DNA Is Thicker Than Water (new ep) [Archive]

Splinter's Iroonna

10-06-2007, 12:24 AM

Fast Forward was steadily getting better and better-- and the Dark Turtles, though on the surface were rather cliché, I really did rather like them-- for one thing, it gave the voice actors something rather "evil" to do, and secondly, it LENDS itself greatly to so much story plotline!!!

I saw this ep. on YouTube, and honestly, when the Dark-Leo at the END splits the meat up equally, and the Dark-Mike mentions this, I absolutely LOVED the "It's called 'Sharing'-- you should try it sometime!"-- yet he was openly challenging Darius Dunn-- THAT was the TMNT that I came to LOVE due to the 2K3 series!!!!

Buslady

10-06-2007, 02:28 AM

This eps probably the best one of the FF series.

gobo

10-06-2007, 03:43 AM

Oh... That's this weekend? I checked my local listings a couple days ago, and it said "The Fall of Darius Dunn" and some other rerun. Anyway, I never knew this ep was so widely favored. It's my favorite too! ^_^ It's the closest they got to a perfect ep. I love character growth. :D It'll be a year before we find out if it stuck though (assuming we ever see the Dark Turtles again, that is).

Spitfire

10-06-2007, 04:09 AM

It's the closest they got to a perfect ep.

You missed alot of episodes then. Milk Run? Timing Is Everything? Fall Of Darius Dun?

Then again I'm one of the 8 people who are over the age of 12 that likes FF.

Scandia

10-06-2007, 06:09 AM

This is one of my favorite FF episodes as well. And not just because it is Leonardo-centric. Sure sure, it deals with the usual Leonardo episode themes- honor, courage, doing the right thing, etc. But it is a fresh new angle. I like how Leo says he did not like a certain story after all. I like how Dark Leo reacted. One of the best for sure. One of the reasons why I like FF- even though I do not like it as much as the first 2k3 seasons.

CyberCubed

10-06-2007, 08:13 AM

This is why I wanted the Dark Turtles to somehow go back in time next season with the TMNT.

I think they should further be explored in the past rather than ignoring them entirely.

ToTheNines

10-06-2007, 08:38 AM

I loved this episode, great all around. I'm a big Slash fan, so seeing Dark Leo centric episode was nice.

TerranigmaFreak

10-06-2007, 10:01 AM

It's a pretty good episode. I missed the first 3 minutes, but I think they didn't say "it's ninja time" at all today.

cowabunga14

10-06-2007, 01:14 PM

I thought this episode was great. Like some people said, it was good to see the Dark Turtles again.

VaughnMichael

10-06-2007, 03:03 PM

Yeah this is good but like spifire said fall of darius I like allot more as well as head of state.

Avatar Yuffie

10-06-2007, 04:54 PM

Weird I just saw that episode last week. So it's just being aired in the US now?

I'm in the Philippines, BTW, and I randomly watch FF, which is aired everyday... Timing Is Everything and Head of State are good episodes, which surprised me, considering fans voiced their dislike with this series.

Jon

10-06-2007, 05:16 PM

Yeah, it just aired on TV here.

But, it's also been made available before (through Comcast's Cable Feature "On Demand"; as well as on DVD).

Drtooth

10-07-2007, 09:00 AM

I haven't given up on trying to buy the FF V2 DVD.... I just decided to watch this episode since there is nothing else good on. And I really have to say... if the writing were this sharp, and had this amount of direction, FF wouldn't have been a wasted concept.

I've been looking forward to this episode since Anime Boston, since I heard about it from the mouth of leonardo Himself. Or rather his voice actor. I was in a discussion with him saying I really wasn't feeling FF, but It was Turtles, so I loved it anyway. Then he told about this episode and I thought... wow... now this is the direction they needed to take. And it took them until the end of the series to get it.

Spitfire

10-07-2007, 12:17 PM

And it's only ending because you guys complained about it. So good job.

