Breaking News >> Actor Heath Ledger Found Dead in New York City

[VaughnMichael]

I don't know what else to say beside oh my...:o
I really hope he finished his work on Dark Knight.
I also hope this isn't the reason..:ohwell:
Crazy pretty much sums it up.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

Stop Lying!! Are you serious?!

[VaughnMichael]

Stop Lying!! Are you serious?!
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/index.html
Look at the yellow bar...trust me I'd not bullsh1t you guys about this.
It was just on tv.
Also in the black bar here
http://news.aol.com/

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

Oh. My. God.
That is crazy.
Shocking, that is....

EDIT: TMZ's got it too. :(

[VaughnMichael]

Oh. My. God.
That is crazy.
Shocking, that is....
It really is I don't want to believe it...I'd like to hope it's some sort of crazy stunt for the advertising of the movie, but I doubt it is...:cry:

[Cure]

Damn. He was a great actor. He was awesome in Brokeback Mountain.

[Swany]

Holy crap. I don't even know what to think.

Any more news? I mean what happened? He was only 28.

[Mecha Cow]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, what the hell? Jesus, I did not see this coming. I'm in total shock. This sucks.

[The Stryker]

Woah...Holy ****. That sucks.

[VaughnMichael]

Holy crap. I don't even know what to think.

Any more news? I mean what happened? He was only 28.
I know right thats how I feel I'm in total shock!
I just turned 28 myself and it's sh1t like this that really makes you think about just how short life really can be.
I'm looking for more news but nothings come up yet.
It's all over the tv though.
I just can't believe this though I don't think he'd kill himself with such a highly anticipated movie coming out.:|

[TMNT]

No words can express the absolute shock I'm feeling. He was a good actor and definitely was going to be big (if he wasn't already). I hope suicide wasn't the cause, as being reported, because it just doesn't add up. I'm sure more will be revealed in the upcoming days. I guess all I can say is rest in peace Heath and looking forward to another brilliant performance as the Joker in The Dark Knight.

[VaughnMichael]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22788914/
NEW YORK - Heath Ledger was found dead Tuesday at a downtown Manhattan residence in a possible drug-related death, police said. He was 28.

According to WNBC, Ledger was found with pills strewn all around him.

NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said Ledger had an appointment for a massage at the Manhattan apartment believed to be his home. The housekeeper, who went to let Ledger know the masseuse was there, found him unconscious at approximately 3:30 p.m. ET, according to the New York Times. After receiving no response from the actor after shaking him, they called authorities.

[Jester]

Man....I fliped to the news when I read the headline to verify. Man. Drug overdose is the assumed COD.

[VaughnMichael]

Man....I fliped to the news when I read the headline to verify. Man. Drug overdose is the assumed COD.
Really sounds fishy to me to be real honest...:(

[Jester]

Yeah, who'd kill themself while waiting for a masseuse.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

My thoughts exactly, Jester. What would be the point of scheduling it, if you were planning on taking your life?

[Raph's Girl]

Can the Superman curse be blaimed for this even tho he's in a Batman film??? :o

Holy frak!

Apperantly the apartment belonged to Mary Kate Olsen

Paparazzi and TV crews assemble outside 421 Broome Street, Soho, where Heath Ledger died, earlier today. The Australian-born actor, star of movies such as The Patriot and Brokeback Mountain, was found naked and unconscious in the apartment, which is owned by the actress Mary-Kate Olsen. Beside his bed, a bottle of pills. (Rumor on the scene: that Ashley Olsen, her sister, had been in the apartment today

More info here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/ap_en_ce/obit_ledger_8

[Scandia]

Curiously, a local radio show was discussing which celebrities have died so far in 2008 and which ones are likeliest to day.

I did not see it coming that Heath Ledger would be one. He was not exactly a troublemaker.

But I did see it in Yahoo News as soon as I logged into this computer.

When I was in the 11th grade, I saw it in the morning news that River Phoenix had passed away. As soon as I got to school, I told everyone around me in the lockers what had happened. Needless to say, everyone was shocked and sad.

[VaughnMichael]

Can the Superman curse be blaimed for this even tho he's in a Batman film??? :o

Holy frak!

Apperantly the apartment belonged to Mary Kate Olsen



More info here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/ap_en_ce/obit_ledger_8
If that treasure troll killed him I swear to God!:evil:

[ThirdMarioBro]

Jesus, that came out of nowhere. I suppose that makes The Dark Knight his official last role. I hope the Joker wasn't intended to be in the third one.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

The police are saying "accidental overdose" but they're not saying how they can tell. Ghouls are hanging around the building, waiting to see them remove the body so they can get pictures!!:x

[Jester]

All I've heard on the news as I was watching was how hard the role of the Joker was on him. Am I insencitive for thinking that that is fairly laughable?

[Drtooth]

I am going to say this. This is so shocking I laid an egg. Terrible news that a young up and comer like him would pass on before his prime.

Now, if this is a death related to drugs, it's not just saddening, it's angering. A lot of young, wonderful talent throws their life and career away for a cheap high. People like Joh Belushi who had his whole life ahead of him, tossing it all in for a quick sensation. These aren't irrevertably depressed people who have dead end lives (not that that would make any difference). He may have well committed suicide. So it's terrible he had to die, and even worse that's the reason he had to die.

And selfishness aside, I wonder what's going to become of the Batman film.

[VaughnMichael]

wow I was just sent this link http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/22/live-in-nyc-outside-where-heath-ledger-died/
This is disgusting I can't believe they're outside filming...
Am I the only one that thinks enough is enough already?
When will all of this madness end? How many more young stars have to go nuts or kill themselves before it does?

