View Full Version : Lionsgate: Pissin me off!
ToTheNines
06-11-2008, 01:28 PM
From Murphy's blog, not a bad post except this part:
1: DVD v.1 of the original cartoon is the most successful of the 9 DVD sets
2: leaning towards spreading out the release of Seasons 8, 9 and 10 as individual DVDs even though there are only 10 episodes per those seasons
3: v.7 to be released in December, 8 in April, the remainder TBD
4: licensee open to the "creative use" of non-season DVD releases to coincide with 25th anniversary shell-ebration
Point 1: I figured that, but had always wondered. I'd like to see how they all sold.
Point 2: S**T, that is going to take sooo fu**ing long, and it's not even 10 episodes a season, IT'S EIGHT!!!!
Point 3: DOUBLE S**T, that is eight mother ****in months... unbelievable. Seriously... what's the twisted logic behind this? Even from their POV they can't possibly imagine that people aren't gonna buy it becaue we just got a season 5-6 months ago... "Hey how about we wait one month for each episode the last season had".
The main reason that this pisses me off is that season 7 is so great! It didn't bother me one bit waiting for seasons 4-6. Personally I haven't been fully satisfied by one of these releases since season 3 wrapped up in DECEMBER 2006!
Point 4: Unless this is the Turtleoid episodes, who gives a ****?!?!?
Spitfire
06-11-2008, 01:49 PM
With any luck one of those 2 extras will be the ones they left off earlier sets.
CyberCubed
06-11-2008, 02:04 PM
I'm just happy they seem to want to continue to release the rest of the series. My big fear was that Lionsgate was just going to stop at one point and not finish all of the seasons. I'm happy to see that's not the case.
I'm assuming the European episodes will be included on the Season 7 set, since there's no mention of them otherwise, but I do hope they finally realize they skipped two episodes.
I can understand why they'd want to release Season 8, 9, and 10 seperately. There's not many more episodes left and Lionsgate wants to make as much money off of the remaining episodes as possible.
I'm also fine with this stuff. Don't mind the seperate releases for the last 3 Seasons, even with the low amount of episodes.
The only thing that's "pissin' me off" as you put it is the same thing others are irritated with -- the skipping of "Once Upon a Time Machine" and the 2-Part "Planet of the Turtloids".
yeah it doesn't sound so bad its mostly good news. In reality none of Lionsgate efforts have been good.
Separating the last seasons is not good news but its nothing like S3 being in 4 volumes. And it does give us more chances for them to include the 3 missing episodes and maybe even turtle tips...
interviews and other extras would be great but I'd rather first get every episode or toy commercials.
We've been waiting so long already waiting more doesn't bother me as much..
I've washed my hands of Lionsgate. I'll get Season 6-10 after they release 'em all. I'll think about breaking the pattern for 7 & 8, but I expect those jerks don't care that they've skipped eps.
Deathknight
06-11-2008, 05:48 PM
Odds are, we probably won't get those skipped episodes because they just don't care. I REALLY don't want to wait until December for season 7 though. Bah, such a long time.
LeoNerdo
06-11-2008, 05:59 PM
this doesnt really bother me. i got season 6 the day it came out and i'm still working through it. plus we'll have at least one more release, maybe two of the 2k3 series between now and then and a new series will be starting. the individual releases dont bother me so much because on all the previous ot releases the price has been right. my guess is that if they do just release season 7 in december the missing episodes will be put on a set together after they finish season 10.
ToTheNines
06-11-2008, 09:20 PM
Wow, you guys seriously don't mind waiting 8 months? I mean it's not like season 6 was a 40 eper... it was only 16... I was through with it in about 2 weeks.
maybe two of the 2k3 series between now and then and a new series will be starting.
Nah dude, the we get Season 2 part 2 in September then we have to wait till January at the earliest for s3p1.
Good news tho: I forget where I heard this (but it was somewhere on the drome) but Germany is getting a full Red Sky (seasons 8-10) release in January 09, and it'll have an English option.
Good news tho: I forget where I heard this (but it was somewhere on the drome) but Germany is getting a full Red Sky (seasons 8-10) release in January 09, and it'll have an English option.
Ermmmm, no... They already have a full 'red sky' set (only in German). The set w/ an English audio option will be the first 25 (I think it was) eps that they are in the process of splicing together with their preexisting dubs of Great Brittain's 'Hero Turtles' edit. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it had to be done eventually. :| You didn't want to pay those shipping prices anyway, trust me.
ToTheNines
06-11-2008, 09:38 PM
Ermmmm, no... They already have a full 'red sky' set (only in German). The set w/ an English audio option will be the first 25 (I think it was) eps that they are in the process of splicing together with their preexisting dubs of Great Brittain's 'Hero Turtles' edit. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it had to be done eventually. :| You didn't want to pay those shipping prices anyway, trust me.