BubblyShell22

10-10-2007, 07:23 AM

This episode was definitely good. I liked it because it dealt with Dark Leo's character depth and showed that he did change. I also like the fact that the dumb battle cry was not said, which I was bracing myself for. Overall, this ep gets a 5/5 from me.

Spitfire

10-10-2007, 07:46 PM

You guys really can't handle "It's Ninja Time"? There's way worse battle cries then that. "Let's Turtleize'em" was pretty bad. I did love "Turtle Power" though but they won't ever use that again, thanks Laird.

clockstomper

10-11-2007, 12:31 PM

This was a good one, mainly because it was once again Leo centric (both Dark and Light.) It's interesting he could be so forgiving considering he was so mistrustful of Karai. Maybe the events with The Journal and Bishop's reform made him change his outlook?

It's a pity Fast Forward took so long to get good, but I'm glad it's nearly over. Cody's no replacement for Casey and April. It's Playmates fault in the first place for fast-tracking this season and constantly complaining the show isn't all jokes like the other Saturday Morning garbage. They're still pulling that same old trick with the new direction and they should just really get their hooks out of the creator's nostrils and let them make a watchable show.

In the end, the toyline failed, the ratings failed and yet Playmates won't change their faulty ideas (look at the new Alien Hunters line, which is doomed to rot on the shelves.) Fan complaints had nothing to do with FF's faiilure, it drove away casual viewers who thought the franchise sold out and became another generic 'comedy' toon. By the time the improvement came it was deemed a failure and had fallen under the radar and burned off like a cancelled network show.

gobo

10-11-2007, 01:17 PM

Fan complaints had nothing to do with FF's faiilure, it drove away casual viewers who thought the franchise sold out and became another generic 'comedy' toon. By the time the improvement came it was deemed a failure and had fallen under the radar and burned off like a cancelled network show.
While fan-outrage did worsen things a bit, you've got the rest completely right. Few people are going to watch a show that almost everyone says is lame.

CyberCubed

10-11-2007, 03:56 PM

And yet...since the movie FF's ratings have been mostly the highest on the block. Do you guys even look at the rating reports?

Aside from Dinosaur King which has turned out to be a surprise hit for 4kids, TMNT has been doing better than everything else on their block...with reruns even.

Some stuff stolen from Toonzone:

Ratings for September 22:

FOX (4Kids TV) 1.2/6 Avg. (8a-12n)
Winx Club 0.6/4
Yu-Gi-Oh GX 0.8/4
Chaotic 1.5/6
Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward 1.6/6
Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward 1.6/7
Dinosaur King 1.5/6
Viva Pinata 1.2/5
Sonic X 0.9/4

Ratings for September 29, 2007

Adrenaline Project 0.4
Yu-Gi-Oh GX 0.7
Chaotic 1.2
Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward 1.3
Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward 1.5
Dinosaur King 1.6
Viva Pinata 1.1
Sonic X 1.1

Why is TMNT: FF still one of the highest rated shows on 4kids block then? I don't think these are much lower than what Season 4 was getting last year.

VaughnMichael

10-11-2007, 04:33 PM

because it's not as bad as everyone on here made it out to be, I swear to god that half the people lied about what they thought of things simply because they thought if they did that without even seeing the episodes yet that they with their complaints would be the saving grace of the series.
Yeah look how well all that nagging and complaining worked out..Fast Forward is now cancled, and look at the ideas being tossed around that are tuns worse than this stuff at least Fast forward still used things from 2k3.
Fast Forward was not the coolest or best thing ever but it most def. was not the worst thing ever or as bad as everyone makes it out to be and I really think they should have said screw it and did the next season while they pull their heads out of their @sses and figure out what they're going to do with the turtles.

Scandia

10-11-2007, 04:42 PM

FF still is one of their two top rated shows.

Long live TMNT!!!

