this time i really made a big discovery!hoohoo!

[syd]

does any remeber the Outbreak in Season4?
i just went over again that epid and found a staggering fact that donnie has a thing with his big brother leo.bang!how dramatic is that,but of course it is through deduction step by step and just a theory.and i can adduce neither anything to prove my theory nor to retort it.to introduce how it works,i shell present several lines in the questioned epid.

in this epid,leo had came back home from the ancient JP with some treasures he gained from that pop,in a word,he have changed.like he said to mikey in the sewer as they four were looking for new palce to settle in,
"channge is goood."
then raph mocked:"oh is that official ancient one wisdom?"
this dialogue is very important for it paved the way for the next event.
in this talk we are told that leo has changed and most probablely advanced.in another word,out stands from the raph the mikey and the donnie.

then there was the outbreak exploreing,as u may remeber,leo was in obvious easy fighting with the gaint bugs solo while the other three were busy at helping each other out.
an considerable event here is that raph came to donnie's rescue twice,while there was zero shot of leo at the same time,in fact,throughout the entire battle,leo only got one amezing shot described how beautifully he beat the crap out of the bug.that's veeeeery impressive.:roll:
one may wonder why the other three bothers particularly got so many shots of cooperation,something he hates to admit but the fact is that leo was alienated,just after he came back from his special trainning.

immediately after this event,donnie became active more than the ever.also concievable line is from mikey:
"hey don,why don' t y just take it easy"
here he suggested that donnie had been overexited at something.
in this case,he was adjusting their securtiy system against thoes cockroaches.
and also impressive line from donnie himself ,in a confident and vigorous tone:
"good,my analysis is finished,i got a sample from the tip raph took out,something about the ooz is familiar,i compared it to...blah blah blah and i was RIGHT!"
as his last word came out the leo showed up,silently,and in extreme composure he replied:
"right about what,your theory?"...
as you can see here,i think i have nothing more to interpret.with the previous events stimulating,their relationship is clear as a crystal clear.things looked like that donnie had a competation with leo,because he wanted to gather the other brothers,well,probablely raph remained only (as mikey goes with the majority always), thus he particularly pointed out (to leo) that "RAPH took out",he was drawing someone to HIS side.
well,it is understandable even one thinks with his knee that in this team the only one that can survive and adapt to the similarity of leo is donnie.

up to now,everything is clear as shell,the lines of these chars are under strict
procedure of design and selection of our visonary turtle makers.i might not as many kids might not do in the past recognize these amazing dialogues when i was very young,but now is changed...

i want to say that every line of them is elaborately invented and usefull for the whole story,it objectively reflects the ideas of its great designers.

finally,i want to addthat in this way i came to the (theoritical)conclusion that donnie had sorta animosity against leo.:lol:...
uhoh,jump back and kiss my self.

[Jester]

Right....what I understood I totally disagree with. Donnie isn't trying to take over, that's so not his personality. Of all the Turtles, Donnie's the most likely to be a loner. Though Raph may be a hot head, he also loves his family and couldn't live alone.

[Spitfire]

Out of that I somehow got that he's saying Don has sexual feelings towards Leo:o

[KROW]

What is this psycho babble?

and i can adduce neither anything to prove my theory nor to retort it.

So, in other words, you're just blowing smoke here.

uhoh,jump back and kiss my self.

"Uh oh" is right, and furthermore, "Yikes."

[gobo]

It's like LogicDonny trying to do a tOkKa impression...

[syd]

Out of that I somehow got that he's saying Don has sexual feelings towards Leo:o

excuse me?!how many "SEX" u have said since u were born?

It's like LogicDonny trying to do a tOkKa impression...

like i shoulda keep a slung dictionary around me all the time.*dizzy*

[syd]

What is this psycho babble?
oh u have that time to ornate ur letters but not put down something usefull?



So, in other words, you're just blowing smoke here.

no!im waiting for ur prove or retort.it's a disscussion,remeber?
[QUOTE=KROW;567337]
"Uh oh" is right, and furthermore, "Yikes."
u can keep on mock at that,but if u are not gonna on topic...:evil:

[Leonardo Mystic]

*scratches head* I'm not sure I got all that. *tries to piece together what she can decipher* So are you saying that Don is jealous of Leo, or... what? Because if you are, then I whole-heartedly disagree.

Seems to me that Don confides a lot in Leo because he knows Leo will understand it, although maybe not quite on the same level. He still knows what's going on.

In Good Genes, Leo knew about the helicopter Don was working on, where as Raph and Mikey didn't. And who tranquilizes Donny when he went on a rampage in Bishop's base in the same episode? Again, Leo. They do seem to have a strong brotherly bond, but it's a different kind than say what Leo and Raph have or with Mikey. Leo respects Don, and Don likewise respects him, but I don't think they interact too much unless Donny needs his input or something. They pretty much give each other their space.

[VaughnMichael]

Ok I've gotta ask. Where are you from? Because you're not making much sense at all.

[triplexxx]

does any remeber the Outbreak in Season4?
i just went over again that epid and found a staggering fact that donnie has a thing with his big brother leo.bang!how dramatic is that,but of course it is through deduction step by step and just a theory.and i can adduce neither anything to prove my theory nor to retort it.to introduce how it works,i shell present several lines in the questioned epid.

in this epid,leo had came back home from the ancient JP with some treasures he gained from that pop,in a word,he have changed.like he said to mikey in the sewer as they four were looking for new palce to settle in,
"channge is goood."
then raph mocked:"oh is that official ancient one wisdom?"
this dialogue is very important for it paved the way for the next event.
in this talk we are told that leo has changed and most probablely advanced.in another word,out stands from the raph the mikey and the donnie.

then there was the outbreak exploreing,as u may remeber,leo was in obvious easy fighting with the gaint bugs solo while the other three were busy at helping each other out.
an considerable event here is that raph came to donnie's rescue twice,while there was zero shot of leo at the same time,in fact,throughout the entire battle,leo only got one amezing shot described how beautifully he beat the crap out of the bug.that's veeeeery impressive.:roll:
one may wonder why the other three bothers particularly got so many shots of cooperation,something he hates to admit but the fact is that leo was alienated,just after he came back from his special trainning.

