DC Animated Universe

[ToTheNines]

I guess we can use this as a discussion for Batman: TAS and it's spin-offs, Superman: TAS, Justice League and so forth.

I loved all of these shows as a kid and now that I'm caught up with most of my TMNT I'm starting to collect these. I already got Batman vol. 1, any one know where I can get the rest of the DVD's for a low price? Most of them are $40 at FYE and around $30 at amazon.com. I know they're worth that, but I'm a tightwad :D

[Jon]

Well, of course, can try Best Buy. They might be a little less than Amazon.

[Jester]

I'm not sutre how much it cost to pick up all 5 series (BM:TAS, SM:TAS, BM:B, JL, and JLU.) There's also, to a lesser extent, so much so they haven't been released, Zata Project (Spin-off of Batman:Beyond) and Static Shock.

[Brodie]

Your best bet is to hit up DVD/record store/comic/specialty shops, like Bullmoose Music, Newbury Comics, and SoundGarden (these are all Eastern based things, but I'm sure there's some similar shops). They usually sell DVDs less than other stores, and also have a wide variety of used DVDs that also sell for less.

Bullmoose specifically...I snagged seasons of Samurai Jack for 19 bucks.

I know for a fact that Bullmoose has a website, and you can order through them, and their prices are pretty ****ing good. All new releases are two dollars less than the lowest price of that DVD in the area. IE, Wal Mart sells the Mist for 20, and they sell it for as low as 16.88

Also, don't be terribly afraid of snagging dvds from the 'New & used' section of Amazon. You can get most of those DVD sets for around 20 or less.

[Drtooth]

Your best bet is to hit up DVD/record store/comic/specialty shops, like Bullmoose Music, Newbury Comics, and SoundGarden (these are all Eastern based things, but I'm sure there's some similar shops). They usually sell DVDs less than other stores, and also have a wide variety of used DVDs that also sell for less.


Man, I was there a couple summers back, and saw the Electric Company Volume 1 at the cheapest price I have ever seen it. Even better than newburry. Of course, since it's in new hampshire, I don't go there too often.

Best Buy may have it for a decent price, but some of their box sets cost more than certain other stores.

i'm wondering if these are still available myself. The Batman TAS boxes that is.

[Jon]

i'm wondering if these are still available myself. The Batman TAS boxes that is.


Like To The Nines said, I recall seeing them at FYE recently too. Not sure about Best Buy, but would think so.


* Edit: Just remember -- If have a BJ's Wholesale around, I have seen the Batman TAS Sets there on-and-off in recent months too.

[ToTheNines]

Thanks for all the advice. Deep Discounts (even though I hate them for slow shipping and customer service) is having a 20 percent off sale from 6-6 to 6-20 (enter: DDAF as a promo code) so I'll probably get the rest of Batman + Mask of the Phantasm and mabey a Beyond season.

Question: I remember watching Justice League a bit as a kid but I can't seem to remember how much Conroy changed his bat-voice in the series. I know he did atleast a tad, any one care to explain further?

[Spike Spiegel]

One thing that I noticed in JL/JLU is that Conroy sounded a little raspier (in some eps you'd think he has a cold). His voice doesn't have the same deep tone that you can detect in Batman: TAS. It sounds a little closer to his eighty or so year old self in Batman Beyond, but also different. In the episode "The Once and Future Thing" Part 2, young Bruce meets his older self and there are differences in pitch, tone, etc. that are evident.

I often wondered about that too, but it makes sense since the Justice League is later in the timeline...

[ToTheNines]

One thing that I noticed in JL/JLU is that Conroy sounded a little raspier (in some eps you'd think he has a cold). His voice doesn't have the same deep tone that you can detect in Batman: TAS. It sounds a little closer to his eighty or so year old self in Batman Beyond, but also different. In the episode "The Once and Future Thing" Part 2, young Bruce meets his older self and there are differences in pitch, tone, etc. that are evident.

I often wondered about that too, but it makes sense since the Justice League is later in the timeline...

Cool, I thought so.

Another question to anyone who's seen most of the DCAU shows in whole: What order would you recommend watching them in? Right now I'm thinking Batman, Superman, Justice League, Batman Beyond then Justice League Unlimited.

[Spike Spiegel]

Cool, I thought so.

Another question to anyone who's seen most of the DCAU shows in whole: What order would you recommend watching them in? Right now I'm thinking Batman, Superman, Justice League, Batman Beyond then Justice League Unlimited.