Spitfire

10-11-2007, 08:00 PM

In the end, the toyline failed, the ratings failed and yet Playmates won't change their faulty ideas (look at the new Alien Hunters line, which is doomed to rot on the shelves.) Fan complaints had nothing to do with FF's faiilure, it drove away casual viewers who thought the franchise sold out and became another generic 'comedy' toon. By the time the improvement came it was deemed a failure and had fallen under the radar and burned off like a cancelled network show.
While fan-outrage did worsen things a bit, you've got the rest completely right. Few people are going to watch a show that almost everyone says is lame.

Wow you two are both...you know what I'm not even going to insult you but what I will do it make you look like idiots.

For one the FF toys sold like crazy, the series had higher ratings then 2K3 when it was at the peak*By peak I mean best season, 4*, what you all liked. Deny it all you want kids loved this show. The only reason it's being canned is because people who work for Mirage, and I bet Laird himself read this message board and see you cry babies complaining about it.

Well enjoy Baby Turtles Diaper Hour and World Of TMNT Craft because that's what we're getting now because you all exaggerated how bad the faults of this show were and constantly flamed anyone who liked the series to the point where half the people who did like it were afraid to say anything.

Good going

gobo

10-11-2007, 08:11 PM

Do as you wish, ass-hole. I didn't insult your precious Fast Forward, but you just don't seem to care. You think everyone's always picking on you, so the solution is to pick on them first, right? Grow up!

Spitfire

10-11-2007, 08:17 PM

Do as you wish, ass-hole. I didn't insult your precious Fast Forward

Few people are going to watch a show that almost everyone says is lame.

You've complained as much as everyone else. You can choose not to own up to it if you please. That post was directed at clockstomper*Wtf kinda name is that anyways?* But I added you because of that comment you made.

Yeah I'm an asshole, people on here are sorta used to that by now. I don't need to assume anyones picking on me people on here were dicks to me for the longest time and I dealt with it. Now I'm lashing back and whoever gets in my way well tough cookies cause I'm tired of it. Some good people well get a reaming to you can blame the people who pissed me off in the first place.

I used to go here to have fun, now I go here to vent. Kinda sad isn't it? So I need to grow up, hell there's something we can all improve on.

gobo

10-11-2007, 08:32 PM

If you think that line was an insult towards Fast Forward, you're out of your mind. What does my signature indicate? Or do you even know how to read between the lines like that?

Spitfire

10-11-2007, 08:35 PM

If you think that line was an insult towards Fast Forward, you're out of your mind. What does my signature indicate? Or do you even know how to read between the lines like that?

Why would I read your sig, or care to? So I had you pinned wrong sorry. I said in my post I don't care who gets in my way good person or not. If this place got civil again I think I would be alot nicer.

gobo

10-11-2007, 08:52 PM

And, I don't care to let people take advantage of me. Stupid little habit I have. Out of curiosity, what is your idea of civil and where is this forum not meeting your expectations?

Spitfire

10-11-2007, 09:00 PM

Honestly this place has become a rabid cesspool of constant whining and bitching. People seem to hate any idea that isn't 2K3 more and more.

Don't even touch the general discussion area, it should be removed. You can't even nicely say what you like in that section without getting ripped to pieces by the savages in there. Even the friends tear into each other there. That's mostly why I'm an ass here. I used to contain it within general but lately I've just been going off wherever I see fit.

Not the best choice, I should go back to listening to angry music when I'm upset instead. Which I'm doing right now, guess it really does pacify me. Honestly in real life I'm a very chill guy who never loses his cool. Here I can fly off the handle and it's just online so there's no hurt feelings. I guess that's why I'm okay with being a dick here.

Jo Dawn

10-11-2007, 09:18 PM

First off, let's all cool our jets a bit, hmm?

Here I can fly off the handle and it's just online so there's no hurt feelings. I guess that's why I'm okay with being a dick here.

Well, the problem is that obviously there ARE hurt feelings, or people wouldn't be defensive. They're not just always reacting that way because they're overreacting. Maybe they're hurt. So let's try calming it down and not ADDING to it.