immediately after this event,donnie became active more than the ever.also concievable line is from mikey:
"hey don,why don' t y just take it easy"
here he suggested that donnie had been overexited at something.
in this case,he was adjusting their securtiy system against thoes cockroaches.
and also impressive line from donnie himself ,in a confident and vigorous tone:
"good,my analysis is finished,i got a sample from the tip raph took out,something about the ooz is familiar,i compared it to...blah blah blah and i was RIGHT!"
as his last word came out the leo showed up,silently,and in extreme composure he replied:
"right about what,your theory?"...
as you can see here,i think i have nothing more to interpret.with the previous events stimulating,their relationship is clear as a crystal clear.things looked like that donnie had a competation with leo,because he wanted to gather the other brothers,well,probablely raph remained only (as mikey goes with the majority always), thus he particularly pointed out (to leo) that "RAPH took out",he was drawing someone to HIS side.
well,it is understandable even one thinks with his knee that in this team the only one that can survive and adapt to the similarity of leo is donnie.

up to now,everything is clear as shell,the lines of these chars are under strict
procedure of design and selection of our visonary turtle makers.i might not as many kids might not do in the past recognize these amazing dialogues when i was very young,but now is changed...

i want to say that every line of them is elaborately invented and usefull for the whole story,it objectively reflects the ideas of its great designers.

finally,i want to addthat in this way i came to the (theoritical)conclusion that donnie had sorta animosity against leo.:lol:...
uhoh,jump back and kiss my self.
And your point is...In Good Genes, Leo knew about the helicopter Don was working on, where as Raph and Mikey didn't. And who tranquilizes Donny when he went on a rampage in Bishop's base in the same episode? Again, Leo. I think everyone knew about it, they were all there when they stole it, they just didn't bring up the subject until deciding to go after Bishop and having Leatherhead tell them where Bishop was since he was the only one who knew. And being the one to tranquilize him was purely random, anybody could've administered that (not the villains of course).

[Spitfire]

excuse me?!how many "SEX" u have said since u were born?

I lost count, my X and me were like Rabbits, her roommate and me were like that to.

[Leonardo Mystic]

And your point is...I think everyone knew about it, they were all there when they stole it, they just didn't bring up the subject until deciding to go after Bishop and having Leatherhead tell them where Bishop was since he was the only one who knew. And being the one to tranquilize him was purely random, anybody could've administered that (not the villains of course).

Uh, look, pal, I was just offering my point of view, that's all.

Anyway, why the explanation then if they all knew? "This is what Don was working on before he..." Seems to me from that implication right there no one else knew he was working on it.

And if any one of them at random could've tranquilized Don, as you say, then why was Leo chosen?

[triplexxx]

Um, Ok, a POV is a POV, I'm not denying anyone that.

Leonardo has kind of a habit of stating the obvious from time to time if you notice. Also, Leatherhead wasn't there in Insane in the Membrane, so he probably hadn't been told about the helicopter yet.

Well...cause like I said, it was a random choice.

[syd]

Uh, look, pal, I was just offering my point of view, that's all.

Anyway, why the explanation then if they all knew? "This is what Don was working on before he..." Seems to me from that implication right there no one else knew he was working on it.

And if any one of them at random could've tranquilized Don, as you say, then why was Leo chosen?

because the other 2 would only add more rampages there.

And your point is...).

*deep breath*my point is: in the very beginning[quate=syd] i just went over again that epid and found a staggering fact that donnie has a thing with his big brother leo.[/QUOTE];in the middle of my satement[quate=syd]things looked like that donnie had a competation with leo,[/QUOTE];and in the end[quate=syd]finally,i want to addthat in this way i came to the (theoritical)conclusion that donnie had sorta animosity against leo....[/QUOTE]

I lost count, my X and me were like Rabbits, her roommate and me were like that to.

when u saw this kinda reply,the point in ny statment suddenly became pretty clear.

[triplexxx]

[deleted].......

[odupianist]

So Donnie is cheating on Leatherhead with Leo....? Seriously though, where are you from?

[syd]

hello,im from japan,why?0xo

[Fledermaus]

I was starting to think you were either a child or mentally impaired based on your hard-to-follow writing. The name "syd" coupled with a pic in your signature gave the impression that you were possibly a teenage/adult Caucasian, possibly American, but now we know. And now I will read your posts with more patience. :)

That said, I can't see how one shred of the "evidence" you set forth supports your theory. Leo tranquilized Don because he saw it as his duty to protect his brothers, to take on the the task requiring the highest degree of responsibility. Philia love, not eros love.

One could also prove that Raph has a "thing" for Leo or Splinter for April based on this logic.

[triplexxx]

because the other 2 would only add more rampages there.

*deep breath*my point is: in the very beginning....i just went over again that epid and found a staggering fact that donnie has a thing with his big brother leo. in the middle of my satement........things looked like that donnie had a competation with leo, and in the end, finally,i want to add that in this way i came to the (theoritical)conclusion that donnie had sorta animosity against leo...I don't think so, Raphael and Michaelangelo love their brother as much as he does and believe in getting the job done.

I see the point, but no good proof. Donatello's not the type to put on airs or get full of himself like Leoanrdo or Michaelangelo sometimes, but he does take some pride in his scientific accomplishments which is no big deal. He works hard probably just because he believes in...as stated below...protecting his brothers, since it's everyone's responsibility.
Leo tranquilized Don because he saw it as his duty to protect his brothers, to take on the the task requiring the highest degree of responsibility. Philia love, not eros love.
Of course its his duty to protect his brothers, it's every turtles responsibility to do that. So it still could've been anyone.

[Sage Ninja]

geez you guys you are being a little bit rude to the guy. Relax. Although do admit that I had the hardest time understanding what it is you wrote there Syd, it was barely legiable. I am in no way in a position to critisis, since I make my fair share of spelling errors and habitually write big bodies of text on a regular basis, but maybe you should slow down when you type and break up bodies of text by starting a new paragraph instead of just writing words into each other, or merly starting new sentices instead of going like this:

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it's a little hard on the eyes and difficult to read when you are writing a lot. By the way I am in no shape or form trying to put you down or trying to make fun of you. If you think my comments on how you type are off base and/or insulting then I want to apologise right now because that is not my intention.

