View Full Version : Classic Sesame Street Not For Children?
ZariusTwo
11-21-2007, 01:38 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/magazine/18wwln-medium-t.html?_r=2&ref=magazine&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Now where did they get such an absurd idea?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ac/Ibm_proto_cookie.jpg
AquaParade
11-21-2007, 01:54 PM
i think im a little confused.
...I like this version of Sesame Street...it sounds very bleak and depressing... :)
Roseangelo
11-21-2007, 04:04 PM
Old school Sesame Street served me just fine as a kid and I wouldn't hesitate to show it to a kid today.
Yeah, Ol' Sesame Street was good.
Heck, the 'worst' thing for me that I know of from it my mother informed me of (as it was while I was real young, so don't recall it myself). But back then apparently I would get scared of Barkley the Dog.
Otherwise, I had enjoyed the series.
VaughnMichael
11-21-2007, 05:08 PM
people are just to politically correct, safe, and scared these days.
Jim Henson made Sesame street what it was, when he went the souls of muppets everywhere went with him.
& btw that Image isn't of Cookie Monster, that was way before he was created. That image is from a apple computers ad campain, it was also seen on the Ed Sullivan show.
He was also used in ads for munchos, that would later become Cookie Monster.
There's a slight differnce between the characters but there is you can see the evolution of cookie.
COMPUTER AD.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gdAKgJDahzw
MUNCHOS AD.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oEKOgOE-0b4
COOKIE MONSTER & COUSIN MONSTER.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rWRXggFEuJM
ZariusTwo
11-21-2007, 06:17 PM
A desperatte Cookie Monster comparing cookies to Novacaine offering Martha Stewart a date with Bert, "Mr. Excitement" in exchange for releasing him
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gT_gxpyavag&feature=related
VaughnMichael
11-21-2007, 06:20 PM
A desperatte Cookie Monster comparing cookies to Novacaine offering Martha Stewart a date with Bert, "Mr. Excitement" in exchange for releasing him
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gT_gxpyavag&feature=related
By far one of the best moments ever in the history of the character.
The reason he was acting his old self again is because Frank Oz was the man behind the muppet on this show. :)
He rarely performs his own characters anymore.
ZariusTwo
11-21-2007, 06:48 PM
The best Sesame Street moments now are all from Oz performing on talk shows.
VaughnMichael
11-21-2007, 07:05 PM
The best Sesame Street moments now are all from Oz performing on talk shows.
well, some happen on sesame street when he pops by from time to time but you're right.
I wish I could say the same about the muppets.
Disney isn't doing very well with them but from what I'm told they're working on a new muppet show.
odupianist
11-21-2007, 07:31 PM
Didn't they already try a new Muppet Show? The Muppets unfortunately died when Henson died. Oz does a great job though when he does them. It was all down hill when Disney bought them. So bad that even Stewie on FG had to mention something about it. I saw something on Fox News about the Sesame Street thing thought. It's just absurd. When Jim Henson returns from the grave, I know who is going first, the folks at Disney and Sesame Street lol. I'm buying the old school Sesame Street on DVD (there are two volumes out now) just so my kids can watch that and not the new ****.
VaughnMichael
11-21-2007, 07:53 PM
Didn't they already try a new Muppet Show? The Muppets unfortunately died when Henson died. Oz does a great job though when he does them. It was all down hill when Disney bought them. So bad that even Stewie on FG had to mention something about it. I saw something on Fox News about the Sesame Street thing thought. It's just absurd. When Jim Henson returns from the grave, I know who is going first, the folks at Disney and Sesame Street lol. I'm buying the old school Sesame Street on DVD (there are two volumes out now) just so my kids can watch that and not the new ****.
I own them as well a bit expensive for 2 dvds though if you ask me.
But btw before Jim died he was selling the Muppets to Disney anyway.
Or well Michael Eisner which is the only good thing that guy ever did at Disney but it was a stupid move on his part to buy them because he seemed to be the only one who cared about them because Disney has no idea what the hell to do with them.
And now he's gone so it's even worse, they just plop Kermit on random tv shows.
They has a vast catalog of shows and tv movies that have yet to ever see dvd release and fans and casual fans a like would gobble them up.
