View Full Version : VENUS...thank God she is scrap.
mariomania
02-17-2003, 01:41 PM
WHo here hated the fact that a new female turtle was brought into the group? So glad the ydecided to scrap her,, was the stupidst thing they could have done,, the turtles should stay 4!
Anyone here actually liked her/?
*raises her hand* I liked the concept.
Now, I'm not saying they should bring her back. The biggest problem I have with the choice to erase Venus from TMNT was the way they did it. They had incorporated her so deeply in the site and TMNT Letters (a sub-universe in itself) and then suddenly, she was gone from there. Very weak and lazy. Honestly, I would have preferred they kill her off instead. There are better ways to get rid of a character then "poof, she's gone!"
If they'd gone about it with a little more creativity, it wouldn't bother me that much. I'd be like, "okay", then go about my business. But no, they had to cop out and be pathetic about it.
mariomania
02-17-2003, 02:11 PM
maybe they knew it was a mistake...like everyone else.. lol,,,was just stupid
Yes, a mistake, but any half-decent artist knows how to cover up a mistake seamlessly. It's NOT that hard, they didn't have to draw attention to it.
GK Punk
02-17-2003, 08:25 PM
*raises her hand* I liked the concept.
Now, I'm not saying they should bring her back. The biggest problem I have with the choice to erase Venus from TMNT was the way they did it. They had incorporated her so deeply in the site and TMNT Letters (a sub-universe in itself) and then suddenly, she was gone from there. Very weak and lazy. Honestly, I would have preferred they kill her off instead. There are better ways to get rid of a character then "poof, she's gone!"
If they'd gone about it with a little more creativity, it wouldn't bother me that much. I'd be like, "okay", then go about my business. But no, they had to cop out and be pathetic about it.
They could have always done the DC Route... (QUICK DESTROY ALL ALTERNATE REALITIES!!!!!)
Shellfox
02-17-2003, 10:24 PM
she was a good concept with a bad execution. Maybe if they had introduced her in a comic or animated series she may have stuck but the fact that she came from the live action hurt her more than anything else.
Psycrow
02-18-2003, 12:02 AM
she was a good concept with a bad execution. Maybe if they had introduced her in a comic or animated series she may have stuck but the fact that she came from the live action hurt her more than anything else.
And the fact that she was the fifth turtle from the bowl (pretty lame in itself) and she knew magic...
MAGIC! :D
ninjaturtles
02-18-2003, 01:01 AM
With Venus being a character. She ruins the whole plot. She is not like her turtle brothers, I mean, like one big difference is that they were named after painters from the Italin Reassisance and she was not, plus they were original characters.
It is just like there being a new Punk Frog and called her Mary Antionfrog, in opposition to Mary Antionette.
It ruins the whole plot. It makes no sense. She should be taken out.
Leonardo
02-18-2003, 02:19 AM
She ruins the whole dynamic foresome thing with her... being. She's like a shackle around the turtlefeet. A new weak ally that really doesnt do anything but get saved.... And her body structure is weeiiird... someone told me that the Next mutation was a bad copy of the Power Rangers... and I agree. Death to Venus De Milo!
That Matt Guy
02-18-2003, 02:29 AM
Venus won't truly be dead until people quit talking about her, SO STOP IT! :lol:
Karpo_007
02-18-2003, 07:47 AM
Well she is dead in every official TMNT form.
Aztec General
02-18-2003, 10:06 AM
I thought Venus and the other new concepts on the Next Mutation were pure genius. I mean a female, secret, fifth turtle, and she knows MAGIC! Then there's the great villians....(smirks) Oh hell I can't even keep a straight face while typing this. Burn Next Mutation, burn, burn, burn!
Shellfox
02-18-2003, 10:36 AM
Bah, I loved Venus, she wasn't usless, she just wasn't experianced. She went from a sheltered life where she was taught magic to a world were she was alone in her past, in a strange place, with people tring to kill her. It was massive culture shock people she wasn't usless.
And I stand by her being a good idea, its sabans that sucks, Venus was the most powerful person in the damn show, and the irradication of her is suck a biased and desrepectful way was a travisty.