But to answer your question No I don't think that Leo and Don have a rivilary going on but I do think they are very close. I think these two are closer than what is led to believe on screen and it would be nice to see these two pair up and interact more with out having Raphael and Mikey's immaturity interfereing. However it would be interesting if these two developed a slight competion of sorts between the two of them. They are easily the smartest and most startigistically minded of the four, so that could be cool to see.

[Spitfire]

when u saw this kinda reply,the point in ny statment suddenly became pretty clear.

The point of your statement is to try and call me a virgin nerd on a message board who doesn't know what sexual contact is. And your point is rather invalid, rather you choose to believe me or not.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

This is the most bizarre thread I've ever read on here, or on the Internet in some time. Everything from this odd story in the beginning to way too much information on people's sex lives.

What happened to threads where we speculated on which turtles was most likely to dress like Santa at Christmastime and the favorite holiday of each turtle? :(

[gobo]

The reason Leo was chosen to administer the injection was because he is the stealthiest amongst the brothers. The element of surprise is very important in that situation.

As for the rest of the thread... :sweatdro: I was never here.

[triplexxx]

He was chosen 'cause Leatherhead happened to ask him to go get the gun. Any were stealthy enough to do it.

[Sewer Bull]

that huge OT I only skimmed

Kid, you're obsessed with sex even more than I am.

That scares me.

[syd]

I was starting to think you were either a child or mentally impaired based on your hard-to-follow writing. The name "syd" coupled with a pic in your signature gave the impression that you were possibly a teenage/adult Caucasian, possibly American, but now we know. And now I will read your posts with more patience. :)

That said, I can't see how one shred of the "evidence" you set forth supports your theory. Leo tranquilized Don because he saw it as his duty to protect his brothers, to take on the the task requiring the highest degree of responsibility. Philia love, not eros love.

One could also prove that Raph has a "thing" for Leo or Splinter for April based on this logic.

well im flattered!:sick:
but u will excuse me that i shell point out to u that actually and initially,never did i intend to prove or even assume something like leo has eros love to donnie.
furthermore,as u may patiently see that both in the beginning and the end of my theory,my point sentence were given.now if u r so kind to follow my finger---[finally....]
apart from all,i can't imagine what logic u use to prove that one can reason that raph has a thing for leo or splinter for april based on MY logic.
's friggy rediculous!when did i prove that "thing"?when?

Kid, you're obsessed with sex even more than I am.

That scares me.

HELLO?!

u want a piece of me?uh?

This is the most bizarre thread I've ever read on here, or on the Internet in some time. Everything from this odd story in the beginning to way too much information on people's sex lives.

What happened to threads where we speculated on which turtles was most likely to dress like Santa at Christmastime and the favorite holiday of each turtle? :(

the best thing to be a grow up,u kno,is u never have to explain everything.

The point of your statement is to try and call me a virgin nerd on a message board who doesn't know what sexual contact is. And your point is rather invalid, rather you choose to believe me or not.

excuse me AGAIN?!ox0
first of all if u mean THAT point of mine aka how many SEX have u said since u were born,what i meant to say is i really hate someone who thinks he is a chick killer and talk a world of sex all the time.maybe it is the division between esten and westen culture,i just can't agree that a guy shoulda think of sex,gal,sex,gal frequently to demonstrate that he is a man.knowing sex well doesn't amount to he or she is not a kid any more.there's no direct link between them.and i think that being a virgin is nothing to be ashamed of,should he gets more important things in his life,such as firendship,dreams and the like.im not saying that gals are not attractive,but it's just thinking all about them is...i don't wanna use that word,i shell say not my style.
we gather around thetechnodrome from all over the world to share ideas about tmnt,because we love their respectable brother bond,their family bond,their adventure,their fighting for justice and friends no matter what await them next...why will someone mainline this turtle's sexual intention toward that turtle or their gay preferrance or something?if he was complaining about the shortage of big knockers in tmnt go and find himself some ero anime on emule or anywhere.this is just not that kinda commercial work that depends on selling knockers or gays whatsoever.
besides,what's the matter should they have romantic feeling toward each other?well that makes u puke?if u are true fan of tmnt surely u will not mind that trifle?even if u do,from any rate,they deserv no shame at all.too many things r more worth to notice than having homo sex with ur brother that shell infuriate u and suck u in.such as trust.do u have any idea what my point is?

and to clear my initial point:'both in the beginning and the end of my theory,my point sentence were given."i can't see how u missed it,perhaps u may illuminate in ur next defence.

I don't think so, Raphael and Michaelangelo love their brother as much as he does and believe in getting the job done.

I see the point, but no good proof. Donatello's not the type to put on airs or get full of himself like Leoanrdo or Michaelangelo sometimes, but he does take some pride in his scientific accomplishments which is no big deal. He works hard probably just because he believes in...as stated below...protecting his brothers, since it's everyone's responsibility.
Of course its his duty to protect his brothers, it's every turtles responsibility to do that. So it still could've been anyone.
oh yea...protecting his brothers his family,sure he will.but i really doubt that one as intelligent as donnie merely has so simple a side of his personality.as we kno,no one is perfect.one pays so much efforts in science,technology,almost everything,do u really believe thoes r all for his family?in ideal,it could be,but in practice,only God afford this.if i was 11 or so i probablely thought of him like that,no offence,but now i painfully can not afford that sorta logic.

geez you guys you are being a little bit rude to the guy. Relax. Although do admit that I had the hardest time understanding what it is you wrote there Syd, it was barely legiable. I am in no way in a position to critisis, since I make my fair share of spelling errors and habitually write big bodies of text on a regular basis, but maybe you should slow down when you type and break up bodies of text by starting a new paragraph instead of just writing words into each other, or merly starting new sentices instead of going like this:

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ejiewjhjitewhoirewhtoihroiewhjroiwioiwoit
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it's a little hard on the eyes and difficult to read when you are writing a lot. By the way I am in no shape or form trying to put you down or trying to make fun of you. If you think my comments on how you type are off base and/or insulting then I want to apologise right now because that is not my intention.