You pretty much have it right. For me as a viewer, that's the order that I watched them in. Also don't forget the awesome "New Batman Superman Adventures" show between Superman and JL. Here's the intro, which gave me chills of excitement when I was eight because it was so full of awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JQ_spwuH_o

That order is important due to timeline issues. JL, for exmple makes a lot more sense if you watched both the Batman and Superman shows, and JLU only makes sense if you watched Batman Beyond (especially "Epilogue", the season 2 finale), etc., etc. Also, don't skip out on any of the direct to video/TV films if you can find them, especially Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, Batman and Mr. Freeze:SubZero, and Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker, because they all matter to the continuity.

[ToTheNines]

You pretty much have it right. For me as a viewer, that's the order that I watched them in. Also don't forget the awesome "New Batman Superman Adventures" show between Superman and JL.

I thought that was just Volume 4 of Batman and Volume 3 of Superman played back to back. If not, I can't seem to find it on DVD.

Also, don't skip out on any of the direct to video/TV films if you can find them, especially Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, Batman and Mr. Freeze:SubZero, and Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker, because they all matter to the continuity.

I've seen all of those, they're great (only own BB: ROTJ). But what about Mystery of the Batwoman? I heard it sucks, is it even worth my money?

[DrSpengler]

I've seen all of those, they're great (only own BB: ROTJ). But what about Mystery of the Batwoman? I heard it sucks, is it even worth my money?

It sucks pretty hard, yeah. It doesn't have much repercussions on the DCAU other than being the final canonical appearances of the Penguin and Rupert Thorn. Bane appears and provides a pretty good fight at the finale, but that's really it.

The movie was made several years after the New Batman Adventures had wrapped up, so a few voice actors had been changed (Penguin and Robin). They also for whatever reason decide to go with a jazz soundtrack over the traditional gothic score and it sounds awful (particularly the "music video" segment in the middle of the movie at the Iceburg Lounge).

It can easily be skipped.

[ZariusTwo]

I've seen all of those, they're great (only own BB: ROTJ). But what about Mystery of the Batwoman? I heard it sucks, is it even worth my money?


The short Paul Dini wrote for the DVD, the all jazz-score "Chase Me", is only five minutes long and is a better movie than "Mystery of the Batwoman"

[Spike Spiegel]

The short Paul Dini wrote for the DVD, the all jazz-score "Chase Me", is only five minutes long and is a better movie than "Mystery of the Batwoman"

Yeah, and it's You-Know-Where. I'd highly recommend it. My mom saw it on the DVD after the movie (which she rather hated), and she liked it too.

[Raven]

I've seen all of those, they're great (only own BB: ROTJ). But what about Mystery of the Batwoman? I heard it sucks, is it even worth my money?

Mystery of the Batwoman was a huge let down, it really wasent up to par with the rest of the series. It had a plot that was quite interesting but the excution of it was horrible, like DrSpengler said they put in jazz scores which destroy the mood of the film all together.

On the other hand I have been watching the Return of Joker almost every week, I still get shills from the flash back scene. Espically when Joker is playing the little film of what they did to Tim Drake, just the line
"Behind all the sturm and bat-o-rangs, you're just a little boy in a playsuit, crying for mommy and daddy! It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic."

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, I'll prolly buy it used for completions sake.

One thing that annoys me alot about Batman vol. 1 but ain't a big deal: Penguin is on the spine! Firstly, I don't really even like him... plus he has one damn episode on the set, in which he gets beat by some little nerd. You'd think it would have been Joker, since he had 4 episodes (plus cameos) and he's The Joker. If not him, they should have used Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Catwoman or Scarecrow ahead of the Penguin, or even an ally. I mean Aflred is way cooler than Cobblepot!

[Spike Spiegel]

Did any of you guys think that Batman Beyond had a sort of futuristic 80s vibe, sort of like Back to the Future Part II's version of the year 2015? I say say this because of the design of the city, their clothes (i.e. Derek Powers' mullet), and the music (especially the stuff that plays when Terry and Dana go dancing, etc.).

Any thoughts on that?

[ToTheNines]

Did any of you guys think that Batman Beyond had a sort of futuristic 80s vibe, sort of like Back to the Future Part II's version of the year 2015? I say say this because of the design of the city, their clothes (i.e. Derek Powers' mullet), and the music (especially the stuff that plays when Terry and Dana go dancing, etc.).