Given time she could have been a great chacter, she just needed to be put in the right medium, with the right cretive forces
heretic888
02-18-2003, 11:35 AM
well, i think venus (or character very similar to her) could be incorporated in the ninja turtle epic at some point.....
however, it is essential to remember that in the REAL turtle mythology, one of the big themes is the notion of isolation so much so that one can never really have a chance of perpetuating your 'kind' or of romantic involvement.... now, this may just be a stage in the characters' archetypal growth and such elements like venus could be incorporated later in.
now, the thing i DO have a problem with is not a fifth, female turtle.... that maybe feasible and acceptable at some point in the epic. no, i have a problem with venus' story itself. washed down the drain?? shinobi?? magic?? what the hell??? it has saban written all over it....
no, if we are gonna get venus or someone like her and put her in the tmnt epic than we need to radically rework her story. this 'shinobi' ("I'm not ninja, I am shinobi." :lol: :lol: ) bit ain't cuttin' it.....
There were so many other origins they could have used. Scientific experiment, genetic experimentation, radiation, a different canister of ooze, or maybe she just had no idea where she came from. Saban's story had a LOT of holes. The only thing she knew for certain was that she was found in a New York drainage ditch, they "filled in" the parts about her being in the jar with them and floating away. It's possible that never happened. I still say she's evil and is just biding her time until she can claim ultimate power for her own and take over the world. Bwahahahaha!
I so wanna buy her character rights. And maybe those of the other characters like Dragonlord and Bonesteel. Just spent all my cash on figures and socks, but I'm sure I can strike a deal with Peter. Then he'd have a good excuse for not using her: "I don't own her!" :lol:
heretic888
02-18-2003, 11:58 AM
heh. if demilo tried to take over the world, she would so get her 'shinobi' ass kicked... :lol: :lol:
HorseTechie
02-18-2003, 12:01 PM
she was a good concept with a bad execution. Maybe if they had introduced her in a comic or animated series she may have stuck but the fact that she came from the live action hurt her more than anything else.
Agreed. :D
You don't hear people moaning about Ninjara or Mona Lizard, now do yah?
heretic888
02-18-2003, 12:03 PM
well, Mona Lisa WAS a lil' lame..... :D
Aztec General
02-18-2003, 03:20 PM
Heretic is right, in the Mirage comics the TMNT isolation was a recurrent theme. One of the best examples was Vol. 1 Issue 28 by Jim Lawson. I believe it was titled "Sons of the Silent Age". An absolutely brilliant, yet depressing issue.
Sparvid
02-18-2003, 04:19 PM
she was a good concept with a bad execution. Maybe if they had introduced her in a comic or animated series she may have stuck but the fact that she came from the live action hurt her more than anything else.
Agreed. :D
You don't hear people moaning about Ninjara or Mona Lizard, now do yah?Everybody loooves Ninjara, right? :D
rayfillet101
02-18-2003, 07:27 PM
rite, everyone loves ninjara!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I do like venus as a character, they overdid the shinobi thing though.
azure turtle
02-18-2003, 07:30 PM
I liked Venus. I hated how Saban characterized her. 'Nuff said. :tread:
HorseTechie
02-19-2003, 11:40 AM
Heretic is right, in the Mirage comics the TMNT isolation was a recurrent theme. One of the best examples was Vol. 1 Issue 28 by Jim Lawson. I believe it was titled "Sons of the Silent Age". An absolutely brilliant, yet depressing issue.
Yes, I like that theme in Mirage too. You don't see me trying to write out sappy gettin-it-on romance fics in that universe either.
To each universe is their own, is what I go by. What works in one, will not work in the other. But since TNM was based off of the movies.. and that isn't like Mirage, I was cool with it. But then Saban had to make it soooo crappy. *sai*
well, Mona Lisa WAS a lil' lame..... :D
She was lame because in the cartoon she was only in one episode. It just didn't make sense to have a story about her and never use her again.
Apple Cat
02-25-2003, 08:32 PM
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Apple Cat, u thought venus was hot?
Apple Cat
02-25-2003, 08:49 PM
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Greed
02-25-2003, 08:59 PM
Just like some fan-girls find the other turtles attractive so it is less weirder than you think
GK Punk
02-26-2003, 12:25 AM
Im sorry, I dont mean to offend anyone.. but Fidning a Turtle to be attractive does seem a little odd... But what do I know, eh?
andrew
02-26-2003, 12:36 AM
i do know one thing... thats venus figure sure was sexy
Im sorry, I dont mean to offend anyone.. but Fidning a Turtle to be attractive does seem a little odd... But what do I know, eh?
I agree but i guess its personal preference.
HorseTechie
02-26-2003, 12:40 PM
Im sorry, I dont mean to offend anyone.. but Fidning a Turtle to be attractive does seem a little odd... But what do I know, eh?