Few people are going to watch a show that almost everyone says is lame.

Well, I dunno about that. I rarely let anyone's opinion stop me from watching something. And, really... Um... I dunno. I've ever brought up TMNT to anyone, really... as not many people I know watch it. I do work with the kids, and they HATE FF. And the toys never ever sold here. They finally clearance them,and when they STILL didnt sell... I dunno what they did with them, haha. Threw them away? But that's old news.

Anyhow, let's discuss without being demeaning, shall we? Thanks.

VaughnMichael

10-11-2007, 09:22 PM

Yeah people in the general public seem to hate the new turtles all together not just Fast Foward though so I'm thinking you're comments are a bit biased.
Nice to see you well enough to be modding again though. ;)

Krang

10-12-2007, 02:41 AM

The only reason it's being canned is because people who work for Mirage, and I bet Laird himself read this message board and see you cry babies complaining about it.
Oh, give me a break. If the series was doing great and making all kinds of money, they wouldn't cancel it just because a few people on a message board complained about it. That makes no sense whatsoever from a business standpoint, not to mention that it's just plain paranoid and ridiculous.

I'm lashing back and whoever gets in my way well tough cookies cause I'm tired of it. Some good people well get a reaming to you can blame the people who pissed me off in the first place.
So you think people who never said anything rude to you deserve to be attacked just for posting on the same message board as the few people who did? How is that fair? And how is that helping make things better?

If this place got civil again I think I would be alot nicer.
You won't be nicer until the forums get more civil, but the forums can't get more civil because you won't be nicer (see below). Catch-22.

Honestly this place has become a rabid cesspool of constant whining and bitching. People seem to hate any idea that isn't 2K3 more and more.
I've seen alot more whining and negativity from you in the last week or so than from the rest of the people on the forums combined. This is the second time I've had to call you out for your bad attitude in just a few days. Learn to control yourself, please.

Don't even touch the general discussion area, it should be removed. You can't even nicely say what you like in that section without getting ripped to pieces by the savages in there.
Since this happens so often according to you, I'm sure you can easily provide me 3 examples from each subforum of General Discussion of people being "ripped to pieces" after simply stating their opinions within the last week. Let's hear them.

Well, the problem is that obviously there ARE hurt feelings, or people wouldn't be defensive. They're not just always reacting that way because they're overreacting. Maybe they're hurt. So let's try calming it down and not ADDING to it.
Well said, thank you.

odupianist

10-12-2007, 07:02 AM

Guys, guys! Two words that'll solve all of our problems... time share!

(Krang, I love how all of a sudden you pop out of nowhere to end whatever fighting has occurred, yet I barely see you post about anything in the threads, you lurker you ;) lol)

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-12-2007, 09:13 AM

Come now, children, let's all play nicely...

Spitfire

10-12-2007, 12:30 PM

Oh, give me a break. If the series was doing great and making all kinds of money, they wouldn't cancel it just because a few people on a message board complained about it. That makes no sense whatsoever from a business standpoint, not to mention that it's just plain paranoid and ridiculous.
Our negative opinions had Volume 4 put on a longer hiatus then planned I'm seriously not surprised.

I've seen alot more whining and negativity from you in the last week or so than from the rest of the people on the forums combined. This is the second time I've had to call you out for your bad attitude in just a few days. Learn to control yourself, please.
Actually I was doing just fine on the subject till you brought it back up. Even talked to Gobo in some PMs.

Since this happens so often according to you, I'm sure you can easily provide me 3 examples from each subforum of General Discussion of people being "ripped to pieces" after simply stating their opinions within the last week. Let's hear them.

I shouldn't have to just read the video game section, heck sometimes the movie section gets pretty bad to but the game section is the worst. Oh I shouldn't be mentioning that though. Last time someone said alot of arguments happened there they got attacked for it.

I already agreed to be nicer on here, honestly bringing this up now is like throwing stones at a monster who decided to stop attacking people.

