell toys.

Okay your 7 years old, you turn on your TV to watch Ninja Turtles and the screen is very dark. There's a mad man trying to feed people to rats, Leo*The normally nice turtle* is being mean, a monster gets ripped in half with a chaingun, aliens explode everywhere, Mikey gets threatened to be murdered

Honestly now if you can't see why a child wouldn't enjoy season 4 I don't know what to tell you. Yeah for adults and teens it's great but adults and teens don't rake in the ratings for Saturday morning cartoon programs.

Hate to accept it or not kids loved the old toon, loved Fast Forward. When did ratings slip on the old series? When Red Sky started. It's like a reverse of what happened in the past. The show was to mature, the 5th season isn't that good, the only appeal I see to it is the anime aspects of it.

But I can tell you already it's not going to pull in big ratings. Kids don't want to see demons, Ne York being turned into Hell, and a monster threatening to eat babies souls. It's a big story arc, it worked for Poke'mon sure but this is a different subject matter. FF works because their one shot episodes for the most part, sure it's all linked but it's one story contained in an episode. Another big thing is the style, even season 5 is low budget like FF but FF has a better appeal to kids. Season 4 is to dark for kids to get into.

Kids are bright, they want to be happy, season 4 is depressing and so is season 5 people dieing left and right.

Janus Prospero

10-19-2007, 12:15 AM

Leo: How much time we got?
Raph: Twenty five minutes
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-74Z1pY9g&eurl=)

LMFAO! Randomest quotes ever.

I really love this song for some reason. Especially when the drums go:
DUM DUM!
DUM DUM!
DUM DUM dum dum...

Sage Ninja

10-19-2007, 01:29 AM

Okay your 7 years old, you turn on your TV to watch Ninja Turtles and the screen is very dark. There's a mad man trying to feed people to rats, Leo*The normally nice turtle* is being mean, a monster gets ripped in half with a chaingun, aliens explode everywhere, Mikey gets threatened to be murdered

Honestly now if you can't see why a child wouldn't enjoy season 4 I don't know what to tell you.

Spit, are you incapable of voicing an opinion or having a discussion with out being a patronizing about it? Really the condescending tone is a bit much, I don't need things broken down for me as if I where a seven year old. And the comment I made in parenthasis was me stating my opinion on season four from my perspective .

Hate to accept it or not kids loved the old toon, loved Fast Forward. When did ratings slip on the old series? When Red Sky started. It's like a reverse of what happened in the past. The show was to mature, the 5th season isn't that good, the only appeal I see to it is the anime aspects of it.

Red Sky was not when ratings started to go down for the old toon, it was going down before then, and Red Sky a revamp that was not well recived because it was an abrupt change from its more comedic roots(although Red Sky has its modest fan base). And I know there are people, your self including I guess, that like FF and are sick of people not liking it, but that doesn't mean that all the little kids in the audinace liked it.

But I can tell you already it's not going to pull in big ratings. Kids don't want to see demons, Ne York being turned into Hell, and a monster threatening to eat babies souls. It's a big story arc, it worked for Poke'mon sure but this is a different subject matter. FF works because their one shot episodes for the most part, sure it's all linked but it's one story contained in an episode. Another big thing is the style, even season 5 is low budget like FF but FF has a better appeal to kids. Season 4 is to dark for kids to get into.

Kids are bright, they want to be happy, season 4 is depressing and so is season 5 people dieing left and right.

well, like I said before, we won't know for sure until it shows. But really I'm as sick of this mentality that all kids want a happy bright cartoon as people are that all cartoons should be dark and serious and depressing. And even if some people found season four depressing doesn't mean every one did.

Wildcat

10-19-2007, 02:06 AM

Well I sure got here late.

Well about the whole "kids want bright happy cartoons,so that how it should be" thing....I wonder if 4kids knows just how many of us 18-25 year old fans watch TMNT.

If I was head of 4kids,Id feel kinda stuck between a rock and hard place...because I know the TRUE fans are us older crowd,but at the same time...it has to be marketed towards kids...which is half the problem...if that the case with ratings and Fast Forward.The 2k3 series was AWESOME...including the Lost Season.