:lol: Yes, you best stay away from a certain group of drooly fan girls on these here forums who drop dead for any of the male turtles. :P
*admits she is not the drooly fan girl type* Yeah... I only drool over awesome CG art done of them. Including Venus... and Ninjara.
:goofygri:
Machias Banshee
02-26-2003, 01:01 PM
:lol: Yes, you best stay away from a certain group of drooly fan girls on these here forums who drop dead for any of the male turtles. :P
...or male rodents.... :D :goofygri:
Zenrick
02-26-2003, 01:53 PM
Im sorry, I dont mean to offend anyone.. but Fidning a Turtle to be attractive does seem a little odd... But what do I know, eh?
:lol: Yes, you best stay away from a certain group of drooly fan girls on these here forums who drop dead for any of the male turtles. :P
*admits she is not the drooly fan girl type* Yeah... I only drool over awesome CG art done of them. Including Venus... and Ninjara.
:goofygri:
Its pretty irritating that people can 'pretend' that the turtles really exist and get all excited thinking of them and such.....I wish they were real so that they could poop a bunch of eggs onto your beds and then swiftly jump kick you square in the cheekbone.
Apple Cat
02-26-2003, 02:51 PM
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Brodie
02-26-2003, 03:55 PM
Venus was Leo's deformed clone in drag. Confused by only recieving half of Leo's mentality, he became, and thought, he was a woman. And the deformed-ness explains the chest and lack of muscle structure.
Im sorry, I dont mean to offend anyone.. but Fidning a Turtle to be attractive does seem a little odd... But what do I know, eh?
Well, heck there are quite a few humans I find attractive as well. It's the "exoticness", along with the great personalities I find attractive. Their Turtle qualities are actually very low on the list. I don't think regular turtles are that attractive. Cute, in a pet shop way, but not attractive.
But honestly, I don't care what color skin you have, when your muscles bulge like that *swoons*
Brodie
02-26-2003, 04:46 PM
Im sorry, I dont mean to offend anyone.. but Fidning a Turtle to be attractive does seem a little odd... But what do I know, eh?
Well, heck there are quite a few humans I find attractive as well. It's the "exoticness", along with the great personalities I find attractive. Their Turtle qualities are actually very low on the list. I don't think regular turtles are that attractive. Cute, in a pet shop way, but not attractive.
But honestly, I don't care what color skin you have, when your muscles bulge like that *swoons*
Carnage and Venom have huge, bulging muscles....You swoon for those Slobbery, honkin' Villians?
Carnage and Venom have huge, bulging muscles....You swoon for those Slobbery, honkin' Villians?
Well, considering that you used the word SLOBBERY to describe them, I'm gonna have to say no. :lol:
Brodie
02-26-2003, 05:23 PM
I think it's slobber.........
Apple Cat
02-26-2003, 05:56 PM
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Brodie
02-26-2003, 05:58 PM
I thought I explained that in my post.....
Apple Cat
02-26-2003, 06:04 PM
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Brodie
02-26-2003, 06:36 PM
Venus was Leo's deformed clone in drag. Confused by only recieving half of Leo's mentality, he became, and thought, he was a woman. And the deformed-ness explains the chest and lack of muscle structure.
That doesn't explain my hatred?
Apple Cat
02-26-2003, 07:54 PM
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Greed
02-26-2003, 09:19 PM
He said deformed
Apple Cat
02-26-2003, 09:41 PM
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Greed
02-26-2003, 09:44 PM
He said shes a deformed clone of Leo that thought he was a she
TMNTGal
02-26-2003, 11:11 PM
Im sorry, I dont mean to offend anyone.. but Fidning a Turtle to be attractive does seem a little odd... But what do I know, eh?
No, it's no odd, not in the slightest bit. They're alot sexier than humans anyday! Come on Grunder_Kittie you can reveal your true feelings here. :lol:
Well, heck there are quite a few humans I find attractive as well. It's the "exoticness", along with the great personalities I find attractive. Their Turtle qualities are actually very low on the list. I don't think regular turtles are that attractive. Cute, in a pet shop way, but not attractive.