VaughnMichael

10-12-2007, 01:27 PM

gobo

10-12-2007, 06:16 PM

Actually I was doing just fine on the subject till you brought it back up. Even talked to Gobo in some PMs.
And, I told you that I won't stand for injustice. You disrespecting Krang in his own house is childish and quite risky. He's the one with the authority around here, so you should be thanking your lucky stars that he's benevolent enough to let it slide. Perhaps you've gained respect for me, but I've lost respect for you.

Spitfire

10-12-2007, 07:01 PM

And, I told you that I won't stand for injustice. You disrespecting Krang in his own house is childish and quite risky. He's the one with the authority around here, so you should be thanking your lucky stars that he's benevolent enough to let it slide. Perhaps you've gained respect for me, but I've lost respect for you.

How am I disrespecting him? Just because you don't kiss someone's ass doesn't mean you don't respect someone. I respect Krang just fine, I even decided to drop the whole thing but you people seem stuck on bringing it up.

Really it's over, end it. I was being an ass I'll stop.

Jo Dawn

10-12-2007, 07:22 PM

Yeah pe[/ople in the general public seem to hate the new turtles all together not just Fast Foward though so I'm thinking you're comments are a bit biased.

Not really... Around here they really got into it. Little kids were again buying the backpacks and watching it and pretending to be them. *shrugs* Maybe that was just here, maybe not. All I know is how it was; people brought them up to me working in stores and everything. It was pretty popular here again.

Nice to see you well enough to be modding again though. ;)

Bah, you just wanna debate. ;) And actually, I don't. Man, I feel awful, heh. But thanks.

ToTheNines

10-12-2007, 07:32 PM

Not really... Around here they really got into it. Little kids were again buying the backpacks and watching it and pretending to be them. *shrugs* Maybe that was just here, maybe not. All I know is how it was; people brought them up to me working in stores and everything. It was pretty popular here again.

I think he meant people old enough to remember the old TMNT, but yep I've seen a few little turtle fans around my area.

Jo Dawn

10-12-2007, 07:39 PM

Well, there were them, also... Hence why I mentioned people working the stores. People (older fans) here reacted well to the show. Heck, I had to get through adults to get to the 2K3 toys! There were alot more older fans of 2K3 than younger, to be sure. Well, here, at least. I cant really speak for anywhere else, haha. But when it turned to FF, both older and younger fans kinda bottomed out here. *shrugs* Just the way it goes, I guess.

EDIT - Eh, but I wont bring it up anymore. People are pretty dead set on thinking it's not this way, so I'll chalk it up to this area of the country being different than the rest, and be quiet, since no one believes me anyhow, hehe.

Krang

10-13-2007, 02:58 AM

(Krang, I love how all of a sudden you pop out of nowhere to end whatever fighting has occurred, yet I barely see you post about anything in the threads, you lurker you ;) lol)
:D

Actually I was doing just fine on the subject till you brought it back up. Even talked to Gobo in some PMs.
[...]
I already agreed to be nicer on here, honestly bringing this up now is like throwing stones at a monster who decided to stop attacking people.
Could've fooled me, because regardless of what happened in private, you made no indication whatsoever on the forums that you would improve your attitude at the time. In fact, your last post prior to mine indicated the exact opposite:
Here I can fly off the handle and it's just online so there's no hurt feelings. I guess that's why I'm okay with being a dick here.
And that's the only reason I brought it up again. However, since you posted this...
Really it's over, end it. I was being an ass I'll stop.
...you can consider the issue dropped. I hope that your improvement in behavior means that you will also try to avoid making generalizations against the entire forums, as that is not fair to the 99+% of the members who have nothing to do with it.

Actually Krang It is true there are tuns of battles going on behind our backs with this show that half the board doesn't know a thing about between Peter Laird and the other involved they just can't come to terms with what they want from this show.
And the fans comments affect things more than you know.
You're absolutely right on both points. I just took exception to the fact that he blamed what happened to Fast Forward entirely on these forums. I can't deny that there were some negative comments posted here, but people also need to take into consideration the many other sources of negativity toward FF, such as other message boards and comments from fans who don't even have internet access.

