The Incredible Hulk (2008)

[ZariusTwo]

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Full trailer is to air on MTV tonight

[Raph's Girl]

Actually it's airing on MTV, MTVU, MTV2, VH1, Spike TV, Nick at Nite and CMT. It'll air at 9:56 p.m. ET/6:56 p.m. PT and will then be on mtv.com (which is only available for viewing if you live in the U.S). Plus in theatres it's attached to Doomsday starting Friday.

[Revan]

I'll laugh if this Hulk bombs as well.
Anyone have a plot synopsis?

[Dragon Turtle]

Full trailer at mtv.com:

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1583143&vid=215625

[Raph's Girl]

Looks good. At least the CGI looks descent this time.

[cqb101]

Full trailer at mtv.com:

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1583143&vid=215625

Meh. I was excited to see this.

[Revan]

What the sam holy hell did I just see!? That's the synopsis? Hulk saves the world from a monster?
I hope it's good.

[Raph's Girl]

What the sam holy hell did I just see!? That's the synopsis? Hulk saves the world from a monster?
I hope it's good.

That monster is known in the comics as Abomination. He's one of the major Hulk enemies. But in the film he's just known as Blonsky (a former KGB agent turned monster) cuz Zak Penn thought the name Abomination was too silly. :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_%28comics%29

Emil Blonsky is a KGB agent and spy who becomes the Abomination after deliberately exposing himself to the same gamma radiation (but in a greater quantity) that transforms Bruce Banner into the Hulk. Blonsky survives the radiation as he (like Bruce Banner) belongs to a small minority born with a genetic factor that causes mutation instead of death.

WTF kind of explination is that?! :lol:

[Jester]

So Norton gets to sit in the editing room and this Penn fool has to have his character re-named. This movie's going to officially suck worse than the Ang Lee pile.

[Raph's Girl]

So Norton gets to sit in the editing room and this Penn fool has to have his character re-named. This movie's going to officially suck worse than the Ang Lee pile.

Norton is Hulk. Tim Roth plays Emil Blonsky/Abomination. They've completly re-tooled the character. In the comics he looks like a huge mutant Lizard/Skrull thing but they changed it so that he's now just some brown thing with no pointy ears. He looks more like a giant skeleton or something. IMO it's not the TRUE Abomination so they've basically pissed off lots of Hulk fans.

This is the action figure of the movie version:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/lox450/abomb.jpg

[Revan]

I hope they don't spend 2 hours explaining bruce's mutaton. Get right into some military vs. bruce!

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Norton is Hulk. Tim Roth plays Emil Blonsky/Abomination. They've completly re-tooled the character. In the comics he looks like a huge mutant Lizard/Skrull thing but they changed it so that he's now just some brown thing with no pointy ears. He looks more like a giant skeleton or something. IMO it's not the TRUE Abomination so they've basically pissed off lots of Hulk fans.

This is the action figure of the movie version:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/lox450/abomb.jpg

It's still a big monster. I don't see what the big deal is, as long as they don't radically change what the Hulk looks like.

I think it looks awesome. I think this summer might be the best summer for superhero movies since the first Spider-Man came out.

[Peanut]

God DAMN IT! Will they ever stop f*cking with us Incredible Hulk fans?

[Mecha Cow]

Meh. It looks nice enough, but a step down from the previous movie. I always preferred Hulk as more of a character study than another super hero, but I guess I'm in the minority. Oh well, I'll see it when it comes out.

[ZariusTwo]

God DAMN IT! Will they ever stop f*cking with us Incredible Hulk fans?

Whos "us"?, I like what there doing

[Peanut]

Whos "us"?, I like what there doing

What "there"? What are you even talking about? How can "there" do anything at all/ Being from the UK, I'd expect you to be able to speak your own language properly.

Also, I don't think anyone gives a sh*t what you think. Maybe it's just me. :)

[Mr. Snackpants]

This is going to be $hit...again.

[Spitfire]

Wow normally you guys are all over these bad comic adaptations. It's nice to see you agree with me in thinking it looks like crap.

At least this Hulk will have a good actor playing Banner, I like Norton a lot. I doubt I'll see it either way unless it gets some amazing reviews. I predict "Ghost Rider" all over again.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Wow normally you guys are all over these bad comic adaptations. It's nice to see you agree with me in thinking it looks like crap.

At least this Hulk will have a good actor playing Banner, I like Norton a lot. I doubt I'll see it either way unless it gets some amazing reviews. I predict "Ghost Rider" all over again.