[Ra]

News that people find shocking is news that they didn't expect. This is no exception. The guy had so much to live for...and he was still young for an actor with so much ahead of him...

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

The New York Times is now saying that the apartment wasn't owned by Mary-Kate Olsen:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/index.html?ref=arts

[VaughnMichael]

The New York Times is now saying that the apartment wasn't owned by Mary-Kate Olsen:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/index.html?ref=arts
And then we'll find out he's not really dead...or that it wasn't pills...and the story will keep changing over and over.

[triplexxx]

First it was Renfro just a week ago at 25, now Ledger just now at 28, and of similar causes. This is very depressing, and I hope it doesn't turn into something.

[Raven]

I just heard about this, and yeah I just about broke down.


As lame as that sounds, damn.


Im at a loss right now.

[Jo269976]

Was just told my brother.

At first I didn't believe him but it was on Sky News and...I'm just in shock. :o

I haven't really seen many of his performances but I couldn't wait to see him as the Joker, it's such a big shock and a real shame that he will never know how he did on his final performance and no doubt will be his greatest :(

RIP

[Revan]

Curiously, a local radio show was discussing which celebrities have died so far in 2008 and which ones are likeliest to day.

I would have guessed britney spears, not heath. This really is unfortunate. He was just becoming a bigger time actor.

[Raph's Girl]

wow I was just sent this link http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/22/live-in-nyc-outside-where-heath-ledger-died/
This is disgusting I can't believe they're outside filming...
Am I the only one that thinks enough is enough already?
When will all of this madness end? How many more young stars have to go nuts or kill themselves before it does?

Frak that...they're showing the same footage on CNN.... I watched on tv as they took his body out of the apartment. :o

edit: Looks like The Dark Knight isn't his last film. He was currently filming this little number:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imaginarium_of_Doctor_Parnassus

TMZ.com is saying that Heath Ledger was sick with Pneumonia and had been taking Ambien for an Insomnia problem

[Fugitoid Jones]

Yeah, when my sister dropped by my apartment and told me about this, I didn't believe her. I thought maybe it was somebody with the same name, but she insisted that it was THE Heath Ledger. The whole situation is really depressing.

Luckily, I read that he had finished shooting The Dark Knight, so we should be able to see his entire performance, without stand-ins ala Brandon Lee's in The Crow.

People keep saying "When are these celebrities going to stop? When will they learn to lay off the drugs and partying?" Well, guess what, they never will. This **** has been going on for decades, and they will never learn. It's a sad and depressing fact.

[Voltron]

Jesus, that came out of nowhere. I suppose that makes The Dark Knight his official last role. I hope the Joker wasn't intended to be in the third one.

Of course he'd be in a sequel! Everyone came back for this sequel! I'm about to kill someone! MAN!


This is right out of the blue.

****!

[Spitfire]

Jesus, that came out of nowhere. I suppose that makes The Dark Knight his official last role. I hope the Joker wasn't intended to be in the third one.

My thoughts exactly when I heard this in class today.

[gobo]

After reading the first few posts, I was imagining a mugging situation. Guess I was wrong... R.I.P. Heath Ledger.

[Raph's Girl]

ABC News is saying that Heath Ledger had scheduled a massage, either the masseus (sp?) or his housekeeper (conflicting reports) found him dead in the apartment surrounded by pills.

[Peanut]

Someone already said that like 5 or 6 posts into the thread. Do you ever read anything?

[Jo Dawn]

Yeah, heard this as it was happening. Girl I work with's sister's husband is a director in Cali.

It's a shame, yeah. Who knows, maybe it was an accidental OD. Maybe it wasn't. But the fact that he was already in and out of rehab didn't help.

What's really sad (besides him being so young and having a little girl) is that no one needs to get involved in drugs. He didn't need to be ON the drugs at the time of death. One or two times of simple drugs and kill you years later. So you can be just taking a sleeping pill or even just going to bed without the aid of pills, walking in your room, and just die, because of those few times you made an idiotic decision.

I know. My cousin died that way.

[GK Punk]

Can the Superman curse be blaimed for this even tho he's in a Batman film??? :o


I'm sorry, but that was tasteless and uncalled for.

[Jester]

No this is tasteless and uncalled for. (EDIT: and so was that ^^)

[fredphelps-esque]This is God's doing cause he played a f** in the movies. God is punishing him![/fredphelps-esque]

Trust me, dispite the fact that I am also a Christian, some religious cook, maybe even Phelps himself will say that this is God's wrath being poured out on Heath for his Brokeback Mountain role.

[cqb101]

This news hit me hard when I heard it earlier. He was such a talented actor with a huge career ahead of him.

RIP

[VaughnMichael]

No this is tasteless and uncalled for. (EDIT: and so was that ^^)

[fredphelps-esque]This is God's doing cause he played a f** in the movies. God is punishing him![/fredphelps-esque]

Trust me, dispite the fact that I am also a Christian, some religious cook, maybe even Phelps himself will say that this is God's wrath being poured out on Heath for his Brokeback Mountain role.
lmao if God was killing us Gays for being who we are I'd say there's people way higher on the list than Heath lmao!:lol:

[Jester]

I hear ya, but there are idiots out there. Sadly they also claim to be Christians making people like me look the same as them. :roll:

Is there a post missing? I commented on a post by Hannah that seems to be missing.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

No this is tasteless and uncalled for. (EDIT: and so was that ^^)

[fredphelps-esque]This is God's doing cause he played a f** in the movies. God is punishing him![/fredphelps-esque]

Trust me, dispite the fact that I am also a Christian, some religious cook, maybe even Phelps himself will say that this is God's wrath being poured out on Heath for his Brokeback Mountain role.