Spitfire

10-13-2007, 03:49 AM

Being sarcastic and grouping are the biggest problems I have. My extremely low opinion on most of mankind contribute to that. I like to bag on media zombies and I tend to get pissed when people don't enjoy intelligent entertainment.

This pertains nothing to the subjects we just spoke on. So yeah I'll work on those.

And for the record my comments about the series ending and volume 4 were stabs at the fanbase as a whole not just the message board. I'm very well aware there's alot of fans who aren't on this message board. If there were only 3,203 turtles fans out there in the world I'd be really worried.

BubblyShell22

10-15-2007, 09:19 AM

Hey, I love a good debate, but arguing isn't nice. However, Spitfire is explaining his actions and trying to improve. I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

Besides, it's merely opinion anyway. I don't like Fast Forward, but I wasn't saying that it was gonna suck before I saw it. I gave it a chance, and I didn't like it at all. I admit that there could be worse things, but that battle cry annoys me. I'm sorry, but I just hate it. "Let's Turtlelize 'em!" wasn't that bad because it wasn't said all the time. If "It's Ninja Time!" had been used sparingly, I wouldn't have minded it. However, it was said so much that it got on my nerves.

gobo

10-15-2007, 06:12 PM

Here's a better battle-cry: "Give 'em hell! Give 'em shell! Give 'em a story they won't live to tell!" That was Vincent's awesome idea (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=639758&songID=4782024)... But, he hasn't been around for months, so let's steal it. ^_^

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-16-2007, 07:18 AM

I like it. Too true, sadly.

BubblyShell22

10-16-2007, 01:49 PM

Hmm. Gobo, that sounds cool, but I doubt it would happen.

Coola Yagami

10-16-2007, 02:07 PM

What the hell??? The turtles battle cry was 'Turtle Power!' They must have used 'let's turtleize em' like... once or twice during the entire series run.

It's Ninja Time is just stupid. They ARE Ninjas. They don't just.. stop becoming ninjas and then 'transform into ninjas' when the time comes. Plus, after 4 seasons of TMNT kickin ass without a stupid battle cry, choosing fast Forward as the time to say it's ninja time is a little too late.

BubblyShell22

10-17-2007, 08:46 AM

My point exactly. They don't need a battle cry to fight. We see them pull out their weapons which is an indication that they're gonna kick serious butt.

odupianist

10-17-2007, 10:40 AM

clockstomper

10-17-2007, 11:18 AM

The Ninja time thing is not such a big deal to me...what bothers me is the amount of sway Playmates has over the direction of the show. They have an unhealthy obsession with 'themed' waves, even though they've failed miserably in the past (Paleo Patrol) is one such instance.

The original plan of the 2K3 line was great, sprinkle in obscure characters with Turtle Variants based on the show. They abandoned this 2 years into the line and worse they started making up their own stupid theme lines, right when the show was giving them plenty of variant choices (The Fantastic Four parody of the Turtles or the future Turtles from Same as it Never Was.)

The point being that once Playmates is tired of whatever the next incarnation of the TMNT comes next they'll demand they reformat the show yet again once they're bored with the new gimmick. Again, complainers have no pull over decisions to reformat...it's Playmates that has all the pull.

Mutated Leo

10-17-2007, 12:00 PM

Spitfire

10-17-2007, 01:21 PM

Yelling "Ninja Time" destroys the whole "Strike hard and fade away" aspect of being a ninja. You can't take your enemies by surprise and stealthy like if you yell "Ninja Time" before you jump out of the shadows.

Their in the future, they don't need to be ninjas anymore. The thing is they never yell it while surprise attacking someone, they yell it right before their jumping into kicking the crap out of someone.