But to answer your question No I don't think that Leo and Don have a rivilary going on but I do think they are very close. I think these two are closer than what is led to believe on screen and it would be nice to see these two pair up and interact more with out having Raphael and Mikey's immaturity interfereing. However it would be interesting if these two developed a slight competion of sorts between the two of them. They are easily the smartest and most startigistically minded of the four, so that could be cool to see.

boy,tha't right!finally someone got my point!*shake hands*
and thank u for ur advice.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Really why are we talking about anybody's sex life in the first place? No offense, but unless I'm reading a thread specifically about relationships I don't care who is able to score left and right and who is still a virgin.

I agree with you Syd, that we are a little too preoccupied with sex sometimes. I mean, it really shouldn't matter if you're a virgin or not. I blame the media.:lol:

Really though, it is kind of their fault that sex is so darn hyped up, when really there are bigger things to worry about and other things people should concern themselves with.

[Cure]

http://www.drinkstuff.com/productimg/21189_large.jpg

That's how I roll.

[syd]

y r rolling.

[triplexxx]

oh yea...protecting his brothers his family,sure he will.but i really doubt that one as intelligent as donnie merely has so simple a side of his personality.as we kno,no one is perfect.one pays so much efforts in science,technology,almost everything,do u really believe thoes r all for his family?in ideal,it could be,but in practice,only God afford this.if i was 11 or so i probablely thought of him like that,no offence,but now i painfully can not afford that sorta logic.I'm not saying he's perfect, it's just from what I've seen in the shows, a huge majority of his scientific endeavors are directed towards either the comfort or protection of his family and innocent people he and his brothers help.

[Fledermaus]

You make so many claims that are correct, in and of themselves, but that have no relevance whatsoever to supporting your big discovery. Yes Don is way into science and inventing new things. He has great passion for it. Therefore...? Another example (I could pull up many more but that would take all night.)

we gather around thetechnodrome from all over the world to share ideas about tmnt,because we love their respectable brother bond,their family bond,their adventure,their fighting for justice and friends no matter what await them next

Um, okay. Obviously. Very deep, tugs at my heartstrings and all. But what does that have to do with anything? Instead of answering questions, you distract us with random truisms.

This is starting to remind me of that one South Park episode, Chinpokomon.

Sorry for the harshness brotha but it's really important that you be as clear as can be -- spell it out. Right now your enthusiasm is drowning out the sense behind your "arguing." Trust me -- I know the pain that results from neglecting one's audience. Don't expect people to bend over backwards to decipher your "deeper meaning." It just doesn't work that way.

If you were to sum up your claims in a few simple sentences, I assure you, there would be less confusion.

I have no idea how much this is actually sinking in, so I'll take my leave from this thread. Good luck to ya. ;)

[Spitfire]

excuse me AGAIN?!ox0
first of all if u mean THAT point of mine aka how many SEX have u said since u were born,what i meant to say is i really hate someone who thinks he is a chick killer and talk a world of sex all the time.maybe it is the division between esten and westen culture,i just can't agree that a guy shoulda think of sex,gal,sex,gal frequently to demonstrate that he is a man.knowing sex well doesn't amount to he or she is not a kid any more.there's no direct link between them.and i think that being a virgin is nothing to be ashamed of,should he gets more important things in his life,such as firendship,dreams and the like.im not saying that gals are not attractive,but it's just thinking all about them is...i don't wanna use that word,i shell say not my style.
we gather around thetechnodrome from all over the world to share ideas about tmnt,because we love their respectable brother bond,their family bond,their adventure,their fighting for justice and friends no matter what await them next...why will someone mainline this turtle's sexual intention toward that turtle or their gay preferrance or something?if he was complaining about the shortage of big knockers in tmnt go and find himself some ero anime on emule or anywhere.this is just not that kinda commercial work that depends on selling knockers or gays whatsoever.
besides,what's the matter should they have romantic feeling toward each other?well that makes u puke?if u are true fan of tmnt surely u will not mind that trifle?even if u do,from any rate,they deserv no shame at all.too many things r more worth to notice than having homo sex with ur brother that shell infuriate u and suck u in.such as trust.do u have any idea what my point is?

and to clear my initial point:'both in the beginning and the end of my theory,my point sentence were given."i can't see how u missed it,perhaps u may illuminate in ur next defence.
Jesus H Christ, that is so wow...

My point was why you even brought up my sexual life in the first place in response to a comment saying that maybe you ment Don was gay. That has absolutely nothing to do with my sexual life. Nor do I even want to know why you asked, let alone brought it up.

[Sewer Bull]

HELLO?!

u want a piece of me?uh?


... what the hell?

[syd]

You make so many claims that are correct, in and of themselves, but that have no relevance whatsoever to supporting your big discovery. Yes Don is way into science and inventing new things. He has great passion for it. Therefore...? Another example (I could pull up many more but that would take all night.)



Um, okay. Obviously. Very deep, tugs at my heartstrings and all. But what does that have to do with anything? Instead of answering questions, you distract us with random truisms.

This is starting to remind me of that one South Park episode, Chinpokomon.

Sorry for the harshness brotha but it's really important that you be as clear as can be -- spell it out. Right now your enthusiasm is drowning out the sense behind your "arguing." Trust me -- I know the pain that results from neglecting one's audience. Don't expect people to bend over backwards to decipher your "deeper meaning." It just doesn't work that way.

If you were to sum up your claims in a few simple sentences, I assure you, there would be less confusion.