But honestly, I don't care what color skin you have, when your muscles bulge like that *swoons*
Exoticness, eroticness, it's all good. Heh heh heh heh... I'm the other way around, I love the Turtle qualities, it's all so very interesting. I totally agree with your last line. I was going to mention something else pertaining to bulging but I think I've said to much already. :wink:
The other guys are cute but only Leo's the steamy hot one. Mmmmm... *melts in her chair* BTW Kali I read your fan fic the other day, the one entitled "Midori". Loved it! No one can resist Leo's charms. Mwa ha ha ha!
BTW Kali I read your fan fic the other day, the one entitled "Midori". Loved it! No one can resist Leo's charms. Mwa ha ha ha!
Heh heh, thanks. :D
And Raph's the sexy one. :evilgrin:
HorseTechie
02-27-2003, 11:30 AM
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The only gruff I have against Venus, is that she has 'tits'. It makes no sense whatsoever to put mammary glands on a reptile, especially if there weren't any human genes involved to make her that way (as so it seems for TNM).
Of course... since Ninjara is at least a mammal and that she's patterned after the other female furry animorphs, then I don't question the logic of why she has 2 instead of 6. :P :lol:
*does realize that the TMNT are NOT real... and in part is very glad of that*
:wink:
LOL! Funny you should mention that, HT. I'm doing a comic short with my characters from Animal Instinct discussing this very subject, why the female reptilian characters have breasts. Officially, I chalk it up to gender identification and aesthetics. :D But my fox-girl is having serious regrets about suggesting it be more realistic. :evilgrin:
heretic888
02-27-2003, 12:44 PM
its pretty funny..... turtles don't have mammary glands. or eyelashes.
in addition, if i am not mistaken, female turtles are in fact larger than males. gee.... that opens up a new can of worms, huh??
if there really were a female mutant turtle, she woul dbe indistinguishable from the tmnt.... except she might be a little bigger.
GK Punk
02-27-2003, 09:25 PM
[quote=grunger_kittie]Im sorry, I dont mean to offend anyone.. but Fidning a Turtle to be attractive does seem a little odd... But what do I know, eh?
No, it's no odd, not in the slightest bit. They're alot sexier than humans anyday! Come on Grunder_Kittie you can reveal your true feelings here. :lol:
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:lol:
Well I do like Catgirl anime characters I guess, but hey to each their own I guess :lol:
I guess I have a sour view on "furries" (and anything similar to it) because of this guy I used to know, he probably gave everyone a bad name...
(this guy was twisted... and not because he found Leo sexy)
Edit: Changed my wording, as to not sound offensive.. I hope :wink:
Apple Cat
02-27-2003, 10:04 PM
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GK Punk
02-27-2003, 10:09 PM
I guess I have a sour view on "furries" (and anything similar to it) because of this guy I used to know, he probably gave everyone a bad name... (this guy was twisted... and not because he found Leo sexy) why was he so "twisted"? what did he do?
He was(is?) Just not right in the head... he's done some sick things, and I really don't want to say it here, because well it's just not right. Sad thing is we used to be really good friends, then something happened to him. He just changed :cry:
Apple Cat
02-27-2003, 10:15 PM
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GK Punk
02-27-2003, 10:17 PM
He was(is?) Just not right in the head... he's done some sick things, and I really don't want to say it here, because well it's just not right. Sad thing is we used to be really good friends, then something happened to him. He just changed :cry: did he do zoo sex stuff? if he did he is sick!
*puts finger on nose...
Bingo...
I knew he was in to fur before that, but that kinda changed things ya know?
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And I know it's not right of me to get the 2 mixed in to one thing, but when that's your experience with the subject, you can't help it... and I mean NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE HERE!! CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH!! and you can PM me if you want to get further in to it, I don't really want to say more on the Messageboards...
Apple Cat
02-27-2003, 10:35 PM
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HorseTechie
02-28-2003, 03:16 PM
Yeah... sodomy is a very strange sickness. In some forms of fantasy that stays as fantasy, I let things slide. But you can bet one in a million I'd never do anything of the sort in real life (besides the simple wish to not burn in hell). :dead:
But anyway... as we were saying. I don't think there was naything worng with having Venus around, as long as she adhered to the TNM universe. And then keep the Mirage universe as that was.
TMNTGal
03-01-2003, 08:41 PM
Heh heh, thanks. :D
And Raph's the sexy one. :evilgrin:
Heh heh heh! If Raph is your fave Turtle why'd you have your Turtle character fall for Leo? Did you write other fics with this same character?