So there is only going to be 10 minutes of the Hulk in the film, and the rest will just be really bad acting? If that's the case, I at least want to see as much of Liv Tyler as we saw of Eva Mendez.

I guess other people might have info that I don't, but I thought it looked pretty good based on the trailer.

[Revan]

What is the connection between ang lee's and this one. Are they just pretending there isn't already a hulk movie?

[Raph's Girl]

What is the connection between ang lee's and this one. Are they just pretending there isn't already a hulk movie?

Yeah. This one is basically a reboot. There'll be some flashbacks to Hulk's origin but other then that this film completly ignores the continuity of the previous film.

[Raph's Girl]

Anybody seen the new Poster yet?? Is it just me or does the Hulk look like he's about to fart on Banner? *lol* He's looking back at Banner thinking "Hulk fart on puny human!" :lol:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Incrediblehulkposter.jpg

[Spike Spiegel]

Anybody seen the new Poster yet?? Is it just me or does the Hulk look like he's about to fart on Banner? *lol* He's looking back at Banner thinking "Hulk fart on puny human!" :lol:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Incrediblehulkposter.jpg


The white glowy part at the bottom around the logo is the fart, lol.

But seriously, that's a cool poster.

[Barkworm]

Full trailer! (http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/theincrediblehulk/)
Better than the teaser but it still looks like a rather generic action flick. The cheesy music didn't help, either.

[ZariusTwo]

Looks decent. Some simply will refuse to like the movie based on how they didnt "get" the first one, but it's probably going to be fun.

[Revan]

I noticed downey jr. is in this movie as tony stark. what's the story on that? Cameo? It has me excited.

[Raph's Girl]

I noticed downey jr. is in this movie as tony stark. what's the story on that? Cameo? It has me excited.

He has a scene in a bar with Gen. Ross. The scene was actually shown at NYCC. I've yet to find it online tho. I DID however find the description.

In the scene Tony Stark walks in to the bar and says "It smells like stale beer in here," Ross replies "You always have such nice suits." Tony continues "I hear you have a little problem" Ross goes on to say "You should talk" and finally Tony tell Ross "You should listen."

[Revan]

He has a scene in a bar with Gen. Ross. The scene was actually shown at NYCC. I've yet to find it online tho. I DID however find the description.

In the scene Tony Stark walks in to the bar and says "It smells like stale beer in here," Ross replies "You always have such nice suits." Tony continues "I hear you have a little problem" Ross goes on to say "You should talk" and finally Tony tell Ross "You should listen."
Ah I see. Sounds kind of boring. Cool to see tony in hulk though

[odupianist]

After Iron Man this weekend, it'll be cool to see Tony in Hulk. Just more and more tie-ins (which I think are pretty sweet) and all leads up to an Avengers movie.

[Raph's Girl]

After Iron Man this weekend, it'll be cool to see Tony in Hulk. Just more and more tie-ins (which I think are pretty sweet) and all leads up to an Avengers movie.

Yeah. But it was announced that the Avengers movie isn't out till July 2011. :ohwell: BUT Iron Man II will apperantly feature Thor...so that's gonna be interesting.

[Raph's Girl]

Looky who's in the new Hulk trailer! Gee thanks marketing team.. now I don't have to go to the theatre and sit till the end of the credits. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOq0BD_Eiig&fmt=18

[cqb101]

Looky who's in the new Hulk trailer! Gee thanks marketing team.. now I don't have to go to the theatre and sit till the end of the credits. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOq0BD_Eiig&fmt=18

...Except the scene is including in the actual movie and not after the credits. And it's more than 30 seconds long.

[Raph's Girl]

...Except the scene is including in the actual movie and not after the credits. And it's more than 30 seconds long.

Yeah... read that. There's still a surprise scene at the end of the credits tho.

[odupianist]

Saw this last night. I may have to see this Hulk movie now lol

[Raph's Girl]

Ok this is what's going on:

The scene with Tony Stark is litterally at the end of the movie, before the credits.

The scene at the END of the credits features.... Captain America apperantly. This was announced yesterday at Newsarama.

So: Iron Man has his shield, Hulk has the guy himself. No surprise really since the Super Soldier Sirum is used to make Abomination.

[Cure]

Ok this is what's going on:

The scene with Tony Stark is litterally at the end of the movie, before the credits.