But why would they do that?
For the same reason Funimation did that with DBZ. But, unlike that example, Germany has no Turtles 'toon DVDs except for those last 24 eps of the series. And, VHS is equally dead over there as it is here. So, German fans who don't understand English will be able to see the eps they only ever saw edited in their visually-unedited splendor. BTW, you know Germany's economy is richer than ours, yeah?
Deathknight
06-11-2008, 10:15 PM
Yeah, also it would be kind of annoying to try and play PAL dvds. I could play it on my computer but I'd much rather watch it on my TV. Also, I would definitely not want the TMHT version. They butchered episodes to death. And, for german TMHT memories... http://www.geocities.com/taojam2000/Tmntger.swf
Sage Ninja
06-12-2008, 01:04 AM
what do you mean they butched therm to death? Was alot of content cut out besides Mikey's chucks usage?
hudemx
06-12-2008, 07:14 AM
The DVDSet that will be release in January in Germany will contain the first 25 Episodes complettly Uncut (US Footage use) and will contain english and german Audio. The german audio is Cut (because it's from the cutted UK TMHT Version) for those seen which aren't available in german there will be the english audio with german subs.
Maybe there will be a Rerelease of the last 24 Episodes with english Audio, but only if the new Set is more successful than the one that was released one year ago!
So if there is someone from the UK and want some Turtles DVDs, you can get the New Set. (which will help to get more Turtles DVDs in Germany)
Drtooth
06-12-2008, 07:16 AM
The only thing that's "pissin' me off" as you put it is the same thing others are irritated with -- the skipping of "Once Upon a Time Machine" and the 2-Part "Planet of the Turtloids".
I still don't understand the logic behind that one, myself. I mean, come on. Add them in as a bonus feature or something.
I see the point of people wanting to have the entire final episodes collected, but I don't see what's so wrong about them splitting them up into single seasons. I think the wait is rediculous, but no more redeculous than the year long wait between v1 and v2.
But I agree, the only trhing that would have pissed me off would have been if they released a couple disks, then put the rest of the series in mothballs for no one to ever see them again. Frankly, they're pissing me off about still holding the rights to the first 13 episodes of Dragon Ball, so Funimation can never ever release the original series like they did with Dragon Ball z.
raphdude
06-12-2008, 03:34 PM
Just curious, has anyone heard any rumors about season 7 yet from Lionsgate. I hope they will release a complete set with all the European episodes. I thought their Season 4 package was rather nice.:)
Just curious, has anyone heard any rumors about season 7 yet from Lionsgate. I hope they will release a complete set with all the European episodes. I thought their Season 4 package was rather nice.:)
From post #1 of this thread:
From Murphy's blog, not a bad post except this part:
1: DVD v.1 of the original cartoon is the most successful of the 9 DVD sets
2: leaning towards spreading out the release of Seasons 8, 9 and 10 as individual DVDs even though there are only 10 episodes per those seasons
3: v.7 to be released in December, 8 in April, the remainder TBD
4: licensee open to the "creative use" of non-season DVD releases to coincide with 25th anniversary shell-ebration
Reading is a useful technique. ^_^ Give it a try sometime.
Deathknight
06-12-2008, 10:40 PM
what do you mean they butched therm to death? Was alot of content cut out besides Mikey's chucks usage?
Mostly stuff with Mikey's chucks was cut but there were other small things like Rex-1 breaking Donny's bo in half in New York's Shiniest that were cut. I haven't seen too many UK versions of the episodes though.
ToTheNines
06-13-2008, 07:52 AM
Mostly stuff with Mikey's chucks was cut but there were other small things like Rex-1 breaking Donny's bo in half in New York's Shiniest that were cut. I haven't seen too many UK versions of the episodes though.
Why are they such whimps? There is nothing badass about breaking a stick.
But, that was his favorite bo. :(
And, I just made myself cringe. >_<
ToTheNines
06-13-2008, 03:54 PM
But, that was his favorite bo. :(
And, I just made myself cringe. >_<
*Crickets*
Keep tryin :P
VaughnMichael
06-13-2008, 04:29 PM
Honestly I really don't care just as long as everything gets released.
ToTheNines
06-13-2008, 06:14 PM
Wow, I shoulda made poll asking if 8 months is too long. To you guys that don't have a problem with this: Why do you think Lionsgate is taking this much time? (Putrescent, I remember you saying that you have most all of the later episodes recorded, so you don't count :P)
VaughnMichael
06-13-2008, 06:36 PM
Wow, I shoulda made poll asking if 8 months is too long. To you guys that don't have a problem with this: Why do you think Lionsgate is taking this much time? (Putrescent, I remember you saying that you have most all of the later episodes recorded, so you don't count :P)
Gee thanks! I'd like to get rid of my vhs tapes lol :P
Oh and yeah I have every red sky episode and next mutation episode on tape.