And yeah Jim Hensons son Brian did a Muppets Tonight show which didn't do very well I don't think it's fridaynight time slot helped much..considering most people go out on the weekend.
The first season of the show wasn't very good sadly before it got cancled much like how Fast Forward was finally picking up the show started to get better.
I think the big issue with Muppets Tonight was that allot if not most of the major cast from the Muppet Show wasn't around nor did they include any characters from Jim's last project the Jim Henson Hour.
And yeah sadly I agree with stewie even if saying that about Jim sort of rubbed me the wrong way.
If Disney wants to do things correctly they first need to find people who can do the voices and make the characters act as they did before.
That's why we no longer see characters like Rowlf the dog.
Machias Banshee
11-21-2007, 09:04 PM
Oh jeez... I'm sorry, but what the heck is wrong with people? :roll:
Ok, after reading the entire article, It has now become official that the US as a whole is Way to friggen politically correct. When it comes to labeling Sesame Street.... Thats going Way too far over the line...
Fledermaus
11-21-2007, 10:03 PM
I think it came across as more of a dig at today's notions of proper children's entertainment.
Sesame Street, the article also fails to mention, was meant to be watched by the parent and the child -- that's why there were so many things that adults can still enjoy.
Machias Banshee
11-21-2007, 10:09 PM
Oh, I understand the dig. Its just the people that take it SERIOUSLY that irk me...
Sesame street back then was great. It was my Kindergarten, when we couldn't afford school. And I was more than ready to take on the other kids when I entered first grade.
This is like the mass bannings of the old Looney tunes...
It used to be that you could watch something for sole, shameless entertainment. Now, everything's gotta have some sort of lesson or something. Captain Planet, anyone? It just seems like now you can't watch or listen to anything without some sort of PSA being shoved down your throat... :ohwell:
ZariusTwo
11-21-2007, 11:00 PM
Captain Planet was a liberal show with an agenda though, it wasnt just sending people messages, it was telling them who to vote.
ZariusTwo
11-22-2007, 07:22 PM
Don Music, the original innovator of self-inflicted violence in the name of composing
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VaughnMichael
11-22-2007, 07:42 PM
heh good old Don he didn't last long because kids started running around banging their heads off things.
It's not his fault some kids mimic everything they see on tv haha:lol:
Time Mistress
11-22-2007, 08:03 PM
Oh jeez... I'm sorry, but what the heck is wrong with people? :roll:
Ok, after reading the entire article, It has now become official that the US as a whole is Way to friggen politically correct. When it comes to labeling Sesame Street.... Thats going Way too far over the line...
I couldn't agree more. It's sad when the genius and satire of a visionary like Jim Henson can't be enjoyed by today's children for fear of the PC police. As Oscar himself might say, "the whole thing stinks!"
odupianist
11-22-2007, 10:40 PM
Putre, I heard we don't see Rowlf because he was retired once Henson died.
VaughnMichael
11-22-2007, 10:52 PM
Putre, I heard we don't see Rowlf because he was retired once Henson died.
We've seen him a few times just not very much though.
He was in the making of the Weezer video the Muppets where in.
He's also been on Statler & Waldorfs at the balcony on movies.com
So I'd not say he's retired just like many of the other Muppets when the person behind their voice passes on it's hard for them to find some one new to replace them.
Rowlf was great though his humor was so subtle or accidental.
I can actually do allot of Jim's characters pretty well oddly enough.
I wish Disney would hold auditions for new Muppiteers, if they are really serious about this, it should be one of the first steps they take to make sure things are as they should be.
Muppet fans are a wacky lot we notice everything and care allot.
Jester
11-22-2007, 10:59 PM
MUPPET OFF!!!
But seriously I do a mean Kermit. not sure how good my Rowlf, Dr. Teeth, and is it Statler or Waldorf...oh well...I can do Ernie.
VaughnMichael
11-22-2007, 11:10 PM
MUPPET OFF!!!
But seriously I do a mean Kermit. not sure how good my Rowlf, Dr. Teeth, and is it Statler or Waldorf...oh well...I can do Ernie.
Awsome I'm only sub par with Kermit an x of mine was so good it creeped me out.
I'm better at Ernie, muppet newsman, Rowlf & Dr. Teeth (who is my all time fave muppet).