They can walk the streets freely, they can do whatever they want, they went from living in dirty conditions to living in the best conditions they possibly could.

I honestly wonder how going back is going to affect them. For one they can't take their weapons, I hope they don't, they just to powerful. And their going to go back to living in the sewers/abandoned buildings.

Tinuvielsdreams

10-17-2007, 05:57 PM

well they have been in sewers for a much longer time. I think they may resent the fact in the past they can't live as openly as in the future but I don't think it will take much adjusting. You are talking about the turtles that have been in space, the prehistoric and all over time and alter dimensions. I don't think they are phased anymore ;)

gobo

10-18-2007, 02:49 PM

What the hell??? The turtles battle cry was 'Turtle Power!' They must have used 'let's turtleize em' like... once or twice during the entire series run.
Actually, it was more like three or four times. :D
Yelling "Ninja Time" destroys the whole "Strike hard and fade away" aspect of being a ninja. You can't take your enemies by surprise and stealthy like if you yell "Ninja Time" before you jump out of the shadows.
Unless they're deaf. :goof:
I honestly wonder how going back is going to affect them. For one they can't take their weapons, I hope they don't, they just to powerful. And their going to go back to living in the sewers/abandoned buildings.well they have been in sewers for a much longer time. I think they may resent the fact in the past they can't live as openly as in the future but I don't think it will take much adjusting. You are talking about the turtles that have been in space, the prehistoric and all over time and alter dimensions. I don't think they are phased anymore ;)
Wow... That's one joke that could easily spawn an entire fanfic. Raph, being upset that he has to go back to a life of hiding, exclaims, "I loved the future! :tcry:" :lol:

odupianist

10-18-2007, 03:25 PM

Unless they're deaf.

Oooh good call. But nah, the censors would be all over that because we can't attack "handicapped" people. Jeez, leave it to them to take all the fun out of beating up disabled people. Poo *kicks a stone*

Wow... That's one joke that could easily spawn an entire fanfic. Raph, being upset that he has to go back to a life of hiding, exclaims, "I loved the future! "

Noo, I don't want to hear Raph complain anymore. He's the tough turtle. No whining.

Jo Dawn

10-20-2007, 11:14 AM

Their in the future, they don't need to be ninjas anymore.

Then I wonder why they even keep the name on the title... ;)

They can walk the streets freely, they can do whatever they want, they went from living in dirty conditions to living in the best conditions they possibly could.

Which took everything away from them, I think. That, or it was handled horribly.

I honestly wonder how going back is going to affect them. For one they can't take their weapons, I hope they don't, they just to powerful. And their going to go back to living in the sewers/abandoned buildings.

If they keep those awful future crap things, I will definitely quit watching for good. I think the going back to the sewers could be an interesting storyline, and if handled well, could be quite poignant.

I don't hold out much hope for that, though.

gobo

02-02-2008, 08:15 AM

Best ep of Fast Forward, IMO.

Scandia

02-02-2008, 11:13 AM

Definitely one of the best episodes indeed. And not just because it is a Leo-centered episode. It has some great themes and morals. And it is engaging- it does not come off as preachy.

Lady Venus

02-02-2008, 03:48 PM

I tohught it was a great ep. I loved it!

Zog

02-10-2008, 05:03 PM

Revan

02-10-2008, 05:31 PM

I also thought the episode was great! Kinda unrelated question, can anyone tell me what comic the dark turtles were in, and even better where to find pics of the toys of them. But not the fast forward toys, the "original" ones where they were the same colored skins as their counter parts, anyone know what I'm talking about? Greatly appreciated.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/kalaneutrino/darkdon.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/kalaneutrino/darkmike.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/kalaneutrino/Dark-Leo.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/kalaneutrino/Dark-Raph.jpg

Zog

02-10-2008, 05:41 PM

Wow thanks Neutrino, you got to that extremely quick! Not to make you feel unappreciated, but I was just coming back to this topic to edit, because I finally found pics of the toys, but the ones you did post are actually in high resolution. So thank you for that. I'd give you props and rep if I could, but greatly appreciated!