I wondered how long it would be before something like that would come out-- and yes, I, too, am a Christian. We must reject and denounce these types as strongly as others who share a belief system with those who pervert/misrepresent/destroy those beliefs should do.

[Fledermaus]

I realize I'm a few hours late, but, damn... :( I hope his family is okay. Last role in life: the Joker...

[Revan]

Were they entirely done filming dark knight prior to?

[Jester]

Yes. I'm not sure who at the moment but someone (it was cqb101) assured me in the Dark Night had finished filming.

[cqb101]

Were they entirely done filming dark knight prior to?

Yep. He was currently filming another movie.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus-- directed by Terry Gilliam.

God knows what it was about, but I imagine that it is pretty much on hold.




I swear, I have no idea why it bothers me that he's died. I'm not a fan, I doubt I could name one movie of his that I've seen-- I mean, I know what they are, but as to actually having watched him--


Reading about him, I was sharply reminded of Johnny Depp in many respects-- but I'm also seeing a sort of Gary Oldman about him-- someone who doesn't/didn't worry about making "popular" (i.e., tripe) films, but someone who wanted to make films that "spoke" to him. And I can see from what I've been reading that he could do different characters in the way that Oldman and Depp do-- that while watching, you don't think "that's *insert actor's name here*"...

This doesn't mean I'll ever watch "Brokeback Mountain", however. But it's still quite sad.

[VaughnMichael]

The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus-- directed by Terry Gilliam.

God knows what it was about, but I imagine that it is pretty much on hold.




I swear, I have no idea why it bothers me that he's died. I'm not a fan, I doubt I could name one movie of his that I've seen-- I mean, I know what they are, but as to actually having watched him--


Reading about him, I was sharply reminded of Johnny Depp in many respects-- but I'm also seeing a sort of Gary Oldman about him-- someone who doesn't/didn't worry about making "popular" (i.e., tripe) films, but someone who wanted to make films that "spoke" to him. And I can see from what I've been reading that he could do different characters in the way that Oldman and Depp do-- that while watching, you don't think "that's *insert actor's name here*"...

This doesn't mean I'll ever watch "Brokeback Mountain", however. But it's still quite sad.
I feel the same way I'm not even a fan and this bothers me.
I think it has allot more to do with just everything being such a mess these days and the media making it all such a damn circus..:roll:
and believe it or not I've never seen Brokeback Mountain either...I really kinda don't want to see it.
The only kind of gay movies I like are ones with real gay people or directed by them like John Water I love me some campy trash lol:lol:

[R-iZZy]

A lot of celebrity deaths usually don't hit me, but for some reason, this one did. Besides The Joker things you see in my avy and sig, I always admired the guy's work. Right now, I'd say Johnny Depp is the top actor in the business. But if you were to ask me who would be next in line for this generation, I'd have easily said Heath Ledger. And when I heard he would be taking on the role of Joker, I was quickly ecstatic about it.

I feel sort of like I lost an idol with this death. R.I.P. to Ledger, and my heart goes out to his friends, family, and his 2-year-old daughter.

[Jester]

Yeah, BBM is a mixed bag. I agree with Geen Shalit when he says that Jake G's character was almost a preditor in that he wouldn't let Heath's character ive his life and basically tore it apart. But that's just how I saw it. Others saw it as a wonderful love story.

[Cure]

Brokeback Mountain WAS good. I recommend everyone sees it.

[VaughnMichael]

Yeah, BBM is a mixed bag. I agree with Geen Shalit when he says that Jake G's character was almost a preditor in that he wouldn't let Heath's character ive his life and basically tore it apart. But that's just how I saw it. Others saw it as a wonderful love story.
Well there really are people like that, trust me I've dated a few lol:lol:

[Lord Nightwalker]

I just now heard about this. Over at Batman on film, and it seems so surreal.
R.I.P Heath...

[R-iZZy]

Goodness f***ing gracious, some church activist group is actually going to protest at his funeral for his role in Brokeback Mountain.

Check the protest ad here. (http://i29.tinypic.com/o93lgl.jpg)

I swear, I usually don't wish death upon anyone, but I wouldn't mind these pieces of s*** to rot in piss. Seriously, this is just unbe-f***ing-lievable.

[cqb101]

Goodness f***ing gracious, some church activist group is actually going to protest at his funeral for his role in Brokeback Mountain.

Check the protest ad here. (http://i29.tinypic.com/o93lgl.jpg)

I swear, I usually don't wish death upon anyone, but I wouldn't mind these pieces of s*** to rot in piss. Seriously, this is just unbe-f***ing-lievable.

The things I would do to those assholes if I were there. They're a disgrace to the word "human".

[GK Punk]

That really pisses me off.

[VaughnMichael]

Goodness f***ing gracious, some church activist group is actually going to protest at his funeral for his role in Brokeback Mountain.

Check the protest ad here. (http://i29.tinypic.com/o93lgl.jpg)

I swear, I usually don't wish death upon anyone, but I wouldn't mind these pieces of s*** to rot in piss. Seriously, this is just unbe-f***ing-lievable.
Ok seriously where are the @ssholes at?
Are they seriously going to his funeral?
I've had enough of bullsh1t like this also.
It's time we as people take a damn stand and say enough is enough!