I have no idea how much this is actually sinking in, so I'll take my leave from this thread. Good luck to ya. ;)

so what now?u just walked in and critisized that i haven been distrating everyone and didn't even give a damn about ur examples that could take u whole night to pull up then ran away wishing me good luck? (sometimes i really hate thoes terms:good luck.sounds stupid.)
u said that i made irrelevant claims to my theory,but never had u explained why they were not relevant.u just said that oh they are alllll damn correct but just cant support the point,and then another example...END.is that ur logic.on the contrary,i v given the entire course of my deduction on "donnie had a thing with leo" this point.can u deny that u'v never seen that?
what's more,look at the reason u use:[Yes Don is way into science and inventing new things. He has great passion for it. Therefore...? ]perhaps u r that kinda of person who never pays attention to others when they were talking with u.i said because donnie is into science thus he has a thing with leo?or thus whatever?did i expond like that?u just have a thing with paying attention to what they say in other people's thread.
and then u began to asperse that i have been distracting u with tuisms.u think im long winded,u dont like tuisms but u dont even understand them urself,don't u think so?otherwise u would not barge in without a glance at my thread and randomly talk about my writting.while im just busy deciphering what sense my enthusiasm's drowning out according to ur really deep insight.
now if u would be so kind to drop by and give one clue...

[syd]

Jesus H Christ, that is so wow...

My point was why you even brought up my sexual life in the first place in response to a comment saying that maybe you ment Don was gay. That has absolutely nothing to do with my sexual life. Nor do I even want to know why you asked, let alone brought it up.

oh like i really care about ur colorful sexual life.:o
why did u tell us ur rabbit-like habit?for it's interesting to kno that i just asked u how many that word u have said.and u told me that u r rabbits.
u really got a good sense of humor.dude.

[Rooish]

Syd, I think I see why Spitfire666xXxXx interpreted your thread as Don having sexual feelings for Leo. At the very start you said you were going to prove that Don has "a thing with" Leo. Sometimes saying that someone has "a thing" for another person means that they have a crush on him. Saying that someone has a thing with someone else means that they are dating or fooling around or whatever. I was confused too; I kept waiting for you to give evidence of sexual tension between the two. Doesn't mean that anyone's obsessed with sex or that Spitty is a "chick killer" or whatever (although seriously, dude -- her roommate, too? Ouch. ;))

Now Syd, what I think you were seeing in that episode was evidence that Raph was trying to lead his brothers while Leo was gone, which is why he was so protective of Don and Mike (not that they usually can't look after themselves :roll:). Probably for no real reason, Leo was distracted by his fighting with the mutants and he got separated from his brothers. Maybe there was a little distance between Leo and the other three when Leo got back, but it quickly dissipated.

I agree with LeonardoMystic's and Sage Ninja's interpretation of Don's and Leo's relationship. I don't think Don would ever want to lead; he is the perfect Number Two and would not be able to deal with Raph's and Mike's disobedience. I think he also tries to help Leo maintain his confidence as leader; when he sees flaws in Leo's strategies, I suspect that he pulls Leo aside to tell him, so that Raph and Mike don't hear.

Because Don is nice, and he knows Leo is a bit insecure about his ability to lead, Don probably keeps quiet when he thinks Leo has made a strategic error, and then Don tries to correct it subtly, so no one notices. This isn't a rivalry, it is Don's attempt to keep Leo feeling secure, even though Don might disagree with Leo more often than he expresses. (That's my theory, anyway.)

I wish they did show Leo's and Don's relationship more in 2k3, because I really like it.

[VaughnMichael]

oh like i really care about ur colorful sexual life.:o
why did u tell us ur rabbit-like habit?for it's interesting to kno that i just asked u how many that word u have said.and u told me that u r rabbits.
u really got a good sense of humor.dude.
And this thread really has not point, is in the wrong section and needs to be locked.
You also need to chill out a bit to other members when they don't understand a word you're babbling on about.
I also got the same thing Spitfire did when reading or at least trying to read what you wrote.
I gave up half way through and then asked you where you're from which makes allot of sense.
People are giving you the benefit of the doubt and yet you still treat them anger.
I also can see why spitfire would think you where talking like that considering you made sexual comments about characters in other threads that no one besides Zarius said anything to you about.

[Wanda]

and also impressive line from donnie himself ,in a confident and vigorous tone:
"good,my analysis is finished,i got a sample from the tip raph took out,something about the ooz is familiar,i compared it to...blah blah blah and i was RIGHT!"

(--)

thus he particularly pointed out (to leo) that "RAPH took out",he was drawing someone to HIS side.

Uh, English isn't my mothertongue and I'm not sure I understand what's this thread about. But I would like to try to bring a new point of view to this spesific part of the matter.

I do some writing myself, including manuscripts for puppet animations. I understand it the way that the line "(--) Raph took out (--)" was written in the story just to tell the audience where Don had gotten that ooze he was investigating. If I remember right, they actually didn't show us Don collecting any samples. So it seems to me a mere way not to confuse the observant viewers.

And I'm the kind of scriptwriter who just loves to write a bunch of little meaningless things in my movies...it's so Hollywood to me that every little thing is so significant to the major plot or something...like when someone drops a pen it's just that s/he could notice a bomb hidden under a table and stuff like that.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Ugh. Why is this still going?

First of all, if Don did have a thing for Leo...wouldn't that be incestuous? :teek:

Second of all, this has gone way off topic, if there even was a clear cut topic in the first place.

[Sage Ninja]

syd's point from what I can glean from all of this (putting aside the incest/gay aspect): Is there a some what of a rivalary between Leo and Don?

And I think most have of us are of agreement that there isn't one because Don is to nice and also confident enough in his own sphere of influence (science/engineering) to tread on Leo's territory, and vise verca.

oh yea...protecting his brothers his family,sure he will.but i really doubt that one as intelligent as donnie merely has so simple a side of his personality.as we kno,no one is perfect.one pays so much efforts in science,technology,almost everything,do u really believe thoes r all for his family?in ideal,it could be,but in practice,only God afford this.if i was 11 or so i probablely thought of him like that,no offence,but now i painfully can not afford that sorta logic

this portion I think syd brings up valid question. Is the mild mannered science guy the only side of to his personality? I think as fans have a tendacy to over simplify and stero-type our turtles by their most promominent defining characterists. I've noticed that Don is easily the nicest and most approuchable turtle in the bunch that lets every one be, but there has been, on occassion, where Don has used his intelliengce and obvious smarts in a mildly condensending sort of way toward the other turtles. In fact there are times where he can be pretty snarky. So he isn't just the nice guy that never sublely puts other down. However, it is rare and it's ushally only subtley done.