Any thoughts on that?

Yeah that was really neat considering how Batman TAS took place in the 90's but the style was like the 40's.

[ToTheNines]

Just thought I'd let everyone know, Batman DVD's are on sale big time at amazon (under $20) and Justice Leauge is $20 a season.

And about Mystery of the Batwoman. I still haven't seen it, but does the fact that I loved The New Batman Adventures make it likely that I'll enjoy it alot?

[ZariusTwo]

Just thought I'd let everyone know, Batman DVD's are on sale big time at amazon (under $20) and Justice Leauge is $20 a season.

And about Mystery of the Batwoman. I still haven't seen it, but does the fact that I loved The New Batman Adventures make it likely that I'll enjoy it alot?

That movie is an eyesore.

Seriously, it has some of the most irritable characters ever conceived for the animated series. Burnett half-assed it, it's far too light-hearted, it's got some abysmal latin number in the middle and ending of the film...generally it's a disgrace to the New Batman Adventures and finished off the film run on a poor note. The sole highlights are a battle with Bane, a scene that essentially screams phone sex between Barbera and Bruce, the plot twist about Batwoman, David Ogden Stires as Penguin and a five minute jazz score short written by Paul Dini that's seperate from the movie.

[Mandi-chan]

I liked "The Mystery of the Batwoman" when it first came out (even though I hated seeing Bruce and that woman hooking up, since I'm fan of Barbara/Bruce), but I may not like it so much now.

I also noticed that sweet sale on amazon.com...but then I discovered something even better than that (If I were you, I wouldn't buy those individual sets if you haven't done so yet...):

Because on November 4th, 2008, Batman: The Complete Animated Series dvd set will be released (and amazon.com already has it listed for pre-order at $76.00)

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/the-batman4.html

All I can say is...HELL YEAH (man, am I glad I decided to wait on getting the show on dvd...)

[ToTheNines]

(If I were you, I wouldn't buy those individual sets if you haven't done so yet...)

I have, and I'm keeping them. Imagine trying to make that big set look good standing next to Batman Beyond and Justice League on my DCAU shelf.

[AquaParade]

Don't mean to clog up this thread, but i felt it was better then making a new one . Wondering how you guys felt about Vol.3 of The Batman animated series vs Vol.4...the Gotham Knights one. I'm picking one up this week and just wanted to get opinions. The only thing I've really heard about vol. 4 is just that Never Fear is good...anything else stand out that makes it worth buying? How about season three?

Oh and...The movie was amazing :D

[ToTheNines]

Don't mean to clog up this thread, but i felt it was better then making a new one . Wondering how you guys felt about Vol.3 of The Batman animated series vs Vol.4...the Gotham Knights one. I'm picking one up this week and just wanted to get opinions. The only thing I've really heard about vol. 4 is just that Never Fear is good...anything else stand out that makes it worth buying? How about season three?

Oh and...The movie was amazing :D

First off, we do have a DCAU thread.

But yeah, those are both great buys. Vol 3 has great episodes like "Shadow of the Bat", "Bane", "House and Garden", "Lock-up", and my favorite "A Bullet for Bullock"

I personally loved "Gotham Knights", mabey it's because I under-estimated it (because of the art revamp) but I watched the whole set in about 2 days when I first got it. Great episodes are: "Sins of the Father", "You Scratch My Back", "Growing Pains", "Over the Edge", "Old Wounds", "Mad Love", and "Judgement Day".

I don't recall dis-liking any episode and the only thing I can complain about is some poor re-casting choices... But the fact that Nightwing is in it makes up for it.

[Spike Spiegel]

First off, we do have a DCAU thread.

I don't recall dis-liking any episode and the only thing I can complain about is some poor re-casting choices... But the fact that Nightwing is in it makes up for it.

When I first saw it on TV, I remember not iliking the Joker's redesign, but the quality of the eps, in a way, outshone the previous seasons. They knew exactly what they were doing, and their goal was to make it edgier than ever (like the reference to The Dark Knight Returns in "Legends of the Dark Knight." And there was one ep which was a flashback where Robin (Dick) slugs Batman in the face.

TNBA was for Batman TAS what JLU was for Justice League. It took the mythology the show was built on and expanded it without satiring itself like so many shows end up doing.