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

Words connot express just how angry I am with these monsters who claim to be Christians. Really... I bet these are the same kooks who protest at the funerals of dead soldiers, too. Shameful...

[Fledermaus]

Actually, you're right -- they're the same guys most likely. These nutjobs preach that the U.S. deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth because gay marriage is permitted -- and that our military's lack of success in the middle east, Hurricane Katrina, and just about every disaster is the result of God's wrath.

[R-iZZy]

Seriously, I don't understand why the Constitution protects ignorance and obvious attempts of just pissing people the f*** off. If I had the means, I would make the trip to personally prevent this protest from happening.

[gobo]

How many religious fanatics there are doing the exact opposite of what their religions preach... It sickens me. :evil: Advocates of intolerance all have their own fiery pit reserved in their version of hell.

[Raph's Girl]

What Baka's! Come on! It was just a fraking movie!! Leave the man alone! Let him rest in peace!! Protesting at somebody's funeral is just plain idiiotic!

[Barkworm]

People, it's the Westboro Baptist Church, the world's biggest jackass organization. Are you actually surprised?

[GK Punk]

People, it's the Westboro Baptist Church, the world's biggest jackass organization. Are you actually surprised?

I didn't realize that until I looked it up. I didn't notice the URL. I'm honestly surprised no one in that Organization has been killed yet during a protest.

[Barkworm]

I just noticed that Jester called this like two pages ago. These f*ckers are so predictable.

[Ra]

People, it's the Westboro Baptist Church, the world's biggest jackass organization. Are you actually surprised?
I'm more surprised by the fact that they are actually going ahead with this f***ed up idea. Protesting at a funeral? All because of a role Heath played in a film? Cripes, you may as well kick everyone of the guy's family members in the groin while you are at it. Bastards.

[ZariusTwo]

There should be a mass of gay or even asexual picketers there kissing in front of the proceedings just to spite them.

[GK Punk]

I'm more surprised by the fact that they are actually going ahead with this f***ed up idea. Protesting at a funeral? All because of a role Heath played in a film? Cripes, you may as well kick everyone of the guy's family members in the groin while you are at it. Bastards.

This isn't even the tip of the iceberg for these guys. Look them up sometime to see what other douchbaggery they've been a part of.

There should be a mass of gay or even asexual picketers there kissing in front of the proceedings just to spite them.

I really hope someone does.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I can't believe any human could be capable of going to a funeral of a beloved person, and publicly mock them and their family. I swear to God if I ever witnessed those people in the act, I probably couldn't stop myself from clubbing them all in the back of the head with rocks.

[Voltron]

For a second there, I was worried that no one was going to sully his memory. Thankfully, we have some very diligent assh*les in this country.


I feel bad for Heath's daughter. What must it be like for her? Poor kid.

[Scandia]

What pisses me off the most about the protest ad is the fact that they are stating where Mr. Ledger went to after passing away. As if it were up to them. It is between God and Heath Ledger what happens- NOT up to the Westboro people.

Not to mention it is VERY tasteless of them to protest his funeral. Instead, they need to educate people against the dangers of drugs- since THAT is what killed Mr. Ledger.

[Barkworm]

As GK said, the WBC is known for this kind of bullsh*t. They only exist to piss EVERYONE off. Especially homosexuals but also Muslims, Blacks, Jews, Democrats, Republicans and even other Christians.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

So, they all have passports and money to go to a funeral in Australia?

I am assuming, naturally, that his family will want him buried at home-- and I further assume that the group, SHOULD they actually find the means to get there and locate the funeral, will have the crap beat out of them by the fine Australian people (or intercepted at the airport and immediately deported).

That "group" is basically one family. The father should be arrested for child abuse because of how he's raised those kids all these years.

[BubblyShell22]

I heard about Heath's death yesterday, and I am saddened by it. I wasn't a fan of his work, but it's horrible that he had to die at such a young age. My condolences go out to his wife, daughter, other family members, fellow actors who knew him, and the fans who loved his movies. This is truly a tragic event.

As for these Baptists, they are idiots. Leave the man alone so that he can be mourned by those who loved him.

[That Matt Guy]

fred phelps and co. just want people to acknowledge them. all they do that stuff for is the publicity. they've sunk lower than this before.

[Drtooth]

TMZ.com is saying that Heath Ledger was sick with Pneumonia and had been taking Ambien for an Insomnia problem

Well, it's comforting to know it wasn't drug abuse. Now it's just really saddening. Same illness that killed Jim Henson.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

As for these Baptists, they are idiots. Leave the man alone so that he can be mourned by those who loved him.

I wouldn't classify these guys as Baptists. They are religious zealots and extremists who are no better than the Taliban, IMO, and they are a class unto themselves. To call them Baptists (or any group of Christianity) is an insult to the religion they claim to represent.

[gobo]

fred phelps and co. just want people to acknowledge them. all they do that stuff for is the publicity. they've sunk lower than this before.
Can someone let me know when one of these wackos die so I can go protest their prejudice, ignorant life at their funeral? It's the least I can do to uphold the golden rule. :evilgrin:

[Jo269976]

If I ever see any members of them, believe me when I say I'm going to spit in their faces :x

They're a disgrace to the human being race.

If they believe that a god can be as heartless as that and approve of them, then I will not believe in that God.

It'll be all the sweeter when they're the ones rotting in hell :D

[VaughnMichael]

There should be a mass of gay or even asexual picketers there kissing in front of the proceedings just to spite them.
I did ask where they're doing this at if I can find out I can orginize something.