[syd]

Syd, I think I see why Spitfire666xXxXx interpreted your thread as Don having sexual feelings for Leo. At the very start you said you were going to prove that Don has "a thing with" Leo. Sometimes saying that someone has "a thing" for another person means that they have a crush on him. Saying that someone has a thing with someone else means that they are dating or fooling around or whatever. I was confused too; I kept waiting for you to give evidence of sexual tension between the two. Doesn't mean that anyone's obsessed with sex or that Spitty is a "chick killer" or whatever (although seriously, dude -- her roommate, too? Ouch. ;))

Now Syd, what I think you were seeing in that episode was evidence that Raph was trying to lead his brothers while Leo was gone, which is why he was so protective of Don and Mike (not that they usually can't look after themselves :roll:). Probably for no real reason, Leo was distracted by his fighting with the mutants and he got separated from his brothers. Maybe there was a little distance between Leo and the other three when Leo got back, but it quickly dissipated.

I agree with LeonardoMystic's and Sage Ninja's interpretation of Don's and Leo's relationship. I don't think Don would ever want to lead; he is the perfect Number Two and would not be able to deal with Raph's and Mike's disobedience. I think he also tries to help Leo maintain his confidence as leader; when he sees flaws in Leo's strategies, I suspect that he pulls Leo aside to tell him, so that Raph and Mike don't hear.

Because Don is nice, and he knows Leo is a bit insecure about his ability to lead, Don probably keeps quiet when he thinks Leo has made a strategic error, and then Don tries to correct it subtly, so no one notices. This isn't a rivalry, it is Don's attempt to keep Leo feeling secure, even though Don might disagree with Leo more often than he expresses. (That's my theory, anyway.)

I wish they did show Leo's and Don's relationship more in 2k3, because I really like it.

now this is more like a debate!i like the way y talk Rooish,u not only point out where my mistake is but also present the whole details of it,why it is not correct,its origin,etc.and u put things into peace and clear unlike someone just buzz in yelling"ur writing is incomperhensible!"then buzz out or just crazily claim its lock on account that it was I who OT in the first place.
i like u Rooish,u brought the light.and although our diverge is there,i just like u.especially ur ava.:)
now i appology for my ignorance of the meaning of that focus sentence in the very beginning of my theory.but it wasn't put down throughout my essay,and at the end of it there was my point too,was that not enough to assist the understanding of that vague line?nothing bad,i just think that at the lest of the lest one shoulda go through the beginning and the end of other's thread before he brings his opinion forward.he who never takes what u say seriously does not show u respect at all.like someone just"oh lock this thread lock this thread pleaze!it's never on topic!"meanwhile all he could add in his reply to this thread was "where are u from?"this type of person really kills me.


Uh, English isn't my mothertongue and I'm not sure I understand what's this thread about. But I would like to try to bring a new point of view to this spesific part of the matter.

I do some writing myself, including manuscripts for puppet animations. I understand it the way that the line "(--) Raph took out (--)" was written in the story just to tell the audience where Don had gotten that ooze he was investigating. If I remember right, they actually didn't show us Don collecting any samples. So it seems to me a mere way not to confuse the observant viewers.

And I'm the kind of scriptwriter who just loves to write a bunch of little meaningless things in my movies...it's so Hollywood to me that every little thing is so significant to the major plot or something...like when someone drops a pen it's just that s/he could notice a bomb hidden under a table and stuff like that.

yes,u r right at some point,that line does play a role of clarifing the facts to viewers,in general speaking,or seperate view.that's why i brought up the previous events and lines all together before exposing this part and coming to an conclusion.
and i agree with u that some apparently looking meaningless things sometimes trun out to be astouishingly significant to the major idea of the visonaries of plot.

Ugh. Why is this still going?

First of all, if Don did have a thing for Leo...wouldn't that be incestuous? :teek:

Second of all, this has gone way off topic, if there even was a clear cut topic in the first place.

keep blowing something about incest,gay...u really think that makes u sexual?

syd's point from what I can glean from all of this (putting aside the incest/gay aspect): Is there a some what of a rivalary between Leo and Don?

And I think most have of us are of agreement that there isn't one because Don is to nice and also confident enough in his own sphere of influence (science/engineering) to tread on Leo's territory, and vise verca.



this portion I think syd brings up valid question. Is the mild mannered science guy the only side of to his personality? I think as fans have a tendacy to over simplify and stero-type our turtles by their most promominent defining characterists. I've noticed that Don is easily the nicest and most approuchable turtle in the bunch that lets every one be, but there has been, on occassion, where Don has used his intelliengce and obvious smarts in a mildly condensending sort of way toward the other turtles. In fact there are times where he can be pretty snarky. So he isn't just the nice guy that never sublely puts other down. However, it is rare and it's ushally only subtley done.

u r right,i meant that donnie had animosity against leo.and u got a objective view.and hey,that's my theory,happy to take challenges.;)

[Sewer Bull]

keep blowing something about incest,gay...u really think that makes u sexual?


Was there really a need to insult him? :roll:

[Masked Ninja]

An interesting thought is brought up here about a less-manifest, more assertive side to Donatello's personality...

...but unfortunately there seems to be a lot of taking-offense-at-nothing and random insults, which are combining to make my head hurt.

[syd]

Was there really a need to insult him? :roll:

no i didn't.why would u take that a insult?

[VaughnMichael]

no i didn't.why would u take that a insult?
It's the way you're wording things man. Everyones taking what you say the wrong way.

[syd]

It's the way you're wording things man. Everyones taking what you say the wrong way.

could u just give a little bit more details about it i beg u,for so far u EVERYONE takes my wording wrong i myself can't get one clue and all.
like that guy,Sewer Bull,i have to mention him,though i hate to mention someone ignore my thread.u kno,that guy frauded some craps as a quotation from my thread,i hate someone fraud me as hell,especially that kinda clumsy fraud.and his fraud is the clumsiest one iv ever seen.even more rediculous thing is that when i asked him about that crap he did to me,he gave a "what the hell?" i wonder what sort of psycho he is.then a while he suddenly emerged and asperse that iv insulted people,and he never said normally like"it's overdone to insult him"or something like that he just kept asking me a damn question illogical enough to kill me every time he replied here.and he can not stop pretending to be so innocent and rolling his big eyeballs in the meantime.what's wrong with him?is he boring?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Isn't this about the 2003 series? Such treads should be moved to http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11.