I'm pretty good at Janice, pepe, beaker, and the sweadish chef also.
Not to mention Richard Hunts Monsters like Sweetums.
That brings up another thing for me I don't know about the rest of you.
But the Muppets to me where always more than just the core cast of piggy, kermit, and fozzie.
It was countless monsters, aliens, and whatnots something that's really missing from their cast of characters today.
Jester
11-22-2007, 11:16 PM
Sesame Street was always pretty monster loaded. But the core Muppets for me, outdside SS, were Kermit, Fozzie, Piggy and Gonzo. The rest are B and C Muppets.
On the VA side note I would love to do that for a living. You hear that producers! :P
Drtooth
11-23-2007, 01:10 PM
Listen. I'll say what I said on Muppet Central. It's not just the PC police, but competition from Crack Jr.'s Prozac kid's line up. Dora, Blue, Diego, Backtardigans? That stuff is one great way to get your kids to grow up with a million different ADD issues.
Has anyone ever had the misfortune of seeing these on comercials or in Target or something? they talk extremely slow and loud to children. They wiffed their way past Down talking. They're treating kids like utter morons, and they're guising it all as "interactive" These shows are outright garbage, and have the same edducational value as a test pattern.
^ I dunno. I've seen some of those shows (as have a nephew and 2 nieces who have watched each of them). They seemed to be pretty good shows for kids.
Drtooth
11-23-2007, 01:40 PM
You have fallen for the hype, man. They are terrible, commercial endevors. Sesame Workshop is a non-profit company. They make scads of merchandising, sure, but they use their share of the profits to fun other projects of theres (which is more important than ever, since PBS gets so little funding now).
I do not see anyone from Viacom sending representitives to the most dangerous parts of the world to try to use the show as a means to spread peace. All I see is Viacom putting out as much Diego stuff as possible so they can make profit from the new Diego Green Bean Casserole dish.
These shows are poorly done, and they do not deserve to be slaughtering SS in the ratings. In fact, one of the reasons SS sucks right now? They actually had to borrow stuff from those shows to stay alive. They even had a segment that was a blatant ripoff of Blues Clues and Dora. But at least they talked at a normal pace with them.
Children's TV sucks on a whole right now. Everyone's either trying to rip off Nick Jr, or Disney's tweencoms.
As stated, I have watched some with young relatives. I have not "fallen for the hype", I have just watched with said relatives; and the shows don't seem to be as bad as you're making them out to be.
Drtooth
11-23-2007, 03:10 PM
Listen. We grew up watching things like Mr. Rogers, Square One Mathmatics, great 1980's Sesame street and all that. These shows are candy. They have no nutricional value. Asking a kid which shape is a square, and then giving them the answer 3 hours later is not beneficial.
Let's not forget that Pediatricians have stated that TV is NOT beneficial to kids under the age of 3. The very same programs that these cater to.
Sesame Street originally aired in the mid mornings. Know why? there was no competition from other kids shows. Now they have nothing but cable competition.
I have a niece that is about 3 or 4. She loves Dora the Explorer, so she got me to sit down one night about six months ago with her sister to watch it with her. Personally, I think my IQ dropped a little by watching it. I mean, really...
"DO. YOU. WANT. TO. PLAY. TODAY?"
...
...
"GREAT! =D"
No...just...no. Give us back Face. Even though he annoyed me as a kid, at least they had some decent shows on back then. Sesame Street from when it first started being run would be fine to show to kids, me thinks. It's just like today, only the jokes for adults were actually funny.
Drtooth
11-24-2007, 09:27 AM
But in case people want to know the truth, Sesame Workshop only put this disclaimer on the DVD as a way to say, "Hey parents, if you have a 1 year old that loves Elmo, don't buy it."
Go to Amazon.com and read reviews posted (clearly) by parents that buy anything with the Sesame Street lable on it to shut their kids up for an hour. They all talk about how the kid has no interrest in sitting down and watching TV for an hour. And it has nothing to do with the content. It has everything to do with this. When kids are that young, they do not WANT to watch TV. They want to explore the world around them. And of course they're not going to want to listen to Sesame Road. What one or two year old can get the reference to the Beatles?
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