[VaughnMichael]

Well, it's comforting to know it wasn't drug abuse. Now it's just really saddening. Same illness that killed Jim Henson.
you know out of respect for Jim I'm not gonna say what I did...His family didn't want people to know.

[odupianist]

Not going to lie, but I couldn't help but chuckle at how ridiculous the protest ad is. Seriously, they're going to picket a guy's funeral who portrayed a gay on film? They're only doing it (or going to or going to try to, etc) because it's Heath Ledger and since he's a big movie star, they're going to get media exposure themselves. This way they get more crazies for their cause.

Honestly, I am not a huge fan or anything of Heath Ledger's, but it did come as a shock. I dont know if it's becaus he was so young or the upcoming Batman movie or what. I think it was a shock for a lot of people because he isn't out in the media like Lindsey Lohan or Britney Spears. Those people wouldn't be such a surprise when they die because we're almost expecting it. I was listening to the radio this morning, and the DJ was saying how the pills Heath was taking (Ambien I think?) is pretty out there stuff. The DJ (Mancow if any of you listen to him) said that he had taken Ambien for sleeping problems and he said he did some random stuff and didn't even remember it. So it sounds like a pretty interesting drug.

I saw BBM. It was alright, wasn't great or anything, but wasn't as big a deal as the media played it out ot be at the time.

[Raph's Girl]

Same illness that killed Jim Henson.

Actually if you read the description of what Jim Henson had he actually died of Mersa.

Anyways... the autopsy report came out today on Heath...inconclusive of course...they generally are the day after. We'll find out in a couple weeks.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/23/heath.ledger.dead/index.html

[Mecha Cow]

I did ask where they're doing this at if I can find out I can orginize something.
Please don't. I understand where you're coming from but these scumbags are just going to spin everything around to support their ridiculous agenda, and they don't deserve the attention or even the acknowledgement.

[Drtooth]

Actually if you read the description of what Jim Henson had he actually died of Mersa.

Hmm, I heard it was pneumonia. Anyway, the point is it doesn't even have to take an uncommon, exotic, or otherwise major illness or disease that can unfortunately take a big name person's life.

As for the WBC? Screw them. If they want to be the Christian equivillant of the Taliban, there's nothing you can do about it. I think they shouold be tried for treason for protesting soldier deaths for a war they probably lobbies for the US to start. Funny how wackos who believed in a multiarmed green god riding on a comet to destroy Earth are referred to as a dangerous cult and these people aren't. I usually can respect a person's religion, but for the love of Pete, this is the reason why everyone hates Christians.

[jeff the cheff]

The joker should **** up the whole WBC, make them all Two-Face like.

[Jester]

And who called it....man I hate those bastards.

*Jester doesn't use bastard as a slur, as bastardization is taking something and torquing it, and Phelps and his people bastardize Christianity thus, bastards. (this is the same reasoning those idiots use to allow for their excessive use of the word f**, for it is a word meaning "bundle of sticks used for kindling" and guess who Phelps and his minions (read family) think will kindle Hell fire?)

Can I get religious on you without this post being edited or deleted? Here, I'll put it in spoiler tags (now) so if you want to read it, ok, if not it's hidden and you don't have too.

Ok, so Phelps and his church believe that God hates Gays. Well if that is true and God hates homosexuals for their sin, then he must hate all sinners for their sin, since all sins are equal in the eyes of the Lord. So, if God hates all sinners, if you believe as Fred Phelps, why in the world would he send His Son into the world to die for the sinners He hates so much? Is my logic disjointed or does Phelps just by preaching this message of hate totally negate his own beliefs, and by default those of people like me and other normal, God fearing, all people loving Christians?

[gobo]

I hadn't read that ad for their picketing until an hour ago. I'll have nightmares for weeks about living in a world where I'm the only person who isn't a prejudice, narrow-minded ignoramus. >_< I hate haters so bad...

[Jester]

Imagine how I and other Christians feel, since they are the most vocal of us, and make us all look like bigots.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

And who called it....man I hate those bastards.

*Jester doesn't use bastard as a slur, as bastardization is taking something and torquing it, and Phelps and his people bastardize Christianity thus, bastards. (this is the same reasoning those idiots use to allow for their excessive use of the word f**, for it is a word meaning "bundle of sticks used for kindling" and guess who Phelps and his minions (read family) think will kindle Hell fire?)

Can I get religious on you without this post being edited or deleted? Here, I'll put it in spoiler tags (now) so if you want to read it, ok, if not it's hidden and you don't have too.

Ok, so Phelps and his church believe that God hates Gays. Well if that is true and God hates homosexuals for their sin, then he must hate all sinners for their sin, since all sins are equal in the eyes of the Lord. So, if God hates all sinners, if you believe as Fred Phelps, why in the world would he send His Son into the world to die for the sinners He hates so much? Is my logic disjointed or does Phelps just by preaching this message of hate totally negate his own beliefs, and by default those of people like me and other normal, God fearing, all people loving Christians?


Oh Jester, you know you make far too much sense for these types of morons. Really, if these guys believe God is so loving, how on earth did they come to the conclusion that he could hate anyone?! That goes against every last thing that Christianity stands for. Phelps is a twisted fool, and he'll pay dearly for making a mockery of Christ and His teachings. End of story.

[Jester]

Oh Jester, you know you make far too much sense for these types of morons. Really, if these guys believe God is so loving, how on earth did they come to the conclusion that he could hate anyone?! That goes against every last thing that Christianity stands for. Phelps is a twisted fool, and he'll pay dearly for making a mockery of Christ and His teachings. End of story.