[Spitfire]

oh like i really care about ur colorful sexual life.:o
why did u tell us ur rabbit-like habit?for it's interesting to kno that i just asked u how many that word u have said.and u told me that u r rabbits.
u really got a good sense of humor.dude.

Not that you'll understand this but it's a phrase. I couldn't begin to count was what I was getting at. And really who counts how many times they've made whoppie? I know I don't.

[VaughnMichael]

could u just give a little bit more details about it i beg u,for so far u EVERYONE takes my wording wrong i myself can't get one clue and all.
like that guy,Sewer Bull,i have to mention him,though i hate to mention someone ignore my thread.u kno,that guy frauded some craps as a quotation from my thread,i hate someone fraud me as hell,especially that kinda clumsy fraud.and his fraud is the clumsiest one iv ever seen.even more rediculous thing is that when i asked him about that crap he did to me,he gave a "what the hell?" i wonder what sort of psycho he is.then a while he suddenly emerged and asperse that iv insulted people,and he never said normally like"it's overdone to insult him"or something like that he just kept asking me a damn question illogical enough to kill me every time he replied here.and he can not stop pretending to be so innocent and rolling his big eyeballs in the meantime.what's wrong with him?is he boring?
Yeah, so um I didn't get any of that.

[GK Punk]

hello,im from japan,why?0xo

So why is your IP Address from China then?

[Ra]

An interesting thought is brought up here about a less-manifest, more assertive side to Donatello's personality...

...but unfortunately there seems to be a lot of taking-offense-at-nothing and random insults, which are combining to make my head hurt.
I second that emotion. I think we aren't really achieving anything from this... *sighs* Just...just stop fighting, okay? No matter how you look at it, things are starting to turn into a full-blown fight.

Okay, after reading through the first post, all I can say is this - Donnie is not holding any contempt against Leo. He may feel a little envious, as most brothers do in their young age, but the two of them usually get along great together.

[Mr. Stay Puft]

http://www.drinkstuff.com/productimg/21189_large.jpg

That's how I roll.

Dude. Why are you posting pictures of my girlfriend?:lol:

[Spitfire]

So why is your IP Address from China then?

He's probably using a wild card, or IP masker. Common practice for people who heavily pirate or get banned alot.

[syd]

i got fed up,if someone like paly fool,do it.i think there still are some good people here would like to be on topic.and i appreciate them.

then... dude Spit,im sorry i confused u by asking u that question,but now u get ur damn reply killed me too.well kinda...even up.0.o
and i like using proxies.get used to it.

and whatever whose girlfriend that atrocious rubber is,i really feel sorry for him.

[Sewer Bull]

could u just give a little bit more details about it i beg u,for so far u EVERYONE takes my wording wrong i myself can't get one clue and all.
like that guy,Sewer Bull,i have to mention him,though i hate to mention someone ignore my thread.u kno,that guy frauded some craps as a quotation from my thread,i hate someone fraud me as hell,especially that kinda clumsy fraud.and his fraud is the clumsiest one iv ever seen.even more rediculous thing is that when i asked him about that crap he did to me,he gave a "what the hell?" i wonder what sort of psycho he is.then a while he suddenly emerged and asperse that iv insulted people,and he never said normally like"it's overdone to insult him"or something like that he just kept asking me a damn question illogical enough to kill me every time he replied here.and he can not stop pretending to be so innocent and rolling his big eyeballs in the meantime.what's wrong with him?is he boring?

Oh well. That mischievous "FRAUD" you're talking about was just a brief summary of the bullcrap you put in your inept Opening Post. Sorry if you didn't catch that, but all I understood from that lengthy incoherent babble was just Donatello having hots for Leonardo - and I think I wasn't the only one.

I have that feeling you have already been on this board, but got banned a long time ago. And now you returned, confusing everyone with your crazy topics and "just accidentally" insulting everyone around with a bad choice of words.

[gobo]

I saw that coming... We aren't trying to be disrespectful by goofing around. We just don't care to look like fools while trying to interpret you.

Back on topic, I agree with Sage and Roo.

[syd]

Oh well. That mischievous "FRAUD" you're talking about was just a brief summary of the bullcrap you put in your inept Opening Post. Sorry if you didn't catch that, but all I understood from that lengthy incoherent babble was just Donatello having hots for Leonardo - and I think I wasn't the only one.

I have that feeling you have already been on this board, but got banned a long time ago. And now you returned, confusing everyone with your crazy topics and "just accidentally" insulting everyone around with a bad choice of words.

that's funny,someone just see all u thread sexually relevant.and they find difficulty to sum up what u thread normally and naturally,they just wanna screw u and waht u thread all the time.and usually this type of person feature that they are hot on maligning u,over and over again,when they are in their stupid mood to reply u,in the meantime,they never admit any mean of themselves they have done to u,or right fraud to be his damn innocent.they even enjoy delutions like calling u insulting everyone to pretend never insulting u,which is the most ironic part of all here.

I saw that coming... We aren't trying to be disrespectful by goofing around. We just don't care to look like fools while trying to interpret you.

Back on topic, I agree with Sage and Roo.

thank u for going back on topic for a second,but i don't feel like i get at the former part,im a little sore in my gorgeous head now.

[Rooish]

Syd, thanks for the compliments. I try to see a person's point and respond to it, and I don't think it's necessary to be aggressive while pointing out someone's mistakes. But I gotta say, what did you mean by this sentence?

keep blowing something about incest,gay...u really think that makes u sexual?

So ... are you calling him gay? And are you using that as an insult? Because that is definitely not cool. And that other part ... I don't even understand. Do you think he's bragging about his sexuality? Because all he did was make the same comprehension mistake that a lot of us did when we read your first post ... we thought you meant that Don had a crush on Leo. Or whatever. Now, I do think people should have tried to read the rest of your post in order to understand it. But maybe your grammar made it too difficult.