To Grunger_Kittie, I was just joking around with ya. :P And no comment on that guy you used to know. :sick:
Back to Venus again, I didn't mind her so much. I just wish Saban wouldn't of made her so ditzy. Her mistakes were funny the first few times but then she just sounded like a moron. :lol:
GK Punk
03-02-2003, 02:13 AM
Well I finally saw the Debut of Next Mutation... I don't know, she seems to throw the dynamic a little... Maybe with a little more time and character devolpment, she could have been a good character, but I guess now we'll never know.
I think They should have another female character, just not nessiarily a turtle, I'd still like to see a Cat or something.
andrew
03-02-2003, 03:40 AM
... i say a tapir ...or a bandicoot ... maybe and echidna or a ferret..
Reznorite420
03-02-2003, 01:26 PM
DOWN WITH VENUS!
Heh heh, thanks. :D
And Raph's the sexy one. :evilgrin:
Heh heh heh! If Raph is your fave Turtle why'd you have your Turtle character fall for Leo? Did you write other fics with this same character?
No, not the same character. At the moment, I have over 30 fan fics to my name, some short, some long. And more in the brainstorming stage. I think, if I added everything up, Raph would get the most action, and most of those characters are heavily based on myself. But I don't wanna leave the others out in the cold either. I'm a balanced fan fiction writer, and I don't let my Raph fangirl-tendency interfere with my storytelling.
Apple Cat
03-02-2003, 08:04 PM
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TalonMC
03-06-2003, 01:09 AM
I don't mind the concept behind Venus's character, but I *didn't* like the fact that Saban was behind the Next Mutation. As soon as I heard that, I thought "Oh no... The show is going to be like Power Rangers." And it was. Cheesy lines. Fake fighting. Stupid filler scenes (and reused scenes) and a lack of real character development. I didn't like anything about the show... but it was TMNT... and so I watched it.
Getting back to Venus... I like the idea of their being another turtle character. Note, I didn't say a new "TMNT" character. There are only 4 TMNT and they should stay that way. There were only 4 turtles in the bowl... not 5. I have no problem with her being a mutant turtle that was raised to be shinobi. I have no problem with her travelling to NYC to find Splinter and the TMNT. But she shouldn't be their blood relative. I think, if anything she should be a surrogate younger sister to them... or maybe a love interest to one of them, but I'm no fanfic writer so I don't know what sounds better on paper.
At any rate, Venus is ok in my book... as long as she's included in the TMNT universe in a proper and serious manner. Hell, I like her so much I even made HeroClix stats for her.
(And yeah, she is pretty damn hot!) :P
-MC
Actually, they proved in the show she was not a blood relative, and none of the guys are related either. She was seen as a sister though, and maybe if there had been a second season we might have seen some romance. (I still vote for her pairing with Leo or Mike, though she's been paired with pretty much everyone.)
And they simply assumed that she was in the jar with them. They don't have any proof. I still think there's a much bigger story behind the whole thing.
So, yeah, Saban is evil incarnate, Venus and the TMNT were simply innocent bystanders. :D
Sparvid
03-06-2003, 10:32 AM
Actually, they proved in the show she was not a blood relative, and none of the guys are related either.Two questions: How? and Why?
HorseTechie
03-06-2003, 10:36 AM
How and Why? That will never be known, for Saban does not make sense! :roll:
Well I finally saw the Debut of Next Mutation... I don't know, she seems to throw the dynamic a little... Maybe with a little more time and character devolpment, she could have been a good character, but I guess now we'll never know.
But then... there are always fanifcs!
Actually, they proved in the show she was not a blood relative, and none of the guys are related either.Two questions: How? and Why?
They never say! Leo and Vee are talking and he tells her that he and the other guys aren't related, and that Venus is not their sister. It then goes on into a very awkward psuedo-romantic moment that makes me gag every time I see it. But it's worth it for the "Let's return to your home in the toilet." line. "That's sewer." "What's the difference?" "Well, actually, not a lot." :lol:
But if you read the TMNT Letters on the Official Site, "Don" claims to have blood tested his brothers and Venus, so they know they aren't blood related.
Apple Cat
03-07-2003, 10:47 AM
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She did become a surrogate "sister", the same way the guys see Splinter as their "father", even though they aren't even the same species. She wasn't part of the continuum very long, and they were still feeling each other out when she "disappeared". I think the guys were still thinking romance, and it's very hard to think that way about someone you consider a sister.
Krangfan
03-07-2003, 01:36 PM
Wow, all this talk about Venus and how bad she is, makes me glad I didn't see the series :kgrin:
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