The scene at the END of the credits features.... Captain America apperantly. This was announced yesterday at Newsarama.

So: Iron Man has his shield, Hulk has the guy himself. No surprise really since the Super Soldier Sirum is used to make Abomination.

We all know you don't care about spoilers, but could you PLEASE learn to ****ing use them? Everything from this to Spectacular Spider-Man gets ruined thanks to your brain dead ass.

[Peanut]

GOD! F*CK YOU, RAPH'S GIRL! Jesus Christ!

[Mecha Cow]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/MechaCow/Spoiler.png

[Mr. Snackpants]

spolier tagz r ur frendz

tahnks fer ruining teh serprise ending

[Raph's Girl]

Actually I don't believe it at all. *shrugs* Sorry guys :/

[Brodie]

That may be the case, but it doesn't mean you can be a vag and not put spoiler tags around **** that may or may not be in the ****ing movie, idiot.

You might not believe it, but then again you haven't seen the ****ing movie.

[ZariusTwo]

The movie was awesome. I love Lee's version, but this was much more accessible to the right audience. It balanced everything, the psychology, the deapth, the comedy, the action, the acting, everything wasnt half-assed. It was a step up in action and adventure quality completly, nothing outweighed the other (except Liv Tyler could be the living vacuam in a room of energy), and the Hulk battles are some of Marvel's best set-peices since the classic Spidey vs Doctor Octopus fights in Spider-Man 2. You will take one look at the battle with the sonics, and the scenes with the lightning storm and think "Stan Lee breathed this kind of movie for years, now a movie is finally breathing the same breath". THIS is what Jack Kirby slaved over, THIS is what Lee brought to life.

Yes folks, Stark appears before the end credits, but aside from that, we got to see a hint that The Leader will be in the third movie judging from the fate of "Mr. Blue" Samuel Sterns

Apparently 70 minutes were cut from this movie which will appear on the official DVD, these include TWO scenes that were in the trailer

-The scene with Bruce talking to Samson
-The Antartic scene where Bruce...well...

Tries to kill himself and meets Steve Rogers

[cqb101]

Just got back from a midnight showing of this and it was awesome. It went above and beyond my expectations. The final battle between Abomination and Hulk was brutal, tons of ass kicking.

For those of you wondering, there's nothing after the credits, and contrary to some other news, Captain America is not in the film whatsoever.


Finally,

Hulk...Smash! :D

[ZariusTwo]

Captain America is not in the film whatsoever.

And most reports reveal why. They cut over 70 minutes.

[cqb101]

And most reports reveal why. They cut over 70 minutes.

Ya, I know. I can't wait to see the directors cut on DVD.

[Raven]

This is no doubt an amazing film from start to finish, I was just about to jump out of my seat and chear at the end! The journey of Bruce Banner felt more involing compared to Lee's Hulk. We get a nice taste of how Banner is effected by the effects of the Hulk afterwards, such as the flash backs.

The movie also had a very nice cohisive feel to it with the other Marvel films, such as the documents at the begining with all the marvel character names like Nick Fury, Tony stark who also makes an appeance was a very nice touch to the film.

If you dont like this movie, theres something terribly wrong with you! In fact I might be as so bold to say you have no soul.

[Raph's Girl]

Loved it... Looooved it!!

The use of the Weopon Plus, SHIELD, Tony Stark's weopons (they showed in the opening sequence that they were using those) and of course Tony's scene at the end was just awesome. And that battle!! Whoa! What a Battle! Awesome! Abomination: "Any last words?!" Hulk: "Hulk Smash!!"

Oh did anybody else get a free poster??? My theatre was giving out free glow in the dark Hulk posters. Not sure where Im gonna hang it tho but it's a pretty nice poster.

[Jester]

Nope, no free poster, but I liked this movie, but I'm a geek so I'm biased.I did like the in jokes ("You're making me... hungry." Lou Farigno and Stan Lee, ect.) and of course the use of "The Lonely Man" from the 70's Hulk series.

[Raph's Girl]

Nope, no free poster, but I liked this movie, but I'm a geek so I'm biased.I did like the in jokes ("You're making me... hungry." Lou Farigno and Stan Lee, ect.) and of course the use of "The Lonely Man" from the 70's Hulk series.