Very true. I just wish he didn't have to drag it's good name through the mud first, turning off all sorts of people who may need the gospel.

[愛]

Dear Thread,

Uh, are we done talking about religion now? I'd love to get back to talking about boobs. Thanks.

Love,

Ai

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

Very true. I just wish he didn't have to drag it's good name through the mud first, turning off all sorts of people who may need the gospel.

Yeah, that's the part that bothers me, too. This world has more than enough hate in it-- last thing this place needs is jerks turning what should be a message of hope into something vile and discouraging.

EDIT: Oh shoot-- We're done now, Ai. Maybe. :wink:

[Jester]

Yeah, we're done breaking the rules via Spoiler tags. Boob talk can resume.

[愛]

It was a joke. I'm not knocking religion. It's all good as long as no one's insulting someone else's beliefs. Then we got the "ZOMG E-FIGHT THREAD CLOSED!"

You get what I'm sayin'?!

[Jester]

Yeah. I hear ya. Phelps has ruffled my feathers since I found out about his "church" so I've had years to ferment my hatred for that man. Not very Christian, but I'm sure God'll forgive me.

[愛]

I'm sure he's got your back.

[VaughnMichael]

Yeah. I hear ya. Phelps has ruffled my feathers since I found out about his "church" so I've had years to ferment my hatred for that man. Not very Christian, but I'm sure God'll forgive me.
heh well perhaps people should come together to destroy his bullcrap "church", sounds like a good cause to me. :P

[Cure]

heh well perhaps people should come together to destroy his bullcrap "church", sounds like a good cause to me. :P

While I do agree they're messed up, if that's done the people wouldn't be any better than them. Like Mecha Cow said, just don't give them the attention or acknowledgment.

[VaughnMichael]

While I do agree they're messed up, if that's done the people wouldn't be any better than them. Like Mecha Cow said, just don't give them the attention or acknowledgment.
Coming together to stop idiots is a bad cause?
If they don't exist and are abolished we won't have to acknowledge them at all. Oh well I'll do things on my own time I'm sick and tired of people sitting around while idiots like these people are running around the country making fools of all of us.
All I'm saying is that nothing comes from nothing and if we don't fight for what we believe in things won't move forward.
And btw it's to late for them not to be acknowledged they're already talking about what they're doing on the news and online web sites. Infact it's the first thing I saw today while signing onto several websites including gay.com

[Splinter's Iroonna]

And who called it....man I hate those bastards.

*Jester doesn't use bastard as a slur, as bastardization is taking something and torquing it, and Phelps and his people bastardize Christianity thus, bastards. (this is the same reasoning those idiots use to allow for their excessive use of the word f**, for it is a word meaning "bundle of sticks used for kindling" and guess who Phelps and his minions (read family) think will kindle Hell fire?)

Can I get religious on you without this post being edited or deleted? Here, I'll put it in spoiler tags (now) so if you want to read it, ok, if not it's hidden and you don't have too.

Ok, so Phelps and his church believe that God hates Gays. Well if that is true and God hates homosexuals for their sin, then he must hate all sinners for their sin, since all sins are equal in the eyes of the Lord. So, if God hates all sinners, if you believe as Fred Phelps, why in the world would he send His Son into the world to die for the sinners He hates so much? Is my logic disjointed or does Phelps just by preaching this message of hate totally negate his own beliefs, and by default those of people like me and other normal, God fearing, all people loving Christians?

But remember, Jester-- when "man" creates God in his own image, all bets are off.

My own bro-in-law goes after certain things by quoting Bible sections that support him. Yes, it does say in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin (as are a LOT of things)-- but that (a) Jesus died for our sins and (b) one must truly accept and repent-- there is no free pass so to speak. And it also says to JUDGE NOT, lest YE be Judged-- so I hope no one thinks I am judging anyone except the loons of Phelps' "church".

Gad I hate these people-- No, wait-- I hate the freaking PRESS that GIVES them publicity by informing us of these things! If the press would ignore them (like they ignore other things that they don't agree with), then Phelps' group would die of attention starvation.

[Mecha Cow]

Coming together to stop idiots is a bad cause?
No, but provocation never stops anything. Whatever hostility you show them they will only use to 'prove' whatever inane 'point' they may have. I understand your feelings, but all these people know is hate and more of it will only make them stronger.

[VaughnMichael]

No, but provocation never stops anything. Whatever hostility you show them they will only use to 'prove' whatever inane 'point' they may have. I understand your feelings, but all these people know is hate and more of it will only make them stronger.
What about bullets?:lol: I don't think they'll be moving to much if dead.:P
Btw these last comments aren't to serious even though they do tick me off and there really is allot that needs to be done in our own country.
I'm sick of us fighting wars with other countries when we've got quite a few going on here in America.

[Mecha Cow]

It's worth a shot, but you better make sure they're silver ones.

[Raph's Girl]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080124/ap_en_ce/ledger_s_final_moments_8

A massage therapist who discovered a lifeless Heath Ledger in his Manhattan apartment made her first call to Mary-Kate Olsen, according to an in-depth timeline police released Wednesday of the moments surrounding the Australian-born actor's death.

Police said Ledger probably died sometime between 1 p.m. and 2:45 p.m. on Tuesday of what authorities say may be an accidental drug overdose.

Authorities found six types of prescription drugs in Ledger's apartment, including pills to treat insomnia and anxiety, according to two law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. Three of the drugs were prescribed in Europe, where Ledger had been filming recently.