Fiendishglow
06-16-2008, 08:51 PM
Point 3: DOUBLE S**T, that is eight mother ****in months... unbelievable. Seriously... what's the twisted logic behind this? Even from their POV they can't possibly imagine that people aren't gonna buy it becaue we just got a season 5-6 months ago... "Hey how about we wait one month for each episode the last season had".
This is common practice. The reason season sets are spread out so far apart is to give the consumer time to go out and make the purchase and not have to worry about falling behind.
You have to remember that not everyone is like you (assuming you go out first day and get the DVD). Some people it takes 4-8 months to pick up the next volume after it's release date.
If you released a new DVD every 3 months some people would fall behind and stop buying because they don't see the catching up as something that is worth their time.
We're still getting two sets a year, which is one more set a year than most series are putting out.
Another thing is, we should all be happy we're getting the episodes at all. Since no one here knows how they're selling it's hard to complain about how much money is put into them. For all we know Lionsgate could barley be making a dime on these, but are still putting them out for the fans. It's hard to see things from their point of view, but that doesn't' mean it doesn't exist.
But for real, boo-hoo. We have to wait until December for season 7... it's better than never getting an official release of season 7, isn't it? I would love brand new art-work, special features out the wazoo, and all the odds and ends that every buyer wants, but if it's not a realistic cost for Lionsgate can you really blame them for not going that extra mile? They're out to make money, just like every business.
Come on people, this is sales 101.
ToTheNines
06-17-2008, 08:43 PM
If you released a new DVD every 3 months some people would fall behind and stop buying because they don't see the catching up as something that is worth their time.
Basically, I disagree with that 100 percent.
turkishproverb
06-17-2008, 10:13 PM
Basically, I disagree with that 100 percent.
I gotta take the opportunity to say it: I haven't bought season 6 yet. Higher priorities on my geekbuying list.
I'll get to it sometime before season 7. If I saw them coming out every 3 months, I'd assume a series boxed set was coming out and wait for it.
Drtooth
06-18-2008, 07:37 AM
Basically, I disagree with that 100 percent.
I'm going half way here. I agree and disagree with that for the same reason...
Fans with more money will buy them all when they come out, and fans with less money would buy them all eventually, and fans with the least amount of money would indefinately fall behind.
I don't see how 2 a year is so terrible. I mean, it took 2 years between the Muppet Show season 1 and Season 2 (for multiple reasons). If that's not a rediculously long wait, I don't know what is. But then again, Season 3 came out in May, instead of August this year....
Though I agree they should just put the last seasons together in one box, or dual seasons in a 2 disk collection.
But they SHOULD do something about the Once Upon a Time machine and Planet of the Turtleoids nonsense.
ToTheNines
06-18-2008, 06:33 PM
I don't see how 2 a year is so terrible. I mean, it took 2 years between the Muppet Show season 1 and Season 2 (for multiple reasons). If that's not a rediculously long wait, I don't know what is. But then again, Season 3 came out in May, instead of August this year....
To be honest it's not that awful, I have other things to hold me down while waiting on TMNT stuff but all 100+ episodes of Batman: TAS were released in 1.5 years, Beyond's 3 seasons were all released in one year and all 5 seasons of Justice League/JLU were released within a year.
I know DCAU get's better treatment, but still... see what's possible?
turkishproverb
06-19-2008, 01:59 PM
To be honest it's not that awful, I have other things to hold me down while waiting on TMNT stuff but all 100+ episodes of Batman: TAS were released in 1.5 years, Beyond's 3 seasons were all released in one year and all 5 seasons of Justice League/JLU were released within a year.
I know DCAU get's better treatment, but still... see what's possible?
Batman's episodes are drastically out of order. Trust me, I have the boxed set. Its a bad example.
Drtooth
06-19-2008, 07:23 PM
I know DCAU get's better treatment, but still... see what's possible?
Other than the "Drastically out of order" stuff, DCAU is WB's bread and butter. Without them, Scooby-Doo and the animation fan classic releases, they have NOTHING.
ToTheNines
06-19-2008, 07:42 PM
Batman's episodes are drastically out of order. Trust me, I have the boxed set. Its a bad example.
They're out of airdate order, but I'm pretty sure they're in production order.
Other than the "Drastically out of order" stuff, DCAU is WB's bread and butter. Without them, Scooby-Doo and the animation fan classic releases, they have NOTHING.
You're missing my point brother, I was just demonstrating how it is possible to sell DVD's with out you're customers having 2 kids and going grey between each release.
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