And I rather liked Nightwing as well. I was saddened by his absnce in the later shows. He should have at least appeared in Batman Beyond somewhere. He would have been alive--Bruce, Tim, and Barbara all were. I bet he would been this laid back old guy that looked basically the same, probably keeping himself in pretty good shape like Bruce did, not ending up like Tim, with the potbelly and all.

[ToTheNines]

Can anyone confirm that season 2 of Justice League is better than the first? All the reviews on Amazon say so, but I'd like to see what you guys have to say.

[Spike Spiegel]

Season Two of JL is just as good as any season of JLU. Wait unitl you see "Wild Cards," "Starcrossed," and "Hereafter."

If you can, just buy it. I wish I could.

[The Terror of Death]

If you buy any season of JL make sure its JL season 2. IMO the order of best seasons are JL season 2> JLU season 2> JLU season 1> JL season 1. I dont think there was a single episode of Justice League season 2 I didnt like. Your doing yourself a disservice if you dont see it since it has some of the best episodes of a DCAU cartoon.

[ToTheNines]

Cool, I was worried that I was the only one who didn't really like season 1 too much.

[Spike Spiegel]

No, Season 1's stories were clunky. It sucked pretty hard, even to my ten or eleven year old mind at the time when I first saw the eps. On one of the DVDs, Timm and co. actually admitted that they were still finding their stride with the show during that season.

[Time Mistress]

Best Buy seems to be having a sale on all the DCU animated shows as part of a The Dark Knight sale or something. I just got Batman Beyond season 2 which is normally $40 for $13 last week. Now all I need are the Phantasm and Batwoman movies to complete my DCU animated DVD collection.

[ToTheNines]

Just got JL Season 2. I haven't watched all of it yet, but it's waaaaay better than season 1. In season 1 it was like they made every episode a 2-parter just for the hell of it, where in season 2 the stories fill out two episodes nicely.

[ToTheNines]

I've read in several places that Tim Drake was at superman's funeral. I watched that scene twice and didn't catch him, Robin or Alred at the actual funeral. Am I dumb?

[Jester]

In JL or SMTAS?

[ToTheNines]

Justice Leauge

[gobo]

Question: Does anyone know if the Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker/Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman Double Feature has the edited or uncut RotJ on it? Since it's both movies crammed onto one disc, I don't know what to expect. But, the case for my RotJ Uncut bugs me with the way it catches on everything and just looks out of place with the rest of the series. >_<

[ToTheNines]

Question: Does anyone know if the Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker/Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman Double Feature has the edited or uncut RotJ on it? Since it's both movies crammed onto one disc, I don't know what to expect. But, the case for my RotJ Uncut bugs me with the way it catches on everything and just looks out of place with the rest of the series. >_<

It's the edited version, sorry.

I'm in my second time through the whole DCAU right now, really excited since I'm about to hit The New Batman Adventures.

[Drtooth]

I'd skip the double disk and track down the Uncut version, me self. Same goes with Mask of the Phantasm. It only had it in Full Frame (Sesame Street is now being filmed in widescreen- that kills the myth that full frame is "Family (or kid) Friendly" IMO). It shouldn't be too hard to find... you may have to pay more, but its usually worth it.

Plus I heard Mystery of the Batwoman was pretty uneven anyway....

[ToTheNines]

I just noticed something annoying: Two-Face should be able to figure out that Batman is Bruce.

In "Sins of the Father" Tim gives him crap, and then later he saves the day as Robin. So if he knows who Robin is, it wouldn't be long until he makes the connection.

[ToTheNines]

Finally got Mystery of the Batwoman, and considering that I only paid 6 bucks for it: I liked it.

The story wasn't bad (ending was lame tho), music was better than what I was expecting, Robin was funny and Alfred was hillarious.

I actually liked this new Robin voice, no Matt Valencia but he was good. Hated Banes new voice, hated Penguins new voice, and while it was nice to see Rupert Throne... he kinda just stood there fidgeting with playing cards.

It was a pretty pointless movie, added almost nothing to the canon, wasn't even touched by Dini or Timm, but it was still enjoyable.

[Spike Spiegel]

I am counting down the days until November 7th...I pre-ordered that new "complete" edition of Batman TAS in its entirety.

I just can't wait!!

[gobo]

Can anyone tell me if the SubZero/Phantasm Double Feature retained all the bonus content of the individual releases?

[AquaParade]

Lets see here...