Anyone know the comic they appeared in or have any pics of that by any chance? And have names ever came up? I assumed not, besides Dark ______. Just curious and thanks again Neutrino.

gobo

02-10-2008, 09:59 PM

Comics they appeared in? Meaning the UK magazine comics?? Otherwise, I'm confused...

Zog

02-11-2008, 11:12 PM

Hmm, I thought they appeared in some comics first Mirage? I'm not sure, before they appeared in Fast Forward. Anyone know? If not, then not only do I look stupid but I'm definitely feelin it.

Spitfire

02-11-2008, 11:34 PM

There were never evil turtle clones in the comics.

VaughnMichael

02-12-2008, 12:14 AM

There were never evil turtle clones in the comics.
Just in tournament Fighters :evilgrin:

Slash

02-12-2008, 05:35 AM

Didn't Ryan Brown do a similar one that looked like a blue Dark Raphael fighting Leonardo in the Mirage Portfolio gallery?

VaughnMichael

02-12-2008, 12:10 PM

Didn't Ryan Brown do a similar one that looked like a blue Dark Raphael fighting Leonardo in the Mirage Portfolio gallery?
can't says I've seen it.
Oh wait are you talking about tht big turquoise turtle thats sneeking up behind leo?
One of my fave images...never thought of it as a clone though.

Slash

02-12-2008, 01:43 PM

Putrescent, any chance you can scan that in or find it online? I think we are talking about the same thing...

Revan

02-12-2008, 01:45 PM

can't says I've seen it.
Oh wait are you talking about tht big turquoise turtle thats sneeking up behind leo?
One of my fave images...never thought of it as a clone though.

what issue is that from?

Zog

02-12-2008, 01:51 PM

Never in the comics? Oh hmm, I don't know where I got that idea from then. Second on finding the image, sounds a like a sight.

VaughnMichael

02-12-2008, 02:35 PM

what issue is that from?
Not an issue it's in the Mirage portfolio.

Revan

02-12-2008, 03:41 PM

Not an issue it's in the Mirage portfolio.

Is that online? I would like to take a look at it.

VaughnMichael

02-12-2008, 03:55 PM

Is that online? I would like to take a look at it.
Of course they have every image from the portfolio on the official site but that one...would be to convenient wouldn't it? lol
I have it myself by not with me, I'm sure Rose has it.

The Boardman

02-16-2008, 06:40 AM

Well I have been away for a while, and honestly surprise at the positive responds of this episode. It was one of my calmer story, more about characters than sword playing. I didn't think you guys were going to like it so much therefore I'm Glad It was certainly easier to draw than my "Timing is Everything" and " Fall Of Darius Dunn"!!!!!

Don't worry that FF is over, there will be more coming up in the near future, so stay tune.

Excuse my grammar

YOUR PAL,

THE BOARDMAN

CyberCubed

02-16-2008, 08:45 AM

Nice to know, Boardman. I hope Season 7 in the Fall turns out to be really good! :)

The Boardman

02-16-2008, 09:31 AM

Well, Some of you may enjoy seen some comparisons from Storyboard to TV show of the "TMNT Show". Here is my Blog. In there are some storyboards panels before Fast Forward ended.
Toward the End there are some sisde to side comparison of "Bad Day" Boards as well.
Enjoy,

The Boardman

VaughnMichael

02-16-2008, 12:36 PM

wo wo wo wo wo wo!!! THE DEVIL & DR. STOCKMAN!!:o
Is this a new episode? Or one that didn't get made???
From the storyboards alone that looks amazing!
Oh it's from Fast Forward I guess we won't be seeing it then?
So Fast Forward is totally done then yes?
It's quite crazy that Triceraton looking Shredder.
Wow that design for Sh'okanabo is so crazy and differnt from what we got in the show!
I seriously can't wait to see more from you man, you do great work!