Ledger's housekeeper, Teresa Solomon, arrived at his apartment with her own key and let herself in. At 1 p.m., she went to his bedroom to change a light bulb, and saw Ledger sleeping and heard him snoring. She left the room without thinking anything was wrong.

At 2:45 p.m., massage therapist Diana Wolozin showed up for her appointment with Ledger, who didn't answer when she knocked on his door. She then tried to call him on his cell phone, but again got no response. She went into the bedroom, set up her massage table and again tried to wake Ledger.

Wolozin told police that Ledger was cold to the touch, but that she assumed he was just unconscious. She grabbed his cell phone and called Mary Kate Olsen, whose number was programmed into the phone. Wolozin knew that the "Full House" star and Ledger were friends, and she asked Olsen for advice on what she should do next.

Olsen, who also lives in Manhattan but was in California at the time, responded by saying she would send over her private security guards to help deal with the situation. In the ensuing moments, Wolozin realized that Ledger might be dead. She called Olsen again, then called 911.

The emergency operator provided Wolozin directions on how to do CPR, but it was too late.

Paramedics arrived minutes later — at about the same time as Olsen's security guards.

Messages left at telephone numbers listed for Wolozin and Solomon were not returned Wednesday.

[Jester]

heh well perhaps people should come together to destroy his bullcrap "church", sounds like a good cause to me. :P
That's like pro-lifers blowing up abortion clinics. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

Hmm... am I the only one who found it wierd that she (the masseuse) called Olsen first? I mean, yeah I understand the need for discretion when it comes to celebrities and hospitals, but really-- Cold to the touch, unconscious... 911 should've been the first option. Just saying.

[Roseangelo]

At 2:45 p.m., massage therapist Diana Wolozin showed up for her appointment with Ledger, who didn't answer when she knocked on his door. She then tried to call him on his cell phone, but again got no response. She went into the bedroom, set up her massage table and again tried to wake Ledger.

This paragraph makes no sense. Why would she call his cell phone if she could just walk into the bedroom?

[VaughnMichael]

That's like pro-lifers blowing up abortion clinics. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
No You're totally right they make a left.:lol:

[Jo Dawn]

Imagine how I and other Christians feel, since they are the most vocal of us, and make us all look like bigots.

Indeed. Upon visiting another country, I met someone of a different religion who couldn't believe that someone from the US could be so understanding and accepting of her beliefs. Lol, she was telling her group about me!

But, yes. It's all very sad, no matter what the circumstances. I'm torn, having been through something like this with a family member, though, with what to think. I really can't say much about what happened to him until I really know the specifics. I refuse to really speculate. There's too many variables.

[KROW]

I was as shocked as the other millions of people when I heard about this; so out of the blue. I wasn't a big follower of his films, having only seen Brothers Grimm and bits of A Knight's Tale, but his death did take me aback. Very tragic and sad. That poor daughter...

Hmm... am I the only one who found it wierd that she (the masseuse) called Olsen first? I mean, yeah I understand the need for discretion when it comes to celebrities and hospitals, but really-- Cold to the touch, unconscious... 911 should've been the first option. Just saying.

That's what I was thinking when I read that. Why Olsen?

No You're totally right they make a left.:lol:

More like a left-wing. Hah!

[VaughnMichael]

That's what I was thinking when I read that. Why Olsen?
I don't know why Oming?

[Ra]

So, they all have passports and money to go to a funeral in Australia?

I am assuming, naturally, that his family will want him buried at home-- and I further assume that the group, SHOULD they actually find the means to get there and locate the funeral, will have the crap beat out of them by the fine Australian people (or intercepted at the airport and immediately deported).

That "group" is basically one family. The father should be arrested for child abuse because of how he's raised those kids all these years.
I haven't really heard much about the funeral details (they aren't really mentioned here, for respect of privacy), but I would assume that he'll be buried back here.

Trust me, if those protesters are here, they will be walking into a death trap. There will be a lot of security there, if I'm not mistaken, and possibly a few angry fans watching them from afar. My money is on them being dragged off to a holding cell, but I doubt it.

That's what I was thinking when I read that. Why Olsen?
Other than the fact Olsen owned the apartment...not too sure. Maybe she panicked and dialed the first number that popped into her head? :ohwell:

[cqb101]

I haven't really heard much about the funeral details (they aren't really mentioned here, for respect of privacy), but I would assume that he'll be buried back here.

Trust me, if those protesters are here, they will be walking into a death trap. There will be a lot of security there, if I'm not mistaken, and possibly a few angry fans watching them from afar. My money is on them being dragged off to a holding cell, but I doubt it.


Other than the fact Olsen owned the apartment...not too sure. Maybe she panicked and dialed the first number that popped into her head? :ohwell:


Olsen didn't own the apartment, they debunked that. She owns an apartment in the same building, but not that one.

[odupianist]

From what I heard, Ledger rented the apt from Olsen. Whether Olsen owned or was subleasing is a detail to that I guess.

[Drtooth]

No, but provocation never stops anything. Whatever hostility you show them they will only use to 'prove' whatever inane 'point' they may have. I understand your feelings, but all these people know is hate and more of it will only make them stronger.

Yes, you just have to wait and hope these kinds of fools do something that loses all their credibility, causing them to just give up. While not likely, letting them quietly slip into obscurity is the best revenge.

Though, holding up signs that say "God Hates America" during a soldier's funeral should be considered Treason. had they been Muslim and did that, they'd've been shipped to Guantanamo by now.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I came into this late... Actually I heard about it late from a text message from my sister. We both really enjoyed him as an actor and this is incredibly sad. All I can say is this is a lot of tragedy going around Holly Wood and we are barely into the new year. My heart goes out to his little girl....