Mask of the Phantasm doesn't have anything but a theatrical trailer. I don't know what the original release had. Sub Zero seems to have em all...how to draw batman, "the hunt for mr. freeze", etc.

[Spitfire]

I just finished off Justice League Unlimited. It was sad to see it end but what a closing. I read somewhere online it was canceled because obtaining rights to all the villains was hard. I was unaware WB didn't made Dark Knight but apparently because of the The Joker wasn't allowed to be used in the series anymore.

I'm currently working on collecting the rest of the series. I have all of Batman I just need Superman and the first two seasons of Justice League. Static Shock and Zeta aren't on DVD yet so no luck there.

[Spike Spiegel]

I just got Batman TAS for my birthday...


I tried to show the first act of "Holiday Knights" in my Junior Year High School Honors English class for a presentation about the history of animation...my classmates looked at me like I was a retard.

My teacher liked it, though...

[gobo]

Teachers have the opinions that matter. Don't worry about the rest.

[ZariusTwo]

I just finished off Justice League Unlimited. It was sad to see it end but what a closing. I read somewhere online it was canceled because obtaining rights to all the villains was hard.

The fifth season wasnt intended to happen at all. The fourth season was meant to be the final one (Epilouge" isnt called that for nothing, it's the final chapter of pretty much the whole DCAU) but the WB decided to give them (and Teen Titans, also intended to conclude with the fourth season) another season just to boost the syndication count to 65 each.

[ToTheNines]

A few things.

Superman: TAS was awesome, way better than what I remembered.

And I wish they would make a Green Lantern show, the fact that everyone seems to know John at the beginning of JL and Hal Jordan showing up in JLU makes me wanna get into their history.

I also pray that they surprise us with a "Near Apocalypse of 09" movie... they mentioned it a few times and it involves Ra's Al Ghul raising hell, so I'm down.

[gobo]

Ra's Al Ghul
Which is the orthodox pronunciation: DCAU's 'raiche' or Batman Begins more phonetical 'rahz'?

[Blade Raider]

Which is the orthodox pronunciation: DCAU's 'raiche' or Batman Begins more phonetical 'rahz'?
I've always wondered that. I like the TAS way myself.

[IamtheKnight]

What DC universe DVD is being made now?

[Jester]

I've always wondered that. I like the TAS way myself.
Heck, doesn't Terry use "Rahz" in one episode only to have Talia (Ra's in disguise) correct him, saying "Raysh"? :P

[Leo656]

Denny O'Neil always says it "Raysh", and I think he co-created the character with Neal Adams, so it's probably the correct way. That said, I still prefer the Batman Begins way because it's just easier.

Now, is Mxyzptlk pronounced "Mix-yez-pittle-ick", or "Mix-pit-ulk"?

[The Terror of Death]

What DC universe DVD is being made now?

Wonder Woman.

[Leo656]

Wonder Woman.

Thanks, I forgot about that part. I do try not to ignore people, but eh, whattyagonnado....

[LeoNerdo]

Now, is Mxyzptlk pronounced "Mix-yez-pittle-ick", or "Mix-pit-ulk"?

All I know is that Paul Dini is in love w/ the character and on the video commentary he was a part of on the S:TAS episode, Mxyzpixilated he says over and over that it's "Mix-yez-pittle-ick". Apparently Superfriends used to say Mixxle-Plik or something.

hooray for 100 posts :P

[ToTheNines]

What DC universe DVD is being made now?

Wonder Woman comes out next month, the one being made right now is Green Lantern. The only thing I'm sure of about is that Hal Jordan's gonna be in it.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

In the past month and a half I got to see Superman TAS all the way through. I never bothered too much with Superman but found I really was able to get into it. I do however love The Justice League and am getting to see all the eppys in order right now. I used to catch them randomly on CN. I have a new found love for characters like Hawkgirl and the Flash. Batman and superman's interactions cracks me up too

[Leo656]

The Superman cartoon was great, every bit as good as good as the Batman one. Batman fans will claim superiority, but bullsh*t, each show was a phenomenal version of each character's mythos. The Batman animated series ran longer, which was the main plus there. But in the end we got that kick-ass Justice League show, which I still cry about a little bit now that it's gone...