Anyway in regaurds to the actual topic....I wouldnt mind seeing "TMNT: Overload"....but defintly not as a whole season,a few episodes could be fun though.

Spitfire

10-19-2007, 03:55 AM

Spit, are you incapable of voicing an opinion or having a discussion with out being a patronizing about it? Really the condescending tone is a bit much

I was unaware you could hear my tone over the internet, because if you could you'd hear I wasn't trying to be patronizing at all. Your just used to me being an ass and you view everything I say instantly as me acting like one thusly.

I can understand that but really I'm lightening up and working on being nicer.

10-19-2007, 04:21 AM

Now, now everyone. No need to fight. We all have valid points. I know kids who love TMNT when it was dark and edgy, but Spit have a very valid point about kids just wanting to watch their heroes. Kids attention spans are shorter than ours. I still stand by my point saying that they like their good dose of cartoon violence (especially the boys), but right now TMNT is like a black sheep among the flock. Putting TMNT up against "Fosters" or "My Gym Partner's a Monkey" is like comparing chocolate to candy; both are the same, yet very VERY different. TMNT is darker, while pretty much everything else on TV has a much lighter tone. It's hard to be the black sheep in the cartoon industry. Especially when the target audience is kids.

Kids just want their turtles. 4Kids' target ages are from about 4-12 (I'm putting a very rough guess here). At this age, they don't care about quality of character development, story, or anything. They just want to see their heroes on the screen, cracking a few jokes and kicking alien butt. As much as we all want it not to be true, kids are watching Fast Forward and loving it. There are exceptions where kids (like my neighbors) aren't gobbling up the new take on the show. They know the difference and they are hating it. The fact that I got to show them Ninja Tribunal really did help fuel these feelings. Whenever they want Ninja Turtle shows, they just ask to borrow one of my DVDs for a few days. They want to see things that aren't just fart jokes and idiocy rolled into half an hour of cable TV...

Somebody please stop me. I think I'm rambling again.

odupianist

10-19-2007, 08:08 AM

I'll admit it. I'm 23 but I hardly ever watch the TMNT on TV. I usually get the DVD's, mainly because I like sleeping in on Sat. But when I am up, I will typically watch the episode if it's on.

Ra, what you said just confirms that there should try to be two different versions of TMNT going on (I know, I know, it'd be too much work on Mirage etc etc). One version, a dark edgy version for us older folks, on like Cartoon Network or something else (I am not saying it has to be CN, just picked a station is all I did). Then the second version, kiddy funny goofballish for the youngins, on Fox or whatever.

VaughnMichael

10-19-2007, 12:34 PM

I was unaware you could hear my tone over the internet, because if you could you'd hear I wasn't trying to be patronizing at all. Your just used to me being an ass and you view everything I say instantly as me acting like one thusly.

I can understand that but really I'm lightening up and working on being nicer.
I think he missunderstood you if you look over your post there are allot of errors that would make one think you're calling them a 7 year old.

Spitfire

10-19-2007, 12:54 PM

Yeah I just noticed my punctuation is way off. I'm still getting used to typing with my middle finger ever since I cut my index finger I still can't type with my middle finger properly...

VaughnMichael

10-19-2007, 01:34 PM

Yeah I just noticed my punctuation is way off. I'm still getting used to typing with my middle finger ever since I cut my index finger I still can't type with my middle finger properly...
hahaha well instead of getting mad at people just remember you're typing with your middle finger and that should be good enough:lol:

Spitfire

10-19-2007, 01:39 PM

hahaha well instead of getting mad at people just remember you're typing with your middle finger and that should be good enough:lol:

I wasn't mad :| hahaha but you make a good point nonetheless good sir

Herr_Shredder

10-19-2007, 03:15 PM

CudleyCowlick

10-19-2007, 03:49 PM

I'll stop you!!! *punch* w00t!!!

WEll I liked some character development when I was a bit younger, which is why Pokemon annoys me.

Wow, you can pick one thing that annoys you about Pokemon? I can't think of anything about it that DOESN'T annoy me.:lol: Seriously though, I'm a writer and I can't read or watch anything ongoing if it doesn't have at least a little character development. I was always critical about that kind of stuff, even as a little kid.

And long live the w00t! I'm so glad to see it still in use.:D