Yeah!! I noticed that too!! I was like "Hey...that's the theme song...." *L*

When Lou Farigno showed up everyone cheered. :lol: Course he was also the voice of Hulk

[Jester]

Was he....I wondered who was. He was in the 90's animated series, too. :P

[Machias Banshee]

Just got back from seeing this movie and Loved it from start to finish, and especially all the cameos... :D

[Roseangelo]

Gee, I had absolutely no intention of seeing this movie, but with all the positive stuff I'm reading I may have to change my mind on that.

[VaughnMichael]

Gee, I had absolutely no intention of seeing this movie, but with all the positive stuff I'm reading I may have to change my mind on that.
Yeah same here Rose, it looked just as bad as the first movie to me.
But who knows all these guys seem to like, the real test will be if spitfire sees it and enjoys it hahah:lol:

[Jester]

Would it help if I said that dispite my comic book geekieness, I didn't much care for Lee's Hulk. Liked the style, but it had little substance.

[Revan]

I'll laugh if this Hulk bombs as well.
Anyone have a plot synopsis?
Neutrino, you noob! I will admit that I was quite skeptical about this movie. The first teaser did not make me want to see the film but wow, I was way off base! The Incredible Hulk was not only a good comic book movie but an all around great flick.

I thought Hulk's design was much better in this movie. His face and hair looked amazing. The only thing I thought Lee's Hulk did better was explain the origin a bit better. I liked how David Banner created the Hulk and it was stabilized in Bruce's DNA in Lee's Hulk. This one didn't go as far into it which was fine with me since I basically knew Hulk's origin already.

Norton rocked the screen, as usual and he was really a character you couldn't help but root for.

Go see it, yall!

[poiuytre]

I'm quite surprised by the reactions. My friends and I all agreed the movie was pretty mediocre. Might be more fun if you're a Hulk fan. It's not as much as a bore-fest as the previous movie but at least that one was well made in every other aspect.

The new movie features poor acting, awkward lines and bland CG effects with stiff animation that just disconnect you from the film. I would give this movie an X-men 3 out of Iron Man and can only hope they'll be more careful with the Avengers movie.

[Raph's Girl]

The new movie features poor acting, awkward lines and bland CG effects with stiff animation that just disconnect you from the film. I would give this movie an X-men 3 out of Iron Man and can only hope they'll be more careful with the Avengers movie.

Huh... I thought the CG effects were pretty good. Hulk seemed more realistic this time. As did Abomination. Im a fan of the tv series and loved that they played the theme music as Bruce was on the run.

[cowabunga14]

Saw this movie last night and for the most part, I enjoyed it. The action scenes were played out quite well and the CGI looked pretty good. To me, the story felt original and it kept me intrigued. Other than that, not much else to say, except this movie somewhat exceeded my expectations, which is always good. Overall, I'd have to give it an 8/10.

[cqb101]

I'm quite surprised by the reactions. My friends and I all agreed the movie was pretty mediocre. Might be more fun if you're a Hulk fan. It's not as much as a bore-fest as the previous movie but at least that one was well made in every other aspect.

The new movie features poor acting, awkward lines and bland CG effects with stiff animation that just disconnect you from the film. I would give this movie an X-men 3 out of Iron Man and can only hope they'll be more careful with the Avengers movie.

I'm far from a Hulk fan and I absolutely loved the movie, can't wait to see it again. I didn't have any problems with the CGI, I thought it was a huge improvement over the CGI in Lee's film. Outside of Liv Tyler, I thought all of the acting was pretty good. Some of the dialogue could be improved, but I didn't tuink it was bad enough that it distracted from the overall film.

[VaughnMichael]

I'm quite surprised by the reactions. My friends and I all agreed the movie was pretty mediocre. Might be more fun if you're a Hulk fan. It's not as much as a bore-fest as the previous movie but at least that one was well made in every other aspect.

The new movie features poor acting, awkward lines and bland CG effects with stiff animation that just disconnect you from the film. I would give this movie an X-men 3 out of Iron Man and can only hope they'll be more careful with the Avengers movie.
Wait you think the CG looks worse than the last hulk film? I mean because that was pretty damn crappy.
I thought this new one looked ok for what it was..just allot of the character designs are bland to me especially the abomination.

[Mr. Snackpants]

Great movie. I thought this movie would be bad, bad, bad based on the trailers. I actually was hoping it would fail, because the thought of a re-hash(even though it's really not) after only a few years pissed me off. But after the awesomeness that was Iron Man and The Avengers news...I wanted this movie to be great and it was.