[Tinuvielsdreams]

The Superman cartoon was great, every bit as good as good as the Batman one. Batman fans will claim superiority, but bullsh*t, each show was a phenomenal version of each character's mythos. The Batman animated series ran longer, which was the main plus there. But in the end we got that kick-ass Justice League show, which I still cry about a little bit now that it's gone...

Yes I love JL when I caught it on CN and now I love it even more on DVD. I wish we could have seen much much more.

I am excited for the Wonder Woman animated feature that is coming out

[cup-mikey-gertha]

Teen Titans is one quality cartoon. I do hope they'll come up with The Titans version soon. Have to see Nightwing in weekly action. <thump thump thump>

:P

[AquaParade]

Just decided to give this show another chance based on my love of B:TAS....

Can a few of you guys reccomend some episodes to me? Maybe a top five list, or must see list?:)

I'd appreciate it.

...Keep in mind, I'm a big Batman fan:D

[ZariusTwo]

Teen Titans is one quality cartoon. I do hope they'll come up with The Titans version soon. Have to see Nightwing in weekly action. <thump thump thump>

:P

So long as they focus on Geoff and Judd's stuff and not Sean McKeever's crap.

[ToTheNines]

Just decided to give this show another chance based on my love of B:TAS....

Can a few of you guys reccomend some episodes to me? Maybe a top five list, or must see list?:)

I'd appreciate it.

...Keep in mind, I'm a big Batman fan:D

TAS:
The Demon's Quest
Two-Face
The Man Who Killed Batman
Heart of Ice
Bullet for Bullock

TNBA:
You Scratch My Back...
Judgement Day
Mad Love
Animal Act
Over the Edge

[AquaParade]

TAS:
The Demon's Quest
Two-Face
The Man Who Killed Batman
Heart of Ice
Bullet for Bullock

TNBA:
You Scratch My Back...
Judgement Day
Mad Love
Animal Act
Over the Edge

Totally meant Justice Leage....my bad. Thanks though

[Brodie]

Oh man, theres really great episodes of Justice League...and JL Unlimited. On of the season finales of JLU is really great, "Epilogue."

Other good episodes:
The Terror Beyond (based on Lovecraft's Cthulhu story)
Injustice for All
For the Man Who Has Everything
Task Force X
Flashpoint
Panic in the Sky
Divided We Fall
Great Brain Robbery is really funny, and well acted.
Destroyer

[Jester]

Oh man, theres really great episodes of Justice League...and JL Unlimited. On of the season finales of JLU is really great, "Epilogue."

Other good episodes:
Great Brain Robbery is really funny, and well acted.

Not that I disagree with the rest of the list, I just wanna comment on these 2 specifically. Epilogue is a great episode, but would do better after watching Batman Beyond first, since it's almost a wrap up of the whole DCAU.

As for Great Brain Robbery, having Clancy Brown playing Flash in Lex's body...comic gold...
My favorite line is when one of the other Legion of Doom members sees Lex leaving the bathroom and asks if he's gonna wash his hands and Lex/Flash with out missing a beat says, "No...'cause I'm EVIL!"

[ToTheNines]

Justice League:
Twilight
Wild Cards
Star Crossed
Hereafter
Injustice For All

JLU:
For The Man Who Has Everything
Great Brain Robbery
Divided We Fall
The Once and Future Thing
Flash and Substance

Those were hard to pick, considering how good the show is and the fact that most of them aren't that great if you don't know what's going on from previous episodes.

"Comfort and Joy" (the Christmas episode) is a great stand alone.

[sdp]

I love the DCAU.

Batman Beyond is just simply amazing.


Anyways two series that don't normally get too much love:

Zeta Project, set in the BB world, this is a pretty good show actually.

Static Shock, not as good as the rest of the DCAU but a pretty decent superhero show if you ever want to check out a new superhero cartoon. It does have some bad episodes though, and the team up episodes with Batman/Superman/GL/JL are actually really bad and do not represent the cartoon at all. Most people only check out the team up episodes and judge the whole show on that. The only good team up was the BB one.


MOTBW is a pretty good movie too, it doesn't compare to the past DTVs but its still much better than a lot of episodes of the DCAU.


A movie that is never considered:

Braniac Attacks, considered non-canon by most fans this movie is decent, yeah it has some bad stuff but it also has some really great Lois/Superman scenes, better than anything done on STAS. Most of what kills the movie is Luthor is a hybrid of DCAU and the Superman movie Luthors. Also it was great to hear the original Superman voice of STAS again.