[Spitfire]

i got fed up,if someone like paly fool,do it.i think there still are some good people here would like to be on topic.and i appreciate them.

then... dude Spit,im sorry i confused u by asking u that question,but now u get ur damn reply killed me too.well kinda...even up.0.o
and i like using proxies.get used to it.

and whatever whose girlfriend that atrocious rubber is,i really feel sorry for him.

My girlfriend is a him, wowie.

Yes you should feel sorry for them because how I act on here totally reflects my personality in the domain outside of the internet.

Your a strange one kid I'll give you that.

[MoreCowbell5263]

Yeah syd, I really hope you're not calling someone gay and using it as an insult. If it's one thing I hate, it's intolerance, especially when people use politically incorrect and offensive words just to call someone or something stupid. "Gay" and "retarded" used as insults bother me more than anything in the world. It's offensive, immature, and appalling (sp?).

Anyway, yeah, like some people have already said, when you say something like "this guy has a thing for this guy" or "a thing with this guy" it makes it sound like the first guy has a crush on the second one.

I would love to see Leo and Don's relationship explored more as well, but then again, seeing more Don period would make me feel good. I think each turtle has such an interesting relationship with all his brothers individually, so it's always cool to see when the turtles pair up. It seems like Leo and Raph's relationship gets the most attention. I'm not saying it's not an interesting aspect of the turtles, but there are other interesting relationships.

I like how someone, I think it was Roo but I'm not sure, stated that Don is perfectly happy being "Number 2" and supporting Leo. I would like to see Don's leadership abilities tested more often, but I think that's a good analysis of how he feels regarding leadership.

[Cure]

My girlfriend is a him, wowie.

Yes you should feel sorry for them because how I act on here totally reflects my personality in the domain outside of the internet.

Your a strange one kid I'll give you that.

I think he was talking about the doll I put up, saying he felt sorry for me (and MitHizouse) because that's what I use. :lol:

[syd]

Syd, thanks for the compliments. I try to see a person's point and respond to it, and I don't think it's necessary to be aggressive while pointing out someone's mistakes. But I gotta say, what did you mean by this sentence?



So ... are you calling him gay? And are you using that as an insult? Because that is definitely not cool. And that other part ... I don't even understand. Do you think he's bragging about his sexuality? Because all he did was make the same comprehension mistake that a lot of us did when we read your first post ... we thought you meant that Don had a crush on Leo. Or whatever. Now, I do think people should have tried to read the rest of your post in order to understand it. But maybe your grammar made it too difficult.


oh my gooness...im really sorry for that mistakei made,what i meant to say was incest slash gay dot dot dot or incest and gay dot dot dot either way i can't remenber exactly,sometimes i tend to unconciously abbrieviate and or or or slash that kinda of words.i alawys do that,and using ellipse a lot.iv no idea why,i just like using them.
and,right,Rooish,i was not calling him gay,dear me!never do i intend to do that...i mean "mean" to do that,why would i call him gay then?it's illogic...:o
maybe i was just a little nervous at that time and screwed up...
im glad to see u again,Rooish,helping us let up the traffic.i kinda miss u a bit.

My girlfriend is a him, wowie.

Yes you should feel sorry for them because how I act on here totally reflects my personality in the domain outside of the internet.

Your a strange one kid I'll give you that.

im not a KID!and the sonic dude got at it.

[syd]

Yeah syd, I really hope you're not calling someone gay and using it as an insult. If it's one thing I hate, it's intolerance, especially when people use politically incorrect and offensive words just to call someone or something stupid. "Gay" and "retarded" used as insults bother me more than anything in the world. It's offensive, immature, and appalling (sp?).

Anyway, yeah, like some people have already said, when you say something like "this guy has a thing for this guy" or "a thing with this guy" it makes it sound like the first guy has a crush on the second one.

I would love to see Leo and Don's relationship explored more as well, but then again, seeing more Don period would make me feel good. I think each turtle has such an interesting relationship with all his brothers individually, so it's always cool to see when the turtles pair up. It seems like Leo and Raph's relationship gets the most attention. I'm not saying it's not an interesting aspect of the turtles, but there are other interesting relationships.

I like how someone, I think it was Roo but I'm not sure, stated that Don is perfectly happy being "Number 2" and supporting Leo. I would like to see Don's leadership abilities tested more often, but I think that's a good analysis of how he feels regarding leadership.


thank u cowbell,i will remeber that sensitive "one thing" lesson.
and i didn't mean to call him a gay...i swear to God...

for my part, it's one of the most pleasant to see raph and leo paired off,they got that unspoken consensus always,but hey,everyone partner well with leo,i mean,when u get such a talant brain of leadership u r never gonna worry about the release of ur potentials,he just knows the way of dealing with every kinda of person and allocating each of their gifts effectively,dude,was i exalting him again.i gotta stop here,when u gotta stop u gotta stop.
as for don's inner world,i shell not assume more based on no material evidence,but i just feel that he wants the spotlights as much as leo does, being the leader and the focus,u know,and i can't understand one as intelligent as don is interested in that triangle crap,if u know what i mean,i hate to say that he is sorta...too eager to steal the scenes,but one may wonder,why it's not karai,angel,renet,lucy,marry,whatever...why it's april?the one who has gotten a official boyfriend?in fact i hate to reflect these craps but they forced me to reconsider don's witty purperses as well as personality on acount of the arcane of his gorgeous mind.

[KROW]

http://www.drinkstuff.com/productimg/21189_large.jpg

That's how I roll.

Hahahahaha!

y r rolling.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!


This thread is teh lollorz.

[Krang]

So why is your IP Address from China then?
You're right, good find.

and i like using proxies.get used to it.
Posting from one working Chinese proxy is easy enough, but posting from 67 of them and counting within the span of 2 months? Not likely... You're not in trouble or anything, just be honest.

And as for the rest of the thread, let's please stop it with the arguing and try to get back on topic before this thread gets locked.

[syd]

u CAN if u get a gorgeous updating list of CN proxies!0[]o

and im trying to draw them back on topic,don't worry,im on it.