Edward Norton. Fantastic. CGI was better than what the trailers indicated. Had great flow to it. This movie surprised the crap outta me, I'm so excited for the Avengers and future Marvel movies.

[ZariusTwo]

The new movie features poor acting, awkward lines and bland CG effects with stiff animation that just disconnect you from the film.

Your free and individual opinion is so fracking wrong it ought to be invaded on grounds of locating WMDs

[cqb101]

Wait you think the CG looks worse than the last hulk film? I mean because that was pretty damn crappy.
I thought this new one looked ok for what it was..just allot of the character designs are bland to me especially the abomination.

How anyone can say the Abomination's design is bland is beyond me. Just because it's not the same as the comics, doesn't make it "bland".

[The Stryker]

I saw it, thought it was great all around.

I probably liked it just a bit more than Iron Man, I'm gonna need to see it again to solidify that.

[Revan]

There was one thing I didn't fully understand. Perhaps there is nothing to it but...
When Abomination kills Mr. Blue, Blue is lying there on the ground and something falls onto the cut on his head. Then his skin starts to move. It's suttle and if you didn't catch it check for it the next time around. But was that significant at all or was it just kinda... there?:ohwell:

[cqb101]

There was one thing I didn't fully understand. Perhaps there is nothing to it but...
When Abomination kills Mr. Blue, Blue is lying there on the ground and something falls onto the cut on his head. Then his skin starts to move. It's suttle and if you didn't catch it check for it the next time around. But was that significant at all or was it just kinda... there?:ohwell:


It's hinting at The Leader as the villain in the next movie.

http://scifipedia.scifi.com/images/thumb/3/30/She-hulk-laywer.jpg/270px-She-hulk-laywer.jpg

[Barkworm]

I saw it a couple of days ago and I was positively surprised by it. It was simply a good and entertaining summer flick, kind of like Iron Man.

[Andrew NDB]

Ed Norton seems to remember his "walking away" very differently than, like, every news story leading up to "The Avengers." As in, he didn't walk away from crap... he was deemed a risk and barred from being a part of it.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/ed-norton-reflects-on-hulk-departure/

[Leo656]

Looking over this thread is funny. Everyone really wanted to hate it, then they saw it and loved it... then a couple of years went by, "The Internet" told everyone it was bad, so nowadays everyone hates it again.

People are so gloriously and consistently full of sh*t. It's grand. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Personally I didn't care. Let Norton be opinionated. Set boundaries if need be. Seeing him interact with everyone in Avengers was like the top thing I was looking forward to.

And now that we see their "we have a big arc for Hulk... it begins in Ragnarok and ends in Endgame" thing... lame. They didn't have one. I want to see what Norton was talking about.

[Leo656]

I liked Ruffalo fine in what I saw, but I'd gladly take Ed Norton and whatever his vision was over what we eventually got. If the man was guilty of anything, it was caring too much and actually trying to inject a little bit of humanity and drama into what eventually became a giant cartoon years later. I can't be mad at him for that.

Everything I've heard and seen of Ragnarok ensures that I'll most likely never watch it. I saw Taika Waititi say somewhere that before he came along, "Asgard didn't look like much of a party town", and I decided then and there that I probably shouldn't watch any of his movies, ever. :lol:

[Sumac]

Thor: Ragnarok is one of the best comic book movies, I've seen, in the sense that it is THE COMIC BOOK movie, being fun and entertaining crazy thing.

I know, some people think to highly of themselves to be bothered with a simple fun, but for everyone else, I can say: its worth it.

[Leo656]

More like, I'm personally more a fan of mythology than comedy, and when I hear that someone's going to tell a story about "The Fall Of The Old Gods", I personally don't think of dick and fart jokes. :roll:

That doesn't in any way imply that I have a problem; more like, I don't think that was the best way to tell that particular kind of story. Maybe it wouldn't seem so off-putting in a different context or a different Thor story, but it doesn't mesh well with that specific one.

As Shane Helms once said to me while we were discussing the Green Lantern movie, "I can't stand it when people think the 'comic' in 'comic book' means everything has to be totally silly. Especially when so many people worked so hard to try and change that the last few years." People can like whatever they want, but when they start implying that it's "wrong" for someone to want things to be taken more seriously from time to time, well, that's a problem.