And to end this controversial post Teen Titans.


Teen Titans is clearly in DCAU continuity, this is dismissed by fans but theres plenty of quotes from the creators and references to the shows on both their last seasons for it to not be.
I don't even want TT in DCAU continuity, I think it would fit better with The Batman's continuity but its hard to ignore all the evidence.

[ToTheNines]

I think it would fit better with The Batman's continuity but its hard to ignore all the evidence.

What evidence? Even if you do come up with some stuff, that Robin was NOT Dick from the DCAU.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I just had to choose some episode of JL and JLU to show my sister and it was hard to choose

Batman is great in "Injustice for all" and "Wild Cards" which I showed her cause she loves Batman.
I didn't get to show her "starcrossed" but I wanted to because it is important to JLU which is also why I wanted to show her "a better world"

We also watched a New Frontier and the WW movie

I showed her Dark Heart because it shows just how many heroes are actually in JLU
We watched some of the good girl eppys in JLU like Cat and the Canary and Grudge Match.


I think it is safe to say she will want to watch them all now at some point :)

[ToTheNines]

Figured I'd finish my top five lists

Superman:
Legacy
The Demon Reborn
World's Finest
Ghost in the Machine
Bizzaro's World

Batman Beyond:
Out of the Past
April Moon
Eyewitness
Disappearing Inque
Earth Mover

[sdp]

What evidence? Even if you do come up with some stuff, that Robin was NOT Dick from the DCAU.

Michael Rosenbaum voiced Flash on JL and Kid Flash on TT.
TTs Kid Flash costume appears in the Flash museum on JLU
TTs Speedy slightly older (using the same exact TT design which is nothing like the comics) appears on JLU.

All of these were done during the same year of TT S5/JLU S2.
Batman saying "Robin is with the Titans" -note this was done while TT was first starting and they weren't sure just what so this isn't exactly evidence just that at one point had the show been different it would have made sense, we can assume Robin is with a new team of titans regardless of were you stand on the issue.

Theres plenty of quotes from TT being in DCAU continuity, and in one Bruce Timm discusses how they tried playing with different ideas to have a crossover but never got to do it (this is before the above things happened).

Someone who worked on TT, posted on TTG basically saying they figured the best way to deal with it is having TT pre-BTAS and that as the closest they could do to a crossover since they took place at different times.

[Spike Spiegel]

Someone who worked on TT, posted on TTG basically saying they figured the best way to deal with it is having TT pre-BTAS and that as the closest they could do to a crossover since they took place at different times.

I always figured that was the only way it was possible. What eps have explicit visual references (like in the season one finale where Robin is Slade's "apprentice" and they fight on top of the Wayne Enterprises building with a creepy version of the TAS theme music playing)?

[ToTheNines]

Michael Rosenbaum voiced Flash on JL and Kid Flash on TT.
TTs Kid Flash costume appears in the Flash museum on JLU
TTs Speedy slightly older (using the same exact TT design which is nothing like the comics) appears on JLU.

That's all fan wanking.


Batman saying "Robin is with the Titans" -note this was done while TT was first starting and they weren't sure just what so this isn't exactly evidence just that at one point had the show been different it would have made sense, we can assume Robin is with a new team of titans regardless of were you stand on the issue.

Just because there's a TT show dosen't mean the DCAU couldn't have had it's own version of the Titans. And the Robin in question here is Tim, while it's fact that the TT Robin was Dick.


Someone who worked on TT, posted on TTG basically saying they figured the best way to deal with it is having TT pre-BTAS and that as the closest they could do to a crossover since they took place at different times.

Like I said, DCAU Dick was a very different character than TT Dick.

[gobo]

Like I said, DCAU Dick was a very different character than TT Dick.
Other than BTAS Dick having grown a sense of humor, I see no reason to exclude TT from the DCAU. It's just not Timmverse. It kinda seems like you're confusing the two. Other than Dick being more angsty, what solid reasons can you give to say that TT isn't DCAU? BTW, Speedy's character design was intended for JL or JLU before TT 'borrowed' it. Bit o' chrono-distortion there, but otherwise official.

[ToTheNines]

Other than Dick being more angsty, what solid reasons can you give to say that TT isn't DCAU?

It's just too gonzo and futuristic (or modern, atleast) to have happened before Batman TAS.