As for those people who want to protest at a funeral, I think that is one of the sickest things I have ever heard...the sad part is that it isn't the first time I have heard it...

[Spike Spiegel]

The ad for the Christian group is deleted; I don't know what they're doing exactly....??

(The link doesn't work.)

[GK Punk]

The ad for the Extremist group is deleted; I don't know what they're doing exactly....??

(The link doesn't work.)

Fixed.

And it says they are going to protest his funeral for playing a gay man in Broke Back Mountain.

[Katie]

silly church people.....Judge not, for you will be judged.


Anywho, very sad indeed. I saw an interview with the guy not toooo long ago where he said something to the affect of he wasn't sleeping well. he stated that he was only sleeping 2 hours a night AFTER taking two Ambien sleeping pills (ever had those? ONE puts me out in about 15 minutes)

My bet it the guy just wanted to sleep and upped his dose. No good when you are also on anti anxiety meds as has been reported.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

Yeah apparently he was on a few different meds for being sick with pnuemonia??
I bet it was a bad interaction or he did just take a few too many of something :(
It is very frustrating when you can't sleep, I can't imagine it was anything but an accident

[Lord Nightwalker]

I don't think they should be labeled "church people", I have something else in mind..and just so you know, they are not backed by any church. Go check out Brett Booths' blog..He talks about that a little bit.
My Grandmother, bless her, would roll over in her grave having these guys labeled "Church" people. She was on the board of her church until her health became an issue. Anyway...
R.I.P Mister Ledger.

[VaughnMichael]

I don't think they should be labeled "church people", I have something else in mind..and just so you know, they are not backed by any church. Go check out Brett Booths' blog..He talks about that a little bit.
My Grandmother, bless her, would roll over in her grave having these guys labeled "Church" people. She was on the board of her church until her health became an issue. Anyway...
R.I.P Mister Ledger.
Trust me many good church people are very angry about this including my grandmother.
These people are not church going god fearing workers of the lord they spread hate and evil through the land.
And the church want a stop to this as much as other groups do.
The church pretty much has placed the lable of cult on this group.

[Voltron]

And this message board is not a place to begin airing spiritual grievances. Please keep this on topic and shy away from who's doing what in the wild world of organized faith. Thank you.

[VaughnMichael]

And this message board is not a place to begin airing spiritual grievances. Please keep this on topic and shy away from who's doing what in the wild world of organized faith. Thank you.
Um I'm not sure if your talkin to me or not but I sure didn't start talking about it I was adding I don't think saying that people of real faith detest this A holes hate speach, which is related to them prostesting Heaths funeral.
But I'm happy to know The family wont be telling anyone where it is so a big middle finger to these jerks.
But mmmmk I've said what I had to anyway.

[Voltron]

Did I mention your name Putrescent? No religion. No politics. Those are the rules.

This is a warning: If this discussion on religious views continues, the thread will be locked. If anybody feels they're being persecuted and needs to abandon all blame, feel free to whine to a mod over PM.

[VaughnMichael]

Did I mention your name Putrescent? No religion. No politics. Those are the rules.

This is a warning: If this discussion on religious views continues, the thread will be locked. If anybody feels they're being persecuted and needs to abandon all blame, feel free to whine to a mod over PM.
No but I asked if you did :) and I don't feel as if I'm being blamed nor am I whining. & I know the rules but since no one said anything for days I thought these radicals sort of went outside the bounds.:P

[gobo]

P has a point. Until one of these psychotic gay-bashers objects, what's the harm? Sure, it's a heated discussion, but no one's fighting. We're all declaring in unison that these hateful homophobes are equivalent to the KKK.

However, I see your point too, Mr. 'tron. It's enough rule-bending already, and this is taking focus away from poor Mr. Ledger (who must be laughing his angelic anus off up there at how retarded these delusional jerks with damned souls are being; I know I would in his situation).

[Krang]

Just to clear things up, religious/political discussion is not entirely banned on the forums. If it was, this thread would have been locked long ago. Although the rules don't currently cover our stance on those topics, our general guideline has been that those topics are fine as long as nobody trolls about them, starts a debate about them, or attacks someone else's beliefs. I haven't seen anything posted in this thread that crosses any of those lines, so I think we're doing fine so far.

[Raph's Girl]

Toxicology report came in today. The official report is....he O'd on SIX different prescription drugs! :o

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080206/ap_en_mo/heath_ledger_24

The cause of death was "acute intoxication by the combined effects of oxycodone, hydrocodone, diazepam, temazepam, alprazolam and doxylamine," spokeswoman Ellen Borakove said in a statement.

[GK Punk]

Well ****. Okay, now you can say it's an overdose and I won't jump down anyones throat. That's horrible. I wonder why he was taking so much. It had to be for the high I guess.

[Mecha Cow]

Geez. So was it suicide? I feel bad for his kid. Regardless, RIP.

[Jo Dawn]

It wasn't suicide. It was an accidental overdose. And the statement I read named only three drugs, all very normal and low doses, just not mixable.

[odupianist]

The release I read said six drugs and said what the generic versions are. Ah here's the story..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328828,00.html

[KROW]

That doesn't sound right. How can someone accidentally overdose on prescription drugs? Doctors and physicians aren't supposed to let that happen, even if Ledger had more than one prescribing drugs for him. Did he neglect to follow his proper dosage or did the doctor(s) fail to properly prescribe the drugs?

I hope investigators look into who prescribed those drugs to him and what his dosage was instead of closing the case with his cause of death.