The guy makes comedies, so he made a comedic Thor movie. That's his prerogative; I personally expect something completely different from a piece of fiction called "Ragnarok" (Plus, the fact that Thor isn't supposed to be a comedic character in the first place). But again, looking at his filmography, it apparently has nothing to do with his view on comic book storylines; his type of "humor" in general simply is not my taste. That new Hitler movie he has coming out, for example, looks dreadful. But people can like it if they want to. I won't be seeing it. But I won't tell you not to, and if you laugh your ass off, more power to you.

I don't like the guy's style in general. That's allowed. I've never been a fan of over-the-top comedies to begin with. The key thing is, while I'm never going to watch, say, "The Hangover", I'm also not going to waste time telling anyone who thinks it's funny that they have some kind of attitude problem. I'm just gonna do my thing and let them do their thing.

[sdp]

I genunely remember people debating whether Hulk or Iron Man had been the better Marvel movie that summer, sure Iron Man was the hit but many argued Hulk had been the better movie. Nowadays the average MCU fanboy says it's noncanon.

[ranger_scout]

I have only been able to sit through two viewings of Ruffalo's performance in Avengers: Infinity War. It was way too hammy and cartoonish in that film. He was coming across as a male version of Bette Midler but almost even more over-the-top. Even when I took my dad to see it in theaters, he wasn't a fan of Ruffalo's performance. Norton is a much better actor in IMHO.

[Leo656]

I genunely remember people debating whether Hulk or Iron Man had been the better Marvel movie that summer, sure Iron Man was the hit but many argued Hulk had been the better movie. Nowadays the average MCU fanboy says it's noncanon.

I know, ain't it weird? People are bipolar as f*ck about this kinda stuff.

[Sumac]

Last time I watched Incredible Hulk, I've nearly fallen asleep.
So there is no way I call it better than an Iron Man.

[Coola Yagami]

I'unno. I liked it and still liked it. It's just jarring in retrospect since we've see Ruffalo in way more movies. Compared to just the Hulk fighting the military all the time and mutant dogs, seeing him fight with someone that was pretty much his equal was pretty awesome.

It's just weird seeing this now with General Ross appearing in newer movies and Tony's cameo in that one that we got Ruffalo in the end. Even though Ross did ask for Banner's whereabouts in one of the movies, those two haven't shared a scene yet in the newer movies. And seeing as Abomination is one of the bad guys that survived, it's a shame we might never see him again.

[Leo656]

The biggest thing that knocked the live-action Hulk projects off-course is the general audience's expectations mixed with a general misunderstanding about what the character represents.

Since he's been an Avenger sometimes, people often mistake Hulk as a "super-hero character" even though he's really not. "Crusading Do-Gooder" isn't really the gimmick; Hulk is a tragedy/horror story specifically based off of Jekyll and Hyde along with traditional werewolf folklore. He originally only got lumped into the Avengers comics due to Marvel Comics suffering financial problems at the time, and he never quite fit in with the rest of them, which is occasionally a story point.

The character isn't supposed to be such comic relief, but since that's what people expected from the MCU version based on pretty much every character being comic relief, that's what we have, but it undercuts the character's potential. Not as much as the studio nonsense that prevents another solo film from ever happening, which is some real piss.

As imperfect as they are, only the Lou Ferrigno TV series and the Ang Lee movie really tried to get past the superficial parts of the character and into the psychological horror it was based on. Unfortunately, the CGI in the Lee version was so terrible it prevents anyone from seeing past it and appreciating the many things it got right, and furthermore, nobody wants to see a "psychological horror" movie about someone they *think* is a conventional super-hero. You can tell them all day long that Hulk is no more a "super-hero" than Lobo, but they aren't going to get it.

There still hasn't been a Hulk movie that really gets it all together in a satisfying way, and that's a shame, because I feel that it's one of the more versatile Marvel characters. You *can* do conventional super-hero stuff with him, but you can also do lots of other things that wouldn't work with other characters. You can do horror, drama, chase movies like "The Fugitive", just about anything, really. But since they can't make a solo film anytime soon, he's stuck as a bit-player, which is the last thing he should be, and definitely limits the type of stories they can tell.

Lee's film nailed the story and the tone, but the CGI was just awful. Norton's was a fun, if rather typical super-hero romp, with much better special effects but it tried a little too hard to be a crowd-pleaser and some of the jokes don't land as a result, and the cast of the Ang Lee version was far superior, so while everyone in the Norton version was serviceable, it still felt like a step backwards.

To be fair, when you start with Sam Elliot, pretty much anything else is a step backwards, and that's not anyone's fault. Sam Elliot!