[ZariusTwo]

Teen Titans is clearly in DCAU continuity, this is dismissed by fans but theres plenty of quotes from the creators and references to the shows on both their last seasons for it to not be.

I don't know who's feeding you that B.S, but Titans ISNT in DCAU continuity and never has been...AND that has also come from creators....noticably executive producer Sam Register and head writer David Slack.

[Spike Spiegel]

I don't know who's feeding you that B.S, but Titans ISNT in DCAU continuity and never has been...AND that has also come from creators....noticably executive producer Sam Register and head writer David Slack.

Show us actual, real quotes from both sides, and let's compare, then. Back up what you're posting, please.

[sdp]

That's all fan wanking.

No, thats the excuse people use to not make it in continuity.

Just because there's a TT show dosen't mean the DCAU couldn't have had it's own version of the Titans. And the Robin in question here is Tim, while it's fact that the TT Robin was Dick.
Shouldn't have posted that, it is not evidence.

At first TT was supposed to be more DCAU related but it took a different turn, that quote was not evidence however it shows at first it was going to take place around that time hence the reference. Since TT took a different approach the quote made no sense except for people who debated TT Robin was Tim.


Like I said, DCAU Dick was a very different character than TT Dick.
DCAU characters were portrayed different through out its entire run and shows. Besides this is a younger Dick and one without Batman, every time Dick is without Batman in the DCAU he is always darker.

Other than BTAS Dick having grown a sense of humor, I see no reason to exclude TT from the DCAU. It's just not Timmverse. It kinda seems like you're confusing the two. Other than Dick being more angsty, what solid reasons can you give to say that TT isn't DCAU? BTW, Speedy's character design was intended for JL or JLU before TT 'borrowed' it. Bit o' chrono-distortion there, but otherwise official.
Nah, Timmverse and DCAU is just two words to describe the same thing.

And no Speedy appeared in the first season of TT back in 2003, JLU wouldn't even exist for a few more years. The design was from Teen Titans. If they didn't mean to have it in continuity they would have had a different Speedy design more DCAU like or more like the comics or Arsenal.


It's just too gonzo and futuristic (or modern, atleast) to have happened before Batman TAS.
Superman TAS/JL/JLU/SS/BB etc are all too futuristic and modern to take place during and slightly after BTAS.

BTAS was designed to look like it was in an older decade, you really think Gotham had black and white TVs while in Superman TAS pretty much was already way beyond OUT technology?


I don't know who's feeding you that B.S, but Titans ISNT in DCAU continuity and never has been...AND that has also come from creators....noticably executive producer Sam Register and head writer David Slack.
Its quotes from interviews from Toon Zone and Titansgo.net that I've read.


Yes at first they said they wanted TT to not be tied to a continuity so they could do whatever they wanted with the characters, but that was very early on in the series.

Now no interview explicitly says that its in continuity, however theres plenty how they've discussed on doing a cross over and how they weren't sure if it would happen since they didn't know how it could work. Which is why we got what we got and not an actual crossovers. They also mentioned at first there was going to be a crossover with JLU and TT one episode in each show each done in their own style.

After TT ended someone from the show posted on Titansgo.net basically how that was indeed the link to both shows.


Most DCAU people hated TT so that is one of the major reasons the general consensus is that it is not in continuity with the DCAU.


And to make some people even more angry in a interview of Legion of Superheroes when asked if it was in DCAU. He answered well it could or it couldn't its up to the fans to decide
:lol:

So that could be DCAU continuity as well. ;)


Its actually a fairly decent show too, it vastly improved during its second season after a mediocre first.

[gobo]

And no Speedy appeared in the first season of TT back in 2003, JLU wouldn't even exist for a few more years. The design was from Teen Titans.
But, he was in the pitch pilot for JL included on a DVD, right? Or maybe it was JLU... I forget.

[ToTheNines]

No, thats the excuse people use to not make it in continuity.

Oh bull sh*t. If you're going by that logic then you're being a fool, since Robin isn't Loren Lester or any of the guys who voiced Tim.

Other than that your arguments are sound, I just disagree.

[Spike Spiegel]

But, he was in the pitch pilot for JL included on a DVD, right? Or maybe it was JLU... I forget.

No, that was Impulse, along with Robin (not sure it was Dick or not) and I think Wonder Girl. I remember seeing it on the JL season one DVD set. The design for Batman they were using was the rim-lit pre TNBA TAS one, circa maybe 1996-1997 or so.